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gocuse3
Footballguy
My guess would be having the draft early. They need new faces on raw and with Rhonda interfering in the smack down match last night that would make some sense. Unless the new raw GM is someone huge like rock or hogan but I’m not even sure anyone cares about hogan anymore
Keith R
The Don
How early? Tonight is way too soon with no build. No point on XMas Eve or NYE, or opposite the NCAA Title game for that matter. After that, ok but could take some drama out of the Rumble.
There are reasons the Draft takes place post-WM.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I thought the Show was balls. Other then the main event nothing was great or even good. Dean/Seth should've been a ladder match, The Braun thing didn't make sense, disappointed in Bryan/Styles, Ronda would've had to kick her own ### last night to get NIA somewhat over and NIA botched a power bomb she's lucky she didn't concuss Ronda there, The Guitar on a pole match really made zero sense, The triple threat Tag was ok but was hoping USO's won. I was watching in and out as the Eagles game was on but saw some of the matches and missed a few. Overall the PPV could've been missed and you wouldn't have missed a thingHow can that be?Roman is nowhere in sight...
DJackson10
Footballguy
It should've been a ladder match between those two. Now theres reports Vince is mad with both of them. Really? Be pissed at your ####### writers and people who produce the show nd don't put your talent in such a bad spot
DJackson10
Footballguy
I only heard but very small rumors of the Authority being brought back or Vince announces himself as GM.
A draft won't do anything. They need to fire the writers and bring in actual wrestling writers. I'd be fine with not having a brand split make one title the WWE Title that AJ held for over a year, US Title, one set of Tag titles and the IC title. Work it back RAW and Smackdown like they did when they first had SD. I think WWE would benefit from having some stables and managers like they use too and stables in a similar fashion as NJPW
With Hunter high on Balor if the Authority does come back I'd honestly put Gallows and Anderson with him and AJ and form the Balor club and have them backed by Hunter. Bring up Undisputed to align them with them. You can have a steady boil and at the end Balor Club eventually turns on Hunter and the Authority. Their first move would be attacking Lesnar and Hunter has him stripped of the belt and fired to write Brock off. Let Brock just do MMA because he's hardly ever here anyway.
I'd push Drew McIntyre to the moon and make him what he was suppose to be when he first came to WWE as the Chosen One. I'd maybe align Sanity with him for another Stable
I'd throw the US Belt on Andrade Cien Almas and if Fenix and Penta come in align them with him as he feuds with Rey who in the end aligns himself with the 3 to form an all Mexican stable where Rey becomes more of the manager speaker who puts the other 3 over but still wrestles.
I'd keep going with the Four Horsewomen thing but we need a total redo of Sasha and Bailey. To do this I'd have Dukes, Safrin and Bazyler come up and help Ronda win matches. First Ronda isn't all about it but Becky who becomes more of the ANit hero Stone Cold Type role her and Flair align themselves from differences and go after Ronda. The others Ronda's Four women come in and stop it. Bailey and Sasha star winning matches and Safrin and Dukes start attack them. You build it up the attacks on each side till Ronda finally aligns herself with her girls and turns heel. They then attack Sasha and Bailey when out of No where Flair and Lynch come to their add. You could have Ronda and Becky fighting for the Women's title at summerSlam and then have a match at Survivor Series. Winner keeps the Four Horsewomen name loser can never use it again.
I'd also bring up ALiestar Black and have him retire Taker at Mania. More of a passing of the torch here as I think Blacks character can be similar to Takers in away.
The Tag teams need a total rebuild. I'd have the titles on the USOs and break up New Day but VKM won't do it because of the merch sails they bring in. Woods needs.a push for the US title. Kofi can go to 205 live. Brig up War Machine (Yes I know it's War Raiders but they'll always be War Machine to me), Heavy Machinery and Burch and Lorcanin. The Revival needs a big time push here too. Throw EY and Dane in there too.
Have Dean and Seth fighting over the IC belt and Bring in Dillinger, Big E, Rusev and Zayn into the fold for it as well as Adam Cole
As for the WWE title with Hunter backing Finn finally gets his push finally and deserving Title run. He'd face Nakamura for the vacated belt. throw Braun in there with Bryan, Styles, KO, and Drew
I'd form WWE's version of the Beautiful People here with Royce and Billie Kay and adding Mandy Rose. Push Sonya as a singles and I think her and Becky could have a really good match.
Have Nikki Cross in the running facing Asuka for the belt.
These are just a few ideas off the top of my head. Are they bulletproof? Absolutely not These are just ideas that have come to me while typing this and most are far better then what WWE gives us weekly. You can definitely change some of this to fit better in storylines and all though
DJackson10
Footballguy
here's something else now
do not expect a new GM named, hearing Matt Hardy is in the mix but not decided unless from now until 8 they change their mind for the 6th time today. Yes script has changed 6 times today...
coyote5
Footballguy
Weird, that was a great match. Then again, hard to give too much credence to your opinion when you start out saying how bad the PPV was, and then finish by admitting you only watched it in pieces. I mean, it's widely being viewed as one of if not the best PPV of the year so...
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hagmania
Footballguy
Welp, the first 25 minutes have given me hope. As I watch the rest can't wait for it all to be dashed again.
And honestly, hats off to Corbin for his character work. I caught a lot of clips with him featured throughout the past few months; it might not have been the right call to thrust him forward so frequently, but he really did put all he could into it.
And honestly, hats off to Corbin for his character work. I caught a lot of clips with him featured throughout the past few months; it might not have been the right call to thrust him forward so frequently, but he really did put all he could into it.
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Even though he got beat on PPV, to see him take an absolute ###-whipping last night seemed oddly cathartic for me. You could tell the crowd was hot to see it as they were popping hard.
Yet, we got yet another iteration of Lashley/Elias. Egad, make it stop already!!!
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Peak
Footballguy
Didn't get last night's show at all.
"We're gonna make changes! You folks deserve it!"
Then they turn arouind and show the same dumb matches over and over.
Lashley/Elias...no thanks.
Dean/Seth....yawn
Lineup all the women and winner gets a shot at the title....been there, done that
Nothing new. Nothing entertaining. just rehashed crap. Now WWE has 2 weeks to try to make something good appear in 2019.
"We're gonna make changes! You folks deserve it!"
Then they turn arouind and show the same dumb matches over and over.
Lashley/Elias...no thanks.
Dean/Seth....yawn
Lineup all the women and winner gets a shot at the title....been there, done that
Nothing new. Nothing entertaining. just rehashed crap. Now WWE has 2 weeks to try to make something good appear in 2019.
DJackson10
Footballguy
It was a pretty terrible PPV from the start. I went back and rewatched a lot of it. The only people regarding it as anything great are mostly WWE marks and those in the industry trying to suck up to get hired by them. There wasn't much build, Rollins/Ambrose should've been a ladder match and the build was lackluster, The Braun/Corbin thing made Braun look weak (I get putting him on but really should've just kept him off and put in Bray or someone. Bryan/Styles was more so disappointing because both can put on a way better match. The I liked the Tag Triple threat match, NIA almost killed Ronda with a Powerbomb and I'm shocked Ronda isn't concussed and there was no point to the match other then piss fans off about Nia, Hey Vince!!! People aren't booing Nia just because she hurt my future wife. It's because she legit sucks and dangerous in the ring. You shouldn't award people for sucking. Natalya vs Ruby Riot I could care less and Ruby should've won by putting Natty through her father. No one really gives a #### about the MMC. Elias/Lashley stipulation made zero sense, The Cruiserweight match was very good and the Women's Triple Threat TLC was the best match on the card. This PPV was really nothing special. And if people are saying this was one of the better PPV's of the year they have incredible low expectations.coyote5 said:
DJackson10
Footballguy
It was basically " we acknowledge" RAW has sucked but really this is what we are gonna do. I'm gonna give it till RR and see what changes because doing anything major before the holiday season ends is just dumb, as it won't get the ratings it should. Zero Point in Natty going for the title unless this is more of a retirement type send off soon. She's 36 and theres younger talent who needs to be put over. For her era she was one of the more talented women when she started but WWE is pushing her too late in her career. Ruby should be going over Natty. Natty and Mickie need to be there to put over the other women on the roster.
The whole McMahon coming on RAW was nothing more then a hey lets see if we can boast the ratings. It suckered people in for sure but it won't be enough to keep it. The WOmen's gauntlet was nothing more then "we need to waste an hour"
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Yeah, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it was a work.
They didn't mean a thing they said. Everyone sees thru it, that segment getting absolutely ripped everywhere online today.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
My favorite reviews are the "this wasn't good because I would have booked it another way" reviews, tbh.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Hey @Tom Servo you want some more rumors? This is from today
"coming off what happened.last night and what will be recorded next week I can confirm the reset bottom will be in full effect first show of 2019. Wwe knows these last two shows of the year rate the lowest which they will again so. They pretty much wrote off to the garbage the last two shows. All the new stars will show up come the first show with the exception of Lars. He will debut in the rumble for his first Match."
"coming off what happened.last night and what will be recorded next week I can confirm the reset bottom will be in full effect first show of 2019. Wwe knows these last two shows of the year rate the lowest which they will again so. They pretty much wrote off to the garbage the last two shows. All the new stars will show up come the first show with the exception of Lars. He will debut in the rumble for his first Match."
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DJackson10
Footballguy
My favorite reviews are WWE marks who won't complain about anything about the show.
hagmania
Footballguy
I think you have to give this some time. They are trying up loose ends between now and 2019. Obviously the build to Mania might do some interesting stuff, let's see how they do on the PPV after.
Tyler Breeze answered an IC open challenge and The Revival got a clean win. The seeds are there. I hope I'm not just getting hopelessly optimistic. No one really wants the programming to suck, just give it a chance imo.
They lost their guy. Roman was the show. Argue what you will about the wisdom of it, but facts are facts. Recovering from the hole Roman left to fill it with credible stars (and it was huge) is going to take some time. They did it with the women's side; let's see if they can do it with the men's.
Tyler Breeze answered an IC open challenge and The Revival got a clean win. The seeds are there. I hope I'm not just getting hopelessly optimistic. No one really wants the programming to suck, just give it a chance imo.
They lost their guy. Roman was the show. Argue what you will about the wisdom of it, but facts are facts. Recovering from the hole Roman left to fill it with credible stars (and it was huge) is going to take some time. They did it with the women's side; let's see if they can do it with the men's.
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DJackson10
Footballguy
Thats WWE's fault big time. You can't build a whole Company based off of one guy. There's former writers I know and my sources know who said they went to Vince With Ideas and if he thought it would get someone over and take some of the momentum off Roman it was immediately thrown to the side. WWE also ####s on any talent that gets over on their own. Daniel Bryan WWE not being okayed to wrestle again. Breaking up RUsev Day, they kept Tye Off TV because of the 10 chants and then got lucky when he got hot. There's just so many instances of that. This is the problem when you try shove people down their throats. Plus so many people are leaving and watching other wrestling content. Impact has gotten a lot better with Impact, you got the ROH/NJPW streaming services and people aren't spending the big money for RAWs and SDlIVE and PPVs and going to Indie shows for much cheaper that have been more entertaining. WWE hasn't built any new starts like they use too. And anyone who gets over they don't want to they end up ####ting on later.
And as for your initial part. I never said I wouldn't give it a chance. I figured nothing big will happen till after the holidays which seems like whats going to happen. I just didn't like the Corbin Segment as it was a rehash of TLC. The Guantlet match was more of a "Hey whats something we can fill and waste an hour on?" type deal. I liked Breeze in the challenge and the Rival Winning clean but overall RAW was just boring. I didn't watch most of the gauntlet and went to MNF instead.
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hagmania
Footballguy
I don't really disagree with much you've said @DJackson10. Just explains why any true change is going to be a process.
I think we can make a pretty good judgment as soon as the PPV after Mania, and certainly by Summerslam. I liked tidbits of what I saw; I hope the tidbits gain momentum and snowball toward the positive.
Something as simple as getting rid of the mandatory rematch clause seems really smart. They can grant a rematch if the story and response warrants it, but don't have to drag on a bad feud with a mandatory rematch if they just want to move on.
I think we can make a pretty good judgment as soon as the PPV after Mania, and certainly by Summerslam. I liked tidbits of what I saw; I hope the tidbits gain momentum and snowball toward the positive.
Something as simple as getting rid of the mandatory rematch clause seems really smart. They can grant a rematch if the story and response warrants it, but don't have to drag on a bad feud with a mandatory rematch if they just want to move on.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I actually liked the clause but WWE has for the past decade only used the rules when they want to or it helps them. For example the 30 days I believe defend the title clause. When's the last time Brock defended the Universal title in 30 days? I remember when they had the champ coming out first in title matches instead of second.
hagmania
Footballguy
Note: I am out shopping, haven't watched SDL.
If not apparent by now, I disagreed with Meltzer and Alvarez about the show. But I do agree with Big Dave about one thing: the call-ups announced thus far are a little bit worrisome. Dozovic is a dump truck full of charisma, EC3 is a solid guy ready for TV, but it does seem like they were all called up based on looks. Dave is right about being over: the only true way to judge if someone is going to be over is not looks or talent or promos but simply, "are they over?"
If not apparent by now, I disagreed with Meltzer and Alvarez about the show. But I do agree with Big Dave about one thing: the call-ups announced thus far are a little bit worrisome. Dozovic is a dump truck full of charisma, EC3 is a solid guy ready for TV, but it does seem like they were all called up based on looks. Dave is right about being over: the only true way to judge if someone is going to be over is not looks or talent or promos but simply, "are they over?"
DJackson10
Footballguy
Problem is we know what Vince does to the NXT talent. I'd have higher hopes if Hunter was in charge already. THere's already been reports of NXT Talent not wanting to be called up and Finn Balor even wanting to stay in NXT
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
SlaX
Footballguy
I'd rather hear complaints from people who have ideas of their own rather than people to complain just to complain.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Sumie Sakai is 46 and became the first Women of Honor champion back in April and held it until she was defeated by Kelly Klein last Friday. Just saying...
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
DJackson10
Footballguy
And what happened after he got hurt and had to relinquish it? Yeah he hasn't sniffed a shot and he never got a redo besides against your BF in a BS matchJB Breakfast Club said:
DJackson10
Footballguy
I have no issue with that as they are just building the division. She wasn't a long term option for it. Give it to someone with pedigree first .Tom Servo said:Sumie Sakai is 46 and became the first Women of Honor champion back in April and held it until she was defeated by Kelly Klein last Friday. Just saying...
DJackson10
Footballguy
Also here's some new infoTom Servo said:
DJackson10
Footballguy
Also Rusev beat Nakamura for the US belt at the Tapings for the Christmas SDLIVE and WWE Live tweeted it 
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
If they don't some schmuck in the audience will. May as well beat em to the punch.Also Rusev beat Nakamura for the US belt at the Tapings for the Christmas SDLIVE and WWE Live tweeted it
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
Roman ain't that good dude. He's a decent Wrestler but if he were healthy and left WWE like AJ Styles said about him and Cena AJ or Finn could find work on the Indies where Roman or Cena would be out of wrestling. Finn is good enough actually better to beat Roman.
SlaX
Footballguy
This was normal back when they'd tape every other Raw. It didn't hurt the product. In fact, there's one particular World title change that's pretty memorable that happened on a pre-taped Raw. That'll put butts in the seats!
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Tony Schiavone and Eric Bischoff!
Peak
Footballguy
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
SlaX
Footballguy
Funny thing is that was the same night.
Nash should've booked that match better... maybe taking a page from his clique brothers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVPe5VPLCac
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
hagmania
Footballguy
The extra programming on the network this week sounds faaaaaaaaantastic:
Fashion Files: Cold Case Unit
The Club presents Botch Club
Bo Dallas with a cooking show
This is what I want with the network, but these things are probably only able to happen because of the break for the holidays.
Fashion Files: Cold Case Unit
The Club presents Botch Club
Bo Dallas with a cooking show
This is what I want with the network, but these things are probably only able to happen because of the break for the holidays.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
DJackson10
Footballguy
The internet wasn't as huge back then though. There was dirt sheets and all but no social media like twitter Facebook, myspace/etc yet. Plus people actually watched the product religiously.
DJackson10
Footballguy
It was good and funny. Both Anderson/Gallows are really funny guys however WWE is going after Matt and Botchmania these days. Matt was pulling a few strings getting by Copyright infringements to upload videos. Then recently WWE started going after his channel. WWE has been getting really petty with people.
SlaX
Footballguy
Everyone I knew was on the internet in some form, even back then. AOL was still a pretty major thing too. But I think the important thing is that they were putting out a product that people were willing to watch, even if they already knew the results.
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DJackson10
Footballguy
Yes but news didn't travel as fast and not everyone had a cellphone to text a quick "update" to someone. Today you can spread news around the world at lightening pace. When Punk left WWE within 20 mins most of the IWC had already heard about it. Same with sports. I remember it use to take hours to see updates on possible player movements or trades and now within minutes we are getting who's involved in a trade and to where. You also had dial up so people couldn't spend hours at a time online and it was a lot slower
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