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Bogart said:
So, who is the first guy from AEW to jump ship and go to WWE? Someone has to take the giant bag of cash, right?
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There will be no giant bags of cash thrown about until a sale is complete. I'd be curious to see though how loyal a guy like MJF would be if WWE came knocking with a big check.

He switches for nothing more than the bag, and he plays that up, would make him an instant mega heel after the first appearance or two and everyone calms back down. I've always seen a lot of HHH in MJF.

 
WWE's plans for Adam Cole show how out of touch Vince is.

The fact that Cole never was called up to Raw or SmackDown despite being in the WWE system for years shows that Vince McMahon didn’t understand the value Cole brings to the table as a professional wrestler. Then there’s this apparent plan for Cole to be more of a manager than a wrestler on the main roster. None of Cole’s stellar work in NXT mattered one bit, because Vince McMahon’s predispositions about a wrestler’s looks are so hilariously antiquated. More than anything else, this plan for Cole is a reflection on just how out of touch Vince McMahon is with today’s pro wrestling. And it shows that Mick Foley was right on the money about WWE’s big problem.

 
Thunderlips said:
Bryan Danielson just challenged Kenny Omega to a match to which he was told "that's not how things work here".  AEW needs to get a guy in there (has to be former WWE) who runs the gimmick of how much better wrestling was "Up North" and how AEW is just a glorified minor league and that they need to do things in AEW like they do in other Federations.  That crowd would eat that schtick up.  
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I know a perfect guy for that but he has a viking hair stye. Rhymes with LRock Bresner 

 
Tom Servo said:
I swear WWE-only marks are terrible.  I gotta believe all of these marks came to wrestling post 2001 and they've never known anything but the E.
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Most of these marks from what I've seen are from India and the Middle East and little kids who don't know what a walkman is. 

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
WWE main roster plan for Adam Cole

Heel manager for Keith Lee.

They couldn't at least come up with angle of him being Michael's illegitimate son? 
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I saw the link came from Ringside news when I saw that today so I took it with a grain of salt. Was this reported by someone else and they just reported what was said though? If so WWE is in more trouble then we think 

 
Bogart said:
Agreed, but doesn't it also have to be someone that is super over? WWE crowds aren't going to care that a Wardlow shows up.

I would think that maybe an MJF eventually would want to make that jump. Not sure who else. A Moxley jump to reform the Shield would be fun, but he seems pretty happy never to see Vince again. Of course wouldn't put it past Jericho to make another run up North either.
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Moxley will never go back there as long as a McMahon is in charge. I doubt MJF goes as him and Codi are great friends. Hobbs maybe or Wardlow but no one big. I heard a lot of guys won't even consider WWE if they are offered just because of everything right now. Only guys who would go are those who care only about the money and nothing else 

 
Tom Servo said:
WWE's plans for Adam Cole show how out of touch Vince is.

The fact that Cole never was called up to Raw or SmackDown despite being in the WWE system for years shows that Vince McMahon didn’t understand the value Cole brings to the table as a professional wrestler. Then there’s this apparent plan for Cole to be more of a manager than a wrestler on the main roster. None of Cole’s stellar work in NXT mattered one bit, because Vince McMahon’s predispositions about a wrestler’s looks are so hilariously antiquated. More than anything else, this plan for Cole is a reflection on just how out of touch Vince McMahon is with today’s pro wrestling. And it shows that Mick Foley was right on the money about WWE’s big problem.
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WWE producers also aren't great. Punk in an interview said most are 65 and over, racist and out of touch with todays wrestling and was more then ok with them not getting him. As he didn't want people like that on his side. 

I actually talked about WWE's problems maybe 2 yrs ago here. I said you might see a few of the major problems pop up once in awhile but eventually if some other promotion comes along and gets hot then WWE's problems would be greatly exposed. Well guess what? That promotion is here and the problems are showing big time. Vince is scrambling and wondering WTF why people don't like my product anymore. 

 
I love the AEW non-scripted commentary.  Tony with a "he is just an old guy yelling at the clouds" and JR with a reference to the Kenny Rogers song "Ruby Don't Take Your Love to Town", odds are only a few people even know that song.  Add in Taz being Taz and it is gold

 
Donning of a New Age said:
Johnny K9 became Bruiser Bedlam and then became a monster. 
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Still coming up clueless here.  I've been watching wrestling for near 38 years and this name rings no bells.  Amazing.

 
Tom Servo said:
Still coming up clueless here.  I've been watching wrestling for near 38 years and this name rings no bells.  Amazing.
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Looks like unless you followed Smokey Mountain Wrestling religiously or a couple random indies, you wouldn't know the guy. 

 
Dear god some may call me a nerd or mark for Bullet Club for this but it aggravates me when people people make assumptions on stuff just because people were apart of something before as well as not doing their research. I came about watching and interest in NJPW shortly before Styles debuted and Bullet Club became one of my favorite stables. I knew of Price Devitt AKA Finn Balor so I went back and got what I could on that, did free steams of NJPW shows till NJPWWorld came about. I was drawn to BC because of the cool characters involved and reminding me of a NWO and it helped that one of my favorite Wrestler Scott Hall Son was involved with the group at the time too. 

So a Bullet Club Fan Page on Facebook which is run very well posted a Photo with Adam Cole and all the members of The Elite with the Caption "Elite Complete" Ok cool pic and all but The Good Brothers were never Elite. They left the group before that became a thing and when Omega started to get huge. Left at the sometime Omega and the Bucks "fired AJ Styles". Karl Anderson also has say with Finn Balor AKA Price Devitt according to Tama Tonga (Still in the group part of GOD) in an interview a year and a half back now he stated in I believe Sports Illustrated. They agree to any changes like members coming and going etc still to an extent. 

Also Codi isn't in he group which he is a part of and Paige despite being fired may turn on Dark Order (Possibilities with Hangman are endless here btw). So it's not complete

2nd Cole's promo mentions the Young Bucks as the great Tag team ever which the Good Brothers seemed a little annoyed by. Also remember AEW lays Subtile Easter eggs for later down the line In a lot of stuff they do. They might slightly tease a match but not even have it for 3-4 months. This is good to great long term booking. I've always been saying I think eventually The Good Brothers turn on the Elite and join back with the OGs. And that line could be that hint hint wink wink by AEW. 

Another thing I saw was the obvious "It's Missing a Villian" "Where's Marty" etc referring to disgrace Wrestler Marty Scrull who was involved in the METOO movement and by US Standards R**ed a girl who was drunk and took advantage of her. NJPW tried to book Marty awhile back and got a ton of backlash when it happened. Plans were scrapped and he's never coming back. Also I posted on here I got word from 3 different people The AEW Exec Elite Members of Omega, Rhoads and the Bucks quietly kicked Marty out of The Elite and COdi called him to tell him he was no longer welcomed around them and to stay away from AEW. This was done so there wouldn't be distractions moving forward with AEW and the Elite Didn't want to be associated with anyone involved in that sort of behavior. This is confirmed with the release of Jimmy Havoc who had allegations against him shortly after and he was eventually let go quietly by AEW. 

Now the last part I don't expect many to know but considering most of the METOO wrestlers haven't been in a ring since I think its safe to Say Marty isn't coming. Considering though the backlash NJPW got for booking the guy and they now work with AEW fans need to use their comprehension skills better here. I'm all for making speculations but at least be intelligent with it. If you are new to the stable and such understandable but I keep seeing the same fans in these groups mention the wrong info time and again. 

The final thing was people mentioning Balor and AJ being Elite. They never were and have routinely during the BC Civil War stated they sided with The OGs in any matter. Bullet Club and the Elite are separate Entities. The Elite is a subgroup of Bullet club who broke away from the main group and have their own stable now. Know your history people. A great way to learn this is through 4 countdown videos by NJPW maybe 10 Mins at most some of them each on the Bullet Club History up to the break up shortly before AEW happened. It's narrated by Kevin Kelly and gives a good briefing on the formation of the Stable, members and whos who prior to joining the Stable and after. Obviously it needs to be severely updated but it's the best place to start if you don't feel like reading stuff and searching. 

And that ends my wrestling rant of the day. 

 
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Here is the best insight into current WWE: my link

They have made more money on their 5 Saudi shows than they have for all combined WrestleMania gates. In just a year or two, they will have made more than WM gates and PPV buys.

The two companies are not competing. One is providing content to a completely different audience, and there is room to grow for AEW.

 
hagmania said:
Here is the best insight into current WWE: my link

They have made more money on their 5 Saudi shows than they have for all combined WrestleMania gates. In just a year or two, they will have made more than WM gates and PPV buys.

The two companies are not competing. One is providing content to a completely different audience, and there is room to grow for AEW.
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That is a great chart. And I think a great indication that there is no better time for Vince and the family to sell than now. Someone like NBC or Disney or Apple sees that chart, sees they can focus on a couple shows a year, and make enough for the entire yearly budget plus some. They will write the check. Keep RAW on the road and maybe move Smackdown to a single location. Wrestlers that need time off the road just go there for 4-6 months. Cut the PPVs down from once a month to the big four, plus a few more random ones. 

Let HHH take 5-6 years off, raise his kids, and then if he gets the itch again to build something, the line forms to the left.

 
Sunday Gravy said:
Man why give this away?  That desperate for viewers?  Would be such a great moment if we were surprised. 
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Pretty sure you nailed the answer with your second sentence. Vince really has nothing up his sleeve right now. And now he has people he has to answer to.

 
Good for Big E. You talk about guys that deserve and can do something with the ball/rocket, I think he's at the top of the list.

Didn't like the storytelling last night. You made Orton look weak, and made Big E look weak because of the fake knee injury for Lashley. But whatever, everyone loves a cash in and a new champion. 

FANTASY BOOKING: I would have Big E hold the title all the way until Mania.

Give me a triple threat of Big E/Lashley/Orton at Extreme Rules. Give me Big E vs. Lashley for the big paycheck at Crown Jewel. At Crown Jewel, I have New Day go over Orton and Riddle to become Tag Champs, putting all the major belts for RAW on New Day. This leads to New Day vs. Bloodline at Survivor Series. One of the Usos can eat the pin in a massive match.

For the Dec and Jan 1st PPVs, I let Big E pick his opponents. Guys that he feels like management have held down. Give me Keith Lee and Ricochet. Yes, WWE needs to lean in on diverse and minority superstars getting a chance. The one thing they have over AEW right now.

For Royal Rumble, I have Xaiver Woods win it. Maybe it even comes down to him and Kofi at the end, but Woods goes over. I don't turn anyone on the New Day, but make it a Face vs. Face at Mania. Make Kofi the ref even. And I put the belt on Woods in a Daniel Bryan underdog type story.

 
Between AEW beating RAW in the 18-49 demo and MNF, Vince had to do something.  I suspect the episode long tease was the hook to keep people tuned in.

Lashley is protected in defeat because he got injured, so he stays strong.  Big E takes advantage of the injury - as any heel would do - and cashes in to become a world champion.  Orton loses to Lashley is no great shakes to me, as he being a double digit time world champion means he's always going to be in the mix and contending on a regular basis.  After all, we've seen teams be strong and win a title or two yet because they've lost as much as more than they've won, they're looked down on (Cleveland Indians Guardians, please pick up the yellow courtesy phone).

 
Bogart said:
Good for Big E. You talk about guys that deserve and can do something with the ball/rocket, I think he's at the top of the list.

Didn't like the storytelling last night. You made Orton look weak, and made Big E look weak because of the fake knee injury for Lashley. But whatever, everyone loves a cash in and a new champion. 

FANTASY BOOKING: I would have Big E hold the title all the way until Mania.

Give me a triple threat of Big E/Lashley/Orton at Extreme Rules. Give me Big E vs. Lashley for the big paycheck at Crown Jewel. At Crown Jewel, I have New Day go over Orton and Riddle to become Tag Champs, putting all the major belts for RAW on New Day. This leads to New Day vs. Bloodline at Survivor Series. One of the Usos can eat the pin in a massive match.

For the Dec and Jan 1st PPVs, I let Big E pick his opponents. Guys that he feels like management have held down. Give me Keith Lee and Ricochet. Yes, WWE needs to lean in on diverse and minority superstars getting a chance. The one thing they have over AEW right now.

For Royal Rumble, I have Xaiver Woods win it. Maybe it even comes down to him and Kofi at the end, but Woods goes over. I don't turn anyone on the New Day, but make it a Face vs. Face at Mania. Make Kofi the ref even. And I put the belt on Woods in a Daniel Bryan underdog type story.
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They'll treat him as a transitional champ watch. He finally deserves it but they'll screw up the storyline once Vince sees the Fans are too behind Big E. The momentum to put Big E as Champ was yrs ago when they should've broken up the New day. 

Not a huge fan of the Scenario. Rather see Big E Turn on Kofi and Xavier and Break up New Day finally. I'd have a whole thing on how to do it but I'm so disinterested in WWE anyway I won't take the time to really write up the whole thing 

 
hagmania said:
MNF curbstomped all other television last night. My word, >23 million total viewers.
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Listening to Eli and Peyton last night was the most entertaining Television on a Monday night in a long time 

 
Bogart said:
Good for Big E. You talk about guys that deserve and can do something with the ball/rocket, I think he's at the top of the list.

Didn't like the storytelling last night. You made Orton look weak, and made Big E look weak because of the fake knee injury for Lashley. But whatever, everyone loves a cash in and a new champion. 

FANTASY BOOKING: I would have Big E hold the title all the way until Mania.

Give me a triple threat of Big E/Lashley/Orton at Extreme Rules. Give me Big E vs. Lashley for the big paycheck at Crown Jewel. At Crown Jewel, I have New Day go over Orton and Riddle to become Tag Champs, putting all the major belts for RAW on New Day. This leads to New Day vs. Bloodline at Survivor Series. One of the Usos can eat the pin in a massive match.

For the Dec and Jan 1st PPVs, I let Big E pick his opponents. Guys that he feels like management have held down. Give me Keith Lee and Ricochet. Yes, WWE needs to lean in on diverse and minority superstars getting a chance. The one thing they have over AEW right now.

For Royal Rumble, I have Xaiver Woods win it. Maybe it even comes down to him and Kofi at the end, but Woods goes over. I don't turn anyone on the New Day, but make it a Face vs. Face at Mania. Make Kofi the ref even. And I put the belt on Woods in a Daniel Bryan underdog type story.
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This is all well and good, but none of these story lines make anyone excited. WWE has positioned themselves that they have to make a splash NOW to combat AEW's momentum. They should've learned long ago the art of the slow burn, but they just don't do it. "Hey these two guys are going to be the future match up at WM---let's have them fight tonight on RAW!!"   I am amazed they haven't told Austin to dust the boots off for one more time vs the Rock. 

Crown Jewel, BIg E at Lashley won't happen. It will be Big E and Triple H and his walker in a tag team match vs Lashley and a holograph of  Benoit, just because that is what the King wants. 

 
DJackson10 said:
hagmania said:
MNF curbstomped all other television last night. My word, >23 million total viewers.
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Listening to Eli and Peyton last night was the most entertaining Television on a Monday night in a long time 
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Curious hag, did that 23 mill include the Manning View?  I am a super sports nerd and many of my friends/listens/views watched that at least part of the time last night.

 
Courtjester said:
This is all well and good, but none of these story lines make anyone excited. WWE has positioned themselves that they have to make a splash NOW to combat AEW's momentum. They should've learned long ago the art of the slow burn, but they just don't do it. "Hey these two guys are going to be the future match up at WM---let's have them fight tonight on RAW!!"   I am amazed they haven't told Austin to dust the boots off for one more time vs the Rock. 

Crown Jewel, BIg E at Lashley won't happen. It will be Big E and Triple H and his walker in a tag team match vs Lashley and a holograph of  Benoit, just because that is what the King wants. 
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Sounds like this is all that matters.  What Al Saud wants, he gets.  Eff the rest.

 
facook said:
Curious hag, did that 23 mill include the Manning View?  I am a super sports nerd and many of my friends/listens/views watched that at least part of the time last night.
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I misspoke earlier: only 16 million for MNF, but 23 when you include the preshow and postshow.

About 1 million total viewers for tbe Manning Bros' cast.

 
Tom Servo said:
Between AEW beating RAW in the 18-49 demo and MNF, Vince had to do something.  I suspect the episode long tease was the hook to keep people tuned in.

Lashley is protected in defeat because he got injured, so he stays strong.  Big E takes advantage of the injury - as any heel would do - and cashes in to become a world champion.  Orton loses to Lashley is no great shakes to me, as he being a double digit time world champion means he's always going to be in the mix and contending on a regular basis.  After all, we've seen teams be strong and win a title or two yet because they've lost as much as more than they've won, they're looked down on (Cleveland Indians Guardians, please pick up the yellow courtesy phone).
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I haven't been watching RAW, like at all, but I checked out the title match.  Big E is a heel??

 
facook said:
Sounds like this is all that matters.  What Al Saud wants, he gets.  Eff the rest.
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For the money they are making over there, I don't blame them. Yeah, it sucks for the fans here maybe, but I would do the same thing. $50 million buys a lot of leeway with stock holders when your TV ratings dip.

 
Let's get Conrad on their Confidential sow of this episode and get his thoughts.....

Dreamer really should have kept his mouth shut. I guess there's really not much consequence for him working for impact.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Let's get Conrad on their Confidential sow of this episode and get his thoughts.....

Dreamer really should have kept his mouth shut. I guess there's really not much consequence for him working for impact.
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Dreamer is suspended indefinately and AEW fans are sending Messages to AEW to not hire Flair. 

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
Dark Side of the Ring returned tonight and I'm still reeling. Who knew Tommy Dreamer was such a POS?
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I think I know where his comments were going here and this isn't me defending a guy I know.This is me saying in Todays world that sort of comment will get you trouble where 10 yrs ago people are still brushing it off. I won't speak for Tommy but what I got out of his comments was "Yeah back then that was acceptable behavior and no one really considered what Flair did Wrong. Trust me I know there's far worse Flair has done in his career from what I've been told but I'm not gonna be telling stories that aren't public. THere's a ton of guys and a few who'd surprise people with actions they did back then. Forget the Mauro Antics and the Dudley's incident with JBL back in the day. That dudes don't so much worse that if he was in today's business he'd have been #### canned yesterday from any promotion. 

I think anyone acting surprised here isn't being truthful with themselves on the reality here. 

Either way if Dreamer never works IMPACT again it might be blessing for hm considering all the problems they still have over there 

 
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