Part of the narrative from the announce team last night was about how Roman didn't seem to quite approve of the Bloodline interferring to save him. Since I"ve been out of the action for awhile...would it be out of character for Roman to play a somewhat honorable jerk, be impressed with Cody's showing and give him a rematch with the Bloodline not allowed to be ringside?
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Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Nope won't happen. Unless WWE goes total bizarro mode after seeing all the negative reviews from last night's main event and does some kind of surprise title drop tonight, we are going to be treated to four months of some variation of three man tag team matches with Cody, KO and Sami against the USO's and Solo. Maybe they will spice it up and include a fourth person, but we have basically been told the next four months are meaningless.
I have nothing against RR and I agree completely that Cody maybe hadn't "earned" it yet (I actually think his act is pretty boring), but the problem is fan perception. I am a casual viewer and for the few times I have tuned in, all I have witnessed is the Bloodline beating down KO and then the beat down of Sami--week after week. The story of the spunky underdogs overcoming the odds is played out at this point. Heck, many expected Sami to win the title at Elimination Chamber, but the fans were left unsatisfied AGAIN. WWE cannot expect fans to sit through month after month of now Cody getting beat down and expect them to remain invested. I am a fan of the slow burn story telling in wrestling, but there is such a thing as going to the well too many times. Judging by the reviews from some of the people that were there last night and how absolutely dead silent and betrayed the fans were as they left the arena as quickly as they could, WWE needs to take note.
WM has always served as the great reset for WWE. The after WM RAW sometimes would provide a surprise title drop, but for the most part it is when you get an insight as to where the new rivalries and story lines are going to be. Maybe I am a glass half empty guy when it comes to the WWE, but they have no plan for over 80% of the roster.
Brock/Cena/Edge are part-timers and won't be back for a bit. Omos is a gimmick they can dust off to fight Braun at the Saudi show. I can't see Seth continuing the program with Logan Paul on a full-time basis (even though Logan really impressed me), Maybe a LA Knight and a Rollins run?? Hey Bobby go out there and smile and waive to the crowd--we have no plan to actually use you for anything because you are boring as poop--however a Gunther story line would be intriguing. Baylor has been reduced to a gimmick and I was actually embarrassed for him last night. "We are trying to promote this new Exorcist movie so go out there and growl and act possessed." McIntyre is probably going elsewhere. Sheamus and few other mid-carders will remain around as fillers.
The only real story line that is positive is the Rey and Dominik one. This still has a lot of legs.
What am I missing.....
DJackson10
Footballguy
It's better then the Saudi's 24.3 B worth combine. Can't wait to watch all the douchey backward affliction hat tap out shirt wearing MMA "expert" fans to ***** about the wrestling portion of this. There's gonna be a lot of hypocrisy on both sides
Some key notes. Looks more likely WWE goes back to PPV buys if that's the case and considering I'm reading Vince will be in charge of creative again WWE is gonna lose money IMHO Hunter keeps his spot but it doesn't look like he has as much say over the creative as he did almost a year ago. Endeavor is a huge company and talent buying agency too. My one customer who helps in this sort of talent buying stuff has dealt with them numerious times. Endeavor will look to get separate rights deals for both companies but aren't ruling out some stuff being shown on one network stream etc.
There was a huge talent meeting at 4PM this afternoon Talked to my former coworker who has coworkers still in WWE and it's very uneasy. A lot of people from the office to Talent wise is very scared Like I said yesterday huge mergers like this often mean the bought company has major cuts both in office and talent wise. Many people are afraid of the unknown. Very few talent know they are definitely safe but nobody is ruling anyone untouchable outside maybe 5 men and 5 women on the roster who already know their place for the future
Roman is also still on his limited schedule he'll have a match with him and Solo as Main Event vs Cody and a mystery partner sources are saying is Matt Cardona who's been rumored to go back to WWE for awhile especially with his wife Chelsea Green there. Cody and Matt are also very good friends
DJackson10
Footballguy
The former Grizzled Young Veteran have asked and were granted their WWE release. Man did they F them over especially Zach Gibson. NJPW or ROH would be really good places for this tag team if they chose to not go back to the UK scene or want to still do that and work for a promotion who is flexible
DJackson10
Footballguy
Having watched Balor AKA Price Devitt I'm embarrassed for him right now. Not sure how long he's signed for still and no-one seems to have an answer but if its up soon and I were him I'd honestly not sign a renewal go back to NJPW and Bullet Club. I know Karl has said in the past they didn't team in WWE because that was a dark time for Devitt as a person on a personal level so maybe not but he could go to AEW and be a legit ACE there. Styles deal is up Next Jan but could sign an extension til 27 as the Good Brothers are signed to then
I'm a casual viewer at this point checking time to time if nothing is on. I'll watch SDL more then going out of my way for RAW though as more of the talent I like is there. I was rooting for Cody to make the dream real now I really don't care. Maybe I'll check in for the PPV if it's still on the network. I saw quite a few social media responses today like I started watching WWE for Cody again but I see its still the same ole **** as before. I won't be tuning back in. Or things like WWE had chance to draw more fans back in but they failed not putting the title on Cody. Some people are similar to you where they just don't care anymore.
Drew looks like he's going else where based on his reactions with Sheamus and the crowd after the match.
No idea unless Gunther loses the IC title who goes for Roman now. They killed the moment for Cody Homelander.
Side note funniest part last night wasn't old man Shane blowing a quad but when they announce Mania in my City and went to a live reaction the fans were chanting AEW!!!!!
As for me after I watch opening segment at 9 I'm listening to a pod thats on live Mon nights maybe check back in after the hour till end but after that I go back to not giving a flying fuk about WWE. Seriously with Vince back in charge of creative and the marks defending the **** booking they truly deserve one another at this point especially if you are gonna get so defensive.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Hunter is thanking Talent and Staff and Fans sounds like he's announcing the deal live
DJackson10
Footballguy
CameraMan Stew getting a chant!!!!! He's awesome met him yrs ago. The stories that man can tell
DJackson10
Footballguy
This crowd isn't as good as past "mania's fully was expecting the John Cena Treatment of "**** you Roman"
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Not a huge wrestling guy since I was a teen, but that Wrestlemania was very good. What did the Miz do to get so punked on each night though?
DJackson10
Footballguy
Brock is the mystery partner?
DJackson10
Footballguy
Hunter reassuring fans WWE won't change is pretty bad. When your company is bought by another company changes happen. Reminds me several yrs ago when McMahon/Helmsley faction stood in that very ring and told us they'd listen to the fans and change was happening. Same **** different day. Empty promises announced.
hagmania
Footballguy
facook
Footballguy
That wasn't Vince's idea. They gave over an hour of a three hour show to shifting Cody/Reigns, and shift it they did. Was Brock paid off by Paul? Did he decide to join 'em? Do we get a continuation of Brock, or is gone fishin'? Tune in next time to find out.
DJackson10
Footballguy
What a **** RAW guess I'm done with WWE. Cody got buried tonight. Only big return if you can call it that is Matt Riddle. You can tell Vince's stench was all over tonights program. One of the worst RAW after "Mania's I've ever witnessed
DJackson10
Footballguy
I'm also seeing some meme's of Cody's song and people making meme's with "hey I miss you types with messages saying" Cody texting Tony Khan and the EVP's right now
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Dave Knows Wrestling: 7 reasons why Cody didn't win the title.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Triple H reassuring fans last night
"Don't worry nothing is changing its staying the same."
After RAW
"Oh I forget one little tidbit my Father In Law is back in charge with final say but don't worry nothing will change.:
Multiple sources reporting Vince is firmly back. Several wrestlers were taken out of the show and numerious script changes made. Bayley was cut out completely. Per Wrestling Observer and PW Vince was at Gorilla position with the headset and will have final say but Hunter still leads creative.
Well it was fun while it lasted folks
"Don't worry nothing is changing its staying the same."
After RAW
"Oh I forget one little tidbit my Father In Law is back in charge with final say but don't worry nothing will change.:
Multiple sources reporting Vince is firmly back. Several wrestlers were taken out of the show and numerious script changes made. Bayley was cut out completely. Per Wrestling Observer and PW Vince was at Gorilla position with the headset and will have final say but Hunter still leads creative.
Well it was fun while it lasted folks
DJackson10
Footballguy
White saw Vince back in charge and said **** it or he was never going there to begin with
There "was absolutely no discussion of former NJPW star Jay White within WWE at all over WrestleMania 39 weekend."
It also now appears that White is not WWE-bound based on conversations PWInsider have had with WWE officials and wrestlers.
- PWInsider
There "was absolutely no discussion of former NJPW star Jay White within WWE at all over WrestleMania 39 weekend."
It also now appears that White is not WWE-bound based on conversations PWInsider have had with WWE officials and wrestlers.
- PWInsider
DJackson10
Footballguy
Dave Meltzer on WOR on Vince puts it simply: "He's back in charge. He was running TV tonight. He's back. It will be what it was before."
 Dave on HHH: "Paul will be head of creative. So he's going to be doing the busy work and all of that stuff. Vince is going to have final say on everything."
PWInsider reports that Vince McMahon was “firmly back in control” of Raw last night. He was reportedly sitting in the Gorilla Position with a headset on.
There were several script re-writes and multiple wrestler segments either shortened or canceled throughout the entirety of the night, including Bayley, who was set to come out with Damage CTRL, but was pulled from the show last minute for unknown reasons.
Vince McMahon made several changes to RAW tonight. Numerious talent were said to be frustrated by McMahon's interference again as they thought there was really change in the last year. Bayley was originally scheduled to be on RAW tonight with Damage CTRL but she was cut from the show entirely.
To add to this I briefly saw a tweet I wish I saved from someone who was at raw. They took a pic saying they sat behind the production area that sits near the stage and within the 1st hour said they were handed several different papers with highlighted material etc that looked like script changes. Another person sitting by the commentators saw several notes passed within that same hour to commentary team. This was said to not be happening at much if at all while Hunter was fully in charge of production. I spoke to someone today who said one 2 talents he spoke to last night were not happy and its gone back to an uneasy feeling. Morale seems to be pretty low right now from talent an production people again. Its an eery feeling similar to when Vince was last in charge. Some talent who are on top of Hunters go to are now worried with Vince being in charge of being possible released again or buried on the card.
This is the exact reason after Hunter took over I laughed at people thinking just because Hunter was in charge talent would line up to sign with WWE. a few returned but others decided to take the wait and see approach for this very reason.
 Dave on HHH: "Paul will be head of creative. So he's going to be doing the busy work and all of that stuff. Vince is going to have final say on everything."
PWInsider reports that Vince McMahon was “firmly back in control” of Raw last night. He was reportedly sitting in the Gorilla Position with a headset on.
There were several script re-writes and multiple wrestler segments either shortened or canceled throughout the entirety of the night, including Bayley, who was set to come out with Damage CTRL, but was pulled from the show last minute for unknown reasons.
Vince McMahon made several changes to RAW tonight. Numerious talent were said to be frustrated by McMahon's interference again as they thought there was really change in the last year. Bayley was originally scheduled to be on RAW tonight with Damage CTRL but she was cut from the show entirely.
To add to this I briefly saw a tweet I wish I saved from someone who was at raw. They took a pic saying they sat behind the production area that sits near the stage and within the 1st hour said they were handed several different papers with highlighted material etc that looked like script changes. Another person sitting by the commentators saw several notes passed within that same hour to commentary team. This was said to not be happening at much if at all while Hunter was fully in charge of production. I spoke to someone today who said one 2 talents he spoke to last night were not happy and its gone back to an uneasy feeling. Morale seems to be pretty low right now from talent an production people again. Its an eery feeling similar to when Vince was last in charge. Some talent who are on top of Hunters go to are now worried with Vince being in charge of being possible released again or buried on the card.
This is the exact reason after Hunter took over I laughed at people thinking just because Hunter was in charge talent would line up to sign with WWE. a few returned but others decided to take the wait and see approach for this very reason.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Watched Stand And Deliver Takeover last night. Fatal 5 Way with Wes Lee winning may have been my Favorite of the night. All those guys are just amazing
Scotland rules the Tag Div with Frye/Dawn women champs and Gallus with a returning Joe Coffey as the Mens. Surprised Breakker lost
Feel good moment of the week other then Shibata getting his first title since his horrible injury and Sammy and KO was Indie Hartwell winning the NXT Women's title with Sexy Dexy helping.
Gargano vs Waller was good. I think Johnny is better in the long run in NXT. Takeover just seemed a little too short honestly for me though but overall really good
Scotland rules the Tag Div with Frye/Dawn women champs and Gallus with a returning Joe Coffey as the Mens. Surprised Breakker lost
Feel good moment of the week other then Shibata getting his first title since his horrible injury and Sammy and KO was Indie Hartwell winning the NXT Women's title with Sexy Dexy helping.
Gargano vs Waller was good. I think Johnny is better in the long run in NXT. Takeover just seemed a little too short honestly for me though but overall really good
coyote5
Footballguy
Well, we'll always have Summerslam through night one of WM39. What an absolute deflating, scattered **** show last night.
I'd been pretty much completely out on WWE, but slowly they were earning me back with the Bloodline story, which got me into the Mysterio story, and then Walter's IC run etc. Now, I have a feeling I'll be fast forwarding even more, if I stay around. Feel bad for HHH, he had really started to build a good wrestling product again.
I'd been pretty much completely out on WWE, but slowly they were earning me back with the Bloodline story, which got me into the Mysterio story, and then Walter's IC run etc. Now, I have a feeling I'll be fast forwarding even more, if I stay around. Feel bad for HHH, he had really started to build a good wrestling product again.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Why would anyone feel bad for triple h? He’s cut from the same cloth as Vince.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
We need a middle finger button.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
coyote5
Footballguy
Because the product the WWE has put out in the time VKM was removed was light years better, and by all accounts that is due to HHH
Now the top two US promotions have ****ty bookers again.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Wow, looks like Bayley, Askua, and Becky are looking to get out on the women's side with Vince coming back. Rollins, Wyatt, LA Knight and MacIntyre on the men's side
Apparently morale is in the dirt, especially on the women's side. Bayley and Askua have already checked out on Twitter according to their last posts.
Apparently morale is in the dirt, especially on the women's side. Bayley and Askua have already checked out on Twitter according to their last posts.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Daughter Of Vickie Guerrero Claims She Was Sexually Assaulted By Vickie’s Husband; Says Vickie Chose Husband Over Her
Sherilyn Guerrero, the daughter of Eddie and Vickie Guerrero, has recently come out to state that Vickie’s new husband, Kris Benson had sexually assaulted her.
That information comes from a TikTok that Sherilyn posted recently, in which she claims Benson assaulted her during a cruise.
Sherilyn Guerrero, the daughter of Eddie and Vickie Guerrero, has recently come out to state that Vickie’s new husband, Kris Benson had sexually assaulted her.
That information comes from a TikTok that Sherilyn posted recently, in which she claims Benson assaulted her during a cruise.
DJackson10
Footballguy
“I don’t make the calls around here. It’s just one of those things.
When this (match with GUNTHER) was proposed to me, I liked it because I like the challenge, and I like the matchup."
Brock Lesnar to ESPN
When this (match with GUNTHER) was proposed to me, I liked it because I like the challenge, and I like the matchup."
Brock Lesnar to ESPN
DJackson10
Footballguy
Yep talent is sick and tired of Vince.
At least two talent, including one near the top of the card said they'll likely request their releases (from WWE) if Vince's creative involvement is a trend moving forward. Another that said they'll just ride out their deal. There are multiple wrestlers who are already exploring what their options would be in the event Vince were to be steadily involved.
Fun fact in All of this. This got the one talent who was able to get out of their contract in WWE before starting a trend. That person was in a controversial booking this weekend. If anyone knows to get out of a WWE contract Cody Rhoads is there
I should reiterate though McIntyre was on his way out to begin with.
hagmania
Footballguy
All three of those women and Seth Rollins would be gangbusters on AEW. Eli Drake would be great as well, but there's no way he'd be booked properly.
Tony really needs to be judicious about who he welcomes into the fold. Already too many bodies to wrestle and not enough hours of wrestling in AEW's entertainment budget.
Tony really needs to be judicious about who he welcomes into the fold. Already too many bodies to wrestle and not enough hours of wrestling in AEW's entertainment budget.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Bingo. The women's division in AEW is not good. I like Hayter and Toni Storm, but that's about it. Baker seems to have regressed, but that might be due to her opposition. Jade is terrible. Rhio just doesn't do it for me. Thunder Rosa is good, but where has she been? Ruby Riot is ok. Adding Becky, Bayley and Asuka would be instant money in that division.
Of course Rollins would be a great addition to any company and would likely win the aew title within 6 months.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I get that, but didn't people hate how WM ended Sunday? Wasn't that Triple H's call?Because the product the WWE has put out in the time VKM was removed was light years better, and by all accounts that is due to HHH
Now the top two US promotions have ****ty bookers again.
Personally, while I think it is laughable that Reigns has gotten to hold the world title this long, I still don't buy Cody as world champion material, but I get that many do.
coyote5
Footballguy
Unfortunately TK is the booker, so... good luck to em.
hagmania
Footballguy
Tony Khan is hands down the best supercard booker. If you paired his fan-first card mentality with tv writing, it would be unparalleled wrestling television. I do believe production value will only continue to improve. Hell, a couple of weeks ago they had zero sound issues!
All I can say is use AEW tv episodes as a way to satisfy you between your live event experiences. If you're only going to watch on tv, probably best not to get too invested with stories. AEW's tv deal is a means to make profit while Tony makes dream cards.
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DJackson10
Footballguy
I think signing most of the women would be good. Drew in AEW/NJPW would also be good as they need someone in the bigger brawler side thats legit for AEW. There's really no one right now. I wouldn't touch bray at this point let him go to IMPACt if they want. Drake I could see going back to IMPACT.
I do think there's some fat in AEW that needs to be trimmed unless they are looking to let some of these guys do more ROH or letting them do my outside promotion stuff like going on a tour with NJPW or CML or any of the partner promotions. El Vikingo is a must sign. There's a lot in the industry already saying he reminds them of Rey Mystero. Would be a huge get and help the Hispanic/latin fan demo.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Thuder Rosa has some sort of bad back injury and should be back this or next month I read. It was a spinal injury.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I get that, but didn't people hate how WM ended Sunday? Wasn't that Triple H's call?Because the product the WWE has put out in the time VKM was removed was light years better, and by all accounts that is due to HHH
Now the top two US promotions have ****ty bookers again.
Personally, while I think it is laughable that Reigns has gotten to hold the world title this long, I still don't buy Cody as world champion material, but I get that many do.
I don't think he is even in NJPW I didn't see him highly but in WWE I think he's a champ. From what I've heard apparently Cody was suppose to win the title and Roman go on a long hiatus possible till RR next year spend time with family etc. I heard Vince Overrided that and he now wants to market 1K for Roman as it hasn't been done in yrs. But take that with a grain of salt. It makes sense though in terms of Vince's views.
Also WWE has a rocky Relationship with Roman who threatened to leave during the pandemic do to Vinces handling of it. Even the USO's said stuff too Vince. Roman has them by the balls at this point. So maybe Vince talked Roman do the 1K till SS and you can still go on Hiatus. Vince never saw Cody as a champ.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Nigel McGuenness is ALL Elite officially. There's rumors he's the 5th member of BCC and behind BCC heel turn. I think that's a great move if it's true.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
There are a lot of rumblings that the 2nd night of WM had Vince's fingerprints all over it. Night one was amazing and the crowd was hot. Night two was just a big old mess and the crowd left silent. There is a big difference between a crowd leaving mad--aka we can't wait to see that guy get beat next time and a crown leaving quickly and silent-- aka they did it to us again. Why do we watch this stuff?I get that, but didn't people hate how WM ended Sunday? Wasn't that Triple H's call?Because the product the WWE has put out in the time VKM was removed was light years better, and by all accounts that is due to HHH
Now the top two US promotions have ****ty bookers again.
Personally, while I think it is laughable that Reigns has gotten to hold the world title this long, I still don't buy Cody as world champion material, but I get that many do.
You could tell how messed up RAW was just by looking at the Rollins segment. He comes out, sings with the fans, cut to commercial, come back, he is still standing there and then leaves the ring. Go to the Lashley interview.
I am definitely out for a while on WWE,
Bogart
Footballguy
There are a lot of rumblings that the 2nd night of WM had Vince's fingerprints all over it. Night one was amazing and the crowd was hot. Night two was just a big old mess and the crowd left silent. There is a big difference between a crowd leaving mad--aka we can't wait to see that guy get beat next time and a crown leaving quickly and silent-- aka they did it to us again. Why do we watch this stuff?I get that, but didn't people hate how WM ended Sunday? Wasn't that Triple H's call?Because the product the WWE has put out in the time VKM was removed was light years better, and by all accounts that is due to HHH
Now the top two US promotions have ****ty bookers again.
Personally, while I think it is laughable that Reigns has gotten to hold the world title this long, I still don't buy Cody as world champion material, but I get that many do.
You could tell how messed up RAW was just by looking at the Rollins segment. He comes out, sings with the fans, cut to commercial, come back, he is still standing there and then leaves the ring. Go to the Lashley interview.
I am definitely out for a while on WWE,
My routine of not watching RAW, only catching SDL if I have nothing going on and watching the PLEs on the Peacock has kept the product fresh. I watch Simon Miller's reviews on YouTube for the weekly shows and listen to The Ringer wrestling shows during my commute and it keeps me in the loop without watching 5 hours each week.
DJackson10
Footballguy
WWE was not happy with Ric Flair’s induction speech this past weekend, where he ushered the Great Muta into the Hall of Fame.
WWE officials thought that Flair focused on himself too much, and did not give any shine to Muta, much like The Nature Boy did when he inducted Sting in 2016.
WWE officials thought that Flair focused on himself too much, and did not give any shine to Muta, much like The Nature Boy did when he inducted Sting in 2016.
DJackson10
Footballguy
WWE's sale to Endeavor could already be causing potential legal issues, with a law firm announcing that they will start investigating the recent transaction.
The Wisconsin-based Ademi LLP announced on Monday afternoon that they will investigate WWE for "possible breaches of fiduciary duty and other violations of law in its transaction with Endeavor".
Their complaint alleges that WWE's financial outlook and future prospects are strong, yet the sale to Endeavor only values WWE stock at $106 per share (with Endeavor holding a 51% controlling interest in the new company and existing WWE shareholders retaining and holding a 49% interest in the company).
They argue that the agreement unreasonably limits competing bids for WWE by imposing a significant penalty if WWE accepts a superior bid. They add that insiders will receive substantial benefits due to this.
Ademi are investigating whether WWE are fulfilling their fiduciary duty to all shareholders and whether they received a reasonable price for the company.
It encouraged existing WWE shareholders to get in touch with them, if they would like further information.
The Wisconsin-based Ademi LLP announced on Monday afternoon that they will investigate WWE for "possible breaches of fiduciary duty and other violations of law in its transaction with Endeavor".
Their complaint alleges that WWE's financial outlook and future prospects are strong, yet the sale to Endeavor only values WWE stock at $106 per share (with Endeavor holding a 51% controlling interest in the new company and existing WWE shareholders retaining and holding a 49% interest in the company).
They argue that the agreement unreasonably limits competing bids for WWE by imposing a significant penalty if WWE accepts a superior bid. They add that insiders will receive substantial benefits due to this.
Ademi are investigating whether WWE are fulfilling their fiduciary duty to all shareholders and whether they received a reasonable price for the company.
It encouraged existing WWE shareholders to get in touch with them, if they would like further information.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Jay White is All Elite!!!!!!!
DJackson10
Footballguy
PWinsider reporters AEW has hired Adam Hopkins WWE longtime PR guy
DJackson10
Footballguy
MJF Musicial NUMBER!!!!!!! 
DJackson10
Footballguy
ALL IN WEMBLEY STADIUM AUG 27!!!!!! TK and Tony Announce
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Why tho. Why would you book a stadium that's way beyond your means to fill up? Bret & Davey Boy aren't walking thru that curtain.
