***Official Pro Wrestling Thread*** (7 Viewers)

[eoMMan]

Any word on when Big Poppa Pump or Razor Ramone are coming back?

 

[SlaX]

Rollins is more compelling on the mic than most of the stars, in my opinion. I'd prefer to hear him tell a story over guys like Orton, Ziggler, Barrett and others.

I don't mean it as an attack I was just curious as to his perception. He's among the better guys today , I guess, but I wouldn't even label him top 10 for the past decade.

To me, when I think Great I think flair/Rhodes/austin/rock/jake Roberts. And to me he's not even in that realm. The only guy today who sniffs greatness is wyatt

I have a feeling Ambrose could sniff greatness if he wasn't shackled to this stupid lunatic fringe gimmick.

Ambrose can talk with the best of them, his pre-WWE stuff is golden.

I think the problem isn't with the people themselves, it is with Vince. I was listening to Chris Jericho's podcast a few months back, and he was talking about leaving in 2010, and coming back in 2012 and being handed a 2 page promo script. He marched into Vince's office and asked what the hell he was just given, as it used to be a few bullet points and wing it, and Vince said that was how they did things now, Jericho responded by going out and having a 10-minute promo without saying a single word.

Point being, I really believe if the wrestlers were just given bullet points instead of scripts, they'd be much better. There are a lot of great talkers in the company, who just don't get many chances. Conversely, I bet Rock, Austin etc. would have been pretty mediocre having to follow a lot of asinine scripts.

I agree with both of you... but i can't put Ambrose there until we see a little more but I think he has a main event face type Mic ability.

these guys love to mainstream and crossover appeal... and one of their biggest places this happens is with Flair. Flair didn't become Flair with scripts. Sometimes you see him and Hogan and even Piper come back and look flat and you think, are they losing it? But its not,you can see them trying to remember lines.

Hulk Hogan putting forth his natural charisma, became the biggest, hottest draw in wrestling history.

Hulk Hogan, the actor, did No Holds Barred and Santa with Muscles.

Will any of these guys be quoted in the mainstream like Flair or Rock or even Savage and Austin?

Athletes became fond of having those title belts to pass around the the locker room. Because those belts were built up and held by guys that in their realm projected excellence.

So the WWE thought they were missing out on promotion, so they went to that over the top title belt that is just their logo.

But they aren't realizing that that belt is associated with the tarnished turd that is their product.

Their priorities are so ####ed.

The feud of the year when those polls are done for 2015 should be WWE management vs. their fanbase

Sorry this is all over place

The whole reason Jim Ross was fired the last time was because he couldn't keep everyone on script during a press conference for the WWE 2K14 video game. A video game press conference, FFS! And since it was mostly about Wrestlemania moments, the guys went off script and started telling their own stories. Vince was extremely upset and fired Ross for good. Oh yeah, and Ric Flair being drunk played a little role in that too. But he had some of the best stories because of it.

 

[travdogg]

The micromanaging is brutal. It used to be a tried and true formula. You let the talented guys work the mic (Flair, Hogan, Rock, Austin, Jericho, Macho Man, etc), you script the other guys/and or pair them with some talent and dish them out in small doses (think Freebirds with PS Hayes doing most of the talking or Arn Anderson speaking for Tully or the other Horsemen not named Ric Flair), and the guys with ring skills that are abysmal on the mic you give the UBER talented managers to (the Brain, Heyman, Cornette).Watching guys trip over lines trying to cut even a two minute promo is horrible.

The thing is too, that an awful promo is still much more interesting and memorable than a boring one. I remember a completely silly promo from 20 years ago, where Brian Pillman got pinned by a 6 foot tall inflatable pencil. It didn't matter, but it was interesting and memorable. The whole Rock and Sock "This is your life" promo was stupid and pointless, but was fun and memorable.

There should be a memorable promo on every show, especially with 3 hours to kill. Let these people have some freedom, and if they bomb, then they bomb. But if they knock it out of the park, then everybody looks better. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think boring is a lot worse than stupid.

 

[SlaX]

The micromanaging is brutal. It used to be a tried and true formula. You let the talented guys work the mic (Flair, Hogan, Rock, Austin, Jericho, Macho Man, etc), you script the other guys/and or pair them with some talent and dish them out in small doses (think Freebirds with PS Hayes doing most of the talking or Arn Anderson speaking for Tully or the other Horsemen not named Ric Flair), and the guys with ring skills that are abysmal on the mic you give the UBER talented managers to (the Brain, Heyman, Cornette).Watching guys trip over lines trying to cut even a two minute promo is horrible.

The thing is too, that an awful promo is still much more interesting and memorable than a boring one. I remember a completely silly promo from 20 years ago, where Brian Pillman got pinned by a 6 foot tall inflatable pencil. It didn't matter, but it was interesting and memorable. The whole Rock and Sock "This is your life" promo was stupid and pointless, but was fun and memorable.

There should be a memorable promo on every show, especially with 3 hours to kill. Let these people have some freedom, and if they bomb, then they bomb. But if they knock it out of the park, then everybody looks better. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think boring is a lot worse than stupid.

That segment held the record in cable TV ratings until the Walking Dead beat it a couple of years ago (and then Better Call Saul's premiere broke that). But that was over a decade that a wrestling segment held a ratings record and it was all because of a stupid and pointless promo that went about 20 minutes too long.

 

[Tom Servo]

Guy gives his girlfriend WWE finishers (into a pool)

ETA: Girl is wearing yoga pants; fire up the batsignal for Jon_mx and Tom234e2304.

Love the multiple angles and slo-mo replays. Stellar stuff right there.

He's got good shtick there.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Guy gives his girlfriend WWE finishers (into a pool)

ETA: Girl is wearing yoga pants; fire up the batsignal for Jon_mx and Tom234e2304.

Love the multiple angles and slo-mo replays. Stellar stuff right there.

He's got good shtick there.

Loved the twin magic at the end too

 

[D in the D]

WWE to publish first book in a deal with ECW press The Iron Sheik: Listen Jabroni!

Congrats Sheiky, couldn't happen to a better guy. Will you autograph my copy when i get it?

http://www.pwbts.com/messages/87278.htm

 

[ScottNorwood]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

 

[Thunderlips]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

It's the champion of the continents. The World Champion is the champion of EVERYTHING......the continents, the ice caps, the oceans.....HTH

 

[Trey]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

In years goneby, the IC scene was often where they let some young guys grow up and establish themselves before moving on to the WWF title chase. They actually had quality feuds over the belt.

Now it's just a cluster #### with no meaningful booking.

 

[travdogg]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

In years goneby, the IC scene was often where they let some young guys grow up and establish themselves before moving on to the WWF title chase. They actually had quality feuds over the belt.

Now it's just a cluster #### with no meaningful booking.

There was a stretch in the early 90's after Warrior was no longer champion, where it was kind of seen as the 240 pound and under championship. Perfect-Hart-Michaels-Jannetty. I'd be totally on board if it were to be like that again.

 

[Smack Tripper]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

In years goneby, the IC scene was often where they let some young guys grow up and establish themselves before moving on to the WWF title chase. They actually had quality feuds over the belt.

Now it's just a cluster #### with no meaningful booking.

I dare say, that a a title, it was more over than the World title. You KNEW Hogan was never losing, but the IC belt changed hands on house shows often enough that there was drama and heat in every match. Seeing a title change meant something. Add to that it was the title that by virtue of mic work, ring work or "cool heel"ness was the IC belt. Honkytonk went against all of that, but eventually you had to respect his pure heel heat and he probably drew the biggest money as an IC champion.

To me it died when they put the belt on Road Dog in 96 or 97.

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

I believe it started when the WWF ran split shows. The works champion would main event in one city while the IC title was defended in another.

As time went on, the IC title became the work horse ... if you watch the Dean Ambrose backstage video from Fast Lane, he talks about returning the title to that role.

The bottom line is that all of the titles are mcguffins that assist in the creation of stories.

 

[GoFishTN]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

I believe it started when the WWF ran split shows. The works champion would main event in one city while the IC title was defended in another.

As time went on, the IC title became the work horse ... if you watch the Dean Ambrose backstage video from Fast Lane, he talks about returning the title to that role.

The bottom line is that all of the titles are mcguffins that assist in the creation of stories.

Do you want David Arquette as champion? Because that's how you get David Arquette as champion.

 

[OC Zed]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

In years goneby, the IC scene was often where they let some young guys grow up and establish themselves before moving on to the WWF title chase. They actually had quality feuds over the belt.

Now it's just a cluster #### with no meaningful booking.

I dare say, that a a title, it was more over than the World title. You KNEW Hogan was never losing, but the IC belt changed hands on house shows often enough that there was drama and heat in every match. Seeing a title change meant something. Add to that it was the title that by virtue of mic work, ring work or "cool heel"ness was the IC belt. Honkytonk went against all of that, but eventually you had to respect his pure heel heat and he probably drew the biggest money as an IC champion.

To me it died when they put the belt on Road Dog in 96 or 97.

Hey Bro, it's "Dogg" with two "g"s. Show some respect.

Austin, Rock and HHH did put a lot of the luster back on that belt in the late 90s before they rose to world title contender status. But after that, ya, it fell by the wayside along with the tag team division.

 

[Hoos First]

Guy gives his girlfriend WWE finishers (into a pool)

ETA: Girl is wearing yoga pants; fire up the batsignal for Jon_mx and Tom234e2304.

Guy gives his girlfriend WWE finishers (into a pool)

ETA: Girl is wearing yoga pants; fire up the batsignal for Jon_mx and Tom234e2304.

Might be funnier

http://youtu.be/yke_BRK18pI

So awesome

 

[Tom Servo]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

I believe it started when the WWF ran split shows. The works champion would main event in one city while the IC title was defended in another.

WWF North American Heavyweight Champion Pat Patterson became the inaugural champion on September 1, 1979. It was said he had unified his title with a South American Heavyweight Championship, in a tournament in Rio de Janeiro,[8] though this tournament was never actually held.

 

[D in the D]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

I believe it started when the WWF ran split shows. The works champion would main event in one city while the IC title was defended in another.

WWF North American Heavyweight Champion Pat Patterson became the inaugural champion on September 1, 1979. It was said he had unified his title with a South American Heavyweight Championship, in a tournament in Rio de Janeiro,%5B8%5D though this tournament was never actually held.

I love how in the days prior to the internet that they just flat out made **** up. Shawn Michaels got beat up by a bunch of Navy seals, etc etc.

 

[Smack Tripper]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

I believe it started when the WWF ran split shows. The works champion would main event in one city while the IC title was defended in another.

WWF North American Heavyweight Champion Pat Patterson became the inaugural champion on September 1, 1979. It was said he had unified his title with a South American Heavyweight Championship, in a tournament in Rio de Janeiro,%5B8%5D though this tournament was never actually held.

I love how in the days prior to the internet that they just flat out made **** up. Shawn Michaels got beat up by a bunch of Navy seals, etc etc.

Michaels was jumped. Don't know about seals but there a police report and local press on it

 

[travdogg]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

I believe it started when the WWF ran split shows. The works champion would main event in one city while the IC title was defended in another.

WWF North American Heavyweight Champion Pat Patterson became the inaugural champion on September 1, 1979. It was said he had unified his title with a South American Heavyweight Championship, in a tournament in Rio de Janeiro,%5B8%5D though this tournament was never actually held.

I love how in the days prior to the internet that they just flat out made **** up. Shawn Michaels got beat up by a bunch of Navy seals, etc etc.

Michaels was jumped. Don't know about seals but there a police report and local press on it

According to either Hall or Nash, it was 6-7 Marines, because Michaels was putting the move on one of their girlfriends. At the time Michaels was traveling with Sid, who according to the story was taking a deuce during the whole thing, and when he came out the Marines bailed, leaving a bloodied Michaels behind, because really even with 6 or 7-1 odds, I wouldn't mess with mid-90's Sid.

 

[Bogart]

Finished WMIII last night and got started with IV. The production values continue to increase exponentially.

The battle royal to start off IV felt like they gathered every wrestler, with the exception of The Hart Foundation, from the last few years that they knew weren't going to get over going forward and give them one last big paycheck. Congrats Bad News Brown.

Everyone Vince was counting on going forward was in the tourney for the vacant title.

 

[ScottNorwood]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

I believe it started when the WWF ran split shows. The works champion would main event in one city while the IC title was defended in another.

WWF North American Heavyweight Champion Pat Patterson became the inaugural champion on September 1, 1979. It was said he had unified his title with a South American Heavyweight Championship, in a tournament in Rio de Janeiro,%5B8%5D though this tournament was never actually held.

I love how in the days prior to the internet that they just flat out made **** up. Shawn Michaels got beat up by a bunch of Navy seals, etc etc.

Michaels was jumped. Don't know about seals but there a police report and local press on it

According to either Hall or Nash, it was 6-7 Marines, because Michaels was putting the move on one of their girlfriends. At the time Michaels was traveling with Sid, who according to the story was taking a deuce during the whole thing, and when he came out the Marines bailed, leaving a bloodied Michaels behind, because really even with 6 or 7-1 odds, I wouldn't mess with mid-90's Sid.

Right - Sid had many flaws as a wrestler, but by god was he a terrifying dude

 

[GoFishTN]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

I believe it started when the WWF ran split shows. The works champion would main event in one city while the IC title was defended in another.

WWF North American Heavyweight Champion Pat Patterson became the inaugural champion on September 1, 1979. It was said he had unified his title with a South American Heavyweight Championship, in a tournament in Rio de Janeiro,%5B8%5D though this tournament was never actually held.

I love how in the days prior to the internet that they just flat out made **** up. Shawn Michaels got beat up by a bunch of Navy seals, etc etc.

Michaels was jumped. Don't know about seals but there a police report and local press on it

According to either Hall or Nash, it was 6-7 Marines, because Michaels was putting the move on one of their girlfriends. At the time Michaels was traveling with Sid, who according to the story was taking a deuce during the whole thing, and when he came out the Marines bailed, leaving a bloodied Michaels behind, because really even with 6 or 7-1 odds, I wouldn't mess with mid-90's Sid.

I've heard it was really one guy, but who knows for sure.

 

[OC Zed]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

I believe it started when the WWF ran split shows. The works champion would main event in one city while the IC title was defended in another.

WWF North American Heavyweight Champion Pat Patterson became the inaugural champion on September 1, 1979. It was said he had unified his title with a South American Heavyweight Championship, in a tournament in Rio de Janeiro,%5B8%5D though this tournament was never actually held.

I love how in the days prior to the internet that they just flat out made **** up. Shawn Michaels got beat up by a bunch of Navy seals, etc etc.

Michaels was jumped. Don't know about seals but there a police report and local press on it

According to either Hall or Nash, it was 6-7 Marines, because Michaels was putting the move on one of their girlfriends. At the time Michaels was traveling with Sid, who according to the story was taking a deuce during the whole thing, and when he came out the Marines bailed, leaving a bloodied Michaels behind, because really even with 6 or 7-1 odds, I wouldn't mess with mid-90's Sid.

Right - Sid had many flaws as a wrestler, but by god was he a terrifying dude

...and a world class softball player.

 

[SlaX]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

I believe it started when the WWF ran split shows. The works champion would main event in one city while the IC title was defended in another.

WWF North American Heavyweight Champion Pat Patterson became the inaugural champion on September 1, 1979. It was said he had unified his title with a South American Heavyweight Championship, in a tournament in Rio de Janeiro,%5B8%5D though this tournament was never actually held.

I love how in the days prior to the internet that they just flat out made **** up. Shawn Michaels got beat up by a bunch of Navy seals, etc etc.

Michaels was jumped. Don't know about seals but there a police report and local press on it

According to either Hall or Nash, it was 6-7 Marines, because Michaels was putting the move on one of their girlfriends. At the time Michaels was traveling with Sid, who according to the story was taking a deuce during the whole thing, and when he came out the Marines bailed, leaving a bloodied Michaels behind, because really even with 6 or 7-1 odds, I wouldn't mess with mid-90's Sid.

Right - Sid had many flaws as a wrestler, but by god was he a terrifying dude

...and a world class softball player.

I hear he's pretty badass with a squeegee, too.

 

[Tom Servo]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

I believe it started when the WWF ran split shows. The works champion would main event in one city while the IC title was defended in another.

WWF North American Heavyweight Champion Pat Patterson became the inaugural champion on September 1, 1979. It was said he had unified his title with a South American Heavyweight Championship, in a tournament in Rio de Janeiro,%5B8%5D though this tournament was never actually held.

I love how in the days prior to the internet that they just flat out made **** up. Shawn Michaels got beat up by a bunch of Navy seals, etc etc.

Michaels was jumped. Don't know about seals but there a police report and local press on it

Back then, SM needed a few lot of lumps pounded into him.

 

[Village Idiot]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

I believe it started when the WWF ran split shows. The works champion would main event in one city while the IC title was defended in another.

WWF North American Heavyweight Champion Pat Patterson became the inaugural champion on September 1, 1979. It was said he had unified his title with a South American Heavyweight Championship, in a tournament in Rio de Janeiro,%5B8%5D though this tournament was never actually held.

I love how in the days prior to the internet that they just flat out made **** up. Shawn Michaels got beat up by a bunch of Navy seals, etc etc.

Michaels was jumped. Don't know about seals but there a police report and local press on it

According to either Hall or Nash, it was 6-7 Marines, because Michaels was putting the move on one of their girlfriends. At the time Michaels was traveling with Sid, who according to the story was taking a deuce during the whole thing, and when he came out the Marines bailed, leaving a bloodied Michaels behind, because really even with 6 or 7-1 odds, I wouldn't mess with mid-90's Sid.

Sid used to sometimes work out at a local gym I went to.

I saw him there in the early 2000's and he was still a very large man and in very good shape.

I'm 6'1" and the top of my head came up to somewhere on Sid's chest.

 

[D in the D]

The intercontinental title never made sense to me. It's a title for guys that aren't quite good enough to wrestle in the main event. What's the point?

I believe it started when the WWF ran split shows. The works champion would main event in one city while the IC title was defended in another.

WWF North American Heavyweight Champion Pat Patterson became the inaugural champion on September 1, 1979. It was said he had unified his title with a South American Heavyweight Championship, in a tournament in Rio de Janeiro,%5B8%5D though this tournament was never actually held.

I love how in the days prior to the internet that they just flat out made **** up. Shawn Michaels got beat up by a bunch of Navy seals, etc etc.

Michaels was jumped. Don't know about seals but there a police report and local press on it

I have no doubt he was in a fight. I assumed they exaggerated details. "made **** up" might be a stretch in this example.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

WWE head trainer Bill Demott "I didn't do anything wrong but I'm going to resign to avoid the company any further embarassment"

Smoke.....Fire. Really looks bad on WWE for their 'investigation' into the matter.

 

[travdogg]

WWE head trainer Bill Demott "I didn't do anything wrong but I'm going to resign to avoid the company any further embarassment"

Smoke.....Fire. Really looks bad on WWE for their 'investigation' into the matter.

It is about time. That guy was an embarrassment for some time. Heard Albert is going to replace him.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Finished WMIII last night and got started with IV. The production values continue to increase exponentially.

The battle royal to start off IV felt like they gathered every wrestler, with the exception of The Hart Foundation, from the last few years that they knew weren't going to get over going forward and give them one last big paycheck. Congrats Bad News Brown.

Everyone Vince was counting on going forward was in the tourney for the vacant title.

Except the Ultimate Warrior, but not putting him in the tourney was smart since a loss in that would have derailed the momentum of building him up as an unbeatable force.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

WWE head trainer Bill Demott "I didn't do anything wrong but I'm going to resign to avoid the company any further embarassment"

Smoke.....Fire. Really looks bad on WWE for their 'investigation' into the matter.

Heard Albert is going to replace him.

Wouldn't be a bad hire. I wish they'd get someone that could show these guys how to get over.

Problem is, most of the guys that got over have better things to do at this point.

 

[OC Zed]

WWE head trainer Bill Demott "I didn't do anything wrong but I'm going to resign to avoid the company any further embarassment"

Smoke.....Fire. Really looks bad on WWE for their 'investigation' into the matter.

What's the story here?

 

[OC Zed]

WWE head trainer Bill Demott "I didn't do anything wrong but I'm going to resign to avoid the company any further embarassment"

Smoke.....Fire. Really looks bad on WWE for their 'investigation' into the matter.

Heard Albert is going to replace him.

Wouldn't be a bad hire. I wish they'd get someone that could show these guys how to get over.

Problem is, most of the guys that got over have better things to do at this point.

Half the guys on the NXT roster have already gotten over all over the world, but now are reduced to lame Vince gimmicks while toiling away into their 30s.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

WWE head trainer Bill Demott "I didn't do anything wrong but I'm going to resign to avoid the company any further embarassment"

Smoke.....Fire. Really looks bad on WWE for their 'investigation' into the matter.

What's the story here?

Numerous allegations of abuse

 

[OC Zed]

WWE head trainer Bill Demott "I didn't do anything wrong but I'm going to resign to avoid the company any further embarassment"

Smoke.....Fire. Really looks bad on WWE for their 'investigation' into the matter.

What's the story here?

Numerous allegations of abuse

I just read a bunch of stories online about it... awful timing for the WWE. This can't be good for Triple H as NXT was his baby. This company can't get out of its own way.

 

[Eminence]

I understand that due to contractual obligation that Roman Reigns is likely going to beat Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship. I am honestly excited to see the match they put together. I can't picture Roman Reigns beating Lesnar with a Spear or a Superman Punch or whatever. If I had it my way, I'd love to see Lesnar destroy the entire roster for the next 2 - 3 years.

Seriously, the triple threat with Rollins and Cena was a thing of beauty. Lesnar believably manhandled two Main Event superstars. His run with the belt has been special and more memorable than anyone elses in recent history. You literally are forced to believe that the Beast Incarnate, the Conqueror, the Beast... is the most destructive force in WWE history.

But it's clear that Roman Reigns' push is a flop. The fans are too aware of behind the scenes activity nowadays and don't approve of Reigns as "the guy". If WWE is foolish enough to make Reigns WWE Champion then I sincerely hope they are SMART enough to have Seth Rollins cash in his MITB at either Wrestlemania or the Raw after. Because Lesnar leaving without invoking a rematch clause and Reigns toting the belt around being awful on the mic is going to tank.

Rollins is the best heel on the roster. He's the kind of guy you want walking out to the ring with the belt cutting a promo with Triple H. He's the kind of guy you want to see Roman Reigns destroy. I hope WWE gets this right.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Lesnar is coming back.

 

[Tom Servo]

I understand that due to contractual obligation that Roman Reigns is likely going to beat Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship.

Yo Meltzer, title runs are not contract items.

 

[KiddLattimer]

I understand that due to contractual obligation that Roman Reigns is likely going to beat Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship. I am honestly excited to see the match they put together. I can't picture Roman Reigns beating Lesnar with a Spear or a Superman Punch or whatever. If I had it my way, I'd love to see Lesnar destroy the entire roster for the next 2 - 3 years.

Seriously, the triple threat with Rollins and Cena was a thing of beauty. Lesnar believably manhandled two Main Event superstars. His run with the belt has been special and more memorable than anyone elses in recent history. You literally are forced to believe that the Beast Incarnate, the Conqueror, the Beast... is the most destructive force in WWE history.

But it's clear that Roman Reigns' push is a flop. The fans are too aware of behind the scenes activity nowadays and don't approve of Reigns as "the guy". If WWE is foolish enough to make Reigns WWE Champion then I sincerely hope they are SMART enough to have Seth Rollins cash in his MITB at either Wrestlemania or the Raw after. Because Lesnar leaving without invoking a rematch clause and Reigns toting the belt around being awful on the mic is going to tank.

Rollins is the best heel on the roster. He's the kind of guy you want walking out to the ring with the belt cutting a promo with Triple H. He's the kind of guy you want to see Roman Reigns destroy. I hope WWE gets this right.

I have a feeling this is how it's going to go... there's only 3 mos until the next MITB pay per view and they're probably not going to want him cashing in while they're promoting the next one so it's gotta be one of the next couple PPVs or following RAWs.

Besides Reigns would get a much bigger crowd pop if he's constantly getting screwed by the authority a la Daniel Bryan.

Personally Id like to see them turn Reigns heel and work with what the crowd is giving them but it doesn't work well if Reigns is champ and Rollins has the briefcase

 

[travdogg]

I understand that due to contractual obligation that Roman Reigns is likely going to beat Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship. I am honestly excited to see the match they put together. I can't picture Roman Reigns beating Lesnar with a Spear or a Superman Punch or whatever. If I had it my way, I'd love to see Lesnar destroy the entire roster for the next 2 - 3 years.

Seriously, the triple threat with Rollins and Cena was a thing of beauty. Lesnar believably manhandled two Main Event superstars. His run with the belt has been special and more memorable than anyone elses in recent history. You literally are forced to believe that the Beast Incarnate, the Conqueror, the Beast... is the most destructive force in WWE history.

But it's clear that Roman Reigns' push is a flop. The fans are too aware of behind the scenes activity nowadays and don't approve of Reigns as "the guy". If WWE is foolish enough to make Reigns WWE Champion then I sincerely hope they are SMART enough to have Seth Rollins cash in his MITB at either Wrestlemania or the Raw after. Because Lesnar leaving without invoking a rematch clause and Reigns toting the belt around being awful on the mic is going to tank.

Rollins is the best heel on the roster. He's the kind of guy you want walking out to the ring with the belt cutting a promo with Triple H. He's the kind of guy you want to see Roman Reigns destroy. I hope WWE gets this right.

I have a feeling this is how it's going to go... there's only 3 mos until the next MITB pay per view and they're probably not going to want him cashing in while they're promoting the next one so it's gotta be one of the next couple PPVs or following RAWs.

Besides Reigns would get a much bigger crowd pop if he's constantly getting screwed by the authority a la Daniel Bryan.

Personally Id like to see them turn Reigns heel and work with what the crowd is giving them but it doesn't work well if Reigns is champ and Rollins has the briefcase

I actually think a cool idea would be for the Authority to start getting really irritated with Lesnar, kinda turning him face in the process, but more importantly, they get behind Reigns, and help him defeat Lesnar and become the chosen one so to speak. Rollins meanwhile, gets told he's had infinite chances to cash in and is booted from the authority, but he then cashes in on Reigns on Raw, to a huge face reaction, and we go from there.

 

[OC Zed]

I understand that due to contractual obligation that Roman Reigns is likely going to beat Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship. I am honestly excited to see the match they put together. I can't picture Roman Reigns beating Lesnar with a Spear or a Superman Punch or whatever. If I had it my way, I'd love to see Lesnar destroy the entire roster for the next 2 - 3 years.

Seriously, the triple threat with Rollins and Cena was a thing of beauty. Lesnar believably manhandled two Main Event superstars. His run with the belt has been special and more memorable than anyone elses in recent history. You literally are forced to believe that the Beast Incarnate, the Conqueror, the Beast... is the most destructive force in WWE history.

But it's clear that Roman Reigns' push is a flop. The fans are too aware of behind the scenes activity nowadays and don't approve of Reigns as "the guy". If WWE is foolish enough to make Reigns WWE Champion then I sincerely hope they are SMART enough to have Seth Rollins cash in his MITB at either Wrestlemania or the Raw after. Because Lesnar leaving without invoking a rematch clause and Reigns toting the belt around being awful on the mic is going to tank.

Rollins is the best heel on the roster. He's the kind of guy you want walking out to the ring with the belt cutting a promo with Triple H. He's the kind of guy you want to see Roman Reigns destroy. I hope WWE gets this right.

I have a feeling this is how it's going to go... there's only 3 mos until the next MITB pay per view and they're probably not going to want him cashing in while they're promoting the next one so it's gotta be one of the next couple PPVs or following RAWs.

Besides Reigns would get a much bigger crowd pop if he's constantly getting screwed by the authority a la Daniel Bryan.

Personally Id like to see them turn Reigns heel and work with what the crowd is giving them but it doesn't work well if Reigns is champ and Rollins has the briefcase

If you really want Reigns heel, then have Rollins cash in MITB and actually win the belt... at least 50% of the crowd would switch on Reigns and Rollins instantly and it wouldn't be hard to convince the other 50% the following week with some easy mic spots from either/both guys. Everyone is just waiting for the opportunity to cheer Rollins and to boo Reigns at this point.

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

So...WWE invests the last year making Rollins the top weekly heel, and now you want them to throw that all away? We're just supposed to forgive him for breaking up the Shield since he's a good wrestler? this would be his third turn in three years...when other guys flip flop that often, everyone complains.

At this point, I want Reigns to win the title and dominate for the next six months. All you IWC know it all wankers can just stop watching.

 

[OC Zed]

So...WWE invests the last year making Rollins the top weekly heel, and now you want them to throw that all away? We're just supposed to forgive him for breaking up the Shield since he's a good wrestler? this would be his third turn in three years...when other guys flip flop that often, everyone complains.

At this point, I want Reigns to win the title and dominate for the next six months. All you IWC know it all wankers can just stop watching.

I'm all for trying to see a plan through, but Reigns just isn't ready and a bad product is a bad product.

ETA: Also, for the record, my first preference is that they keep Rollins heel because he's fantastic at it. But they do need to do something with Reigns.

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

I'm not sure what you are watching then. Reigns has been an outstanding product since the Rumble. He's in his groove...punch dudes in the mouth, spear everyone, show something new each week.

 

[Brady Marino]

I'm not sure what you are watching then. Reigns has been an outstanding product since the Rumble. He's in his groove...punch dudes in the mouth, spear everyone, show something new each week.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

I understand that due to contractual obligation that Roman Reigns is likely going to beat Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship. I am honestly excited to see the match they put together. I can't picture Roman Reigns beating Lesnar with a Spear or a Superman Punch or whatever. If I had it my way, I'd love to see Lesnar destroy the entire roster for the next 2 - 3 years.

Seriously, the triple threat with Rollins and Cena was a thing of beauty. Lesnar believably manhandled two Main Event superstars. His run with the belt has been special and more memorable than anyone elses in recent history. You literally are forced to believe that the Beast Incarnate, the Conqueror, the Beast... is the most destructive force in WWE history.

But it's clear that Roman Reigns' push is a flop. The fans are too aware of behind the scenes activity nowadays and don't approve of Reigns as "the guy". If WWE is foolish enough to make Reigns WWE Champion then I sincerely hope they are SMART enough to have Seth Rollins cash in his MITB at either Wrestlemania or the Raw after. Because Lesnar leaving without invoking a rematch clause and Reigns toting the belt around being awful on the mic is going to tank.

Rollins is the best heel on the roster. He's the kind of guy you want walking out to the ring with the belt cutting a promo with Triple H. He's the kind of guy you want to see Roman Reigns destroy. I hope WWE gets this right.

I have a feeling this is how it's going to go... there's only 3 mos until the next MITB pay per view and they're probably not going to want him cashing in while they're promoting the next one so it's gotta be one of the next couple PPVs or following RAWs.

Besides Reigns would get a much bigger crowd pop if he's constantly getting screwed by the authority a la Daniel Bryan.

Personally Id like to see them turn Reigns heel and work with what the crowd is giving them but it doesn't work well if Reigns is champ and Rollins has the briefcase

Rollins cashing in MITB at Mania....and winning. Sign me up.

 

[Courtjester]

I can almost guarantee Rollins leaves Mania with the belt. You can already see the storyline. Reigns beats Lesnar. They raise his hand and the crowd just loses its mind and showers him with boos (if they are lucky that is all he is showered with). From the back comes in Rollins, he cashes in on an exhausted Reigns 1-2-3--Rollins leaves with the belt.

It accomplishes a lot--it give Lesnar the ability to do whatever he wants. it gives some legitimacy to Reigns for beating the beast and the crowd is happy that anyone but Reigns leaves with the belt.

Now that I say this, it makes too much sense and won't happen.

 

[travdogg]

I can almost guarantee Rollins leaves Mania with the belt. You can already see the storyline. Reigns beats Lesnar. They raise his hand and the crowd just loses its mind and showers him with boos (if they are lucky that is all he is showered with). From the back comes in Rollins, he cashes in on an exhausted Reigns 1-2-3--Rollins leaves with the belt.

It accomplishes a lot--it give Lesnar the ability to do whatever he wants. it gives some legitimacy to Reigns for beating the beast and the crowd is happy that anyone but Reigns leaves with the belt.

Now that I say this, it makes too much sense and won't happen.

Of course in that scenario, Rollins gets the biggest face pop of the show.

 

[Tiger Fan]

I can almost guarantee Rollins leaves Mania with the belt. You can already see the storyline. Reigns beats Lesnar. They raise his hand and the crowd just loses its mind and showers him with boos (if they are lucky that is all he is showered with). From the back comes in Rollins, he cashes in on an exhausted Reigns 1-2-3--Rollins leaves with the belt.

It accomplishes a lot--it give Lesnar the ability to do whatever he wants. it gives some legitimacy to Reigns for beating the beast and the crowd is happy that anyone but Reigns leaves with the belt.

Now that I say this, it makes too much sense and won't happen.

Of course in that scenario, Rollins gets the biggest face pop of the show.

I like the above scenario but with Lesner winning and Rollins cashing in on him. You can accomplish the same, still keep Lesner's "beast" reputation, keep Rollins a heel by making him only beat Lesner when he was down, etc.