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***Official Pro Wrestling Thread*** (12 Viewers)

fred_1_15301 said:
travdogg said:
RBM said:
On this entire show, there was one man that stood so far above everyone else, showing what a true superstar he is. That man....Bray Wyatt. Dominated the show with his promo. The lights, the sounds, the close ups. I really hope he goes to the top after he puts Taker over Sunday.
I actually think Wyatt wins. I mean, some heel has to win right? HHH isn't winning, Rusev likely isn't winning, a face(likely Bryan) is winning the IC match. I don't think the title match has a heel in it. I think the crowd will be behind Lesnar, and Rollins too if he cashes in, and they know it.

I think Taker is there to put Wyatt over, after all the damage was done with the Cena feud. I'd say 75-25 Wyatt wins, and if he doesn't, it probably means Rusev does. I don't buy any of this going out on top nonsense, HBK didn't, Austin didn't, Rock didn't, Hart didn't, Flair didn't etc.

fred_1_15301 said:
Why does Daniel Bryan get such an enormous pop? He's so boring IMO.
I assume you are kidding, but if not, its because he's been arguably the best WRESTLER in the world for roughly the last decade, and makes everyone who works with him look their best.
I'm not kidding at all. I can't deny that he's phenomenal inside the ring but he looks like a dork and doesn't have any charisma or personality. I just don't get how he receives an Austin-type pop every time he steps in the ring :shrug:
Well, he taps into a somewhat similar character, in that he comes across as a normal guy who just happens to be great at wrestling, he's very relatable in the not supposed to succeed kind of way(Punk had this too) He's an actual underdog, and fans react to it. Its the same reason people hate Reigns, because he is not a normal guy, who isn't great at wrestling(yet, he has nowhere near Bryan's experience) and he isn't an underdog in any way. That's also why adult fans hate Cena, because he is always billed as this underdog, when he is the 2nd most successful wrestler EVER according to championships won.

 
Any sane company would only have Taker come back to pass the torch and put Wyatt over. So, I full expect Taker to win.
It would be no knock against Wyatt if he loses. Rather, I'd really love to see Taker win on Sunday and then face Brock next year as his retirement match in Dallas. The opportunity for him to avenge his only WM loss would be incredible.
But you could make Wyatt a legit star if he beats Taker, the streak is gone, but it is still a big deal to beat him at Mania. What does Taker lose if he loses? The streak is already gone.

If I were booking this match, I'd have Wyatt just dominate, then get hit with a Tombstone or 2, and kick out easily, and just start cackling, just make him look like a monster, to the point where Taker is almost afraid of him, in a, sees him as a younger version of himself, and knows he can't hang with him at this point. Taker valiantly keeps going, but gets pinned. Wyatt stops enjoying it, and suddenly starts acting saddened, like he went too far or something, he silently walks to the back as Taker lies motionless in the ring. Wyatt goes into the back and reemerges with a casket, while the crowd is just waiting for Taker to sit up, but Wyatt just wordlessly loads Taker into the casket and pushes it to the back.

Just like that, Wyatt is back to being an extremely feared main event heel.

 
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Any sane company would only have Taker come back to pass the torch and put Wyatt over. So, I full expect Taker to win.
It would be no knock against Wyatt if he loses. Rather, I'd really love to see Taker win on Sunday and then face Brock next year as his retirement match in Dallas. The opportunity for him to avenge his only WM loss would be incredible.
But you could make Wyatt a legit star if he beats Taker, the streak is gone, but it is still a big deal to beat him at Mania. What does Taker lose if he loses? The streak is already gone.

If I were booking this match, I'd have Wyatt just dominate, then get hit with a Tombstone or 2, and kick out easily, and just start cackling, just make him look like a monster, to the point where Taker is almost afraid of him, in a, sees him as a younger version of himself, and knows he can't hang with him at this point. Taker valiantly keeps going, but gets pinned. Wyatt stops enjoying it, and suddenly starts acting saddened, like he went too far or something, he silently walks to the back as Taker lies motionless in the ring. Wyatt goes into the back and reemerges with a casket, while the crowd is just waiting for Taker to sit up, but Wyatt just wordlessly loads Taker into the casket and pushes it to the back.

Just like that, Wyatt is back to being an extremely feared main event heel.
damn, that's pretty good

 
fred_1_15301 said:
travdogg said:
RBM said:
On this entire show, there was one man that stood so far above everyone else, showing what a true superstar he is. That man....Bray Wyatt. Dominated the show with his promo. The lights, the sounds, the close ups. I really hope he goes to the top after he puts Taker over Sunday.
I actually think Wyatt wins. I mean, some heel has to win right? HHH isn't winning, Rusev likely isn't winning, a face(likely Bryan) is winning the IC match. I don't think the title match has a heel in it. I think the crowd will be behind Lesnar, and Rollins too if he cashes in, and they know it.

I think Taker is there to put Wyatt over, after all the damage was done with the Cena feud. I'd say 75-25 Wyatt wins, and if he doesn't, it probably means Rusev does. I don't buy any of this going out on top nonsense, HBK didn't, Austin didn't, Rock didn't, Hart didn't, Flair didn't etc.

fred_1_15301 said:
Why does Daniel Bryan get such an enormous pop? He's so boring IMO.
I assume you are kidding, but if not, its because he's been arguably the best WRESTLER in the world for roughly the last decade, and makes everyone who works with him look their best.
I'm not kidding at all. I can't deny that he's phenomenal inside the ring but he looks like a dork and doesn't have any charisma or personality. I just don't get how he receives an Austin-type pop every time he steps in the ring :shrug:
His pops aren't as big as they appear on TV. If you go to a live wrestling show he gets a nice ovation but he doesn't blow the roof off the place like Austin did. The "yes" chant is fun for the fans, which makes him appear a little more over than he actually is.

Interesting to see Ziggler go over clean on him twice in one week.

On another note, it's a shame Sting didn't get a WWE run when he still had a little tread on his tires. For as much as we complain about the WWE they could have done so much more for him than WCW and TNA ever did just with their superior production abilities.

 
fred_1_15301 said:
travdogg said:
RBM said:
On this entire show, there was one man that stood so far above everyone else, showing what a true superstar he is. That man....Bray Wyatt. Dominated the show with his promo. The lights, the sounds, the close ups. I really hope he goes to the top after he puts Taker over Sunday.
I actually think Wyatt wins. I mean, some heel has to win right? HHH isn't winning, Rusev likely isn't winning, a face(likely Bryan) is winning the IC match. I don't think the title match has a heel in it. I think the crowd will be behind Lesnar, and Rollins too if he cashes in, and they know it.

I think Taker is there to put Wyatt over, after all the damage was done with the Cena feud. I'd say 75-25 Wyatt wins, and if he doesn't, it probably means Rusev does. I don't buy any of this going out on top nonsense, HBK didn't, Austin didn't, Rock didn't, Hart didn't, Flair didn't etc.

fred_1_15301 said:
Why does Daniel Bryan get such an enormous pop? He's so boring IMO.
I assume you are kidding, but if not, its because he's been arguably the best WRESTLER in the world for roughly the last decade, and makes everyone who works with him look their best.
I'm not kidding at all. I can't deny that he's phenomenal inside the ring but he looks like a dork and doesn't have any charisma or personality. I just don't get how he receives an Austin-type pop every time he steps in the ring :shrug:
His pops aren't as big as they appear on TV. If you go to a live wrestling show he gets a nice ovation but he doesn't blow the roof off the place like Austin did. The "yes" chant is fun for the fans, which makes him appear a little more over than he actually is.

Interesting to see Ziggler go over clean on him twice in one week.

On another note, it's a shame Sting didn't get a WWE run when he still had a little tread on his tires. For as much as we complain about the WWE they could have done so much more for him than WCW and TNA ever did just with their superior production abilities.
A lot of that can be attributed to Sting himself. He didn't like the excessive sexuality in the WWE and as such would never wrestle there. Now that WWE is PG-13 territory, he can work there (to the extent he can) with a fairly clear conscience.

 
Tiger Fan said:
Holy #### that ending :lmao:
I was thinking the same thing. You have these two big, menacing guys mad-dogging each other and it ends up with a couple of 3 year olds playing "My belt...No my belt"

This and seeing Snoop attempt to flex his lack of muscles, made last night's comedyfest complete.

 
Any sane company would only have Taker come back to pass the torch and put Wyatt over. So, I full expect Taker to win.
It would be no knock against Wyatt if he loses. Rather, I'd really love to see Taker win on Sunday and then face Brock next year as his retirement match in Dallas. The opportunity for him to avenge his only WM loss would be incredible.
But you could make Wyatt a legit star if he beats Taker, the streak is gone, but it is still a big deal to beat him at Mania. What does Taker lose if he loses? The streak is already gone.

If I were booking this match, I'd have Wyatt just dominate, then get hit with a Tombstone or 2, and kick out easily, and just start cackling, just make him look like a monster, to the point where Taker is almost afraid of him, in a, sees him as a younger version of himself, and knows he can't hang with him at this point. Taker valiantly keeps going, but gets pinned. Wyatt stops enjoying it, and suddenly starts acting saddened, like he went too far or something, he silently walks to the back as Taker lies motionless in the ring. Wyatt goes into the back and reemerges with a casket, while the crowd is just waiting for Taker to sit up, but Wyatt just wordlessly loads Taker into the casket and pushes it to the back.

Just like that, Wyatt is back to being an extremely feared main event heel.
This doesn't make sense to me... Wyatt is already a top heel and the luster of beating Undertaker at WM is no longer what it once was. If Undertaker loses for the second time in a row, then the streak is significantly diminished and everyone just looks at the company's longest running star as a wash-up.

 
Any sane company would only have Taker come back to pass the torch and put Wyatt over. So, I full expect Taker to win.
It would be no knock against Wyatt if he loses. Rather, I'd really love to see Taker win on Sunday and then face Brock next year as his retirement match in Dallas. The opportunity for him to avenge his only WM loss would be incredible.
But you could make Wyatt a legit star if he beats Taker, the streak is gone, but it is still a big deal to beat him at Mania. What does Taker lose if he loses? The streak is already gone.

If I were booking this match, I'd have Wyatt just dominate, then get hit with a Tombstone or 2, and kick out easily, and just start cackling, just make him look like a monster, to the point where Taker is almost afraid of him, in a, sees him as a younger version of himself, and knows he can't hang with him at this point. Taker valiantly keeps going, but gets pinned. Wyatt stops enjoying it, and suddenly starts acting saddened, like he went too far or something, he silently walks to the back as Taker lies motionless in the ring. Wyatt goes into the back and reemerges with a casket, while the crowd is just waiting for Taker to sit up, but Wyatt just wordlessly loads Taker into the casket and pushes it to the back.

Just like that, Wyatt is back to being an extremely feared main event heel.
This doesn't make sense to me... Wyatt is already a top heel and the luster of beating Undertaker at WM is no longer what it once was. If Undertaker loses for the second time in a row, then the streak is significantly diminished and everyone just looks at the company's longest running star as a wash-up.
Why should they be protecting someone that wrestles once a year?

 
Brock Lesnar just told Micelle Beadle on Sportscenter that he has resigned with WWE and has "closed the door" to MMA.

Let the speculation begin! :popcorn:

 
Wow...so now what the hell happens?
Lesnar destroys ReignsRollins cashes in

Lesnar destroys Rollins

Seriously.... Would be all kinds of awesome

Eta... He systematically dismantles the authority and leaves them lying in the ring in a heap of carnage.

 
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Any sane company would only have Taker come back to pass the torch and put Wyatt over. So, I full expect Taker to win.
It would be no knock against Wyatt if he loses. Rather, I'd really love to see Taker win on Sunday and then face Brock next year as his retirement match in Dallas. The opportunity for him to avenge his only WM loss would be incredible.
But you could make Wyatt a legit star if he beats Taker, the streak is gone, but it is still a big deal to beat him at Mania. What does Taker lose if he loses? The streak is already gone.

If I were booking this match, I'd have Wyatt just dominate, then get hit with a Tombstone or 2, and kick out easily, and just start cackling, just make him look like a monster, to the point where Taker is almost afraid of him, in a, sees him as a younger version of himself, and knows he can't hang with him at this point. Taker valiantly keeps going, but gets pinned. Wyatt stops enjoying it, and suddenly starts acting saddened, like he went too far or something, he silently walks to the back as Taker lies motionless in the ring. Wyatt goes into the back and reemerges with a casket, while the crowd is just waiting for Taker to sit up, but Wyatt just wordlessly loads Taker into the casket and pushes it to the back.

Just like that, Wyatt is back to being an extremely feared main event heel.
This doesn't make sense to me... Wyatt is already a top heel and the luster of beating Undertaker at WM is no longer what it once was. If Undertaker loses for the second time in a row, then the streak is significantly diminished and everyone just looks at the company's longest running star as a wash-up.
Why should they be protecting someone that wrestles once a year?
Because he is still one of the most marketable stars they have... and could continue to be for a long time after he's done wrestling. Losing again tarnishes that.

Alternatively, if you give him the victory on Sunday and let him avenge his only WM loss next year, then his legacy is cemented among the greatest of all time.

 
So glad Brock resigned with WWE. I don't care if he is only a part timer his matches on PPV are high quality! Brock retains title and Reigns other family member wrestles him next year in Big D!

Brock vs Rock @ WM 32!

 
Any sane company would only have Taker come back to pass the torch and put Wyatt over. So, I full expect Taker to win.
It would be no knock against Wyatt if he loses. Rather, I'd really love to see Taker win on Sunday and then face Brock next year as his retirement match in Dallas. The opportunity for him to avenge his only WM loss would be incredible.
But you could make Wyatt a legit star if he beats Taker, the streak is gone, but it is still a big deal to beat him at Mania. What does Taker lose if he loses? The streak is already gone.

If I were booking this match, I'd have Wyatt just dominate, then get hit with a Tombstone or 2, and kick out easily, and just start cackling, just make him look like a monster, to the point where Taker is almost afraid of him, in a, sees him as a younger version of himself, and knows he can't hang with him at this point. Taker valiantly keeps going, but gets pinned. Wyatt stops enjoying it, and suddenly starts acting saddened, like he went too far or something, he silently walks to the back as Taker lies motionless in the ring. Wyatt goes into the back and reemerges with a casket, while the crowd is just waiting for Taker to sit up, but Wyatt just wordlessly loads Taker into the casket and pushes it to the back.

Just like that, Wyatt is back to being an extremely feared main event heel.
This doesn't make sense to me... Wyatt is already a top heel and the luster of beating Undertaker at WM is no longer what it once was. If Undertaker loses for the second time in a row, then the streak is significantly diminished and everyone just looks at the company's longest running star as a wash-up.
I'd love to think Wyatt was a top heel, but he's really done nothing for over a year. He beat Bryan at Rumble 2014, and hasn't won a thing since. He had a completely worthless "win" over Cena, in between 2 losses, and beat Ambrose, who loses to everybody. If he loses again, he starts to get the reputation as a loser, and he's the one who is going to be on the show all the time.

Why is the streak devalued if Taker loses again? He still went 21-0, which nobody will likely ever come close to.

It is very possible that this is Taker's last match, and I think if it is, he'd want to go out putting someone over, like all the greats before him did.

 
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Unless they turn Reigns heel (or have Rollins cash in), I really hope they keep the belt on Lesnar.
I like the idea of the Authority getting behind Reigns, and kicking Rollins to the curb for having almost a year, and still not getting the job done. Reigns would likely be WAY better as a monster heel like he was in his Shield days, and could have HHH and Steph as his mouthpieces. Rollins has been a revelation as a heel, but the crowd is dying to cheer him, and he would be an amazing face.

I also think there could be a chance Lesnar holds the title until he passes Punk's mark, because that is something they absolutely could do just to spite Punk, especially since Lesnar would probably only need 4-5 defenses to get there.

 
Is there any angle or story that can come out of an Undertaker win? To me, the passing on of the torch of the (for lack of better words) "weird guy" of the WWE would be more important that protecting the Undertaker's legacy, simply because his legacy doesn't need him to win this to get any bigger. Win or lose...Undertaker is an All-Time Great.....and while I don't think Wyatt takes a hit if he loses....I don' think there's anything to gain by having the Undertaker win.

 
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fred_1_15301 said:
travdogg said:
RBM said:
On this entire show, there was one man that stood so far above everyone else, showing what a true superstar he is. That man....Bray Wyatt. Dominated the show with his promo. The lights, the sounds, the close ups. I really hope he goes to the top after he puts Taker over Sunday.
I actually think Wyatt wins. I mean, some heel has to win right? HHH isn't winning, Rusev likely isn't winning, a face(likely Bryan) is winning the IC match. I don't think the title match has a heel in it. I think the crowd will be behind Lesnar, and Rollins too if he cashes in, and they know it.

I think Taker is there to put Wyatt over, after all the damage was done with the Cena feud. I'd say 75-25 Wyatt wins, and if he doesn't, it probably means Rusev does. I don't buy any of this going out on top nonsense, HBK didn't, Austin didn't, Rock didn't, Hart didn't, Flair didn't etc.

fred_1_15301 said:
Why does Daniel Bryan get such an enormous pop? He's so boring IMO.
I assume you are kidding, but if not, its because he's been arguably the best WRESTLER in the world for roughly the last decade, and makes everyone who works with him look their best.
I'm not kidding at all. I can't deny that he's phenomenal inside the ring but he looks like a dork and doesn't have any charisma or personality. I just don't get how he receives an Austin-type pop every time he steps in the ring :shrug:
His pops aren't as big as they appear on TV. If you go to a live wrestling show he gets a nice ovation but he doesn't blow the roof off the place like Austin did. The "yes" chant is fun for the fans, which makes him appear a little more over than he actually is.

Interesting to see Ziggler go over clean on him twice in one week.
Actually, most people say his pops are louder live than they appear on TV, mostly because the WWE uses studio trickery to make them sound not as loud on television. His pops don't seem as crazy as they were in 2013 and 2014 before he was hurt - those were Hogan in the 80s and Austin in the late 90s/early 00s level - but they are still pretty loud.

 
Is there any angle or story that can come out of an Undertaker win? To me, the passing on of the torch of the (for lack of better words) "weird guy" of the WWE would be more important that protecting the Undertaker's legacy, simply because his legacy doesn't need him to win this to get any bigger. Win or lose...Undertaker is an All-Time Great.....and while I don't think Wyatt takes a hit if he loses....I don' think there's anything to gain by having the Undertaker win.
Taker can win the match as long as Wyatt eats his soul.

 
Is there any angle or story that can come out of an Undertaker win? To me, the passing on of the torch of the (for lack of better words) "weird guy" of the WWE would be more important that protecting the Undertaker's legacy, simply because his legacy doesn't need him to win this to get any bigger. Win or lose...Undertaker is an All-Time Great.....and while I don't think Wyatt takes a hit if he loses....I don' think there's anything to gain by having the Undertaker win.
Taker can win the match as long as Wyatt eats his soul.
:D

I can get behind this.

 
Man what a pop Brock is going to get Sunday
:goodposting:

Just that he was appearing on Sportscenter lends me to believe he'll be a full fledged bad ### babyface (feuding against heels) going forward.
I'd have to think Michelle Beadle being a big WWE fan - and working in LA where RAW was Monday night - helped get this announcement out. In one sense, to give 10 minutes to the reigning WWE champion on Sportscenter (coupled with Simmons appearing on RAW) would IMO indicate that Brock is winning Sunday. Just my :2cents: and is worth exactly what you paid for it.

 
I have no idea what's going to happen at the WM main event, and I love it. I don't think any result would upset me, but whatever happens will certainly be analyzed to death, which is also a good thing.

:popcorn:

 
Brock is going to be an awesome face. And he won't have to change a thing. The pop he gets Sunday will be amazing. Will be interesting if he dumps Heyman or not. I say he probably does not.

The issue with Taker is this: he will most likely lose his last match, go out like all the greats. That has already been discussed here. Which is why I really thought he was done after last year. If his last match is next year in Texas, and he loses to Bray this year, that is three losses in a row after going 21-0. I don't think the WWE wants him going out like that.

I think he beats Bray, it eats at Bray for a year, he gets even darker, takes it out on the company and they build up the rematch for a good 6 months.

 
The issue with Taker is this: he will most likely lose his last match, go out like all the greats. That has already been discussed here. Which is why I really thought he was done after last year. If his last match is next year in Texas, and he loses to Bray this year, that is three losses in a row after going 21-0. I don't think the WWE wants him going out like that.
Perhaps it's wrestling urban legend or whatnot, but isn't true that most wrestlers end up being jobbed out in their retirement match? To have UT lose three in a row would be odd, but would anyone really remember that?

 
Wasn't it Taker's idea for Brock to beat him last year anyway? Seems like Taker is a guy who knows what's best for business (pardon the pun)

 
Here's my own fantasy booking idea - not as involved or long-term as Bogie.

Lesnar retains - Rollins tries to cash in but Lesnar looks to strong after the match and scares off Rollins.

Rollins slowly falls out of favor with the Authority. They've hitched their wagon to Lesnar and Rollins becomes an afterthought.

Rollins, feeling like a forgotten man starts to be a pain in the Authority's side - slowly turns face

Still no sign of weakness from Lesnar - Rollins is forced to cash his MITB in on the last possible day - MITB 2015.

Rollins loses the match, but performs well enough to leave Lesnar in a weakened state - allowing the winner of the MITB match, earlier that night, to cash in and win the title. (could be anyone really, Bryan, Wyatt, etc). Whoever is hottest at that point.

 
Wasn't it Taker's idea for Brock to beat him last year anyway? Seems like Taker is a guy who knows what's best for business (pardon the pun)
There are conflicting reports about that... the consensus is that it was Vince's idea and he gave Undertaker the right to veto it. The final decision was made a day or two before the match.

 
I'm sorry, but if Taker can't even show for a one week build, shouldn't this be his last Wrestlemania?

Taker and Lesnar both were featured in the build last year, but the build this year hasn't shown him once IIRC.

This needs to be his last match, as anathmatic as that thought may be.

 
I'm sorry, but if Taker can't even show for a one week build, shouldn't this be his last Wrestlemania?

Taker and Lesnar both were featured in the build last year, but the build this year hasn't shown him once IIRC.

This needs to be his last match, as anathmatic as that thought may be.
Last year should've been his last match. And 5 years ago should've been Sting's last match. No interest in seeing their old balls in the ring.

 
I'm sorry, but if Taker can't even show for a one week build, shouldn't this be his last Wrestlemania?

Taker and Lesnar both were featured in the build last year, but the build this year hasn't shown him once IIRC.

This needs to be his last match, as anathmatic as that thought may be.
I think it was smart not to show Undertaker in the build-up. Who knows what he looks like right now, so any appearance from him may have lessened the hype. Rather, his absence adds to the intrigue.

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
Thunderlips said:
Is there any angle or story that can come out of an Undertaker win? To me, the passing on of the torch of the (for lack of better words) "weird guy" of the WWE would be more important that protecting the Undertaker's legacy, simply because his legacy doesn't need him to win this to get any bigger. Win or lose...Undertaker is an All-Time Great.....and while I don't think Wyatt takes a hit if he loses....I don' think there's anything to gain by having the Undertaker win.
Taker can win the match as long as Wyatt eats his soul.
The great thing about Wyatt is that he doesn't even need wins, as long as the story from the match advances his character in some way. They could have Taker beat him to death, carry him out of the ring in a coffin, give him a month or two off, then have him come back and start cutting promos about how he's been to hell and fought the devil and it's only made him stronger or whatever. It would be awesome.

 
Reigns came off very cool on Conan last night. Nice suit, confident, composed. Maybe they should stop scripting him so much.

 

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