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DJackson10 said:
You got a really bad source or they are intentionally feeding you bad info. Unless plans changed it's Drew McIntyre vs Cena. Also Disagree on Bryan making Kofi legit. I saw Kofi wrestle 3 three times with in a year before going to WWE the last about 6 months before he signed. Dude is a legit talent. I'm so sick of the new day I just wish they'd break them up. Woods and Kofi are so much more talented. Kofi was put in Mustafa Ali's role. Ali's eye injury was much worse then expected. Ali was suppose to have the Kofi spot from last weeks Smackdown. 

Black is fairly solid on the Mic when not scripted. Lio Rush has huge heat on him backstage. Sounds like he comes off like a #### like Enzo among other things. Difficult to work with etc. Apparently his punishment was taking the pin in the 3 way for the IC belt. 
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My source has never been incorrect. It is someone with direct knowledge of the situation. The plan as of this morning is Daniel Bryan vs. John Cena. Plan can always change.

 
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Craig_MiamiFL said:
My source has never been incorrect. It is someone with direct knowledge of the situation. The plan as of this morning is Daniel Bryan vs. John Cena. Plan can always change.
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I'll have to double check that with mine guys then. Last I heard it was suppose to be Drew McIntyre vs Cena. original plan was Cena vs Lars until Lars went AWOL so they had Drew do the promo on Cena at RAW when he came back to set something possible up similar to what they did a few weeks ago with Lashley going after Lesnar in case Seth can't go. I mean I haven't heard anything today from anyone including my co worker who semi works WWE when they come to town. Hopefully he'll have some stuff for me in 2 weeks when he works the Raw Philly show. I just texted One of my sources and DM'd another. It could have changed and they are just getting 2nd and third confirmation for it 

 
Also Meltzer today said word for word what my source told me about the Buck's negotiations with WWE today including the Adam Paige NXT stuff. 

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
My source has never been incorrect. It is someone with direct knowledge of the situation. The plan as of this morning is Daniel Bryan vs. John Cena. Plan can always change.
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One of my guys says it haves been decided but Kofi is getting a ton of push in back from Creative and Triple H

 
Au revoir, Tye Dillinger.

This is an example of someone who I think AEW shouldn't sign unless there is a really good plan.

 
Two guys fighting over who has better spoiler "sources" is the most internet pro wrestling discussion ever. 

Proposal to have this be a "spoiler" free zone through Mania. 

 
Elias deserves better.

WAY too much Corbine.

Really missing Reigns.

Way too much female stuff.

Whatever happened To Demon Balor?

Dean????

Obviously New Japan is far better when it comes to in ring actin but they just don't have personalities now that Omega is gone.

 
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Sounds like NXT guys were brought up because WWE had to change the script. Seth is more injured then they originally thought but the belief is he can be cleared to wrestle for mania. At this point I'd be shocked if Brock with Seth's injury history doesn't retain. Could see an angle on RAW the next night (as Hunter is suppose to take over for Vince and the HHH vs Batista match is suppose to be for some sort of control of the company to write Vince off to go do XFL) where Hunter comes out tells Heyman and Brock he has to defend the title tonight because things are changing. Basically says Brock can't come and go as he pleases and the title needs to be defended routinely no more of this I'll fight when I want too. Possible he brings Drew out or someone to face Brock in the Main Event and Lesnar drops the title. 

Either way the NXT guys were brought up because RAW on Monday was suppose to be all about Seth Rollins. Kick off RAW with him and have him in a few segments including the ending But Seth again is more injured then the thought. 

 
Also Joey Ryan made some waves on Twitter and a few wrestlers including MVP called him out for it. Ryan made a tweet late yesterday around 2:30 in the morning Eastern time basically saying back in the day WWE told their wrestlers and workers to treat the new guys especially coming from the Indies like dirt. This is some what true as Punk talked about this to a degree after walking out. However Ryan then said the E guys are now coming for their Indies money and they should be careful. MVP put him on blast 

Here's the tweet

"When I started wrestling, WWE roster guys were told “these indie guys are coming for your jobs” so as extra talent, we got treated like dirt. Now these WWE roster guys are quitting their jobs and coming for our indie money."

Sorry Joey but these guys leaving are not part of the guys you are talking about. This is coming from a guy who makes a mockery of the business with a finishing move with his ####. Sorry there's being shocking and sleazy but Joey Ryan crosses the line in the business. These guys are quitting for more creative freedom plus a few of them aren't even being put on TV. No Joey they aren't coming for "your Money".  

 
DJackson10 said:
Also Joey Ryan made some waves on Twitter and a few wrestlers including MVP called him out for it. Ryan made a tweet late yesterday around 2:30 in the morning Eastern time basically saying back in the day WWE told their wrestlers and workers to treat the new guys especially coming from the Indies like dirt. This is some what true as Punk talked about this to a degree after walking out. However Ryan then said the E guys are now coming for their Indies money and they should be careful. MVP put him on blast 

Here's the tweet

"When I started wrestling, WWE roster guys were told “these indie guys are coming for your jobs” so as extra talent, we got treated like dirt. Now these WWE roster guys are quitting their jobs and coming for our indie money."

Sorry Joey but these guys leaving are not part of the guys you are talking about. This is coming from a guy who makes a mockery of the business with a finishing move with his ####. Sorry there's being shocking and sleazy but Joey Ryan crosses the line in the business. These guys are quitting for more creative freedom plus a few of them aren't even being put on TV. No Joey they aren't coming for "your Money".  
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This is rich coming from a guy who practically stole money from the E back in the day.

 
Tom Servo said:
This is rich coming from a guy who practically stole money from the E back in the day.
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Yep his last dark match was in 2013. It sounds like he's jealous that he's become more irrelevant by the day as people move on from his gimmick. says a lot about him too when he couldn't get over in lucha Underground either with the bosses behind the scenes

 
Tom Servo said:
May mean something...or nothing.
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THere's plans for Dean and Roman to get somehow involved at Mania for Seth to win the title. Roman won't be cleared for any bumps r Physicality but they want him at Ring side. Dean might be persuaded to be at ring side doesn't make a final decision on RAW but then makes a surprise appearance during match where he distracts Brock and Seth wins that way. Roman is probably announcing he'll be in Seth's corner come Mania. Thats what this is really all about. Not really a health update but thats always welcomed. I'm sure he'll give one just a cover for what the actual plans are. 

Also Dream is getting the call after mania night after non the less

Sounds like Dutt Helms and Double J are some big mouths for Triple H. Expect Boras to be in this group soon. Expect less of The Lesnar/Big Slow types as well. Once Mania ends the new boss is in charge AKA Triple H Paul Levasque and WWE is literally gonna get shaken Up. It's also why there's been rumors of talent releases after mania. Vince stopped the typical yearly releases as WWE started to get more money elsewhere and he wanted to hoard the talent. Hunter wants to do things differently. Cut the fat, make changes where needed and put out a respectable product all can enjoy. I know a lot of people like to #### on HHH call him an egomaniac etc but he's not. I know many of us IWC fans always thought back in the day he was just sleeping his way to the top. However listening to his interviews how he got involved with production while still being a in ring competitor and getting Vince's ear well before he dated Steph as well from what I've heard from people the dude has an incredible knowledge of the business, how to produce a show, he's involved with the crowd and current events of wrestling so he knows what is gonna work and won't, and he's very passionate about it. Former WWE employees who have left have even complimented HHH on his job with NXT and even reviving 205 live to respectability.

Another thing with the NXT call ups recently is Vince wanted to see how they'd react in a tough situation. Said to be very impressed with Ciampa/Gargano how they worked with The Bar especially after the botch where Ciampa tweaked his knee. It was the basic throw them in the deep end and see if they stay afloat gag. NXT also drew more ratings those stars for the first two hrs of RAW. ONCE the NXT guys were done the last hr of Raw Dropped 700K fans. Theres also rumors that NXT will be televised on FOX come Oct or shortly there after. So getting fans accustomed to those guys should help draw fans. 

I’m also being told that all of these changes were pushed by the new creative additions Jeff Jarret, Dutt and Helms as they were brought in to discuss the feelings of the indie scene and crowd sensing. All have been very vocal about the state off wwe. Plus the rejection of the Elite has Lit a fire of what the business is moving forward to. The theme of the discussion was why you’ve hired all this indie talent for pennies to the dollar and not have them make money for you. The result will be good quality Product With recognizable faces. They said make them happy I bet they will stay for a long run and for basically nothing...

If you expect this to ll happen over night it won't. it's gonna take awhile for WWE and Hunter knows he needs to regain the diehards trust back. Moving forward the Top 4 women will be Becky, Charlotte, Lacey Evans and Mandy Rose or Sonya Deville but Mandy Ive heard more about getting a push which is why I had predicted her and Sonya winning the Women's tag titles. The titles will be defended on all brands including NXT hence the women's tag matches on NXT lately 

Speaking of my Girl Ronda told Becky to hit her as hard as she could with the crutches so Becky Obliged. You don't have to like Ronda as an in ring competitor but you got to respect she is willing to do what it takes to get people over. 

 
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WWE reportedly had big storyline plans for The Young Bucks to "invade" the promotion during their recent contract talks.

It was noted by Dave Meltzer on the latest edition of Wrestling Observer Radio that WWE had a full storyline pitched to The Bucks with their contract offers that were made before the brothers decided on signing with All Elite Wrestling.

The storyline would have seen The Bucks lead an "invasion angle" for WrestleMania 35 season, presumably involving The Bucks, Cody Rhodes, Kenny Omega and "Hangman" Adam Page. Meltzer did not confirm that those other talents would have been involved with the invasion, just that this invasion angle was pitched to The Young Bucks.

As we've noted, The Bucks, Cody, Page and Omega all turned down WWE offers in order to be a part of AEW with Tony Khan. The Wrestling Observer Newsletter had previously reported that Triple H worked hard on the potential signings and offered unique deals in hopes of signing all of them. Page's deal was reportedly to work the WWE NXT brand for main roster money, putting him as one of the top stars on the brand. WWE reportedly offered a three-year deal to The Bucks, which would have seen them sign for the same amount of money that AJ Styles is making. The deal from WWE would have also had a WWE Network spot for the weekly Being The Elite series. The deal also included a unique six-month window that would have allowed them to get out of their contracts if they were unhappy. There's no word on exactly what WWE offered Omega but word was that they made a "fantastic offer" to him.
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Didn't I state this was what I heard from someone about a month ago? 

 
Sounds like Mark Henrey's role backstage is keeping order in the locker room. New sherif in town of the locker room. Apparently a younger wrestler was told to clean up the back room (typical chore for a newer guy) who said that wasn't his job. Henrey told the guy that sort of attitude stops now. ALeistar Black last year posted on his Facebook about similar culture things not happening in the locker room anymore being the new guy getting water for guys, cleaning up the locker room etc and said it's a lost art today by many. 

 
Codi announces Over the Budget Battle Royal is returning for DOD Updated card

Double Or Nothing takes place on Saturday, May 25 from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada:

Kenny Omega vs. Chris Jericho

PAC vs. "Hangman" Adam Page

Cody Rhodes vs. Mystery Opponent

Dr. Britt Baker vs. Kylie Rae vs. Nyla Rose

Team All Elite Wrestling vs. Team Oriental Entertainment Wrestling
SoCal Uncensored (Christopher Daniels, Frankie Kazarian, Scorpio Sky) vs. Cima and two partners to be announced

Over Budget Battle Royal
Sonny Kiss, Kip Sabian, Brandon Cutler, others TBA

The Young Bucks vs. Pentagon Jr. and Rey Fenix (teased, not confirmed)

Aja Kong vs. Yuka Sakazaki (teased, not confirmed)

* Appearances by Brandi Rhodes, MJF, AAA World Cruiserweight Champion Sammy Guevara, The Best Friends (Beretta and Chuck Taylor), and others

 
Lacey is said to have a big push as well. Her walk outs are to mostly expose her to fans to show she's an important part. There's possible plans of Asuka vs Lacey Evans at Mania for SD Women's title. The original was Asuka vs Ember Moon as both had unfinished business dating back to NXT for both. WWE is very impressed with Lacey and feel she can help them elevate as she is a former Marine and also is a mother. However I won't get too political but I'm not so sure how it will work once the public sees her social media account which is full on 110% Right wing Military Brat posting and bootlicker comments. That's as far as I'll go in the political aspect of that. Not saying she can't have her opinion just curious how WWE sees her as someone to elevate the division when her social media post tend to pull people apart type posts. 

 
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Dillinger and Hideo Itami were released today the surprise is TJ Perkins or TJP. Here's what I got on the releases. Tye if I read this correctly wants to retire as well

"im surprised about TJP, the second 205 live champ. With his release only half of the 205 champs are still on the payroll. Kendrick, Alexander and The current champ. All the rest are GONE! Wow! all three stars released today WILL BE eligible to legally appear on AEW May 25th. If they were on a 90 day clause that might have started today, that will be May 23rd. AEW first event is May 25th... about today’s releases, I have info I was waiting for. Arn apparently wanted to retire. He was getting tired of the long trips and the grind of the road. TJP was the shock. He was offered to go to the UK, he declined and see ya later. Both Itami and Dillinger were upset and tired of bs excuses they were given and decided to leave on their own terms. We all knew that as they have been vocal about it."

 
hagmania said:
Fighting with My Family was excellent.
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Good to hear. I can't wait to see it. BTW I need to redact something I said last night or so. Arn Anderson was released as well. He's apparently retiring Tye Dillinger who's real last name is Arinell I thought was being referred to. Didn't realized Double A was also released. 

 
Earlier today WWE rehired Bruce Prichard as a creative member. Full time Vincent Kennedy McMahon's right hand man again it sounds like. This is really good news 

 
Apparently TJP also accused WWE creative stealing his idea of a debut on RAW and using it for Ricochet. Said he was happy but mentioned he thought Homework been copied was only a HS thing. 

 
Good ole former ROH Commentatory, ECW wrestler and Life Long Phillies fan Steve Corino went from NXT Coach to main roster WWE backstage Producer. 

 
Looking forward to TL Hopper, Mantaur, Duke the Dumpster, and the Who.

Bruce's strong suit isn't creative but at least their may be vignettes and a storyline or two instead of two people running into each other backstage or in ring and "Lets have a wrestling match!". Boosting attendance and ratings isn't going to happen bringing up 4 NXT guys with no build / no storylines to dead crowds. Didn't they try that last month with EC3 and a collection of other NXT people? How's that working out?

If they really wanted to bring a group of these NXT guys at once (which I'm  not a fan of because you de-emphasize the individuals), they should be doing an invasion angle if they wanted to highlight them. Shield worked out pretty well for them. What they're doing now really just shows they absolutely have no plans for these guys and desperate for any jolt for ratings/attendance spike.

 
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Meltzer is also talking #### on Arn Anderson on Wrestling Observer. Meltzer said Arn was released do to backstage incident that happened. There's a ton of incidents backstage that are never brought up because mostly they were from disagreements and no one gets in trouble especially if you are one the men or women that it wouldn't matter unless you did something WWE would have to release you. The True story is Arn Anderson wants to retire so he asked for his release. Meltzer use to have good sources in WWE but like Ryan Satin has become another guy who assumes things. Like Hunter said awhile bad WWE doesn't feed him news anymore. He's the butt of many dirt sheet jokes backstage by the wrestlers and producers and higher ups now. The thing to show how this story that Meltzer is saying is bull is the fact he says "I don't have full details" yet. 

 
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