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***Official Pro Wrestling Thread*** (3 Viewers)

DJackson10 said:
Hey if Seth was cheating on her I got no issue with her posting his nudes. I don't feel sorry for cheaters. They need to be exposed. I don't care if his account was hacked or not she exposed what a #### the dude is back then 
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That's fine, but why do you think that this new story will break up Seth and Becky when the cheating thing wasn't a problem? 

 
Tom Servo said:
I was going through my IG stories this morning and DDP shows up on Brandi Rhodes' feed.  Apparently, when Brandi calls DDP, it comes up on his phone with a picture from Double or Nothing where he's carrying her out of the arena.  The picture is focused on her face and the pained expression she had at being separated from Cody. :lmao:  
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I would drag my ball over broken glass for Brandi Rhodes. Keep her out of the ring though.

 
bcdjr1 said:
That's fine, but why do you think that this new story will break up Seth and Becky when the cheating thing wasn't a problem? 
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I think the more that comes out on Seth being a jerk the less interested Becky will be. It already looks like theres kinks in the relationship thanks to WWE overexposing it. Becky has been really unhappy with WWE making comments about it being real every 10 secs. She just always wanted to work with Seth in a storyline even before they dated. Plus I've heard from people Becky isn't the type who's gonna give Seth another chance if something happens with him and someone else. She's the type that thinks a person can change from past behavior but if the person F her over it's not gonna be pretty. She likes keeping her personal relationships and dating private but WWE was forcing the relationship public. Eventually it's gonna be too much exposer for her if they keep shoving it down their throats. When Alexa and Buddy were together all that time you didn't hear WWE commenting on their relationship. For yrs WWE didn't promote Steph and Hunter even though most fans knew they were. The relationship will be so overexposed and if more stories of Seth like this keep coming out Becky is ending it for sure. 

 
DJackson10 said:
I think the more that comes out on Seth being a jerk the less interested Becky will be. It already looks like theres kinks in the relationship thanks to WWE overexposing it. Becky has been really unhappy with WWE making comments about it being real every 10 secs. She just always wanted to work with Seth in a storyline even before they dated. Plus I've heard from people Becky isn't the type who's gonna give Seth another chance if something happens with him and someone else. She's the type that thinks a person can change from past behavior but if the person F her over it's not gonna be pretty. She likes keeping her personal relationships and dating private but WWE was forcing the relationship public. Eventually it's gonna be too much exposer for her if they keep shoving it down their throats. When Alexa and Buddy were together all that time you didn't hear WWE commenting on their relationship. For yrs WWE didn't promote Steph and Hunter even though most fans knew they were. The relationship will be so overexposed and if more stories of Seth like this keep coming out Becky is ending it for sure. 
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Alexa and Buddy weren't the top two performers on the flagship show. 

Hunter and Stephanie got married on the show before they started dating IRL. 

They've turned lots of real relationships into storylines. 

But Becky should've known most of this about Seth before they started dating. 

 
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bcdjr1 said:
Alexa and Buddy weren't the top two performers on the flagship show. 

Hunter and Stephanie got married on the show before they started dating IRL. 

They've turned lots of real relationships into storylines. 

But Becky should've known most of this about Seth before they started dating. 
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I'm sure she did and why I said Becky from what I'm told is someone who believes people can change and willing to give a chance. Yes she knew which she did say WWE does but from the interviews and how she's told the story it sounded like they were told WWE wouldn't be advertising the #### out of it like they did. She was fine with an occasional mention of it but for Cole to say it every 2 mins? Thats a bit too much 

 
DJackson10 said:
Tonights RAW largest crowd since the post-WrestleMania RAW, with only about 25% of the upper deck tarped off.
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It was a good show. And....Brock Lesnar is good for business. Please admit it.

 
Tony Jabroni said:
It was a good show. And....Brock Lesnar is good for business. Please admit it.
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It was one of the better RAWs and that's not saying much. I also think it's funny how Meltzer unintentionally got the Goldberg news. First he reported Miz vs Ziggler then in 2 or so days says it's HBK and Ziggler. Someone in WWE called him apparently and said no this isn't happened Goldberg is the guy. I'm a bit surprised because last I had heard from people Goldberg had heat backstage for the Undertaker #### up. But I think Bill is the type of guy who after awhile would be like hey I acted like a real ##### to Mark and everyone for my fault. It was hot and let the emotions and heat get to me all while Mark was trying to protect me and I almost broke his Freaken neck. He probably called Taker who's a reasonable guy and apologized and called Vince said sorry and that isn't the way I wanted to go out. I doubt if the Taker match was as bad as it was we'd see Ziggler vs him at SummerSlam. 

 
DJackson10 said:
It was one of the better RAWs and that's not saying much. I also think it's funny how Meltzer unintentionally got the Goldberg news. First he reported Miz vs Ziggler then in 2 or so days says it's HBK and Ziggler. Someone in WWE called him apparently and said no this isn't happened Goldberg is the guy. I'm a bit surprised because last I had heard from people Goldberg had heat backstage for the Undertaker #### up. But I think Bill is the type of guy who after awhile would be like hey I acted like a real ##### to Mark and everyone for my fault. It was hot and let the emotions and heat get to me all while Mark was trying to protect me and I almost broke his Freaken neck. He probably called Taker who's a reasonable guy and apologized and called Vince said sorry and that isn't the way I wanted to go out. I doubt if the Taker match was as bad as it was we'd see Ziggler vs him at SummerSlam. 
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I think its funny you post this stuff, nobody reads. Suplex City #####. For the record, I try to read it.

 
hagmania said:
I enjoy the hell out of Brock. I think they could probably use him outside of the title picture with spectacle matchmaking, but still the big fella is fun to watch.
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I loved UFC Brock just because of how much he pissed off the MMA/UFC diehard purest how he's just a wrestler and will get killed.Instead he ran rough shot in the division till he got sick and then just didn't give 2 ####s anymore. It was a joy reading how the MMA diehards would try to spin why Brock beat this or that guy. 

WWE Brock today I ####### hate. The dude doesn't give two ####s about being there or helping others get better. All he cares about is his pay day that 10 or 20xs more then most of the talent and he shows up maybe once or twice every few months. The rule in WWE Is the Championship has to be defended every 30 days but WWE doesn't even follow their own rule for that. The dude is such an unsafe worker as well. Vince literally bends over backwards for the guy. Fox wants Brock as the Champ just like they want Baylzer women's champ because they want Smackdown to feel more sporty and realistic  He doesn't pop the ratings like he use too either. 

I do like Brock a little more lately but maybe it's because he's been on tv a bit more since winning the belt back and at this point I just love seeing Seth Rollins wrecked weekly by him. Seth is good in the ring but I can't stand his whining and can't take him seriously as a face. I lost a lot of respect for the guy after the Osprey comments too and it apparently didn't go over well with his peers either. So I actually do enjoy this a bit more then I probably should.

I'd like if Brock did Spectacle Matches but I don't think he wants to do anything unless the Title is involved. A lot of talk he's leaving after this coming Wrestlemania though. 

 
As of 40 mins ago the final draft for Smackdown tonight wasn't even halfway completed. Nikki Cross, Bliss and Samoa Joe are a few of the RAW superstars backstage. Vince tore up the script 2 hours before hand and ME was changed. 

 
Bobby Trashley has elbow surgery and is out till November. I'd like to say he'd be missed but I don't think anyone will notice he's not here anyway 

 
There's rumors WWE will turn Samoa Joe Face. Roman's Attacker were most likely Bryan and Rowan and Joe teaming with Roman would then turn him. 

 
AEW 3rd taping is in Philly at Temple University. I might have to try and get tickets for this thing!!!!!! 

Ryback's former co host Pat Buck is back in WWE. Ryback started some nasty rumors on his Podcast when Buck left claiming Buck frauded Ryback and took bookings for him and other stuff. That was never true. Buck was not a fan of Ryback's constant sh*tting on WWE as most of it sounded like sour grapes and poor me and jealously from Ryback. Buck also was getting text's and stuff from buddies in WWE that him staying with Ryback could cause Buck to burn bridges he doesn't want to with WWE. Buck will work backstage and was seen on last nights episode of Raw as one of the people helping Roman Reigns 

 
Tom Servo said:
Lacey Evans profile in The Sun

I’m convinced Lacey would work much better as a face. Her real life story is truly inspirational. 
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Never would work. Not sure if you've seen her old social media post but they are literally the definition of Right wing military brat propaganda. Fans will find them and bring it up and all. Yes her story is great but there's many others like her in the industry with similar stories and it'll get old fast. She's had a rocket put on her do to VKM's infatuation with Blondes with big ####. 

 
This is interesting and trying to get more info on this as Ivelisse was announced being signed to NXT a few months ago. However I don't know if that was someone jumping the gun or what. Thought it was announced by WWE when announcing new signings too. For those wonder yes Teal Piper is related to Rowdy it's his daughter. 

AEW has announced a Women's Casino Battle Royale for All Out to determine who will be challenging for the AEW Women's Title on the first episode of AEW on TNT Jazz, Ivelisse, & Teal Piper will make their debuts in the match

 
Roman vs Rowan is being scrapped for SummerSlam. They might have Roman wrestle Buddy Murphy possible. WWE wants Daniel Bryan viewed as the most vicious and terrible (In terms of what he does to opponents) in WWE. Samoa Joe isn't suppose to turn heel either. Rumor was Joe and Roman would partner at SS to face Rowan/Bryan but won't happen. VKM being logical wants to keep Joe heel. They just want to make Joe as a heel even question what Bryan and Rowan are doing. 

NWA has also announced a weekly TV show in October as well 

 
DJackson10 said:
Roman vs Rowan is being scrapped for SummerSlam. They might have Roman wrestle Buddy Murphy possible. WWE wants Daniel Bryan viewed as the most vicious and terrible (In terms of what he does to opponents) in WWE. Samoa Joe isn't suppose to turn heel either. Rumor was Joe and Roman would partner at SS to face Rowan/Bryan but won't happen. VKM being logical wants to keep Joe heel. They just want to make Joe as a heel even question what Bryan and Rowan are doing. 
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IOW, Creative has no idea what to do here.

 
DJackson10 said:
This is interesting and trying to get more info on this as Ivelisse was announced being signed to NXT a few months ago. However I don't know if that was someone jumping the gun or what. Thought it was announced by WWE when announcing new signings too. For those wonder yes Teal Piper is related to Rowdy it's his daughter. 

AEW has announced a Women's Casino Battle Royale for All Out to determine who will be challenging for the AEW Women's Title on the first episode of AEW on TNT Jazz, Ivelisse, & Teal Piper will make their debuts in the match
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Jazz? The girl is older than me.

 
JB Breakfast Club said:
Anyone bagging on Brock Lesnar hasn't been watching his matches for the past year. He's the top performer in the business. 
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When did Will Osprey retire and Kenny Omega retire? 

 
Tom Servo said:
IOW, Creative has no idea what to do here.
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Thats an understatement. VKM has no idea what he wants. I remember when the scripts were done weeks in advance tweaks here and there when a guy was hurt or whatever. Vince doesn't even watch TV these days so he has no idea what fans want. They don't want the larger then life characters anymore they want to see good in ring action and maybe a decent promo but many watch for just the wrestling. 

 
hagmania said:
In this past year? Mox was a caged animal for half of it and Kenny has wrestled less than Lesnar even maybe.

(Kenny Omega is a better wrestler in-ring than Lesnar, yes)
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Ricochet and Styles are better in-ring workers than Lesnar, but I don't stop what I'm doing when they are on the screen. Nobody commands attention like Brock.

 
hagmania said:
In this past year? Mox was a caged animal for half of it and Kenny has wrestled less than Lesnar even maybe.

(Kenny Omega is a better wrestler in-ring than Lesnar, yes)
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Kenny has only wrestled less because his contract was up. It wasn't a matter of he was signed and not wrestling like Brock had a contract and wasn't wrestling. Moxley has wrestled more in 2 months then Brock did all last year. 

 
Softballguy said:
Ricochet and Styles are better in-ring workers than Lesnar, but I don't stop what I'm doing when they are on the screen. Nobody commands attention like Brock.
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I pay more attention to them then Lesnar. I usually change the channel when Lesnar is on. Paul will say the same stuff each time and then leave. Only reason I like what he's doing now is I like Seeing Seth Rollins get beaten down. Ratings aren't jumping with Lesnar. This Forbes article is a good read. Basically stuff like Lesnar, The Wildcard and 24/7 title are all band aids to the bigger issues. Bad creative ideas and pushing guys/girls people really have no interest in. Seth Voice and promos as Champ made him look weak to the point they should've just turned him heel because he sounded like the coward heel champ. They literally destroyed Becky Lynch putting her with Seth and then telling us every 5 mins this a real relationship. Ok WWE so everything else I'm watching is what exactly now? Yes I know it's scripted but thats just poor business telling people it's a real relationship. Remember when we went yrs without WWE mention Paul was banging Steph? Then in an interview in 05 or so during a promo Paul casually mentioned the no #### we already all knew we just were waiting for you guys to publicly confirm it? We all know about Becky and Seth's relationship no need to tell us on TV. Bringing Brock, bringing Goldberg and bringing legends back is nothing more then a band aid. You bring a legend or someone who can wrestle back if it makes sense especially if you need a young talent to get the rub and win and look legit and you build from there. At this point in his career what good is it to Ziggler to lose to Goldberg? Why are we having Trish Stratus vs Charlotte because Charlotte doesn't need the rub. Give it to Nikki Cross or Ember or Asuka. Brock is nothing more then a band aid and I've been hearing a tons of talk that just might have legs at this point that Tampa Wrestlemania is his last and he's retiring and if not this mania the one after. If things keep going how they are what is Vince going to do when Brock retires? Brining him in once in awhile just to F5 someone only goes so far. Half the time he doesn't give a #### when there just looking out for his $$$$. Hunter didn't even want to bring Brock back and from people I talked too legit told Vince and everyone "why waste this money on Lesnar when we could give a few of our talent raises they deserve or go use it for someone else." 

WWE was trying to go all in for The Elite last December and then when they all told them no Vince had no idea what to do. The other talents they wanted were already signed else where. So what does Vince do? Bring the in the Senior Home Wrestlers and resigns Brock to a ton of $$$ to maybe wrestle 4 times a year if that. 

Lesnar is not WWE's answer to their biggest problems

 
DJackson10 - you should try, maybe just for one or two weeks, to take a break from focusing on all this "inside scoop" and behind the scenes nonsense and try watching wrestling the way you did when you were a kid. I'm not positive, but I think you're a young dude. I've got kids that I watch wrestling with and when that's the lens you're watching through, it has to be 100x more enjoyable. My kids aren't naive to the what's going on in terms of real/scripted, but it doesn't matter to them... they see things for what they're meant to be. We mark out at all the right spots, have our favorites, we wonder how anyone will take down The Beast. When you see the ring explode when Big Show and Braun come crashing down, you roll your eyes in disgust. When we saw that we all went nuts. 

Wrestling is the ultimate suspension of reality. Seems really silly to me to watch wrestling as an "adult" and talk about contracts, story lines, control of the business, etc. Maybe just try going back to how you used to watch wrestling, if even for a few weeks, just to try to have some fun with it. I swear half you guys are more miserable every minute you tune in.

 
Softballguy said:
DJackson10 - you should try, maybe just for one or two weeks, to take a break from focusing on all this "inside scoop" and behind the scenes nonsense and try watching wrestling the way you did when you were a kid. I'm not positive, but I think you're a young dude. I've got kids that I watch wrestling with and when that's the lens you're watching through, it has to be 100x more enjoyable. My kids aren't naive to the what's going on in terms of real/scripted, but it doesn't matter to them... they see things for what they're meant to be. We mark out at all the right spots, have our favorites, we wonder how anyone will take down The Beast. When you see the ring explode when Big Show and Braun come crashing down, you roll your eyes in disgust. When we saw that we all went nuts. 

Wrestling is the ultimate suspension of reality. Seems really silly to me to watch wrestling as an "adult" and talk about contracts, story lines, control of the business, etc. Maybe just try going back to how you used to watch wrestling, if even for a few weeks, just to try to have some fun with it. I swear half you guys are more miserable every minute you tune in.
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Watching this year's G1, I decided to make picks and cheer for those picks. This tournament has been one of the most enjoyable thing I've watched across any sport.

 
Softballguy said:
DJackson10 - you should try, maybe just for one or two weeks, to take a break from focusing on all this "inside scoop" and behind the scenes nonsense and try watching wrestling the way you did when you were a kid. I'm not positive, but I think you're a young dude. I've got kids that I watch wrestling with and when that's the lens you're watching through, it has to be 100x more enjoyable. My kids aren't naive to the what's going on in terms of real/scripted, but it doesn't matter to them... they see things for what they're meant to be. We mark out at all the right spots, have our favorites, we wonder how anyone will take down The Beast. When you see the ring explode when Big Show and Braun come crashing down, you roll your eyes in disgust. When we saw that we all went nuts. 

Wrestling is the ultimate suspension of reality. Seems really silly to me to watch wrestling as an "adult" and talk about contracts, story lines, control of the business, etc. Maybe just try going back to how you used to watch wrestling, if even for a few weeks, just to try to have some fun with it. I swear half you guys are more miserable every minute you tune in.
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I watch wrestling for my enjoyment and not have my intelligence insulted every week which WWE does their hardcore fans like me. I want WWE to be good again but the storylines suck. I've been shying away more and more each week from the actual episodes watching the reviews podcasts of one YouTuber I have the last 4-5 yrs. The Big Show/Braun Thing was them using an old storyline so it wasn't as aw popping as it was. Also it was really predictable the way they had the ring set up something like that was gonna happen. You honestly and this isn't meant to be insulting sound like an absolute mark. I hear this all the time from WWE apologists. Just shut up and watch the product you're basically telling me. I will not I will critique what I watch and say what I like and don't like. I watch NJPW more and more these days because it doesn't insult my intelligence it comes off more real and storylines that they have make sense. Guys aren't flip flopped every 4 weeks from heels/Faces and vise versa. If you like avg to mediocre product thats fine. Just don't sit here and tell others to shut up and enjoy it too. 

Today's hardcore fans don't care about bigger then life Characters like Undertaker and Hogan. It's kind of embarrassing to watch Taker these days. He was my favorite back in the day and to see him try to wrestle today just isn't how I want to remember him. Back in the day I was also a Savage Fan not Hogan fan. I use to cheer certain guys no matter heel or face like Taker/Kane/HHH/Jericho/AUstin/HBK/etc. Today most of these heels I don't boo or cheer because I don't like their character I boo Corbin to just go away because he's terrible. Braun was fun until they started over doing the character and stuff. 

Today's WWE reminds me of 94-96 WWF before Austin 3:16 and the Attitude Era started. pretty childish and if you were an adult embarrassed to say you even watched the product. I'm not saying they need to go back to Attitude Era content but make it a little more reasonable. Let there be blood once in awhile, bring in some storylines that push the limits a bit. Like Codi said Shock Factor is out the window Man. Go more NXT like with the product. Allow wrestlers to do their own promos and not sound like scripted robots, let talent get over on their own and don't force feed us guys we don't want.  WWE is where careers go to die these days. It's all about the Indies and I can't wait for AEW in October. 

 
hagmania said:
Watching this year's G1, I decided to make picks and cheer for those picks. This tournament has been one of the most enjoyable thing I've watched across any sport.
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I like NJPW a lot. I was meaning to get into them yrs ago but it was so hard to find the content and or get the streams for the event if it wasn't live. You either had to wake up early to watch or illegally download a torrent unless you went old school and traded any rare tapes or watched some of the stuff on Youtube. Vader's stuff in Japan doesn't compare to what he did in WWF it was unreal. Watching WWF Taka Michinuka to Taka in Japan is a complete 180. I literally had to subsidize current NJPW with old school stuff I could find on Youtube and other sites like them. 

There's a lot of talent of talent in the G1 I absolutely love and just can't cheer for any one guy. I love how NJPW keeps the whole Rocky Romero hating Ibushi all these years going. How Rcoky/CHAOS vs Jay White stuff keeps expanding etc. Theres no WTF is this storyline questioning things. I find the whole Moxley/SHooter team entertaining. Yono is the best comedy gimmick in wrestling meanwhile Joey Ryan continues to insult it with his childish gimmick.  Kenta looks legit again, Moxley is back to CZW Mox I remember watching, Kevin Kelly and Rocky with Chris on commentary doesn't put me to sleep. I feel invested in these wrestlers one way or another. I love the Schtick Chase Ownens has, WWE missed on Lance Archer big time, Will Osprey is arguable a top 5 if not 3 talent in the world of wrestling today. Okada is simple amazing, and even their older talent doesn't seem like its taking away from the younger guys or out shinning it. I simple love the factions and the refs and their characters are pretty cool as well. WWE botched Juice Robinson as well. What a fun talent he is to watch. If I want hard hitting I know an Ishi match will never disappoint. If I want a great story telling match with emotion I get it from Goto and others. If I want all hell breaking lose Suzuki is your guy. The whole Robbie Eagles/Will Osprey storyline was incredible and how you do a storyline. Is Robbie with Bullet Club or not. Is he with Bullet Club but wants to stay friends with Will? Is Robbie and ELP ever gonna get along? Robbie is now with CHOAS or is? Is this just another BC ploy to get more members to turn on Okada and the faction? All types of investments and thoughts there. 

AEW same. I feel invested in the Codi/Dustin stuff with those promos and then their match. Shawn Spears after his 1 on 1 with JR I feel I know more about Shawn Spears as a character and what he's therefor as opposed to any point in WWE. Lucha Bros vs Young Bucks? These talents are pulling out spots I've never seen before or haven't seen since the Hardys, E&C and Dudley's went at it. MJF might be the best heel in pro Wrestling today. Look out for Darby Allin that kid is gonna be good. Adam Paige is talent as well he's got it all to be the Cream of the Crop one day. Y2J in AEW is amazing and putting Moxley in there as well is phenomenal. The women's division could use some work but they got some nice players there. Awesome Kong there legitimizes them. Britt Baker can be one of the top females in the biz and getting Ivelizsee is a coup on its own. They could use maybe another legit tag team, 1 or 2 singles talent Heel and face and this has the makings of a great company. I already feel invested in talent but I also want to know more about some to why I should care about them too. 

 
DJackson10 said:
I watch wrestling for my enjoyment and not have my intelligence insulted every week which WWE does their hardcore fans like me. I want WWE to be good again but the storylines suck. I've been shying away more and more each week from the actual episodes watching the reviews podcasts of one YouTuber I have the last 4-5 yrs. The Big Show/Braun Thing was them using an old storyline so it wasn't as aw popping as it was. Also it was really predictable the way they had the ring set up something like that was gonna happen. You honestly and this isn't meant to be insulting sound like an absolute mark. I hear this all the time from WWE apologists. Just shut up and watch the product you're basically telling me. I will not I will critique what I watch and say what I like and don't like. I watch NJPW more and more these days because it doesn't insult my intelligence it comes off more real and storylines that they have make sense. Guys aren't flip flopped every 4 weeks from heels/Faces and vise versa. If you like avg to mediocre product thats fine. Just don't sit here and tell others to shut up and enjoy it too. 

Today's hardcore fans don't care about bigger then life Characters like Undertaker and Hogan. It's kind of embarrassing to watch Taker these days. He was my favorite back in the day and to see him try to wrestle today just isn't how I want to remember him. Back in the day I was also a Savage Fan not Hogan fan. I use to cheer certain guys no matter heel or face like Taker/Kane/HHH/Jericho/AUstin/HBK/etc. Today most of these heels I don't boo or cheer because I don't like their character I boo Corbin to just go away because he's terrible. Braun was fun until they started over doing the character and stuff. 

Today's WWE reminds me of 94-96 WWF before Austin 3:16 and the Attitude Era started. pretty childish and if you were an adult embarrassed to say you even watched the product. I'm not saying they need to go back to Attitude Era content but make it a little more reasonable. Let there be blood once in awhile, bring in some storylines that push the limits a bit. Like Codi said Shock Factor is out the window Man. Go more NXT like with the product. Allow wrestlers to do their own promos and not sound like scripted robots, let talent get over on their own and don't force feed us guys we don't want.  WWE is where careers go to die these days. It's all about the Indies and I can't wait for AEW in October. 
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Yup

 
As described perfectly by someone else, Shingo Takagi vs Tomohiro Ishii was a car wreck in which the cars backed up and hit each other repeatedly, then the two injured drivers stumble from their cars and continue to beat the piss out of each other.

 
The first time not watching SS in as long as I can remember.  Just not feeling the product and overall the card is pretty weak IMO.

 
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