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This was so much fun to watch Brock win

Four years ago today, on SmackDown’s FOX debut, Brock Lesnar squashed Kofi Kingston in just under 7 seconds to become the new WWE World Champion.

After the match, former UFC Heavyweight Champion Cain Velasquez made his debut and attacked Lesnar.
 
The PPV lineup for tomorrow only has five matches, feels a match or two short (or 10 matches if you are AEW)

Give me Rollins, Cena/Knight, Sky, Hurt Profits and Rhodes/Uso to pick up the wins.
 
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The PPV lineup for tomorrow only has five matches, feels a match or two short (or 10 matches if you are AEW)

Give me Rollins, Cena/Knight, Sky, Hurt Profits and Rhodes/Uso to pick up the wins.
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WWE has too many PPVs as is. It’s just a crunch PPV to get to HIAC
 
WWE is desperate

While there is no word yet as to whether he will appear on camera, the word around the WWE Performance Center yesterday and today has been that The Undertaker will be in Orlando, Florida next week, including Tuesday’s #WWENXT —via PWInsider
 
Adam Cole on his Twitch stream said he’s actually scheduled to undergo two surgeries on his ankle.

He is set to have 4 screws and a plate inserted under the bone as part of recovery. Says it will be invasive.

States it’s the most painful injury he’s ever had and that it’ll be quite a while to make a full comeback.
 
WWE loves cancer Nick Haussmann also reported this

WON: CM Punk intends to return to WWE. Talks are currently taking place between the two parties.

Haus of Wrestling also reports one WWE source stated it’s a “safe bet” that CM Punk will be at Survivor Series.

This is why Phil went to WWE while suspended he was trying to get out of his AEW deal if he could go back to WWE. Hopefully for WWEs sake it’s under endeavors terms not Phil’s
 
WWE ran an angle tonight on WWE “SmackDown” tonight where Joaquin Wilde and Raul Mendoza were taken out of action before tomorrow's LWO vs. Street Profits and Bobby Lashley match at the Fastlane PLE .

PWInsider.com is told by WWE sources that the angle was specifically done to bring Carlito back, as the company has been waiting for a storyline entrance for him, after signing him to a deal over the summer.
 
I am guessing Punk will behave a lot better in WWE than he did in AEW, for one, because he needs WWE more than they need him (and it was the opposite in AEW), and for two, he likely wants to have that one last good run and go out on a better note than he would have had his AEW ouster being the end. Given how injury-plagued his return has been, I am sure he knows his days of being a full time wrestler are over, so he can go back, have a short little run and have a nice WM40 moment and get a bit of closure to his career in the place where he had his greatest success.

And to anyone who wants to argue the bolded, look at how AEW's ratings have been lately. They have had tremendous success given how they started, but you can't help but wonder if their peak is already in the rearview mirror and the downslide is at the point where there is no stopping it.
 
Ghost Rider said:
I am guessing Punk will behave a lot better in WWE than he did in AEW, for one, because he needs WWE more than they need him (and it was the opposite in AEW), and for two, he likely wants to have that one last good run and go out on a better note than he would have had his AEW ouster being the end. Given how injury-plagued his return has been, I am sure he knows his days of being a full time wrestler are over, so he can go back, have a short little run and have a nice WM40 moment and get a bit of closure to his career in the place where he had his greatest success.

And to anyone who wants to argue the bolded, look at how AEW's ratings have been lately. They have had tremendous success given how they started, but you can't help but wonder if their peak is already in the rearview mirror and the downslide is at the point where there is no stopping it.
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AEW isn’t trying to get new fans and that’s what people don’t understand. They seem fine and so does Turner with the numbers they do. Wednesdays ratings was for to a **** up on the cable end not AEWs fault at all.

Punk went to WWE begging to comeback. If they do it’s under endeavors rules not his. I give him less then a year before he causes issues again
 
Awesome WWE PLE in front of packed house.

HHH confirmed in the post-show press conference they had nothing more for or need for Edge. After seeing the crowd for Adam Copeland's TV appearances, they made the right now.

jade was in attendance at the PLE. Will be fun to watch her thrive in the major leagues.
 
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Ghost Rider said:
I am guessing Punk will behave a lot better in WWE than he did in AEW, for one, because he needs WWE more than they need him (and it was the opposite in AEW), and for two, he likely wants to have that one last good run and go out on a better note than he would have had his AEW ouster being the end. Given how injury-plagued his return has been, I am sure he knows his days of being a full time wrestler are over, so he can go back, have a short little run and have a nice WM40 moment and get a bit of closure to his career in the place where he had his greatest success.

And to anyone who wants to argue the bolded, look at how AEW's ratings have been lately. They have had tremendous success given how they started, but you can't help but wonder if their peak is already in the rearview mirror and the downslide is at the point where there is no stopping it.
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AEW isn’t trying to get new fans and that’s what people don’t understand. They seem fine and so does Turner with the numbers they do. Wednesdays ratings was for to a **** up on the cable end not AEWs fault at all.

Punk went to WWE begging to comeback. If they do it’s under endeavors rules not his. I give him less then a year before he causes issues again
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I am not sure on what planet you are living, but here on Planet Earth, businesses don't take the "we have all the fans/customers we want, we don't need any new ones!" approach, at least not the ones that want to stay in business and remain profitable. You can spin it however you want, but it's not reality.
 
Ghost Rider said:
DJackson10 said:
Ghost Rider said:
I am guessing Punk will behave a lot better in WWE than he did in AEW, for one, because he needs WWE more than they need him (and it was the opposite in AEW), and for two, he likely wants to have that one last good run and go out on a better note than he would have had his AEW ouster being the end. Given how injury-plagued his return has been, I am sure he knows his days of being a full time wrestler are over, so he can go back, have a short little run and have a nice WM40 moment and get a bit of closure to his career in the place where he had his greatest success.

And to anyone who wants to argue the bolded, look at how AEW's ratings have been lately. They have had tremendous success given how they started, but you can't help but wonder if their peak is already in the rearview mirror and the downslide is at the point where there is no stopping it.
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AEW isn’t trying to get new fans and that’s what people don’t understand. They seem fine and so does Turner with the numbers they do. Wednesdays ratings was for to a **** up on the cable end not AEWs fault at all.

Punk went to WWE begging to comeback. If they do it’s under endeavors rules not his. I give him less then a year before he causes issues again
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I am not sure on what planet you are living, but here on Planet Earth, businesses don't take the "we have all the fans/customers we want, we don't need any new ones!" approach, at least not the ones that want to stay in business and remain profitable. You can spin it however you want, but it's not reality.
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And yet Impact despite their struggles has done pretty well. All that matters is their tv sponosor is happy which from reports are very happy with the numbers. And that’s all that matters
 
DJackson10 said:
Ghost Rider said:
DJackson10 said:
Ghost Rider said:
I am guessing Punk will behave a lot better in WWE than he did in AEW, for one, because he needs WWE more than they need him (and it was the opposite in AEW), and for two, he likely wants to have that one last good run and go out on a better note than he would have had his AEW ouster being the end. Given how injury-plagued his return has been, I am sure he knows his days of being a full time wrestler are over, so he can go back, have a short little run and have a nice WM40 moment and get a bit of closure to his career in the place where he had his greatest success.

And to anyone who wants to argue the bolded, look at how AEW's ratings have been lately. They have had tremendous success given how they started, but you can't help but wonder if their peak is already in the rearview mirror and the downslide is at the point where there is no stopping it.
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AEW isn’t trying to get new fans and that’s what people don’t understand. They seem fine and so does Turner with the numbers they do. Wednesdays ratings was for to a **** up on the cable end not AEWs fault at all.

Punk went to WWE begging to comeback. If they do it’s under endeavors rules not his. I give him less then a year before he causes issues again
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I am not sure on what planet you are living, but here on Planet Earth, businesses don't take the "we have all the fans/customers we want, we don't need any new ones!" approach, at least not the ones that want to stay in business and remain profitable. You can spin it however you want, but it's not reality.
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And yet Impact despite their struggles has done pretty well. All that matters is their tv sponosor is happy which from reports are very happy with the numbers. And that’s all that matters
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Nice job in moving the goal posts, and avoiding your earlier absurd assertion that a business isn't trying to get new fans.
 
Ghost Rider said:
DJackson10 said:
Ghost Rider said:
DJackson10 said:
Ghost Rider said:
I am guessing Punk will behave a lot better in WWE than he did in AEW, for one, because he needs WWE more than they need him (and it was the opposite in AEW), and for two, he likely wants to have that one last good run and go out on a better note than he would have had his AEW ouster being the end. Given how injury-plagued his return has been, I am sure he knows his days of being a full time wrestler are over, so he can go back, have a short little run and have a nice WM40 moment and get a bit of closure to his career in the place where he had his greatest success.

And to anyone who wants to argue the bolded, look at how AEW's ratings have been lately. They have had tremendous success given how they started, but you can't help but wonder if their peak is already in the rearview mirror and the downslide is at the point where there is no stopping it.
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AEW isn’t trying to get new fans and that’s what people don’t understand. They seem fine and so does Turner with the numbers they do. Wednesdays ratings was for to a **** up on the cable end not AEWs fault at all.

Punk went to WWE begging to comeback. If they do it’s under endeavors rules not his. I give him less then a year before he causes issues again
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I am not sure on what planet you are living, but here on Planet Earth, businesses don't take the "we have all the fans/customers we want, we don't need any new ones!" approach, at least not the ones that want to stay in business and remain profitable. You can spin it however you want, but it's not reality.
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And yet Impact despite their struggles has done pretty well. All that matters is their tv sponosor is happy which from reports are very happy with the numbers. And that’s all that matters
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Nice job in moving the goal posts, and avoiding your earlier absurd assertion that a business isn't trying to get new fans.
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I’m not moving the goal post also tv ratings aren’t as important anymore with streaming services and all. I know a lot of people who DVR the shows which doesn’t show up on ratings


My point was AEW kind of has a nitch following. They would be glad to get new fans but Warner is happy with what they have
 
Notes from Adam Copeland's interview with Shakiel Mahjouri:

• It's a "very safe bet" AEW is his last full-time run.

• Retirement was a "very real option" after WWE.

• AEW talks started 9 days before his debut.

• Judgement Day split happened one year early due to Cody Rhodes, Randy Orton getting injured.

• Calls Sheamus match one of the most special nights in his career. (said it was the retirement of the “edge” character)

• Was contracted for 10 WWE matches a year, offered to do more. (Edge wanted to work more in WWE and have more matches but they didn’t want him to. )

• Admits he hit a creative block in WWE, saw Christian Cage having the time of his life in AEW.

• He's really proud of Judgement Day's success.

• Calls ending his career with Christian a "perfect world" scenario. (Adam wasn’t sure who to sign with….Beth asked him a simple question ? What’s your perfect scenario ? Adam said to retire with Jay (Christian) so Beth said, so do it.)

- Yaz
 
Sinking Ship after Punk

Dave Meltzer believes that AEW are "cold":"They are cold, boy are they cold and how to change that? Man, that's hard to do... Edge there (at Collision last night) and it didn't move a lot of tickets. Edge is a good performer and he's a good talker and everything like that but it's not Punk as far as a game changer."(WOR)
 
Bobby Roode has been removed from the active roster, and is now a full-time match producer for the company.

Roode underwent two very invasive spinal surgery procedures this year and had been in the temporary backstage producer role while he was recovering.
 
If AEW can sign these guys that would be good. They need more European talent with PAC always hurt. I’ve been a fan of these guys since NXTUK days Shoes off If you hate Zach Gibson was great chant and eventually was just more of a tip of the hat to him

PWInsider reports The Grizzled Young Veterans will have their WWE contracts expire on 10/14 and already have interest from other pro wrestling companies.

They are expected to remain in the United States, but the specific companies with interest were not named.
 
PWInsider reports the name 'LEXIS KING' was recently trademarked by WWE and is believed to be Brian Pillman Jr's WWE name.

Pillman's sister who passed away in a car accident was named Alexis. King was his mother's surname after she remarried.

Pillman has wrestled under Alex King in the past.
 
Mike Johnson of PWInsider says there’s been "a belief among wrestlers and people in WWE that Paul Levesque has pretty much been knighted by Endeavor, and he’s gonna be the one driving 99.9% of the creative going forwards, not Vince McMahon".

More details at PWInsider Elite
 
Haus of Wrestling spoke with a fired-up WWE source close to NXT this morning who said tonight will be “a very clear example of how and why WWE is WWE, and why AEW has a long way to go.” They discussed how they felt AEW had been lulled into a false sense of reality that they were somehow an industry leader by continuing to beat WWE’s number three brand in viewership.

It also sounds as if there are lingering tensions from the infamous Wednesday Night War, with the idea that Tony Khan could have run Dynamite on Thursdays and the two would never have gone head-to-head. With Levesque now squarely back in control of WWE creative and Michaels taking pride in being the best, it was said Khan “poked the wrong ones at the wrong time.” The fact this is all happening on Khan’s 41st birthday was also pointed out to me, with it sounding like WWE NXT is fine spoiling his party.

Tony Khan responded below:

Tk tweeted about joining AEW tonight for special broadcast half hour commercial free and a pic below graffiti or something on a wood wall with the words Baldheaded *******
 
PWInsider: The belief in AEW is that Jack Perry is no longer on an indefinite suspension.

Right now, the company is in no rush to bring him back. The belief is that the longer he is away, the longer it makes distance between himself and that incident with CM Punk.
 
BREAKING: Fightful reports WWE higher ups have told top talent that the company is NOT currently in talks with CM Punk about a WWE return.
 
The 5 time 5 time 5 time 5 time 5 time WCW champ has issues with Punk

Booker T speaks on WWE/CM Punk rumors:

"At this point in time right now when everything is going so great, not just from an in-ring perspective and an out of ring perspective as well as far as the company is doing great, what does CM Punk add to WWE right now at this point? What does CM Punk add to WWE?

Let's look at it from this perspective right here. If CM Punk had worked his contract in AEW and it was coming up and CM Punk didn't sign with AEW and WWE actually got in and got him and boom, I think we would have something, but CM Punk, he didn't just leave WWE.

He got fired from WWE. He didn't just leave AEW. He got fired with cause from AEW. What value does a person like that bring to your company? I mean, I'm just being honest here."
 
Punk tried twerking for WWE and they told him to go away 😂😂

According to Wrestling Observer Radio, CM Punk reached out to WWE sometime over the past few weeks inquiring about returning to the company but was told officials had zero interest in signing him.

“They turned him down. He wanted to go there and their decision was a no. It can always change, and it was brought up to me, there's no such thing as 'no forever' when it comes to WWE, but it's no for now.

In the end, it’s Vince's decision. Vince McMahon, Nick Khan and Paul Levesque. I mean, obviously they all decided that the negatives outweighed the positives.”
 
This is almost sad now at this point

Dave Meltzer pointed out that WWE has passed on Punk twice before. First pre-AEW when Fox wanted Punk brought back and Vince said no, and then roughly 10 months ago when Punk was hoping he'd get bought out of his AEW contract. So this is really the third no.
 
WWE decides against hiring CM Punk

Dave Meltzer addressed the latest updates on Punk and WWE on Wrestling Observer Radio.

Punk's intention to return to the company was reported in the latest edition of The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, with sources from his camp stating the two sides were in talks. Dave Meltzer provided an update on the situation during a special Tuesday night edition of Wrestling Observer Radio.

"They turned him down," Meltzer said.

"The decision was a no. He wanted to go there and the decision was a no. I mean, it can always change and it was brought up to me that there is no such thing as no forever when it comes to WWE but it's no for now."

"It's Vince's decision. Vince, Nick Khan, Paul Levesque and, obviously, they decided that the negatives outweighed the positives."

Meltzer noted that WWE also decided against bringing Punk back when Fox wanted them to in 2019. Punk and WWE were also said to have spoken with each other while Punk was out injured following All Out 2022.

"About 10 months ago, they were talking again at that point but he was still under contract to AEW and I was told that that would be a no," Meltzer said. "But it's easy to say it's a no because there's no chance they could get him because of the contract. But this time they could, and they decided to pass."

Punk was backstage at a WWE Raw event from Chicago on April 24. He is said to have visited with Levesque and The Miz before being asked to leave.

"It could always change and it was made very clear to me that if WWE's business went down, they know it's a card that they could play but is it worth it?" Meltzer continued.

Nick Khan was asked about WWE's potential interest in Punk last month. Khan noted that they "only have respect for Phil" and "wish him nothing but the best."

Punk also was backstage at an Impact Wrestling show from Chicago on April 29. Following Punk's release from AEW, sources from Impact reportedly told PWInsider that they were "super excited" about the possibility of working with him. NWA World Heavyweight Champion EC3 also stated publicly that Punk in the NWA would be a "game changer" for the company.

Source: Wrestling Observer
 
Booker T towing the company line and using the "CM Punk was fired by WWE" line, which is technically correct, but he had already quit before they technically cut him loose in 2014. But it makes it sounds like "Why would WWE want a guy back they had fired?" I suspect the reality is that WWE is apparently doing well these days, so they don't need him, and now Punk looks like a real knucklehead. After quitting there a decade ago and vowing to never go back, he finally tried to go crawling back and they said, "nope, see ya bye." I suspect his ego is taking a massive beating.
 
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Booker T towing the company line and using the "CM Punk was fired by WWE" line, which is technically correct, but he had already quit before they technically cut him loose in 2014. But it makes it sounds like "Why would WWE want a guy back they had fired?" I suspect the reality is that WWE is apparently doing well these days, so they don't need him, and now Punk looks like a real knucklehead. After quitting there a decade ago and vowing to never go back, he finally tried to go crawling back and they said, "nope, see ya bye." I suspect his ego is taking a massive beating.
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It took a huge hit on the failed MMMA so he tried crawling back to wrestling. Garter the first brawl out he tried weaseling his way back to WWE. Knowing them they probably lied to him so when he was finally fired several months later he checked in and they told him go pound sand.

Ego wise that must’ve inflated Vince’s Hunter and HBKs egos. Only person maybe would vouch for Punk would be Heyman, however he’s smart enough to know himself these days Punk is bad for business
 
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AEW is on the downslide. Tickets sales and ratings are both dropping, but I was told they don't want any new fans and this is no big deal.
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WWE literally stacked a developmental brand on Tues just to try to beat an apparent company on the downside and got less then 1m views still. Btw

This week, 2 active decades-long ratings streaks from 2 great legends were ended
With all due respect, until this week's head-to-head AEW on TBS vs WWE on USA, neither John Cena nor Undertaker had ever been on a WWE show with under 1 million total viewers + under 400k in the demo

For a company on the downside what does it say about WWE that they still were scared enough they brought a guy out of retirement with hip replacement surgery. A part timer only there because of a Hollywood strike, plus others from the main roster. If I was a younger talent kicked off the show tues for those guys I’d be pissed. What kind of message does that send to their development talent? I’d remember that come time to do my contract
 
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I’ll take a Chris Jericho in my company any dat of the week.

Here’s a list of people/charities Chris Jericho has donated to over the years. The total amount he’s donated must be well into six figures by now. This is not the complete list.

- $5,000 to Umaga’s family
– $2,500 to help with medical costs related to Axl Rotten's spinal injuries
– $1,000 to help save Paul Orndorff's house
– $5,000 to help cover the funeral expenses for Balls Mahoney
– $2,500 towards the fundraiser set up by Tyler Breeze and Kevin Owens for the victims of the Alberta forest fires
– $3,000 towards Rico Constantino’s medical bills
– $2,500 towards Rex King’s funeral costs
– $2,500 to help with Jerry Lynn pay for several medical procedures
– $2,000 towards the Buffalo Brothers Car Accident Recovery Fund
– $500 to help a sick cat named Jax
– $2,000 to help with former Smoky Mountain Ring announcer Tommy Noe’s medical costs
– $2,500 to help friend Alexandria Finley beat cancer
– $300 (out of the $300 goal) to help get boots for wrestler Black Dragon (Bret Komo)
– $5,000 to help save Kamala’s house
– $1,000 to help Barbi Hayden with her friend's funeral
– $1,000 to help Mandy Branson buy a wheelchair lift for a 22-year old man with cerebral palsy
– $1,500 for Superstar Billy Graham’s emergency medical fund
– $1,500 towards Brian Knobbs medical costs
– $5,000 to help George Floyd's legal and travel expenses
– $5,000 to help Shad Gaspard's family
– $5,000 towards Kamala's funeral costs and family expenses
- $2,500 to Steve "Mongo" McMichael's GoFundMe campaign to help cover medical expenses
- $2,500 to the family of Mohammad Anwar, who was killed in a carjacking in Washington, D.C.
- $10,000 to Damar Hamlin's charity, The Chasing M's Foundation Community Toy Drive
 
Danielson, Saraya and Edge took a pic before Dynamite on Tues together

Three wrestlers who were once told they would never be able to do what they love again. Fight for what you love. Adam posted the pic with a comment moral of the story, fight for it.

Edge was disgnoised with a spinal injury that had infusion surgery same with Saraya. Danielson had concussion issues. Danielson was only cleared by WWE and pushed again hoping he’d resign with the company as they feared he’d go to AEW. WWE knew Danielson was cleared by independent DRs not with WWE and WWE was trying to keep momentum of danielson away to push Roman reigns and others. Danielson turhed down a very lucrative deal because they only wanted him to part time wrestle and do backstage.

Edge came back on a part time based after talking his way back.

Saraya was injured by Botchy Banks similar injury to edge. WWE didn’t trust Saraya in a WWE ring but allowed Nia Jaxx? Just shows their hypocrisy. Saraya was cleared by independent DRs as well.

Moral of the story is fight for what’s yours and just remember if WWE wants to keep you down by god they will do their very best too.

I’m so happy to get to see these 3 all in the same ring. Also happy Adam and Jay get to finish their careers together. Hoping for one last match with them and the Hardyz on a PPV for nonstolagia reasons
 
WWE let’s bury our young talent. AEW vets: let’s give these younger guys some shine

PWInsider reports Cash Wheeler is not injured and the idea to drop the AEW World Tag Team Championships to Bill & Starks was a Dax and Cash’s decision alone.
 
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