*Official* Robert Griffin III Bandwagon (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

He will be gone in the top5 now.

 

[Chase Stuart]

If they all declare, I expect Luck, Barkley and Griffin to go top-six.

 

[coolnerd]

If Andrew Luck had played on December 3, he would have won the Heisman.

Luck while never sucking, did not put up any signature, "I am the best player in college football games," although we (mostly) took it for granted that he was the best player. Griffin stated his case multiple times (Sooners, Longhorns, Horn Frogs) at minimium. Luck MO this year would have been good not great on Dec 3 and not enough to hold off Griffin.

 

[NBusiness]

There's no way he gets picked higher than matt Barkley in the real draft. Dynasty drafts he probably will though. By march after these 3 QBs have been put through the scouting paces, the line seperating Luck and Barkley will be razor thin. RG3 will be his own 2nd tier.

 

[cstu]

Luck, Jones, Barkley, and Griffin are all going to be gone by about 6 or 7th, teams need QBs up and down the board and will trade up if they think they can get one of these guys. I like Griffin and he continues to show a lot of ability and has some sills the others don't have. It's going ton e a banner year for rookie QBs. Plus it doesn't cost what it used to in order to grab these guys so teams won't blink an eye taking them off the board.

I think one of them stays, most likely Landry Jones. He's having the worst season of all of them and he's sort of developing a rep as a choker. He's come up small in some big games. He could increase his chances of being a higher pick next year IMO. There's no way he goes above Luck, Barkley or RGIII at this point. The other factor is that if you look at all the NFL teams, there might not be 4-5 teams that need to take a QB in the 1st round. The only "locks" for a QB at first glace are Miami, Washington and Seattle. I know, I know, Indianapolis right? Hard to say with Manning's status so unclear.

Of course the Colts are taking a QB. Miami too. Washington, Seattle, Kansas City, Cleveland?, Arizona? should all be interested in the big 4.

No way arizona is in the mix, they just traded good assets and gave him good money.KC is up in the air considering the same things with Cassel.

Maybe they won't, but they both absolutely should be in the mix.

I agree that both QB's aren't worth it, but just doesn't make sense from a money standpoint.

The new rookie pay scale gives team more incentive to draft QB's early.

 

[King of the Jungle]

With the success of Cam, RG3 will go high in rookie drafts.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

looks like it's time to pull the plug on the suck for luck campaign.

time to start whiffin' for griffin.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

If Luck played another game, he woulda won.

 

[nxmehta]

This kid is good. The main question I have about him is that he takes like 90% of his snaps in the shotgun. It's clear that he is damn smart though, so hopefully he can learn and be comfortable with an NFL offense.

If he has it enough between the ears, well RG3 come on down to Cleveland

 

[jurb26]

No player in college has moved himself further up draft boards than RG3 this year. He displayed all the tools you could want in a franchise passer and is one hell of an athlete on top of it. What's most impressive about him is just how well he handles himself and likable he is. I think even the guys at Texas and Oklahoma can't help but cheer for RG3.

My only concern for him is how he handles taking snaps from under center. It can be a difficult transition for anybody. I'm very interested in seeing his hight at the combine. He's adamant that he'll measure above 6'2" but if he doesn't that will be another red flag and perhaps make it even more difficult for him to transition to snaps from under center. We'll see.

I couldn't be happier that he won the Heisman over Luck. It was well deserved.

I think we have 3 elite QB prospects in this draft, which is very rare. Luck, Barkley and RG3 will all be top 10 picks. Right now I think Luck and Barkely are 1a and 1b with RG3 comfortably behind them yet above everyone else. Barkley doesn't seem to get the recognition he deserves but the separation between him and Luck isn't nearly as large as most think IMO.

 

[coolnerd]

With the success of Cam, RG3 will go high in rookie drafts.

People should be studying how Kevin Kolb transitioned from the same system to the pros than any the fact another athletic black QB has had some success.

 

[Yenrub]

No player in college has moved himself further up draft boards than RG3 this year. He displayed all the tools you could want in a franchise passer and is one hell of an athlete on top of it. What's most impressive about him is just how well he handles himself and likable he is. I think even the guys at Texas and Oklahoma can't help but cheer for RG3. My only concern for him is how he handles taking snaps from under center. It can be a difficult transition for anybody. I'm very interested in seeing his hight at the combine. He's adamant that he'll measure above 6'2" but if he doesn't that will be another red flag and perhaps make it even more difficult for him to transition to snaps from under center. We'll see.I couldn't be happier that he won the Heisman over Luck. It was well deserved.I think we have 3 elite QB prospects in this draft, which is very rare. Luck, Barkley and RG3 will all be top 10 picks. Right now I think Luck and Barkely are 1a and 1b with RG3 comfortably behind them yet above everyone else. Barkley doesn't seem to get the recognition he deserves but the separation between him and Luck isn't nearly as large as most think IMO.

I wouldn't worry too much about his height. Drew Brees isn't the tallest guy behind center and he is doing just fine.(before anyone goes all crazy and sensitive with the "how dare you compare him to Brees" post I'm not saying this kid is as good or better than Brees just comparing thier height)

 

[candymanvandyfan]

He's going to win ROTY, I think.

 

[Shutout]

He's going to win ROTY, I think.

Are you thinking he does, indeed go to Washington (I would think so, just checking).Do you think he will have a Cam Newton type year? That was a unique and amazing run with Cam last year and seems it would be hard to duplicate. But I think it would be that RG III would almost have to have that kind of year to justify taking him so high in a rookie draft (like 1.2-16 is where I am thinking people will take him, depending on their league and team needs, etc).

 

[King of the Jungle]

With the success of Cam, RG3 will go high in rookie drafts.

People should be studying how Kevin Kolb transitioned from the same system to the pros than any the fact another athletic black QB has had some success.

Unfortunately what people should do and will do are two different things.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

He's going to win ROTY, I think.

I think he may have a better shot at winning the ROY over Luck due to supporting cast for this season.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Put me on this bandwagon, thanks!

 

[SWC]

here is an interesting dilemma who will be better this griffen at football or blake griffen at basketball i bet blake because he can slam the ball like no one else in the history of the league but robert will also be good at football except that he will have to deal with ratface there in was maybe somehow was will be late or dlayed or something and he can get picked by jacksonville instead

 

[heidbrink]

here is an interesting dilemma who will be better this griffen at football or blake griffen at basketball i bet blake because he can slam the ball like no one else in the history of the league but robert will also be good at football except that he will have to deal with ratface there in was maybe somehow was will be late or dlayed or something and he can get picked by jacksonville instead

...to the bank brohan?

 

[King of the Jungle]

here is an interesting dilemma who will be better this griffen at football or blake griffen at basketball i bet blake because he can slam the ball like no one else in the history of the league but robert will also be good at football except that he will have to deal with ratface there in was maybe somehow was will be late or dlayed or something and he can get picked by jacksonville instead

Odd Posting!

 

[Pipes]

Give me a front seat on this bandwagon. This guy as it all...athleticism, arm strength, quick release, intelligence and the "it" factor. I'm not saying he's going to put up Cam Newton fantasy numbers but he'll be good next year. In two or three season he'll be one of the best QB's in the league. We'll see how that translates to fantasy but in real life I can't wait to see him play.

 

[fatness]

He'll do the best

ever.

 

[Hoot&HoLLer]

I have to wonder how much enthusiasm about RGIII stems from the amazing rookie season last year from Cam Newton. It's almost off the chain. And Andrew Luck is the more polished and Pro ready QB in this same draft. RGIIIs athleticism is good, but maybe not as good as Newton's. He is not as good a passer as Luck. Don't get me wrong, he has the making of a very good qb, but the hype is really peaking and I not sure its warranted when considering he is in the same draft as Luck. Both will be good but RGIII love is getting crazy mad around here.

 

[Pipes]

I have to wonder how much enthusiasm about RGIII stems from the amazing rookie season last year from Cam Newton. It's almost off the chain. And Andrew Luck is the more polished and Pro ready QB in this same draft. RGIIIs athleticism is good, but maybe not as good as Newton's. He is not as good a passer as Luck. Don't get me wrong, he has the making of a very good qb, but the hype is really peaking and I not sure its warranted when considering he is in the same draft as Luck. Both will be good but RGIII love is getting crazy mad around here.

Owners who draft RGIII hoping for Cam numbers will likely be disappointed. My excitement for Griffin has nothing to do with Newton it's because RGIII is the best college player I've seen in a long time and I can't wait to see what he does at the pro level. A number of scouts would disagree that Luck is a better passer than Griffin. Luck is more NFL ready now based on the college system he was in but arm strength favors Griffin without a doubt and they are both extremely accurate QBs. Both Luck and Griffin have the potential to be great I just like Griffin a little more.

 

[Warrior]

I have to wonder how much enthusiasm about RGIII stems from the amazing rookie season last year from Cam Newton. It's almost off the chain. And Andrew Luck is the more polished and Pro ready QB in this same draft. RGIIIs athleticism is good, but maybe not as good as Newton's. He is not as good a passer as Luck. Don't get me wrong, he has the making of a very good qb, but the hype is really peaking and I not sure its warranted when considering he is in the same draft as Luck. Both will be good but RGIII love is getting crazy mad around here.

So you're basing his value on the fact that he's less athletic than Newton and less polished than Luck?He's also more athletic than Luck and more polished than Newton. I guess by your logic, that would make him better than both of them

 

[TheFanatic]

As a guy sitting with the 4 in a rookie dynasty draft, and owner of Rodgers, I could take RGIII there and be giddy.

 

[Touchdown There]

I have to wonder how much enthusiasm about RGIII stems from the amazing rookie season last year from Cam Newton. It's almost off the chain. And Andrew Luck is the more polished and Pro ready QB in this same draft. RGIIIs athleticism is good, but maybe not as good as Newton's. He is not as good a passer as Luck. Don't get me wrong, he has the making of a very good qb, but the hype is really peaking and I not sure its warranted when considering he is in the same draft as Luck. Both will be good but RGIII love is getting crazy mad around here.

This is a bandwagon thread.

 

[RGIII will lead the way]

As a guy sitting with the 4 in a rookie dynasty draft, and owner of Rodgers, I could take RGIII there and be giddy.

I have the 1.05 & Rodgers. Not sure I want to go QB at #5

 

[Donsmith753]

As a guy sitting with the 4 in a rookie dynasty draft, and owner of Rodgers, I could take RGIII there and be giddy.

I have the 1.05 & Rodgers. Not sure I want to go QB at #5

I have the 1.03 and Rodgers and will be taking Griffin

 

[League_dont_know_this_one]

I have the 1.05 and will take him without a second thought if he drops to me.

 

[rizzler]

Griffin is less athletic than Newton?

Really?

 

[resko99]

Griffin is less athletic than Newton?

Really?

Everything I've seen indicated that Luck and Cam had similar athleticism or at least measurables, but that Griffin's were Elite.

 

[rizzler]

Griffin is less athletic than Newton?

Really?

Everything I've seen indicated that Luck and Cam had similar athleticism or at least measurables, but that Griffin's were Elite.

All I gotta say is Olympic caliber hurdler

 

[Chase Stuart]

Griffin is less athletic than Newton?

Really?

Everything I've seen indicated that Luck and Cam had similar athleticism or at least measurables, but that Griffin's were Elite.

Griffin *is* more athletic than Newton, but I don't think that's particularly relevant. Newton is more athletic in the way it matters, i.e., for fantasy production. Newton's a monster short-yardage runner. No way Griffin scores 14 TDs. He's built more like Vick than Newton or Tebow. Griffin is faster and more elusive than Newton, and more athletic; but he certainly lacks the raw power of Newton.

 

[rizzler]

Griffin is less athletic than Newton?

Really?

Everything I've seen indicated that Luck and Cam had similar athleticism or at least measurables, but that Griffin's were Elite.

Griffin *is* more athletic than Newton, but I don't think that's particularly relevant. Newton is more athletic in the way it matters, i.e., for fantasy production. Newton's a monster short-yardage runner. No way Griffin scores 14 TDs. He's built more like Vick than Newton or Tebow. Griffin is faster and more elusive than Newton, and more athletic; but he certainly lacks the raw power of Newton.

I never disagreed that Newton was more powerful. but when it comes to raw athleticism, RG3 is a notch up.

also, while I agree that RG3 doesnt score 14 rushing td's, I dont believe there's "no way" it doesnt happen. If his arm shines and improves as most of us expect it to, and with the addition of good WR weapons... Well, frankly, I can see a lot more room available for Griffin to use his legs.

Though, if I were forced to predict his rushing td total for year 1, id go with 5-6.

 

[resko99]

Griffin is less athletic than Newton?

Really?

Everything I've seen indicated that Luck and Cam had similar athleticism or at least measurables, but that Griffin's were Elite.

Griffin *is* more athletic than Newton, but I don't think that's particularly relevant. Newton is more athletic in the way it matters, i.e., for fantasy production. Newton's a monster short-yardage runner. No way Griffin scores 14 TDs. He's built more like Vick than Newton or Tebow. Griffin is faster and more elusive than Newton, and more athletic; but he certainly lacks the raw power of Newton.

I agree completely with your point on Cam's running ability, but I was also referring to the athleticism of their arms (if that is the right term).IMO, Griffin has a quicker release than Luck or Cam, has arguably better accuracy then both, and has arm strength equal to or better than either (probably a push with Cam).

Am I off on my evaluation of him? Possibly too much of the cool aid here but I'm completely sold on him, and would seriously consider taking him before Luck this year.

 

[TheFanatic]

Griffin is less athletic than Newton?

Really?

Everything I've seen indicated that Luck and Cam had similar athleticism or at least measurables, but that Griffin's were Elite.

Griffin *is* more athletic than Newton, but I don't think that's particularly relevant. Newton is more athletic in the way it matters, i.e., for fantasy production. Newton's a monster short-yardage runner. No way Griffin scores 14 TDs. He's built more like Vick than Newton or Tebow. Griffin is faster and more elusive than Newton, and more athletic; but he certainly lacks the raw power of Newton.

I agree completely with your point on Cam's running ability, but I was also referring to the athleticism of their arms (if that is the right term).IMO, Griffin has a quicker release than Luck or Cam, has arguably better accuracy then both, and has arm strength equal to or better than either (probably a push with Cam).

Am I off on my evaluation of him? Possibly too much of the cool aid here but I'm completely sold on him, and would seriously consider taking him before Luck this year.

I see this happening more often than people realize. Particularly when the hype machine starts rolling in mini camps and people are wowed by his athleticism. I think Luck can do everything a good pocket passer needs to do, but RGIII is going to have more of a wow factor. And while I don't expect him to run for 14 TD's, I do expect him to get some decent rushing yardage, and probably safer rushing yardage (that doesn't get him crushed all the time ala Tebow). That extra yardage is huge, plus a TD here and there.

 

[cstu]

I see this happening more often than people realize. Particularly when the hype machine starts rolling in mini camps and people are wowed by his athleticism. I think Luck can do everything a good pocket passer needs to do, but RGIII is going to have more of a wow factor. And while I don't expect him to run for 14 TD's, I do expect him to get some decent rushing yardage, and probably safer rushing yardage (that doesn't get him crushed all the time ala Tebow). That extra yardage is huge, plus a TD here and there.

Here's one comparison from 2002:Vick - #3 fantasy QB: 2900 yards, 16 TD, 8 INT, 700 rushing yards, 8 rushing TD

Manning - #4 fantasy QB: 4200 yards, 27 TD, 19 INT

Now I don't expect RG3 to run as much as Vick (perhaps 400 rushing yards) or get 8 TD's (probably closer to 4) but it's easy to see how RG3 could become a low QB1 (~300 fantasy points) right off the bat even with mediocre passing numbers (and I expect RG3's to be better than Vick's).

 

[TheFanatic]

I see this happening more often than people realize. Particularly when the hype machine starts rolling in mini camps and people are wowed by his athleticism. I think Luck can do everything a good pocket passer needs to do, but RGIII is going to have more of a wow factor. And while I don't expect him to run for 14 TD's, I do expect him to get some decent rushing yardage, and probably safer rushing yardage (that doesn't get him crushed all the time ala Tebow). That extra yardage is huge, plus a TD here and there.

Here's one comparison from 2002:Vick - #3 fantasy QB: 2900 yards, 16 TD, 8 INT, 700 rushing yards, 8 rushing TD

Manning - #4 fantasy QB: 4200 yards, 27 TD, 19 INT

Now I don't expect RG3 to run as much as Vick (perhaps 400 rushing yards) or get 8 TD's (probably closer to 4) but it's easy to see how RG3 could become a low QB1 (~300 fantasy points) right off the bat even with mediocre passing numbers (and I expect RG3's to be better than Vick's).

That's exactly how I see it.

 

[saintfool]

is anyone concerned at all about shanny as his coach at all? shanny is unpredictable and likes to get in the head of his players. are we confident that he's going to set RGIII up to succeed - or barring that, simply not fail - in the early going here?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

is anyone concerned at all about shanny as his coach at all? shanny is unpredictable and likes to get in the head of his players. are we confident that he's going to set RGIII up to succeed - or barring that, simply not fail - in the early going here?

He just made one of the bigger trades ever for the right to select RG3, and he loves him. His job also depends on RG3 succeeding. Damn right he's going to do all he can for "his guy" to succeed.

 

[TheFanatic]

is anyone concerned at all about shanny as his coach at all? shanny is unpredictable and likes to get in the head of his players. are we confident that he's going to set RGIII up to succeed - or barring that, simply not fail - in the early going here?

He just made one of the bigger trades ever for the right to select RG3, and he loves him. His job also depends on RG3 succeeding. Damn right he's going to do all he can for "his guy" to succeed.

Shanny pulls that crap with RB's, not QB's. No way he plays musical QB every week...

 

[Hang 10]

is anyone concerned at all about shanny as his coach at all? shanny is unpredictable and likes to get in the head of his players. are we confident that he's going to set RGIII up to succeed - or barring that, simply not fail - in the early going here?

Which QB's has Shanahan step up not to succeed?

 

[fatness]

He just made one of the bigger trades ever for the right to select RG3, and he loves him. His job also depends on RG3 succeeding. Damn right he's going to do all he can for "his guy" to succeed.

I agree with this. Shanahan made a big mistake in trading for McNabb, then not wanting him all in the space of one season. Redskins fans and the owner know this. Shanahan's Redskin teams have gone 6-10 and 5-11, and have been rudderless at QB. Redskins fans and the owner know this. If Griffin fails, Shanahan will be out of a job --- not in one year, but in 2 or 3. The fans and owner know this, and Shanahan does as well. He'll do everything he can to get Griffin to succeed.

 

[jurb26]

He just made one of the bigger trades ever for the right to select RG3, and he loves him. His job also depends on RG3 succeeding. Damn right he's going to do all he can for "his guy" to succeed.

I agree with this. Shanahan made a big mistake in trading for McNabb, then not wanting him all in the space of one season. Redskins fans and the owner know this. Shanahan's Redskin teams have gone 6-10 and 5-11, and have been rudderless at QB. Redskins fans and the owner know this. If Griffin fails, Shanahan will be out of a job --- not in one year, but in 2 or 3. The fans and owner know this, and Shanahan does as well. He'll do everything he can to get Griffin to succeed.

Shanahan's idea of RG3 success =/ fantasy owners idea of success though. I think it's important to remember this.

 

[Touchdown There]

He just made one of the bigger trades ever for the right to select RG3, and he loves him. His job also depends on RG3 succeeding. Damn right he's going to do all he can for "his guy" to succeed.

I agree with this. Shanahan made a big mistake in trading for McNabb, then not wanting him all in the space of one season. Redskins fans and the owner know this. Shanahan's Redskin teams have gone 6-10 and 5-11, and have been rudderless at QB. Redskins fans and the owner know this. If Griffin fails, Shanahan will be out of a job --- not in one year, but in 2 or 3. The fans and owner know this, and Shanahan does as well. He'll do everything he can to get Griffin to succeed.

Shanahan's idea of RG3 success =/ fantasy owners idea of success though. I think it's important to remember this.

Break this down for me. What do you think Shanahan is going to do with him?

 

[TheFanatic]

He just made one of the bigger trades ever for the right to select RG3, and he loves him. His job also depends on RG3 succeeding. Damn right he's going to do all he can for "his guy" to succeed.

I agree with this. Shanahan made a big mistake in trading for McNabb, then not wanting him all in the space of one season. Redskins fans and the owner know this. Shanahan's Redskin teams have gone 6-10 and 5-11, and have been rudderless at QB. Redskins fans and the owner know this. If Griffin fails, Shanahan will be out of a job --- not in one year, but in 2 or 3. The fans and owner know this, and Shanahan does as well. He'll do everything he can to get Griffin to succeed.

Shanahan's idea of RG3 success =/ fantasy owners idea of success though. I think it's important to remember this.

Break this down for me. What do you think Shanahan is going to do with him?

Right. If RGIII succeeds to Shanahans expectations, then he will make Fantasy owners very happy. RGIII is not the next Troy Aikman.

 

[fatness]

He just made one of the bigger trades ever for the right to select RG3, and he loves him. His job also depends on RG3 succeeding. Damn right he's going to do all he can for "his guy" to succeed.

I agree with this. Shanahan made a big mistake in trading for McNabb, then not wanting him all in the space of one season. Redskins fans and the owner know this. Shanahan's Redskin teams have gone 6-10 and 5-11, and have been rudderless at QB. Redskins fans and the owner know this. If Griffin fails, Shanahan will be out of a job --- not in one year, but in 2 or 3. The fans and owner know this, and Shanahan does as well. He'll do everything he can to get Griffin to succeed.

Shanahan's idea of RG3 success =/ fantasy owners idea of success though. I think it's important to remember this.

I don't know what that has to do with what ConnSKINS26 said?

 

[thayman]

He just made one of the bigger trades ever for the right to select RG3, and he loves him. His job also depends on RG3 succeeding. Damn right he's going to do all he can for "his guy" to succeed.

I agree with this. Shanahan made a big mistake in trading for McNabb, then not wanting him all in the space of one season. Redskins fans and the owner know this. Shanahan's Redskin teams have gone 6-10 and 5-11, and have been rudderless at QB. Redskins fans and the owner know this. If Griffin fails, Shanahan will be out of a job --- not in one year, but in 2 or 3. The fans and owner know this, and Shanahan does as well. He'll do everything he can to get Griffin to succeed.

Shanahan's idea of RG3 success =/ fantasy owners idea of success though. I think it's important to remember this.

Break this down for me. What do you think Shanahan is going to do with him?

Win a lot of games.

 

[jurb26]

He just made one of the bigger trades ever for the right to select RG3, and he loves him. His job also depends on RG3 succeeding. Damn right he's going to do all he can for "his guy" to succeed.

I agree with this. Shanahan made a big mistake in trading for McNabb, then not wanting him all in the space of one season. Redskins fans and the owner know this. Shanahan's Redskin teams have gone 6-10 and 5-11, and have been rudderless at QB. Redskins fans and the owner know this. If Griffin fails, Shanahan will be out of a job --- not in one year, but in 2 or 3. The fans and owner know this, and Shanahan does as well. He'll do everything he can to get Griffin to succeed.

Shanahan's idea of RG3 success =/ fantasy owners idea of success though. I think it's important to remember this.

I don't know what that has to do with what ConnSKINS26 said?

This is a fantasy board. Many people think "succeed" means in a fantasy context. QBs can play very well in "real" football terms and be very underwhelming in fantasy. People seem to have awful high expectations for RG3. I think too high. A lot of that is based on the success Cam had last year and now people are transfering that success over to RG3 expectations because he too is an "athletic" QB. I think Shanny would be happy if his QB simply didtn' turn the ball over a lot in his rookie season and used a conservative game plan. After all, he is a rookie and he is coming from a spread offense. There will be a learning curve. Wash has a solid D that they should be able to lean on to win games if the offense can control a little bit of tempo and not turn the ball over.