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*** Official *** Rogue One - A Star Wars Story (1 Viewer)

Daywalker said:
The criticism of Phantom Menace is all warranted IMO but got to say it was one of the most memorable times I ever went to a movie.

Opening night after 15 years of waiting.  This is finally happening.  People flipping out over every title credit.  It was solid and we all wanted to like it.
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Kinda sounds like force awakens

 
Going again for the 2nd time tomorrow for my birthday. Hope to enjoy it more the 2nd time around. I think i may have been too critical the first time.

 
Leia's ship entered hyperspace at the end of Rogue One. Yes Vader obviously tracks it down by the beginning of ANH but I don't think they know for sure that it's the same ship. From what I understand that particular ship is pretty common. This is not a plot hole. 

 
Rick James said:
Leia's ship entered hyperspace at the end of Rogue One. Yes Vader obviously tracks it down by the beginning of ANH but I don't think they know for sure that it's the same ship. From what I understand that particular ship is pretty common. This is not a plot hole. 
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It's not a plot hole. It's a nitpick. Why was the princess at the battle in the first place. She could have been waiting a sector away for the rebels to "beam the transmissions to her ship." Instead they physically handed them to her ship and Vader witnessed that happening.

 
Insein said:
It's not a plot hole. It's a nitpick. Why was the princess at the battle in the first place. She could have been waiting a sector away for the rebels to "beam the transmissions to her ship." Instead they physically handed them to her ship and Vader witnessed that happening.
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Hands-on boss

 
Rick James said:
Leia's ship entered hyperspace at the end of Rogue One. Yes Vader obviously tracks it down by the beginning of ANH but I don't think they know for sure that it's the same ship. From what I understand that particular ship is pretty common. This is not a plot hole. 
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The transition from R1 to ANH was instantaneous. There was no period where Vader's ship lost contact with Leia's ship.

Furthermore, even if Leia's ship had been able to break away for a few minutes, it still would not have explained Vader's response to Leia in ANH ("Several transmissions were beamed to this ship" -- it would have been far more appropriate and more logical for Vader to simply say "I personally saw the plans being transferred and I saw your ship escape").

It's a totally unnecessary plot hole. There were a million ways they could have handled the transition, and they chose to do it in an awkward way that creates a sour note at the beginning of ANH.

 
[scooter] said:
The transition from R1 to ANH was instantaneous. There was no period where Vader's ship lost contact with Leia's ship.

Furthermore, even if Leia's ship had been able to break away for a few minutes, it still would not have explained Vader's response to Leia in ANH ("Several transmissions were beamed to this ship" -- it would have been far more appropriate and more logical for Vader to simply say "I personally saw the plans being transferred and I saw your ship escape").

It's a totally unnecessary plot hole. There were a million ways they could have handled the transition, and they chose to do it in an awkward way that creates a sour note at the beginning of ANH.
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99.9% of the world didn't catch this and if they did somehow, they don't care. 

 
Capella said:
99.9% of the world didn't catch this and if they did somehow, they don't care. 
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Well since only about .001% of the world actually saw the movie, I'd say you're a bit over on your assessment. But for the .001% that did watch this, being mostly Star Wars fans, I'd wager half of those people noticed it. 

 
need2know said:
Good list, but honestly a new hope doesn't rank that high for me.
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Well it was the first. I was 7 when it came out.....and I went to see it 5 straight Saturday afternoons with my dad ($1.00 a ticket back then). It was an obsession. 

It was my Star Wars movie. It still holds up so well even today because of Han Solo, Obi-Wan, Governor Tarkin and Darth Vader. Just a classic.

So.....third time seeing Rouge One today and it get's better with each viewing. Seriously the last 40 minutes maybe the greatest Star Wars act ever on film thus far. Just downright incredible. 

And that last 10 seconds with Vader is just epic. Pure evil and the Dark Side showing it's power in devastating fashion. The look on those Rebel's when that Light Saber turns on.......pure terror and chaos. Incredible.

The soundtrack had many nod's to the original scores of a New Hope and the film has so many nuggets for the original Star Wars fans from our generation. Again....it was the Star Wars movie I had been waiting for since Return Of The Jedi......and I really really like The Force Awakens too.......but this film has a far more grittier and darker feel and was far more believable in terms of plot and characters than The Force Awakens. 

I typically don't nit pick Star Wars movies.....kinds stupid to be honest as it is sci fi spaghetti western fantasy.  Rey being able to hold her own vs a Sith Apprentice and leader of The First Order with a light saber and using the force without an ounce of Jedi training was downright stupid. But I overlooked it because the movie was so entertaining and such a nice welcome after going through Lucas's prequels (save for Episode III). 

Rouge One is just Star Wars at it's finest along with The Empire Strikes Back and A New Hope. Lot's of Galactic Empire, lot's of grit, lot's of dark themes....those 3 movies to me rise above all the others in many ways. But that is my take. Everyone is different. I can watch all of them (except for Episode II.....I can even still watch Episode I because of the Pod Racing, the underwater Gungan city scenes, and the epic Darth Maul battle). It's Star Wars. And I love me some Star Wars!! 

 
Insein said:
Well since only about .001% of the world actually saw the movie, I'd say you're a bit over on your assessment. But for the .001% that did watch this, being mostly Star Wars fans, I'd wager half of those people noticed it. 
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Maybe you should ask one of the guys who plays a droid about this at the next convention Q&A

 
hello all, in episode 4 at the 53 minute mark you are clearly drinking blue milk BUT in the comic adaption of the same movie you are clearly drinking WHITE milk. [pushes glasses up] I mean, clearly this is a huge oversight that at least 50% of the people watching noticed and I hope somebody lost their job for this huh huh huh 

 
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The one thing that bugged me about Rogue One was that Hannibal Lector made it so difficult for the Rebels to get the Death Star plans.  Seems like he could have made a copy and delivered them himself another way.

 
Todem said:
Rey being able to hold her own vs a Sith Apprentice and leader of The First Order with a light saber and using the force without an ounce of Jedi training was downright stupid.
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We don't know if it's that stupid. Rey obviously has an Anakin-like amount of the force in her and Kylo is a total ####. It evened it out. 

 
The Rey vs. Kylo criticisms continue to be overstated. There is a reason they had Han remark three separate times about how powerful Chewie's bowcaster was. Which out of context made NO SENSE since they've traveled together for decades. But they were letting the viewer know what a badass, powerful weapon it was not for the yuks, but so that when Chewie nailed Kylo in the side with it we'd know he was seriously injured, and though drawing on that pain for power through the darkside sustained him, he was still majorly ####ed up already when he was bested by Rey. And on top of that, Snoke makes it clear that Kylo isn't fully trained, either. It just hasn't mattered with no other force users around to contest them since Luke went into hiding. And Rey is obviously an exceptionally strong force user. Add all of that to the fact that she was still bested by Kylo until at the last moment she had one moment of clarity where she connected with the Force (mirroring the moment early on that allowed Luke to blow up the first Death Star), and it all becomes much more believable imo. All the lore and context is right in the movie, and anyone hating on it is just nitpicking or not paying close enough attention. 

 
bigbottom said:
Phantom Menace at least had The Darth Maul battle and the pod races. I'm trying to remember anything even remotely cool or memorable from II or III. And I'll take precocious little kid Anakin over the epically bad acting job from Hayden Christensen anyday. Not sure why Revenge of the Sith always seems to get the nod as least crappy prequel.
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2 sucked.   3 was good (overlooking the horrible acting and dialogue from Annakin and the princess.

the story was great and the ending was awesome with the emperor saving Annakin and turning him into Darth.    Just great cinema

 
Do we know that Vader knew the Rebel soilders were passing a disk with the plans in front of him?  Or did he only know that the plans were transmitted to the command ship?  I mean he boards the rebel ship in a dark hallway filled with soldiers trying to flee through a stuck door. For all he knows they are just trying to abandon ship. They start to shoot at him, so he focuses on eliminating the threat. His job is to take care of the rebel fleet.  He sees a ship escape. Then finds out there are no plans aboard so assumes they are on the ship that escaped. Hence the plans were beamed aboard Leia's ship at the start of ANH. 

It's not like he saw them burn the disk or yell, "hey, get those Death Star plans outta here" while he was standing in the hallway. 

 
Andrew74 said:
Do we know that Vader knew the Rebel soilders were passing a disk with the plans in front of him?  Or did he only know that the plans were transmitted to the command ship?  I mean he boards the rebel ship in a dark hallway filled with soldiers trying to flee through a stuck door. For all he knows they are just trying to abandon ship. They start to shoot at him, so he focuses on eliminating the threat. His job is to take care of the rebel fleet.  He sees a ship escape. Then finds out there are no plans aboard so assumes they are on the ship that escaped. Hence the plans were beamed aboard Leia's ship at the start of ANH. 

It's not like he saw them burn the disk or yell, "hey, get those Death Star plans outta here" while he was standing in the hallway. 
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I thought in A New Hope Vader entered the ship after the stormtroopers had mowed down the Rebels.  In Rogue One they changed it so Vader was the one mowing down the Rebels.  It was pretty cool but it didn't flow

 
Don't Noonan said:
I thought in A New Hope Vader entered the ship after the stormtroopers had mowed down the Rebels.  In Rogue One they changed it so Vader was the one mowing down the Rebels.  It was pretty cool but it didn't flow
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Different boarding, different ship. 

 
tommyboy said:
2 sucked.   3 was good (overlooking the horrible acting and dialogue from Annakin and the princess.

the story was great and the ending was awesome with the emperor saving Annakin and turning him into Darth.    Just great cinema
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NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

 
Andrew74 said:
Do we know that Vader knew the Rebel soilders were passing a disk with the plans in front of him?  Or did he only know that the plans were transmitted to the command ship?  I mean he boards the rebel ship in a dark hallway filled with soldiers trying to flee through a stuck door. For all he knows they are just trying to abandon ship. They start to shoot at him, so he focuses on eliminating the threat. His job is to take care of the rebel fleet.  He sees a ship escape. Then finds out there are no plans aboard so assumes they are on the ship that escaped. Hence the plans were beamed aboard Leia's ship at the start of ANH. 

It's not like he saw them burn the disk or yell, "hey, get those Death Star plans outta here" while he was standing in the hallway. 
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That is a good point about Vader not knowing what was on the disk. But it still doesn't explain when Vader says "Where are those transmissions you intercepted?" and "Several transmissions were beamed to this ship."

Vader says those things with all the confidence of someone who speaks the truth. Now we know he was just talking out of his butt and making a fool of himself.

 
[scooter] said:
The transition from R1 to ANH was instantaneous. There was no period where Vader's ship lost contact with Leia's ship.

Furthermore, even if Leia's ship had been able to break away for a few minutes, it still would not have explained Vader's response to Leia in ANH ("Several transmissions were beamed to this ship" -- it would have been far more appropriate and more logical for Vader to simply say "I personally saw the plans being transferred and I saw your ship escape").

It's a totally unnecessary plot hole. There were a million ways they could have handled the transition, and they chose to do it in an awkward way that creates a sour note at the beginning of ANH.
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You're wrong. Her ship goes to hyperspace. 

 
Saw it this weekend and nostalgia aside, Rogue One was my favorite Star Wars movie yet.

That big sarcastic robot was as much a positive as Jar Jar was a negative 

 
Again I never really nit pick Star Wars movies. But all that with the Bowcaster is all well and good and yes I know it is quite a powerful weapon.

But again Rey...never ever touching a Light Saber before.....come on. It was dumb. She is a damn good pilot and obviously the force runs strong with her.

But think about Luke in A New Hope........doing basic BS vs a training bot. Imagine Luke trying to hang with (forget Vader) Kylo Ren......really? 

My point is you really had to suspend disbelief with Rey in that last fight scene....you really did. Now the whole one with the force moment was cool and very much with the lore.....but everything before that was ridiculous based on common sense with zero Jedi training. Nada to that point. Not even Obi Wan guiding her like Luke had in A New Hope with some basic pointers.

I am not nit picking at all in stating this.

Jed said:
We don't know if it's that stupid. Rey obviously has an Anakin-like amount of the force in her and Kylo is a total ####. It evened it out. 
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ConnSKINS26 said:
The Rey vs. Kylo criticisms continue to be overstated. There is a reason they had Han remark three separate times about how powerful Chewie's bowcaster was. Which out of context made NO SENSE since they've traveled together for decades. But they were letting the viewer know what a badass, powerful weapon it was not for the yuks, but so that when Chewie nailed Kylo in the side with it we'd know he was seriously injured, and though drawing on that pain for power through the darkside sustained him, he was still majorly ####ed up already when he was bested by Rey. And on top of that, Snoke makes it clear that Kylo isn't fully trained, either. It just hasn't mattered with no other force users around to contest them since Luke went into hiding. And Rey is obviously an exceptionally strong force user. Add all of that to the fact that she was still bested by Kylo until at the last moment she had one moment of clarity where she connected with the Force (mirroring the moment early on that allowed Luke to blow up the first Death Star), and it all becomes much more believable imo. All the lore and context is right in the movie, and anyone hating on it is just nitpicking or not paying close enough attention. 
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[scooter] said:
That is a good point about Vader not knowing what was on the disk. But it still doesn't explain when Vader says "Where are those transmissions you intercepted?" and "Several transmissions were beamed to this ship."

Vader says those things with all the confidence of someone who speaks the truth. Now we know he was just talking out of his butt and making a fool of himself.
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Link

 
Spoilers.

Its possible some of the heroes that died did not in fact die.  There was a bright flash and fade out but there could retcon that to have a ship fly in at the last moment and pick them up.

 
[scooter] said:
That is a good point about Vader not knowing what was on the disk. But it still doesn't explain when Vader says "Where are those transmissions you intercepted?" and "Several transmissions were beamed to this ship."

Vader says those things with all the confidence of someone who speaks the truth. Now we know he was just talking out of his butt and making a fool of himself.
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If he knows the transmission was sent to the rebel ship he boarded in RO, but didn't find it on the command ship, then he probably assumed it had been beamed to Leia's ship instead (since he knew it was docked inside the command ship).  

On "intercepted" and "several", yeah it's not perfect. Could we massage it to make sense?  Yeah. But at this point it's close enough for me, TBH. 

 
Todem said:
Again I never really nit pick Star Wars movies. But all that with the Bowcaster is all well and good and yes I know it is quite a powerful weapon.

But again Rey...never ever touching a Light Saber before.....come on. It was dumb. She is a damn good pilot and obviously the force runs strong with her.

But think about Luke in A New Hope........doing basic BS vs a training bot. Imagine Luke trying to hang with (forget Vader) Kylo Ren......really? 

My point is you really had to suspend disbelief with Rey in that last fight scene....you really did. Now the whole one with the force moment was cool and very much with the lore.....but everything before that was ridiculous based on common sense with zero Jedi training. Nada to that point. Not even Obi Wan guiding her like Luke had in A New Hope with some basic pointers.

I am not nit picking at all in stating this.
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Yeah, that's where you really needed to start suspending disbelief.   But not at the part where flying space wizards have laser sword fights. 

I think you've put your finger on the one thing that makes this fiction. 

 
Otis said:
Yeah, that's where you really needed to start suspending disbelief.   But not at the part where flying space wizards have laser sword fights. 

I think you've put your finger on the one thing that makes this fiction. 
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:wall:

Yeah for forget about letting your imagination fly and escaping in a fantasy sci fi movie.......no fun in that.

Don't go having kids either. They will hate you.

 
Otis said:
Yeah, that's where you really needed to start suspending disbelief.   But not at the part where flying space wizards have laser sword fights. 

I think you've put your finger on the one thing that makes this fiction. 
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Most viewers want the writers to maintain a certain internal consistency though, within the scifi world they've created. They set up the characters and the story, create a tense dangerous situation, and it seemed lazy and disappointing to resolve that scene by having Rey defeat a supposedly badass guy even though she had no training. I thought it was lame, lazy writing, but overall liked the movie. I like this new one a lot too. It's exactly what I'm looking for, taking three 12 year old boys to the movies over a holiday break. 

 
Todem said:
Again I never really nit pick Star Wars movies. But all that with the Bowcaster is all well and good and yes I know it is quite a powerful weapon.

But again Rey...never ever touching a Light Saber before.....come on. It was dumb. She is a damn good pilot and obviously the force runs strong with her.

But think about Luke in A New Hope........doing basic BS vs a training bot. Imagine Luke trying to hang with (forget Vader) Kylo Ren......really? 

My point is you really had to suspend disbelief with Rey in that last fight scene....you really did. Now the whole one with the force moment was cool and very much with the lore.....but everything before that was ridiculous based on common sense with zero Jedi training. Nada to that point. Not even Obi Wan guiding her like Luke had in A New Hope with some basic pointers.

I am not nit picking at all in stating this.
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Unless Rey already had Jedi training as a child.

There's a lot of very simple ways they can explain Rey's power/use of the force.

They make it very obvious that Kylo is injured, and very obvious that he is immature and in need of more training.

 
Skoo said:
Unless Rey already had Jedi training as a child.

There's a lot of very simple ways they can explain Rey's power/use of the force.

They make it very obvious that Kylo is injured, and very obvious that he is immature and in need of more training.
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Exactly.

Rey doesn't remember her past. Her past will include some kind of training IMO.

And did someone actually say Kylo was a badass? :lmao:

 
Kylo ren was hurt and we still don't know about Reys past. I think it's silly to complain about that. There are still two more movies to explain it. 

 
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