***OFFICIAL - Should McNabb or Reid go ***thread (1 Viewer)

[BigActionMike]

Given the controversy and excitement surrounding the year, and given the success and ultimate failure of the team in the end Does anyone see either going anywhere? It would also appear that Westbrook is finished, IMO. This probably makes the biggest case for getting rid of McNabb and starting to rebuild. While I think mcnabb is a darn good qb, he just cant win the big games. I think I would quietly shop McNabb here and get something for him...otherwise get the best RB available to fill in behind westy.

 

[T Bell]

Reid showed he could change (finally!) by adjusting his playcalling to call more runs.

I have yet to see McNabb show he could change.

 

[Koya]

That didnt take long.

 

[playin4beer]

Philly fans #####ing about McNabb and Reid should be sentenced to do hard time as a Detroit Lions Fan.

Signed,

Lifelong Lions Fan

 

[Gottabesweet]

Philly fans #####ing about McNabb and Reid should be sentenced to do hard time as a Detroit Lions Fan. Signed,Lifelong Lions Fan

Bills fans too!

 

[Steve Tasker]

5 NFC Championship appearances in 8 seasons....what a bunch of losers

 

[Jason Wood]

Reid showed he could change (finally!) by adjusting his playcalling to call more runs. I have yet to see McNabb show he could change.

Reid handed over the play-calling, versus changing himself.As to whether they should go, of course they shouldn't. But I fear McNabb will leave. :(

 

[Inspiration]

5 NFC Championship appearances in 8 seasons....what a bunch of losers

:( While those losses may have been disappointing, the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

 

[T Bell]

Reid showed he could change (finally!) by adjusting his playcalling to call more runs. I have yet to see McNabb show he could change.

Reid handed over the play-calling, versus changing himself.As to whether they should go, of course they shouldn't. But I fear McNabb will leave. :(

If you're going to give the Fat Man grief for things when they lose because he's the head coach, you have to give him credit for when the team does something right. :(

 

[MaddHatter]

Instead, the title of this thread should be "***OFFICIAL - Hey Reid, get McNabb Boldin, another RB to platoon, an OT***"

Neither should be gone, if they are, us Eagles fans are surreptitiously asking for a 3-13 record, I am afraid, with Kolb.

McNabb is not the problem, he is part of the solution.

 

[Wooderson]

Philly fans #####ing about McNabb and Reid should be sentenced to do hard time as a Detroit Lions Fan. Signed,Lifelong Lions Fan

I always hate when fans say oh you think you have it bad look at my team. As an Eagle fan yes I know we have been very good for many years now. But at a point you want to win it all. You Lion fans would say the same if you were in this position.It's not about being spoiled with the Eagles success it's about wanting to win it all and coming up short year after year.

 

[wholligans]

Ahh...I think the Eagles D cost them the game against the Cardinals. I think McNabb did a heck of a lot to give the Eagles a chance.

 

[T Bell]

Ahh...I think the Eagles D cost them the game against the Cardinals. I think McNabb did a heck of a lot to give the Eagles a chance.

The Cards offense outplayed the Eagles defense for significant portions of that game, until the defense adjusted.McNabb, for his part, has no such argument. He failed to throw accurate passes even when he had time and receivers were open.

 

[chris1969]

Reid will eat McNabb.

Get in my belly!

 

[BigActionMike]

I just cant see how we can let the team idle as we have for the past two or three years. We need something to get us to the bowl or we need to rebuild. I am fine with a big time receiver, I have been for sometime. BUT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. Westbrook gave us the best years of his life, but he is done. this dramatically affects the team. Ideally, we could draft an RB and trade or sign a good WR and give it one-two more good runs. If that doesnt happen, we gotta do something...and I won't rule out getting rid of an old QB who still has alot of value.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I don't agree with either one all the time, but until there is a better alternative, the answer is "NO and NO" until further notice.

/thread

 

[mashers]

Philly fans #####ing about McNabb and Reid should be sentenced to do hard time as a Detroit Lions Fan. Signed,Lifelong Lions Fan

Bills fans too!

And the Browns...

 

[phillyfan72]

Reid showed he could change (finally!) by adjusting his playcalling to call more runs. I have yet to see McNabb show he could change.

Reid handed over the play-calling, versus changing himself.As to whether they should go, of course they shouldn't. But I fear McNabb will leave. :(

Unfortunately, I agree with this. I have this feeling McNabb will try to force his way out of town, and unless the Eagles show him a lot of money, will try to force a trade. Why would anyone want to put up with the abuse he does? I hope he stays, but I think he goes.

 

[Jason Wood]

Reid showed he could change (finally!) by adjusting his playcalling to call more runs. I have yet to see McNabb show he could change.

Reid handed over the play-calling, versus changing himself.As to whether they should go, of course they shouldn't. But I fear McNabb will leave. :(

Unfortunately, I agree with this. I have this feeling McNabb will try to force his way out of town, and unless the Eagles show him a lot of money, will try to force a trade. Why would anyone want to put up with the abuse he does? I hope he stays, but I think he goes.

I think unfortunately a lot of our fellow Birds fans are going to get what they want this offseason. If things play out as I expect, we'll start hearing the barrage of Anti-Reid and McNabb B.S. tomorrow and it won't let up for weeks. That's going to fuel McNabb to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and then we get to enjoy the Kevin :X Kolb Era.

 

[mashers]

Ahh...I think the Eagles D cost them the game against the Cardinals. I think McNabb did a heck of a lot to give the Eagles a chance.

The Cards offense outplayed the Eagles defense for significant portions of that game, until the defense adjusted.McNabb, for his part, has no such argument. He failed to throw accurate passes even when he had time and receivers were open.

Were you singing this same song when McNabb led the Eagles to 19 straight points to take the lead? Face it, if the Eagles D showed up in the first half they very well could have won the game. They made Edge look like the Edge of eight years ago.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

5 NFC Championship appearances in 8 seasons....what a bunch of losers

Didn't Steve Tasker play on 4 straight losing Super Bowl teams?

 

[spacevan]

Reid can stay if he loses 100 lbs. My gawd he is disgusting. What does he do all day???? Sit around eating Philly cheese steaks in his underwear drawing up plays that might have worked 20 years ago?

McNabb should go... He's a better than average QB but he'll never win the big game.

 

[T Bell]

Ahh...I think the Eagles D cost them the game against the Cardinals. I think McNabb did a heck of a lot to give the Eagles a chance.

The Cards offense outplayed the Eagles defense for significant portions of that game, until the defense adjusted.McNabb, for his part, has no such argument. He failed to throw accurate passes even when he had time and receivers were open.

Were you singing this same song when McNabb led the Eagles to 19 straight points to take the lead? Face it, if the Eagles D showed up in the first half they very well could have won the game. They made Edge look like the Edge of eight years ago.

If's and but's . . . If McNabb had showed up in the 1st, 2nd or 4th quarter, they could very well have won the game.

 

[JuniorNB]

Reid can stay if he loses 100 lbs. My gawd he is disgusting. What does he do all day???? Sit around eating Philly cheese steaks in his underwear drawing up plays that might have worked 20 years ago?McNabb should go... He's a better than average QB but he'll never win the big game.

Hmmm. I don't recall Marino, Fouts, or Moon getting cut in their prime. They didn't win it all, either.If that's the only measuring stick of a quarterback, then their will be 31 sucky ones when the Super Bowl's over in two weeks.5 NFC Championships games in 8 years. Yeah, they should get rid of Reid and McNabb. Maybe then they can become one of the many teams dying to just get to one championship game.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

I think it's early to say Westbrook is 'finished'. He obviously was playing on 1 leg today. Painful to watch him just walking.

Keep McNabb & Reid.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Ahh...I think the Eagles D cost them the game against the Cardinals. I think McNabb did a heck of a lot to give the Eagles a chance.

The Cards offense outplayed the Eagles defense for significant portions of that game, until the defense adjusted.McNabb, for his part, has no such argument. He failed to throw accurate passes even when he had time and receivers were open.

Were you singing this same song when McNabb led the Eagles to 19 straight points to take the lead? Face it, if the Eagles D showed up in the first half they very well could have won the game. They made Edge look like the Edge of eight years ago.

If's and but's . . . If McNabb had showed up in the 1st, 2nd or 4th quarter, they could very well have won the game.

Certainly - but he did get the Eagles ahead in the 4th quarter after an 18-point deficit.Asking the defense to shut out AZ for an entire half is a tall order, but the 3rd quarter was a very solid performance by both.Both the D and McNabb fell short on the day, along with Akers. If one or two of those three make 1-2 more plays, the outcome likely flips - but that's hard to predict.Having your FG kicker miss for the first time in ages and also blow an XP (forcing a 2-pt try that also failed) were all significant.

 

[JuniorNB]

Ahh...I think the Eagles D cost them the game against the Cardinals. I think McNabb did a heck of a lot to give the Eagles a chance.

The Cards offense outplayed the Eagles defense for significant portions of that game, until the defense adjusted.McNabb, for his part, has no such argument. He failed to throw accurate passes even when he had time and receivers were open.

Were you singing this same song when McNabb led the Eagles to 19 straight points to take the lead? Face it, if the Eagles D showed up in the first half they very well could have won the game. They made Edge look like the Edge of eight years ago.

If's and but's . . . If McNabb had showed up in the 1st, 2nd or 4th quarter, they could very well have won the game.

Did you miss the 62 yard touchdown pass to Deshaun Jackson in the fourth to take the lead? Or was that a halfback option pass?

 

[Routilla]

I dislike the Eagles immensely but they would be foolish to get rid of either. Their team always seems to fight to the bitter end and at least have a chance of winning. I wish I could say the same about my Cowboys.

 

[certificate]

If Kevin Curtis doesn't get mauled/drops a pass on the 30 yard line on 4th down, we might be having a different discussion.

 

[T Bell]

Ahh...I think the Eagles D cost them the game against the Cardinals. I think McNabb did a heck of a lot to give the Eagles a chance.

The Cards offense outplayed the Eagles defense for significant portions of that game, until the defense adjusted.McNabb, for his part, has no such argument. He failed to throw accurate passes even when he had time and receivers were open.

Were you singing this same song when McNabb led the Eagles to 19 straight points to take the lead? Face it, if the Eagles D showed up in the first half they very well could have won the game. They made Edge look like the Edge of eight years ago.

If's and but's . . . If McNabb had showed up in the 1st, 2nd or 4th quarter, they could very well have won the game.

Did you miss the 62 yard touchdown pass to Deshaun Jackson in the fourth to take the lead? Or was that a halfback option pass?

First of all, I'm not advocating that McNabb goes. I answered the choice offered by the OP, but personally I think Reid and DMac are back next year. Second, I'm also not saying that McNabb didn't make good plays, but those were more than offset by his miserable play. That probably should have been a 10-point Eagles win. Because of his play it could have been a 14-point loss or worse and he's lucky it wasn't. Instead, because of a blown call on a kickoff and an INT that was fumbled away, people get to wring their hands and say "Oooooooooooh, so close again for DMac, but we couldn't have gotten that far without him!" Anyway, keep singing "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life", but the negatives outweighed the positives in DMac's game today by a fair amount.

 

[Routilla]

If Kevin Curtis doesn't get mauled/drops a pass on the 30 yard line on 4th down, we might be having a different discussion.

There was some contact but he still could have caught the ball. McNabb had to get rid of it a little early as the pocket was collapsing.

 

[crewmember]

I'll say NO/NO. But I've never seen another QB get to run the offense for a long period of time. If McNabb sucks like people says he does, that makes Reid some kind of super genius. There's a good link there somewhere. YES/YES would go against all sound logic.

 

[massraider]

Philly: 47 pass attempts, 18 rush (2 by McNabb, so they were pass attempts too). Westy had 12 rushes and 2 catches.

Zona: 28 pass, 28 rushes.

Reid will never change.

 

[eagles2007]

i think everything that has happened since the game against the ravens earned reid and mcnabb 2 more years in philly. i'm not sure that's what the eagles need, though.

for those on the outside looking in, what you saw today is what you get regularly from mcnabb. moment's of brilliance and more moments of a Wild Thing QB. he just is not accurate enough for me. the eagles won the two playoff games because of the defense, not because of spectacular play by donovan mcnabb. was he solid? yes. but i wouldn't go so far as to say he was much better than that in either game. the defense was excellent in those two games and scored a TD in each (getting to the 1-yard line counts as a defensive TD).

everyone assumes the end of the mcnabb era means the beginning of the kolb era. it probably does, but there are plenty of QBs out there who can be brought in to compete with kolb.

the fact of the matter os, the eagles have been in 5 NFC title games in 8 years. that's phenomenal. going 1-4 in those games is unacceptable. just getting there is no longer acceptable. it beats the hell out of 2-14. but i'd have a heck of a lot more free time if they were out of the playoff hunt after 8 weeks.

i do believe at this point that mcnabb will never win the big game. i hope he proves me wrong.

as for reid, i'm curious what happens here. i know an eagles beat writer well and he really thought this was it for reid before this playoff run. clearly, reid is doing something right. his assistant coaches have moved on and shown to be successful. but i don't think you can keep losing good assistants without suffering some setbacks.

in summation, i would say reid should stay and mcnabb ... should probably go. i think there's a step backward next year anyway (though an early look at the schedule makes me think they could easily get 9 wins again) and that this team is just too old to replace all the parts at once.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Philly: 47 pass attempts, 18 rush (2 by McNabb, so they were pass attempts too). Westy had 12 rushes and 2 catches.Zona: 28 pass, 28 rushes.Reid will never change.

that's not entirely fair as the eagles played most of the game down by a lot.i wont say what i want, but i will say what i think happens...they will both be back next year. McNabb gets a new deal, Reid keeps all power, and the more things change the more they stay the same

 

[JuniorNB]

Ahh...I think the Eagles D cost them the game against the Cardinals. I think McNabb did a heck of a lot to give the Eagles a chance.

The Cards offense outplayed the Eagles defense for significant portions of that game, until the defense adjusted.McNabb, for his part, has no such argument. He failed to throw accurate passes even when he had time and receivers were open.

Were you singing this same song when McNabb led the Eagles to 19 straight points to take the lead? Face it, if the Eagles D showed up in the first half they very well could have won the game. They made Edge look like the Edge of eight years ago.

If's and but's . . . If McNabb had showed up in the 1st, 2nd or 4th quarter, they could very well have won the game.

Did you miss the 62 yard touchdown pass to Deshaun Jackson in the fourth to take the lead? Or was that a halfback option pass?

First of all, I'm not advocating that McNabb goes. I answered the choice offered by the OP, but personally I think Reid and DMac are back next year. Second, I'm also not saying that McNabb didn't make good plays, but those were more than offset by his miserable play. That probably should have been a 10-point Eagles win. Because of his play it could have been a 14-point loss or worse and he's lucky it wasn't. Instead, because of a blown call on a kickoff and an INT that was fumbled away, people get to wring their hands and say "Oooooooooooh, so close again for DMac, but we couldn't have gotten that far without him!" Anyway, keep singing "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life", but the negatives outweighed the positives in DMac's game today by a fair amount.

I'll take a 375 yard, 3 TD, 97.4 passer rating any day of the week. Yes, he missed some throws, but he made a lot of great throws, too. He hit Curtis on the shoulder pads on the 4th and 10 pass. You can't get a much better 'clutch' pass than that.This one had much more to do with the defensive shortcomings, Akers, and Westbrook than it did McNabb.

 

[Tanner9919]

That didnt take long.

funny how fickle these Eagles fans are...

but I'll play along:

without a doubt, Reid is the new Marty Shottenheimer...I'm not sure who I'd want more as my team's HC, Marty or Reid..

seriously, what was Reid thinking by NOT going for 2 pts on that TD late in the game?

seems Reid gets badly out-coached in games like this, for whatever reason, he doesn't make adjustments.....

McNabb has never, and will never, win the big one...he's just-not-that-good..

and while we're at it, for all the love that Jimmy Johnson gets heaped upon him as some sort of 'great' defensive guru/coach/mentor/god, we haven't seen it in ANY big games..I mean for real, the dude can't scheme something to stop Warner and Co from driving down the field at the end of the game last night?! c'mon now..

At some point, JJ needs to be held accountable for lack of play-calling and inability to win the big one..

Eagles defense is s-o-f-t..

 

[timschochet]

I think you guys are all crazy. Let me make this easy for you. Did you watch the Eagles play the Vikings in the Wildcard Round? Minnesota was a team who had won their conference, and had a better record than Philly. Stout defense, great running game, but...no quarterback. We all saw the results. Is that what you want?

Get rid of McNabb, Eagle fans, and that's what you'll have. Sure, you'll make it to the playoffs from time to time. But try winning once you get there.

 

[stevegamer]

I am convinced I want many of my neighborhood Eagle fans to get what they want - complete rebuilding. I had a conversation with my neighbors last night.

For starters, McNabb gone, Reid gone. The "Westbrook is done" bandwagon is getting fired up as well - so they'd like to see him gone. Ideally, everyone over the age of (pick anumber - but they said 29-30) who isn't going to be part of the next good Eagles team can go - because they are sick of not being a good team. :???:

Basically, the Eagles fan needs to be unhappy to be happy, and will often complain when things go right, or say "well, they are going to let me down next game" - if they can't find anything to complain about. (Heck, I've started to hear criticsm of extending Charlie Manuel's contract already, and last time I checked the Phillies weren't playing - and they won the World Series last year!)

Also, they dream of winning a Super Bowl, and when you have a team that gets close and doesn't win it all they "suck", and it's time to try again. So give them dreams and the ability to complain freely. Give them Kevin Kolb, DeSean Jackson, a rebuilding OL, and whatever else they want.

Just make sure the teams loses enough so the fans don't gets upset with them coming close & failing - they are much happier with not making the playoffs - they can at least draeam of what it willbe like when they get there.

 

[playin4beer]

Philly fans #####ing about McNabb and Reid should be sentenced to do hard time as a Detroit Lions Fan.

Signed,

Lifelong Lions Fan

I always hate when fans say oh you think you have it bad look at my team. As an Eagle fan yes I know we have been very good for many years now. But at a point you want to win it all. You Lion fans would say the same if you were in this position.It's not about being spoiled with the Eagles success it's about wanting to win it all and coming up short year after year.

Actually that's EXACTLY what it's about...ONE team wins the Superbowl each year...ONE. I understand "wanting" that team to be yours every single year, but to ##### and moan because you "only" made it to the NFC Championship game AGAIN is pathetic.

Besides being a Lions fan, I also follow the Red Wings... I'm not spoiled by their success... I'd like them to win the Stanley Cup every year, but am happy as hell they make the playoffs every year. They at least have a "chance" to win it all every year.

 

[T Bell]

That didnt take long.

funny how fickle these Eagles fans are...

but I'll play along:

without a doubt, Reid is the new Marty Shottenheimer...I'm not sure who I'd want more as my team's HC, Marty or Reid..

seriously, what was Reid thinking by NOT going for 2 pts on that TD late in the game?

seems Reid gets badly out-coached in games like this, for whatever reason, he doesn't make adjustments.....

McNabb has never, and will never, win the big one...he's just-not-that-good..

and while we're at it, for all the love that Jimmy Johnson gets heaped upon him as some sort of 'great' defensive guru/coach/mentor/god, we haven't seen it in ANY big games..I mean for real, the dude can't scheme something to stop Warner and Co from driving down the field at the end of the game last night?! c'mon now..

At some point, JJ needs to be held accountable for lack of play-calling and inability to win the big one..

Eagles defense is s-o-f-t..

If we're going to use Marty as a comparison, Reid is better. Reid wins playoff games most of the time - Schotty hasn't won a playoff game since 1993. Reid's got a winning playoff record; Marty doesn't.

 

[TCFF]

Reid should not be gone, although I would not mind seeing him lose GM status if only to add another "outside" perspective to the front office.

McNabb will be back if he wants to be. If he doesn't he will make big contract demands that he knows Philly will never meet thus forcing them to shop him. If the Eagles trade Mcnabb, they will need to bring in a veteran QB to be a 2-3 year placeholder because Kolb should not start in the NFL.

Anyone who says "Westbrook is done" is completely foolish. He played injured for most of the year with injuries to his knee (which may be a perpetual issue), his ankle, and his ribs. He also played without one of the best run blocking guards in the league (Shaun Andrews), without his backup (Max Jean-Gilles), and with two rapidly aging tackles one of whom has been injured (Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan). If the O-line gets healthy and/or we can adequately replace one of the tackles Westbrook will be good next year and could be a real steal in fantasy drafts.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

The window on this team is NOT closed. The D played very well this year and all of its starters except Dawkins are young and/or in their prime. Its core should be in place for another 3-4 years. I do NOT want a return to the Buddy Ryan era, where we had an excellent D that never got a championship -- or even a playoff victory while Buddy was at the helm -- because of an O that couldn't get out of its own way.

So while the O needs some changes, it still has to be built to win now. And that means keeping McNabb, because there are no better options out there. It means drafting a bruising RB to be the "smash" to Westbrook's "dash" -- and to actually get first downs when running on 3rd and short. At this point, Westy should be in an RBBC, and used like the Titans use Chris Johnson. It means letting Smith walk and bringing in a more reliable TE to complement Celek. And it means making an honest assessment of the O-Line. How much longer can Thomas and Runyan be effective? Can Andrews be expected to contribute next year or not? Should Herremans be moved to tackle? Is Jamaal Jackson still capable of being a starting center in this league? Once those questions are answered, pursue the appropriate missing pieces in the draft and FA.

As much as Reid's playcalling infuriates me sometimes, I don't think we should get rid of him unless we're going to do a total rebuild. And for the reasons stated above, a total rebuild is not necessary.

 

[T Bell]

If you take a step back from the emotion of the moment, McNabb is still arguably the best QB in his division. Yes, better than Romo (certainly) and even arguably better than Eli. All three of those guys suffer from inconsistency and big mistakes.

Eli, like McNabb, is not a very accurate passer overall, in terms of consistently putting the ball right on target, where a WR can not only catch it but can tuck it away and make a play with the ball in his hands. It's not a coincidence that Eli and his offense took a step back when Plaxico and his huge wingspan and leaping ability (which served to hide Eli's relative inaccuracy) were no longer available to him. McNabb's never, except for a season and a half with TO, had such a luxury at WR.

Both Eli and Romo will also make extremely poor decisions with the football at times, leaving you to scratch your head. On this note in particular I think McNabb has a clear edge, as evidenced by his relative lack of INT's over his career. He protects the football very well and rarely makes poor decisions (poor throws are another matter however).

Anyway, don't confuse my criticism of McNabb for somehow saying he sucks. He doesn't, and neither do Eli or Romo. But it is absolutely fair to point out that McNabb not only has flaws in his game, but that those flaws also manifest themselves at very inopportune times and cost his team wins. McNabb certainly is better able than Warner to make plays with his legs if things break down, but one thing you can certainly say about Warner is that if he has any chance at all to get a pass off uninterrupted behind the line of scrimmage, that pass will be on time and will be on target. McNabb is wildly inconsistent throwing from the pocket even without pressure, and that's a major problem in an offense like the WCO that counts on accuracy and timing with the receivers.

 

[mozzy84]

I would not be surprised to see reid just step down and take a break from coaching for awhile.

 

[Monkian]

I don't think there are many Philly fans who think Reid is a bad coach. Obviously he's doing something right, but he's not doing enough right. Every year there is clamoring for a big RB who can move the pile on 3rd and 1, and a dominant WR who can go make plays. And every year it's the same small backs and a collection of WRs who do an adequate job, but no one who can take over a game. I'm not saying going and finding the next Fitzgerald is an easy task, but Reid has had 10 years to find a stud WR and here we are still stuck with a bunch of #2s (though i do believe Jackson could be very good). It's not that we don't appreciate what we have, but for me at least, I want to see that the team is willing to get out of it's comfort zone a little and make some philosophical changes that need to be made to get to the next level.

And that change may be coming. Eagles' President Joe Banner, following yesterday's loss, basically paraphrased this quote by Albert Einstein, "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

 

[perry147]

You know what? I hope both McNabb and Reid leave the Eagles and then go to team than can crush the eagles.

 

[dotman]

If you take a step back from the emotion of the moment, McNabb is still arguably the best QB in his division. Yes, better than Romo (certainly) and even arguably better than Eli. All three of those guys suffer from inconsistency and big mistakes.

Eli, like McNabb, is not a very accurate passer overall, in terms of consistently putting the ball right on target, where a WR can not only catch it but can tuck it away and make a play with the ball in his hands. It's not a coincidence that Eli and his offense took a step back when Plaxico and his huge wingspan and leaping ability (which served to hide Eli's relative inaccuracy) were no longer available to him. McNabb's never, except for a season and a half with TO, had such a luxury at WR.

Both Eli and Romo will also make extremely poor decisions with the football at times, leaving you to scratch your head. On this note in particular I think McNabb has a clear edge, as evidenced by his relative lack of INT's over his career. He protects the football very well and rarely makes poor decisions (poor throws are another matter however).

Anyway, don't confuse my criticism of McNabb for somehow saying he sucks. He doesn't, and neither do Eli or Romo. But it is absolutely fair to point out that McNabb not only has flaws in his game, but that those flaws also manifest themselves at very inopportune times and cost his team wins. McNabb certainly is better able than Warner to make plays with his legs if things break down, but one thing you can certainly say about Warner is that if he has any chance at all to get a pass off uninterrupted behind the line of scrimmage, that pass will be on time and will be on target. McNabb is wildly inconsistent throwing from the pocket even without pressure, and that's a major problem in an offense like the WCO that counts on accuracy and timing with the receivers.

Excellent, excellent post. McNabb is nowhere near perfect and is certainly inaccurate at times, but still gives the Eagles a great chance to win a Superbowl. Like you said, look at Eli without Plax...he's very average. Yet Eli won a Superbowl, but that doesn't mean he is better than McNabb. But he was on a better team. A true #1 WR would cover a lot of McNabb's shortcomings, and not having that has hurt the Eagles throughout McNabb's career. I can't believe he took the team as far as he did when his WR's were Pinkston, Thrash, and Fredex.

 

[gigantor]

hopefully McNabb goes..to the Bears

 

[Pip's Invitation]

He protects the football very well and rarely makes poor decisions (poor throws are another matter however).

This is a function of HOW he throws. Usually, when he misses, he misses low instead of high -- and he throws low quite a bit. That means incompletions instead of interceptions. Hence, the low INT %, but also the low completion %.