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FWIW, I think Falcao fits Madrid better than Liverpool.

Liverpool's attacking system is super fluid. It's built on interchange, with strikers drifting out to the wing and wings coming inside off the dribble. It's why Sanchez made so sense as a Suarez replacement, because you could totally see him and Sturridge just swapping places all over the place.

When I've seen Falcao, he's more like the Zlatan. He's a guy who sets himself up in the middle and plays as a focal point. You can still have a lot of movement, but the movement has to revolve around him in the center. That works great for Madrid. Play the ball to Falcao as an outlet and then watch those poor full backs try to keep up with Ronaldo and Bale as they come steaming past.

One reason why I think that Bony would fit Liverpool so well is that he spent a lot of the first half of the season for Swansea drifting to the wing and impressing me with his passing before the goals started coming for him in the second half of the system. I think ambition is great, but if Liverpool want to get the best out of a new striker AND Sturridge, I think Bony is the best option available to them right now for the price. Even assuming they'd have to overpay.

 
Looks like all my peeps in Birmingham are about to get the fever for the flava.

4.35 BST: Aston Villa are apparently very close to signing former Liverpool full back Aly Cissokho from Valencia for 2.5 million euros. Super Deporte claim the deal has gone as far as the Frenchman only needing a medical before it can be confirmed. Happy days for Villa FLAVA fans.
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Fixed
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FWIW, I think Falcao fits Madrid better than Liverpool.

Liverpool's attacking system is super fluid. It's built on interchange, with strikers drifting out to the wing and wings coming inside off the dribble. It's why Sanchez made so sense as a Suarez replacement, because you could totally see him and Sturridge just swapping places all over the place.

When I've seen Falcao, he's more like the Zlatan. He's a guy who sets himself up in the middle and plays as a focal point. You can still have a lot of movement, but the movement has to revolve around him in the center. That works great for Madrid. Play the ball to Falcao as an outlet and then watch those poor full backs try to keep up with Ronaldo and Bale as they come steaming past.

One reason why I think that Bony would fit Liverpool so well is that he spent a lot of the first half of the season for Swansea drifting to the wing and impressing me with his passing before the goals started coming for him in the second half of the system. I think ambition is great, but if Liverpool want to get the best out of a new striker AND Sturridge, I think Bony is the best option available to them right now for the price. Even assuming they'd have to overpay.
I've not seen a lot of Falcao, but what I've seen fits what you're talking about. Seems more an straight up and down the field type of slashing forward, rather than drifting side to side changing positions type of guy. Seems like he thrives in the box getting opportunities for himself, either on the pass or on his own- not as much (again- marginal input for me on this) drifting around and helping set up everybody else.

 
So if Man U are really the front runners for Di Maria, where does he play? Does LVG scrap the 3-5-2? Otherwise, it seems that Di Maria either plays as a right wing back (which is admittedly somewhat terrifying to contemplate) or he's in Mata's role as another #10. He surely can't do the box-to-box role, right?

 
So if Man U are really the front runners for Di Maria, where does he play? Does LVG scrap the 3-5-2? Otherwise, it seems that Di Maria either plays as a right wing back (which is admittedly somewhat terrifying to contemplate) or he's in Mata's role as another #10. He surely can't do the box-to-box role, right?
Where exactly did Robben play? Could Di Maria play that role?

 
Latest updates:

Liverpool IN/OUT this offseason:

IN:

Adam Lallana, Southampton, £25m

Emre Can, Bayern Leverkusen, £10m

Rickie Lambert, Southampton, £4m

Lazar Markovic, Benfica, £20m

Dejan Lovren, Southampton, £20m

Divock Origi, Lille, £6m - £9.8m (loan-back)

Javier Manquillo, Atletico Madrid, 2yr LOAN (Future fee £5m)

Rumour/not completed:

Marco Reus, Dortmund, £44m (Inquiry in after Barca move fell through)

Isco, Real Madrid, ? (Inquiry so far)

Dele Alli, MK Don's, ? (Inquiry)

Xherdan Shaqiri, Bayern Munich, £15m (talks are stalled per reports)

Ezequiel Lavezzi, PSG, £18m bid is rumored

Alberto Moreno, Sevilla, £16m (late stage discussions rumored)

Julian Brandt, Bayer Leverkusen, has impressed scouts, but unlikely to happen

Wilfried Bony, Swansea, £20m (asking price and salary demands too high currently)

Xabi Alonso, Real Madrid, ? (on the cheap)

Mauro Icardi, Inter Milan, £16m (also wanted by Monaco)

Radamel Falcao, Monaco, (very loose rumors, and RM/MCI is in the picture as well, could be available on loan)

OUT:

Jakub Sokolik, Yeovil, Free

Luis Alberto, Malaga, Loan

Luis Suarez, Barcelona, £75m (cost £22.5m)

Iago Aspas, Sevilla, Loan for one year, Sevilla option for £5m after year is complete. (cost £7m)

Andrew Wisdom, WBA, Loan

Brad Smith, Swindon Town, Loan

Rafa Paez, Bologna, Loan

Conor Coady, Huddersfield Town, £0.5m

Pepe Reina, Bayern Munich, £2.5m

Rumour/Not completed:

Fabio Borini, Sunderland, initial £10m that could get up to £14m (Apparently the clubs have agreed, but the player hasn't)

Oussama Assaidi, Stoke City, £7m (talks have stalled due to player demands?)

Lucas Leiva, ?, ? (Napoli, Loan, etc)

Kolo Toure, Qatar or Trabzonspor, ? (would be nice to get his £105,000/wk salary off the books)

Daniel Agger, Barcelona/Arsenal, ? (rumors in Spanish press, and in English regarding Arsenal)

Rumored transfer budget: £40m (£50m) + 100% of sales

Spending: £89m

Returns: £78m

Remaining (estimate):£118m-£89m= £29m left
Latest updates. I still don't buy the Falcao rumors, Icardi makes more sense from knowing Rodgers, but maybe a loan could be possible.

 
So if Man U are really the front runners for Di Maria, where does he play? Does LVG scrap the 3-5-2? Otherwise, it seems that Di Maria either plays as a right wing back (which is admittedly somewhat terrifying to contemplate) or he's in Mata's role as another #10. He surely can't do the box-to-box role, right?
Been thinking about this. I have no idea. If they switch to the 4-3-3, then where does Rooney play?

I like him at wing back in the 3-5-2, but that makes for a terrible sales pitch.

 
So if Man U are really the front runners for Di Maria, where does he play? Does LVG scrap the 3-5-2? Otherwise, it seems that Di Maria either plays as a right wing back (which is admittedly somewhat terrifying to contemplate) or he's in Mata's role as another #10. He surely can't do the box-to-box role, right?
Where exactly did Robben play? Could Di Maria play that role?
FWD. Puts Rooney or RVP on the bench.

 
So if Man U are really the front runners for Di Maria, where does he play? Does LVG scrap the 3-5-2? Otherwise, it seems that Di Maria either plays as a right wing back (which is admittedly somewhat terrifying to contemplate) or he's in Mata's role as another #10. He surely can't do the box-to-box role, right?
Where exactly did Robben play? Could Di Maria play that role?
Robben played as (an extremely mobile) striker in Brazil. It's the role that Rooney is in right now. I expect that role to fit Rooney like a glove. RVP seemed to play as a more static striker in Brazil. In truth, other than against Spain, I didn't think RVP played very well, but I think he had less license to roam.

 
I've not seen a lot of Falcao, but what I've seen fits what you're talking about. Seems more an straight up and down the field type of slashing forward, rather than drifting side to side changing positions type of guy. Seems like he thrives in the box getting opportunities for himself, either on the pass or on his own- not as much (again- marginal input for me on this) drifting around and helping set up everybody else.
Watched a ton of stuff on him from the last few years after the rumors broke, and thought the same thing. He doesn't look like a link up player at all -- he's a pure striker.

 
Latest updates. I still don't buy the Falcao rumors, Icardi makes more sense from knowing Rodgers, but maybe a loan could be possible.
What I have read said there would have to be a £12m loan fee, on top of his $10m salary. No way Rodgers or FSG pays that, especially on just a loan.

 
Great description from Grantland:

We can see Guardiola here, hastily putting on his Portland uniform of a plaid shirt and slacks, and refusing to split an Uber with Portland Timbers manager Caleb Porter. Later, Porter texted Guardiola to see if he wanted to go down to Pok Pok so the two could “settle our differences over some really authentic Thai food. I mean really authentic. This isn’t the pad Thai you get in the rest of the country. This is the real stuff from up north. Really authentic flavor profiles.” However, Porter got no response, as Guardiola had already blended into the city, met a “poet/crepe artist” at a bar on Hawthorne, and decided it would be best to see where the evening took him.
 
Great description from Grantland:

We can see Guardiola here, hastily putting on his Portland uniform of a plaid shirt and slacks, and refusing to split an Uber with Portland Timbers manager Caleb Porter. Later, Porter texted Guardiola to see if he wanted to go down to Pok Pok so the two could “settle our differences over some really authentic Thai food. I mean really authentic. This isn’t the pad Thai you get in the rest of the country. This is the real stuff from up north. Really authentic flavor profiles.” However, Porter got no response, as Guardiola had already blended into the city, met a “poet/crepe artist” at a bar on Hawthorne, and decided it would be best to see where the evening took him.
:lmao: :lmao:

Pep went full hipster after leaving Barcelona. Used to wear a suit every game...

 
So if Man U are really the front runners for Di Maria, where does he play? Does LVG scrap the 3-5-2? Otherwise, it seems that Di Maria either plays as a right wing back (which is admittedly somewhat terrifying to contemplate) or he's in Mata's role as another #10. He surely can't do the box-to-box role, right?
Been thinking about this. I have no idea. If they switch to the 4-3-3, then where does Rooney play?

I like him at wing back in the 3-5-2, but that makes for a terrible sales pitch.
Dont think Rooney will get benched. LVG will name him captain shortly. Also think Cuadrado fits better than Di Maria as a Wing Back and therefore dont see Di Maria landing at Manchester United.

 
People are making a big deal about a handshake? Lame.
It's a bit more than that. He spent a good portion of the second half screaming over at Porter on the bench and gesticulating wildly in the charming European fashion. Poor Caleb looked like he wanted to hide. I think Porter probably exacerbated the problem a bit by being so passive, but its tough to know.
Pep is compounding his error by now claiming he did not see Porter to shake his hand. It would have been better if he just said "I lost my head about the tackles and I apologize"

"I didn't see him (Porter)," Guardiola said after the match. "We tried to respect the rules of the game. I appreciate the effort of my players."

 
Great description from Grantland:

We can see Guardiola here, hastily putting on his Portland uniform of a plaid shirt and slacks, and refusing to split an Uber with Portland Timbers manager Caleb Porter. Later, Porter texted Guardiola to see if he wanted to go down to Pok Pok so the two could “settle our differences over some really authentic Thai food. I mean really authentic. This isn’t the pad Thai you get in the rest of the country. This is the real stuff from up north. Really authentic flavor profiles.” However, Porter got no response, as Guardiola had already blended into the city, met a “poet/crepe artist” at a bar on Hawthorne, and decided it would be best to see where the evening took him.
:lmao: :lmao:

Pep went full hipster after leaving Barcelona. Used to wear a suit every game...
He had a backpack on post-game when he was talking to Henry. :lmao:

 
So if Man U are really the front runners for Di Maria, where does he play? Does LVG scrap the 3-5-2? Otherwise, it seems that Di Maria either plays as a right wing back (which is admittedly somewhat terrifying to contemplate) or he's in Mata's role as another #10. He surely can't do the box-to-box role, right?
Been thinking about this. I have no idea. If they switch to the 4-3-3, then where does Rooney play?

I like him at wing back in the 3-5-2, but that makes for a terrible sales pitch.
Dont think Rooney will get benched. LVG will name him captain shortly. Also think Cuadrado fits better than Di Maria as a Wing Back and therefore dont see Di Maria landing at Manchester United.
Same here. But if Di Maria wants out, my arms are open.

 
Great description from Grantland:

We can see Guardiola here, hastily putting on his Portland uniform of a plaid shirt and slacks, and refusing to split an Uber with Portland Timbers manager Caleb Porter. Later, Porter texted Guardiola to see if he wanted to go down to Pok Pok so the two could “settle our differences over some really authentic Thai food. I mean really authentic. This isn’t the pad Thai you get in the rest of the country. This is the real stuff from up north. Really authentic flavor profiles.” However, Porter got no response, as Guardiola had already blended into the city, met a “poet/crepe artist” at a bar on Hawthorne, and decided it would be best to see where the evening took him.
:lmao: :lmao:

Pep went full hipster after leaving Barcelona. Used to wear a suit every game...
Loved his gay lumberjack look last night.

 
So if Man U are really the front runners for Di Maria, where does he play? Does LVG scrap the 3-5-2? Otherwise, it seems that Di Maria either plays as a right wing back (which is admittedly somewhat terrifying to contemplate) or he's in Mata's role as another #10. He surely can't do the box-to-box role, right?
Been thinking about this. I have no idea. If they switch to the 4-3-3, then where does Rooney play?

I like him at wing back in the 3-5-2, but that makes for a terrible sales pitch.
Dont think Rooney will get benched. LVG will name him captain shortly. Also think Cuadrado fits better than Di Maria as a Wing Back and therefore dont see Di Maria landing at Manchester United.
Same here. But if Di Maria wants out, my arms are open.
Bonzai?

 
People are making a big deal about a handshake? Lame.
It's a bit more than that. He spent a good portion of the second half screaming over at Porter on the bench and gesticulating wildly in the charming European fashion. Poor Caleb looked like he wanted to hide. I think Porter probably exacerbated the problem a bit by being so passive, but its tough to know.
Pep is compounding his error by now claiming he did not see Porter to shake his hand. It would have been better if he just said "I lost my head about the tackles and I apologize"

"I didn't see him (Porter)," Guardiola said after the match. "We tried to respect the rules of the game. I appreciate the effort of my players."
gtfo... really? he didn't see Porter because of that finger wagging in front of his face?

oof.

 
FWIW, I think a lot of people like to hamstring players as to what they can do. Players play best as situation/teams dictate. Some players are versatile, others not as much.

Didn't Gareth Bale start off as a right back?

Wayne Rooney had wondrous years as striker both in a one up and two up formation. But then they bring in RvP and he's kind of fallen off as they run off each other.

Managers need to realize this and adapt both players, and formations.

I think DiMari will fit in just fine at United, but would play a different role than he did at RM. I happen to think Vidal would fit in better, but I've been wrong about a million times before. Sometimes guys look the perfect fit and just do not work out.

Falcao would probably be tremendous wherever he goes. Just because it may appear him and Sturridge wouldn't get along, I get the impression Rodgers would get it figured out. Liverpool, in my eyes, is sorely missing a stand alone striker which will open up holes on the wings by compacting the central defense. Whether they play up higher or back a bit wouldn't matter I don't think, but tbh I don't think Sturridge alone will cut it. Bony underwhelmed me tbh in his move to the premier league. He showed he could be dangerous in instances, but I expected more. I don't know if a move to Liverpool would be wonderful fit either as he's not nearly as dynamic a striker as others that were available are. Maybe I'm selling him short, probably am, but don't know.

United still have a major pressing need at cb, seems silly to me they go out and chase DiMaria, but I think maybe their thoughts are they assemble a great team, they are more desirable destination? I don't know, seems silly, they are not a small club.

What I do think is if they get DiMaria, they will make it work. I don't think it will work as presently setup adding DiMari to the mix with Rooney and Mata, but I think LvG is not as set in his ways that he isn't open to the idea of changing formations. TSO seems exact opposite, he will make his team into what works into his system and Mata was not going to cut it. just my thoughts. makes no sense I know.

 
I think I've watched the clip of Porter left hanging like 20 times now. It just gets funnier every time for me. He looks so sad!

For me, that was a completely entertaining ASG. We got:

  • 3 high quality goals
  • some nice saves by Rimando
  • Shaqiri's hips not lying
  • Yedlin deciding to steal Juan Bernat's soul repeatedly in the second half (followed by Sean Franklin deciding to go the other way and play rock solid defensive right back in the second)
  • Henry looking like the best 36 year old winger since Stanley Matthews
  • And now, the Porter Left Hanging meme.
Good stuff.

 
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So if Man U are really the front runners for Di Maria, where does he play? Does LVG scrap the 3-5-2? Otherwise, it seems that Di Maria either plays as a right wing back (which is admittedly somewhat terrifying to contemplate) or he's in Mata's role as another #10. He surely can't do the box-to-box role, right?
Been thinking about this. I have no idea. If they switch to the 4-3-3, then where does Rooney play?

I like him at wing back in the 3-5-2, but that makes for a terrible sales pitch.
Dont think Rooney will get benched. LVG will name him captain shortly. Also think Cuadrado fits better than Di Maria as a Wing Back and therefore dont see Di Maria landing at Manchester United.
Same here. But if Di Maria wants out, my arms are open.
Bonzai?
Never have I been more offended by the internet.

 
So if Man U are really the front runners for Di Maria, where does he play? Does LVG scrap the 3-5-2? Otherwise, it seems that Di Maria either plays as a right wing back (which is admittedly somewhat terrifying to contemplate) or he's in Mata's role as another #10. He surely can't do the box-to-box role, right?
Been thinking about this. I have no idea. If they switch to the 4-3-3, then where does Rooney play?

I like him at wing back in the 3-5-2, but that makes for a terrible sales pitch.
Dont think Rooney will get benched. LVG will name him captain shortly. Also think Cuadrado fits better than Di Maria as a Wing Back and therefore dont see Di Maria landing at Manchester United.
Same here. But if Di Maria wants out, my arms are open.
Bonzai?
I hear the introduction went well.

 
This @Agent_Edward guy has a lot of good football scoops that the big newspapers are allegedly sourcing 'anonymously'

 
@ViktorFagerLFC: Claudio Anelluci (Cavani's agent): "I can confirm that Cavani have heard proposals from Liverpool and Arsenal."

 
This @Agent_Edward guy has a lot of good football scoops that the big newspapers are allegedly sourcing 'anonymously'
Does he continually post pictures showing his predictions coming true, before other sources have reported it? I only ask because I finally had to axe some Twitter transfer sources because I got really tired of their "Hey, look how accurate I am" posts every 30 minutes.

 
This @Agent_Edward guy has a lot of good football scoops that the big newspapers are allegedly sourcing 'anonymously'
Does he continually post pictures showing his predictions coming true, before other sources have reported it? I only ask because I finally had to axe some Twitter transfer sources because I got really tired of their "Hey, look how accurate I am" posts every 30 minutes.
This @Agent_Edward guy has a lot of good football scoops that the big newspapers are allegedly sourcing 'anonymously'
Does he continually post pictures showing his predictions coming true, before other sources have reported it? I only ask because I finally had to axe some Twitter transfer sources because I got really tired of their "Hey, look how accurate I am" posts every 30 minutes.
Yes he does. All the time :bag:

 
Great description from Grantland:

We can see Guardiola here, hastily putting on his Portland uniform of a plaid shirt and slacks, and refusing to split an Uber with Portland Timbers manager Caleb Porter. Later, Porter texted Guardiola to see if he wanted to go down to Pok Pok so the two could “settle our differences over some really authentic Thai food. I mean really authentic. This isn’t the pad Thai you get in the rest of the country. This is the real stuff from up north. Really authentic flavor profiles.” However, Porter got no response, as Guardiola had already blended into the city, met a “poet/crepe artist” at a bar on Hawthorne, and decided it would be best to see where the evening took him.
That is gold.

 
How fun was Dempsey/Martins/Henry in that game? That is the first I saw of Henry playing as an attacking mid. Loved it.

Yedlin was a star.

Green, not so much. I thought he was pretty bad. His runs were right into teammates, or their space.

I think Pepe was more posed about losing than anything else.

 
Its been a run. Definitely up there on the Mt. Rushmore of US soccer players.

Not terribly surprised, but he could have kept going in MLS for a few more years.

I know there is still some bad blood with the whole USMNT - but I'd like to see them do something for him this fall.

 
Its been a run. Definitely up there on the Mt. Rushmore of US soccer players.

Not terribly surprised, but he could have kept going in MLS for a few more years.

I know there is still some bad blood with the whole USMNT - but I'd like to see them do something for him this fall.
I still feel like JK ####ed him here. And yeah- I do hope they have a nice game or three across the country to give him the send-off he deserves.

up there on Mt Rushmore? reminds me of the princess bride quote... he IS the brute squad.

 
Its been a run. Definitely up there on the Mt. Rushmore of US soccer players.

Not terribly surprised, but he could have kept going in MLS for a few more years.

I know there is still some bad blood with the whole USMNT - but I'd like to see them do something for him this fall.
I still feel like JK ####ed him here. And yeah- I do hope they have a nice game or three across the country to give him the send-off he deserves.

up there on Mt Rushmore? reminds me of the princess bride quote... he IS the brute squad.
Built his career on the shoulders of Kyle Rote Jr. ;)

 
Oh, and LD did himself no favors with taking the sabbatical during qualifying - vis-a-vis Klinsmann. JK could have overlooked that, but I don't think he had to overlook that.

But, LD deserves his day in the sun - and I would expect Gulati to ensure it happens, even if the German does not understand it (I don't know how they handle these types of retirements in Germany, I suspect most just go quietly into the night.)

 
Its been a run. Definitely up there on the Mt. Rushmore of US soccer players.

Not terribly surprised, but he could have kept going in MLS for a few more years.

I know there is still some bad blood with the whole USMNT - but I'd like to see them do something for him this fall.
I still feel like JK ####ed him here. And yeah- I do hope they have a nice game or three across the country to give him the send-off he deserves.

up there on Mt Rushmore? reminds me of the princess bride quote... he IS the brute squad.
Built his career on the shoulders of Kyle Rote Jr. ;)
:lmao:

holy crap- I am SOOOO happy that I had forgotten all about the face of US soccer.

 
Its been a run. Definitely up there on the Mt. Rushmore of US soccer players.

Not terribly surprised, but he could have kept going in MLS for a few more years.

I know there is still some bad blood with the whole USMNT - but I'd like to see them do something for him this fall.
I still feel like JK ####ed him here. And yeah- I do hope they have a nice game or three across the country to give him the send-off he deserves.

up there on Mt Rushmore? reminds me of the princess bride quote... he IS the brute squad.
Built his career on the shoulders of Kyle Rote Jr. ;)
:lmao:

holy crap- I am SOOOO happy that I had forgotten all about the face of US soccer.
3 time Superstars champion, so you know he was the goods.

 

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