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[Steve Tasker]

Chelsea just had too much for them.

 

[The Z Machine]

And my boys finally come through in the end. Atlético wins 3-0 at home against Almería to secure 4th place in La Liga and a spot in the 2009-2010 Champion's League. Forlán grabbed his 32nd La Liga goal of the year to secure el Pichichi and Europe's Golden Boot. Almería didn't bring anything to the game as the failed to get a shot on goal for the whole 90 mins. A great year for Forlán, especially the 2nd half of the season.

It was a tough year for Atlético as many picked them to make a title challenge, and that obviously didn't happen. They disappointed on a number of occasions, and surprised many others in getting some quality wins. The defense was atrocious at times and just simply bad at others. I expect to see another big name defender come into the squad as well as another attacking midfielder. Leo Franco's contract was not renewed so the job in the net may fall to Coupet next year, although he's extremely long in the tooth, so they may bring in another goalie to replace Franco. Honestly, I don't understand the logic behind this as Franco was instrumental in securing some of the comeback wins that Atlético put up this year. They were throwing 8-9 guys at the attack, and he made some crucial stops which allowed Atleti to pull those late goals. It should be an interesting offseason, as they may also sell either Ujfalusi or Heitinga who severely disappointed this year on defense. They were just as bad (or worse) than last year's woeful defense. We'll see. It's likely that either/both Maniche and Simao are gone as well. There will be stuff shaken up this offseason.

I suppose my only hope is that they can keep Forlán and el Kun this season, as the reason that they made 4th place was due to their offensive output (and better play in the middle of the park from Maxi and the Garcias Raúl and Louis). The CL money for next year will be key in making that happen. I think Forlán may be at the top of some Premiership teams lists, while Kun has been rumored for AC Milan all year. I doubt he goes to the Pemiership, and I surely don't see him moving to another Spanish team. He hates Real, and I think there's WAY too much rivalry between him and Messi for him to move to Barça (plus, they don't need him). Milan may lose Kaká, and may make a huge offer for el Kun.

But today belongs to my colchoneros. They should proud of the work they put in to make CL. They were in 7th place 6 games ago, and they haven't been in the top 4 since the 17th game of the season. Also thank you to Villarreal and Valencia for screwing up and allowing Atlético the chance to make it happen. Both they and Folán snuck up on some teams in the last 10 games. Big props.

 

[Christo]

Chelsea just had too much for them.

Yep. Final score did not do justice to Chelsea's domination of the match.

 

[Native]

And my boys finally come through in the end. Atlético wins 3-0 at home against Almería to secure 4th place in La Liga and a spot in the 2009-2010 Champion's League. Forlán grabbed his 32nd La Liga goal of the year to secure el Pichichi and Europe's Golden Boot. Almería didn't bring anything to the game as the failed to get a shot on goal for the whole 90 mins. A great year for Forlán, especially the 2nd half of the season.It was a tough year for Atlético as many picked them to make a title challenge, and that obviously didn't happen. They disappointed on a number of occasions, and surprised many others in getting some quality wins. The defense was atrocious at times and just simply bad at others. I expect to see another big name defender come into the squad as well as another attacking midfielder. Leo Franco's contract was not renewed so the job in the net may fall to Coupet next year, although he's extremely long in the tooth, so they may bring in another goalie to replace Franco. Honestly, I don't understand the logic behind this as Franco was instrumental in securing some of the comeback wins that Atlético put up this year. They were throwing 8-9 guys at the attack, and he made some crucial stops which allowed Atleti to pull those late goals. It should be an interesting offseason, as they may also sell either Ujfalusi or Heitinga who severely disappointed this year on defense. They were just as bad (or worse) than last year's woeful defense. We'll see. It's likely that either/both Maniche and Simao are gone as well. There will be stuff shaken up this offseason.I suppose my only hope is that they can keep Forlán and el Kun this season, as the reason that they made 4th place was due to their offensive output (and better play in the middle of the park from Maxi and the Garcias Raúl and Louis). The CL money for next year will be key in making that happen. I think Forlán may be at the top of some Premiership teams lists, while Kun has been rumored for AC Milan all year. I doubt he goes to the Pemiership, and I surely don't see him moving to another Spanish team. He hates Real, and I think there's WAY too much rivalry between him and Messi for him to move to Barça (plus, they don't need him). Milan may lose Kaká, and may make a huge offer for el Kun. But today belongs to my colchoneros. They should proud of the work they put in to make CL. They were in 7th place 6 games ago, and they haven't been in the top 4 since the 17th game of the season. Also thank you to Villarreal and Valencia for screwing up and allowing Atlético the chance to make it happen. Both they and Folán snuck up on some teams in the last 10 games. Big props.

Congrats on the CL sport. I think Forlan may stay but Aguero will surely be on the move this summer IMO.

 

[Native]

Im very happy that Chelsea finally won some silverware after an extremely bittersweet season. In the same breath, its sad to see Hiddink go. For one, I'm not sure Ancoletti is the right fit for the EPL (also don't see him staying more than a few seasons). Hiddink showed tremendous guile not only in leaving his stamp on the Chelsea attack, but also in playing the role of master strategist. His game plan against Barca in Spain was just tremendous and speaks volumes about his class. The players also responded to him. Drogba, and Malouda in particular were completely different players with Hiddink on the sideline. I imagine Malouda has earned himself a spot on the roster next year due to his play over the last 3-4 months.

As for those destined to leave the club, I still think that Drogba tops the list - despite his second half revival. Maybe to Inter, but Milan is also a possibility as they still need a world class striker to complement their bevy of field players. His replacement? Its anyones guess. Anelka is more likely to stay, not only because of his goal scoring record, but also because of his flexibility as both a forward and winger.

In the midfield, I believe Ballack is out of contract ans has been miscast in the Chelsea attack. With Lampard and Essien continiung to provide the goods, I can see Kenyon looking for one more wide player to take over Ballack's spot. Ribery has been mentioned, but I think he will goto United. I can see a huge splurge on Kun or even Robinho. Deco will also leave to Inter this summer and talks are already underway.

In the backline, Carvahlo is destined to leave to Inter to play alongside Mourinho once again. Not that it matters because Alex and Ianovic have more than covered for him in his absence. Ashley Cole is a bstalwart on the right side but the left back position is still unsettled. Boswinga played well vs Messi in th Champions League but hasnt shown his quality in the attack. Belletti has shown the exact opposite.

 

[andy_b]

Peter Nowak resigned this week as the assistant coach of the US National team.

Shortly there after he was named the first head coach of Philadelphia Union which will start play in MLS next season.

 

[El Floppo]

Im very happy that Chelsea finally won some silverware after an extremely bittersweet season. In the same breath, its sad to see Hiddink go. For one, I'm not sure Ancoletti is the right fit for the EPL (also don't see him staying more than a few seasons). Hiddink showed tremendous guile not only in leaving his stamp on the Chelsea attack, but also in playing the role of master strategist. His game plan against Barca in Spain was just tremendous and speaks volumes about his class. The players also responded to him. Drogba, and Malouda in particular were completely different players with Hiddink on the sideline. I imagine Malouda has earned himself a spot on the roster next year due to his play over the last 3-4 months. As for those destined to leave the club, I still think that Drogba tops the list - despite his second half revival. Maybe to Inter, but Milan is also a possibility as they still need a world class striker to complement their bevy of field players. His replacement? Its anyones guess. Anelka is more likely to stay, not only because of his goal scoring record, but also because of his flexibility as both a forward and winger.In the midfield, I believe Ballack is out of contract ans has been miscast in the Chelsea attack. With Lampard and Essien continiung to provide the goods, I can see Kenyon looking for one more wide player to take over Ballack's spot. Ribery has been mentioned, but I think he will goto United. I can see a huge splurge on Kun or even Robinho. Deco will also leave to Inter this summer and talks are already underway. In the backline, Carvahlo is destined to leave to Inter to play alongside Mourinho once again. Not that it matters because Alex and Ianovic have more than covered for him in his absence. Ashley Cole is a bstalwart on the right side but the left back position is still unsettled. Boswinga played well vs Messi in th Champions League but hasnt shown his quality in the attack. Belletti has shown the exact opposite.

It took a while for Chelsea's back line to firm up this season with the injury issues early on, but Alex, Terry, Cole and Uni-brow ended the season as arguably the best back four in the world. Same could really be said for the midfield with Deco going down and Cole later. You're dead on about Malouda- but he's shown flashes all season, but too much inconsistency. I wonder how much of his resurgence was Hiddink and how much was just getting the PT with his team mates? Dunno.Totally agree about Drogba and Milan being a good fit. He and Pato would pair a lot better than he would with Ibrahimovic at Inter (don't know if Ibra is coming back?)When Didier isn't complaining or writhing around in agony, he's a pretty lethal target man who seems to play a lot better with a slasher-type complement like Pato. He and Anelka did well towards the end of the season, but never seemed quite right together.I actually like Ballack to stay at Inter, even he'd be more useful elsewhere. I think he gives Lampard a chance to rest and can pair up with him if the lineup needs calls for it (ie: vs Barca). Kun could/would be a great fit here... sorry Z.Pretty sure you've got Cole and Bosingwa's positions switched- Cole's on the left.vis-a-vis Chelsea losing some of these players... watching the game between the EPL's 3 v 5? really highlights what a HUGE gap there is in those few spots. Everton loses 2 of their best players in Arteta and (forward... spacing on the name) and despite putting together a great campaign to stay in Europe, really didn't have a chance against the depth and quality of the top 4. Pinar(?) and 6'4, 6'10 w/afro were a big part of Everton's success down the stretch and should help them a ton next year when they get their full squad back... but unless they get some quality depth and shell the loot on it, no chance they break intot he top 4.

 

[Native]

Im very happy that Chelsea finally won some silverware after an extremely bittersweet season. In the same breath, its sad to see Hiddink go. For one, I'm not sure Ancoletti is the right fit for the EPL (also don't see him staying more than a few seasons). Hiddink showed tremendous guile not only in leaving his stamp on the Chelsea attack, but also in playing the role of master strategist. His game plan against Barca in Spain was just tremendous and speaks volumes about his class. The players also responded to him. Drogba, and Malouda in particular were completely different players with Hiddink on the sideline. I imagine Malouda has earned himself a spot on the roster next year due to his play over the last 3-4 months.

As for those destined to leave the club, I still think that Drogba tops the list - despite his second half revival. Maybe to Inter, but Milan is also a possibility as they still need a world class striker to complement their bevy of field players. His replacement? Its anyones guess. Anelka is more likely to stay, not only because of his goal scoring record, but also because of his flexibility as both a forward and winger.

In the midfield, I believe Ballack is out of contract ans has been miscast in the Chelsea attack. With Lampard and Essien continiung to provide the goods, I can see Kenyon looking for one more wide player to take over Ballack's spot. Ribery has been mentioned, but I think he will goto United. I can see a huge splurge on Kun or even Robinho. Deco will also leave to Inter this summer and talks are already underway.

In the backline, Carvahlo is destined to leave to Inter to play alongside Mourinho once again. Not that it matters because Alex and Ianovic have more than covered for him in his absence. Ashley Cole is a bstalwart on the right side but the left back position is still unsettled. Boswinga played well vs Messi in th Champions League but hasnt shown his quality in the attack. Belletti has shown the exact opposite.

It took a while for Chelsea's back line to firm up this season with the injury issues early on, but Alex, Terry, Cole and Uni-brow ended the season as arguably the best back four in the world. Same could really be said for the midfield with Deco going down and Cole later. You're dead on about Malouda- but he's shown flashes all season, but too much inconsistency. I wonder how much of his resurgence was Hiddink and how much was just getting the PT with his team mates? Dunno.

Totally agree about Drogba and Milan being a good fit. He and Pato would pair a lot better than he would with Ibrahimovic at Inter (don't know if Ibra is coming back?)When Didier isn't complaining or writhing around in agony, he's a pretty lethal target man who seems to play a lot better with a slasher-type complement like Pato. He and Anelka did well towards the end of the season, but never seemed quite right together.

I actually like Ballack to stay at Inter, even he'd be more useful elsewhere. I think he gives Lampard a chance to rest and can pair up with him if the lineup needs calls for it (ie: vs Barca). Kun could/would be a great fit here... sorry Z.

Pretty sure you've got Cole and Bosingwa's positions switched- Cole's on the left.

vis-a-vis Chelsea losing some of these players... watching the game between the EPL's 3 v 5? really highlights what a HUGE gap there is in those few spots. Everton loses 2 of their best players in Arteta and (forward... spacing on the name) and despite putting together a great campaign to stay in Europe, really didn't have a chance against the depth and quality of the top 4. Pinar(?) and 6'4, 6'10 w/afro were a big part of Everton's success down the stretch and should help them a ton next year when they get their full squad back... but unless they get some quality depth and shell the loot on it, no chance they break intot he top 4.

Well it looks like Ballack will stay on at Chelsea...Ballack Agrees to Contract Extension

 

[El Floppo]

Im very happy that Chelsea finally won some silverware after an extremely bittersweet season. In the same breath, its sad to see Hiddink go. For one, I'm not sure Ancoletti is the right fit for the EPL (also don't see him staying more than a few seasons). Hiddink showed tremendous guile not only in leaving his stamp on the Chelsea attack, but also in playing the role of master strategist. His game plan against Barca in Spain was just tremendous and speaks volumes about his class. The players also responded to him. Drogba, and Malouda in particular were completely different players with Hiddink on the sideline. I imagine Malouda has earned himself a spot on the roster next year due to his play over the last 3-4 months.

As for those destined to leave the club, I still think that Drogba tops the list - despite his second half revival. Maybe to Inter, but Milan is also a possibility as they still need a world class striker to complement their bevy of field players. His replacement? Its anyones guess. Anelka is more likely to stay, not only because of his goal scoring record, but also because of his flexibility as both a forward and winger.

In the midfield, I believe Ballack is out of contract ans has been miscast in the Chelsea attack. With Lampard and Essien continiung to provide the goods, I can see Kenyon looking for one more wide player to take over Ballack's spot. Ribery has been mentioned, but I think he will goto United. I can see a huge splurge on Kun or even Robinho. Deco will also leave to Inter this summer and talks are already underway.

In the backline, Carvahlo is destined to leave to Inter to play alongside Mourinho once again. Not that it matters because Alex and Ianovic have more than covered for him in his absence. Ashley Cole is a bstalwart on the right side but the left back position is still unsettled. Boswinga played well vs Messi in th Champions League but hasnt shown his quality in the attack. Belletti has shown the exact opposite.

It took a while for Chelsea's back line to firm up this season with the injury issues early on, but Alex, Terry, Cole and Uni-brow ended the season as arguably the best back four in the world. Same could really be said for the midfield with Deco going down and Cole later. You're dead on about Malouda- but he's shown flashes all season, but too much inconsistency. I wonder how much of his resurgence was Hiddink and how much was just getting the PT with his team mates? Dunno.

Totally agree about Drogba and Milan being a good fit. He and Pato would pair a lot better than he would with Ibrahimovic at Inter (don't know if Ibra is coming back?)When Didier isn't complaining or writhing around in agony, he's a pretty lethal target man who seems to play a lot better with a slasher-type complement like Pato. He and Anelka did well towards the end of the season, but never seemed quite right together.

I actually like Ballack to stay at Inter, even he'd be more useful elsewhere. I think he gives Lampard a chance to rest and can pair up with him if the lineup needs calls for it (ie: vs Barca). Kun could/would be a great fit here... sorry Z.

Pretty sure you've got Cole and Bosingwa's positions switched- Cole's on the left.

vis-a-vis Chelsea losing some of these players... watching the game between the EPL's 3 v 5? really highlights what a HUGE gap there is in those few spots. Everton loses 2 of their best players in Arteta and (forward... spacing on the name) and despite putting together a great campaign to stay in Europe, really didn't have a chance against the depth and quality of the top 4. Pinar(?) and 6'4, 6'10 w/afro were a big part of Everton's success down the stretch and should help them a ton next year when they get their full squad back... but unless they get some quality depth and shell the loot on it, no chance they break intot he top 4.

Well it looks like Ballack will stay on at Chelsea...Ballack Agrees to Contract Extension

INteresting... oops- I had meant to write that I like Ballack to stay at Chelsea, not Inter.

 

[El Floppo]

MIAMI (AP) -- The U.S. soccer team concluded five days of training on Sunday and was looking forward to the arrival of members who couldn't participate in preparations for the team's World Cup qualifying matches this week.

Forced to run practices without such key players as Landon Donovan, Carlos Bocanegra and DaMarcus Beasley because of their commitments to their MLS teams or European clubs, coach Bob Bradley was also in the dark about the availability of veteran defender Frankie Hejduk.

After sitting out the last two games for the Columbus Crew with a groin injury, Hejduk was set to arrive in Miami on Sunday afternoon to be evaluated by Bradley and the training staff.

''We'll evaluate him over the next few days and make some decisions, and the first decision is just is he going to be ready for Wednesday,'' Bradley said. ''He's obviously missed two games so that I think tells you there's some concern, but now we just have to try to make good decisions not only for one game but for the fact that we've got some heavy activity coming up.''

First up is a match Wednesday in San Jose, Costa Rica, where the U.S. has never beaten or tied the home team in five visits. After that the Americans will host Honduras in Chicago in another qualifier on Saturday, and then it's off to South Africa to compete in the FIFA Confederations Cup.

Should the 34-year-old Hejduk not be able to play, Bradley will likely turn to one of two 23-year-olds on his roster, Jonathan Spector or Marvell Wynne.

In addition to Hejduk, Bocanegra, Beasley, Donovan, Wynne, Pablo Mastroeni and Brian ***** were expected to join the team on Sunday. Goalkeeper Tim Howard, Benny Feilhaber and Jose Torres were slated to arrive Monday in time to board the team's charter flight to Costa Rica.

Danny Califf, who plays in Denmark, is flying directly to Costa Rica.

Those 11 players missed out on the last two days of training on the artificial turf at FIU's football stadium on Saturday and the soccer pitch on Sunday, which served as a bit of preparation for the artificial turf awaiting them in Costa Rica's Saprissa Stadium.

''Obviously, the majority of us aren't used to playing on turf, so I think a couple of days here and training over there should help us become more acclimated to their surface come Wednesday,'' said defender Oguchi Onyewu, the only player on the field for the U.S. the last time the two teams met in San Jose -- a 3-0 loss in October 2005.

''You feel the heat a lot more on turf, the ball rolls differently, your touches have got to be a lot more different and you've got to concentrate more when you have the ball at your feet,'' Onyewu said. ''But that's what being a pro's all about and I think we have the players in camp that can handle that.''

The U.S. (2-0-1) currently leads its six-team group with seven points through three of 10 qualifiers, with Costa Rica (2-1-0) just one point back followed by Honduras (1-1-1) with four points and Mexico (1-2-0) with three points. El Salvador (0-1-2) and Trinidad & Tobago (0-1-2) are bringing up the rear with two points.

WTF?I thought (I guess incorrectly) that turf was a FIFA no-no?

What do you guys think the chances are of the US getting a point here? I'm going to go out and say it's possible- in fact, I'll say 1-1 with another goal by Jozy.

And lol that I'm actually worried that Frankie might NOT play. Bizarro-world.

 

[Steve Tasker]

WTF?I thought (I guess incorrectly) that turf was a FIFA no-no?

Well, I went to a few U-20 World Cup games in Toronto two summers ago.....they were played at BMO Field, which is a turf field....and it was a FIFA World Cup, so I'm fairly sure the Canadian Men's National Team plays there from time to time as well.

 

[The Z Machine]

You know what? I actually LIKE the offseason in soccer. All the signings and drama and such. It's kind of fun to watch. There's way more action in club soccer as players move from league to league and the number of teams is huge.

Final La Liga news of note... Real Betis got relegated. They are an old squad (founding in 1907) and have a pretty fierce cross-town rivalry with Sevilla, so sadly the teams won't play each other in 2009-2010 unless they somehow meet in the Copa del Rey. Almería and Valldolid stay in the Primera for another year. Valladolid has been steadily improving over the last few seasons, so it's nice to see them earn some more money next season (and maybe they'll buy a player NOT from Spain). Just kidding on that last part, as they do have Fabián Canobbio from Uruguay.

 

[El Floppo]

WTF?I thought (I guess incorrectly) that turf was a FIFA no-no?

Well, I went to a few U-20 World Cup games in Toronto two summers ago.....they were played at BMO Field, which is a turf field....and it was a FIFA World Cup, so I'm fairly sure the Canadian Men's National Team plays there from time to time as well.

My understanding was that FIFA experimented with rule changes (such as turf) on the youth WCs. I hadn't heard that turf had made the jump to the senior level, and I haven't seen it in action yet. I also think that friendlies are treated as different than qualifiers in terms of that kind of thing. But I make most of this up as I go along, so hopefully somebody with some answers will do some learnin on us.

 

[guru_007]

You know what? I actually LIKE the offseason in soccer. All the signings and drama and such. It's kind of fun to watch. There's way more action in club soccer as players move from league to league and the number of teams is huge.

off-season? MLS action down?Watched Houston-TFC game this weekend. Not a bad display, well at least by the Dynamo. They move the ball up through the midfield and into attack very well actually. TV commentators were drawing a comparison to Barcelona vs ManU, and while I wouldn't go that far, or half that far, or even made a mention, the Dynamo attack is fairly fluid for MLS play. I think there's been a few chirps around about Stuart Holden and for good reason.Brian Ching is also way underrated. It's a bit of a shame, in that he's older than you would probably want in a USMNT attacker, but he's definitely gotten better with age. Pretty solid player, may be not world class, but you could do a lot worse.

 

[El Floppo]

You know what? I actually LIKE the offseason in soccer. All the signings and drama and such. It's kind of fun to watch. There's way more action in club soccer as players move from league to league and the number of teams is huge.Final La Liga news of note... Real Betis got relegated. They are an old squad (founding in 1907) and have a pretty fierce cross-town rivalry with Sevilla, so sadly the teams won't play each other in 2009-2010 unless they somehow meet in the Copa del Rey. Almería and Valldolid stay in the Primera for another year. Valladolid has been steadily improving over the last few seasons, so it's nice to see them earn some more money next season (and maybe they'll buy a player NOT from Spain). Just kidding on that last part, as they do have Fabián Canobbio from Uruguay.

wow... suprised to hear about Real Betis. One of my favorite Spanish players from a couple years' back... spacing on the name, but a lefty who featured maybe in the 02 WC played there.... gotta assume he's either moved on, moving or maybe even old enough to have retired?this just popped up in the "Z" file...

MADRID (AFP) - Diego Forlan, the top scorer in the Spanish league this past season, says he would only leave Atletico Madrid if he was offered a much better conditions at a new club."To accept an offer from another club, it would have to be much better than what I have at Atletico," the Uruguayan international, who has reportedly sparked interest from champions Barcelona, told sports daily Marca."For the same conditions or even just a little bit better I will stay where I am because I feel very good here," the 30-year-old said, adding he has not yet received a concrete offer for the upcoming season.Forlan, who joined Atletico in 2007 from Villarreal for 21 million euros, is under contract until 2011.A one-time player with Manchester United, when he was dubbed "Diego Forlorn" for his failure to find the net, he is now the top scorer in the Primera Liga with 32 goals, ahead of Barcelona's Cameroon international Samuel Eto'o.He was last crowned the Primera Liga's top scorer, or "pichichi", in 2004-2005.

 

[Steve Tasker]

WTF?I thought (I guess incorrectly) that turf was a FIFA no-no?

Well, I went to a few U-20 World Cup games in Toronto two summers ago.....they were played at BMO Field, which is a turf field....and it was a FIFA World Cup, so I'm fairly sure the Canadian Men's National Team plays there from time to time as well.

My understanding was that FIFA experimented with rule changes (such as turf) on the youth WCs. I hadn't heard that turf had made the jump to the senior level, and I haven't seen it in action yet. I also think that friendlies are treated as different than qualifiers in terms of that kind of thing. But I make most of this up as I go along, so hopefully somebody with some answers will do some learnin on us.

I had no idea, I kinda just thought they were all on the same level. You seem to know more about it than I do...

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Peter Nowak resigned this week as the assistant coach of the US National team.Shortly there after he was named the first head coach of Philadelphia Union which will start play in MLS next season.

As a soon-to-be Union season ticket holder, I was very pleased with this hire. You certainly can't argue with his career track record in MLS. I really like what Union has done so far - they seem to have a solid management team in place, a top-notch fan group with the Sons of Ben, and their crest is fantastic!Keeping my fingers crossed that there's something to the Clarence Seedorf DP rumors (although I'll believe it when I see it).

 

[El Floppo]

Peter Nowak resigned this week as the assistant coach of the US National team.

Shortly there after he was named the first head coach of Philadelphia Union which will start play in MLS next season.

As a soon-to-be Union season ticket holder, I was very pleased with this hire. You certainly can't argue with his career track record in MLS. I really like what Union has done so far - they seem to have a solid management team in place, a top-notch fan group with the Sons of Ben, and their crest is fantastic!Keeping my fingers crossed that there's something to the Clarence Seedorf DP rumors (although I'll believe it when I see it).

Usully not a fan of the big-name, fading-star Euro DP slots... but I frigging LOVE Seedorf and he's got more than enough left in his tank to be productive at a high level for a couple of years. And more importantly, based on the work-ethic I see from him on the field, I'm going to assume he's a monster on the training grounds- those young players are going to learn a ton (if this happens).Again- I've been really impressed by how Seattle put their team together. Mix of quality, but unflashy veterans with a couple of young internationals (the Columbian kid is fantastic) and young Nats. Put them in front of a fantastic GK and that team is playing far beyond where they should be as a first year team.

An aside- I kinda wish future MLS expansion teams get picked as existing USL or other teams, ie: Rochester, Carolina, Etc. Keep the existing fan base (ableit small) and a core of players/coaches/management in place. Bad idea?

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Peter Nowak resigned this week as the assistant coach of the US National team.

Shortly there after he was named the first head coach of Philadelphia Union which will start play in MLS next season.

As a soon-to-be Union season ticket holder, I was very pleased with this hire. You certainly can't argue with his career track record in MLS. I really like what Union has done so far - they seem to have a solid management team in place, a top-notch fan group with the Sons of Ben, and their crest is fantastic!Keeping my fingers crossed that there's something to the Clarence Seedorf DP rumors (although I'll believe it when I see it).

Usully not a fan of the big-name, fading-star Euro DP slots... but I frigging LOVE Seedorf and he's got more than enough left in his tank to be productive at a high level for a couple of years. And more importantly, based on the work-ethic I see from him on the field, I'm going to assume he's a monster on the training grounds- those young players are going to learn a ton (if this happens).Again- I've been really impressed by how Seattle put their team together. Mix of quality, but unflashy veterans with a couple of young internationals (the Columbian kid is fantastic) and young Nats. Put them in front of a fantastic GK and that team is playing far beyond where they should be as a first year team.

An aside- I kinda wish future MLS expansion teams get picked as existing USL or other teams, ie: Rochester, Carolina, Etc. Keep the existing fan base (ableit small) and a core of players/coaches/management in place. Bad idea?

They are doing that with Portland and Vancouver joining MLS in 2011. Plus Montreal is always amongst those rumored as getting a team at some point, although how much bigger can/should the league get? They'll be at 18 teams in 2011, maybe you go to 20, but I'd stop for awhile after that and let the talent catch up.I think a balance need to be struck between placing teams in large, strategic metro markets and places where the game is already thriving. Of course the overriding consideration is if the team builds an SSS. Seattle was a perfect addition, and while Philly doesn't have a recent men's pro soccer history, they're the 6th largest metro market, they complete the NE corridor with NE, RBNY and DCU, and they're building an SSS. It's too big a market to ignore forever.

I don't see Rochester as being a large enough market for MLS expansion, although their fans are great. And I'd tread lightly into the Southeast considering that they've already failed in Florida and the NHL's expansion hasn't gone all that great down there. I think the logical cities for 19 and 20 are St. Louis (strong soccer history, instant rivalries with KC and Chicago, willing to build an SSS) and either Montreal or a 2nd team in New York, that actually plays in the city (the Mets' ownership has been rumored as being interested in building an SSS in Queens).

 

[The Z Machine]

Brian Ching is also way underrated. It's a bit of a shame, in that he's older than you would probably want in a USMNT attacker, but he's definitely gotten better with age. Pretty solid player, may be not world class, but you could do a lot worse.

BRONG!!Ching is adequate playing against mid-level CONCACAF competition, but against anything resembling decent competition he fades into oblivion. Sure the guy works hard and has a motor, but he doesn't have the skill, athleticism, or field vision to compete well at the World Cup.

 

[Steve Tasker]

I'm not sure Rochester would be able to sustain an MLS team. I'd love it, and I'd buy season tickets immediately, but Buffalo and Syracuse (Rochester would draw fans from both) aren't exactly soccer hotbeds. They don't sell out the 13,000 seater (average like 10,000/game, IIRC) that they play in, and I'm not sure how much would change.

I'd love to see it though.

Montreal could definitely support an MLS team, but I thought they went on record last year saying they don't want one right now?

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

I'm not sure Rochester would be able to sustain an MLS team. I'd love it, and I'd buy season tickets immediately, but Buffalo and Syracuse (Rochester would draw fans from both) aren't exactly soccer hotbeds. They don't sell out the 13,000 seater (average like 10,000/game, IIRC) that they play in, and I'm not sure how much would change.I'd love to see it though.Montreal could definitely support an MLS team, but I thought they went on record last year saying they don't want one right now?

I think their expansion plans were done in by the recession, because they'd need to upgrade their stadium to make it MLS ready, and the time just wasn't right in this environment.Maybe 18 teams is the number for awhile. Of course if Barcelona or another big club comes back to MLS with a plan to get an expansion team, all bets are off.

 

[guru_007]

Brian Ching is also way underrated. It's a bit of a shame, in that he's older than you would probably want in a USMNT attacker, but he's definitely gotten better with age. Pretty solid player, may be not world class, but you could do a lot worse.

BRONG!!Ching is adequate playing against mid-level CONCACAF competition, but against anything resembling decent competition he fades into oblivion. Sure the guy works hard and has a motor, but he doesn't have the skill, athleticism, or field vision to compete well at the World Cup.

As I said, he is a touch below world class, but I think he has more skill, athleticism and most certainly field vision than he is given credit for, thus his underratedness. He makes tremendous passes now with near perfect weight, to get his teammates the ball in good positions. He is not the type of player that will dominate, but I consider him a poor man's Ryan Giggs for lack of better example.And btw, tons of USMNT players fade into oblivion against world class competition.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Brian Ching is also way underrated. It's a bit of a shame, in that he's older than you would probably want in a USMNT attacker, but he's definitely gotten better with age. Pretty solid player, may be not world class, but you could do a lot worse.

BRONG!!Ching is adequate playing against mid-level CONCACAF competition, but against anything resembling decent competition he fades into oblivion. Sure the guy works hard and has a motor, but he doesn't have the skill, athleticism, or field vision to compete well at the World Cup.

As I said, he is a touch below world class, but I think he has more skill, athleticism and most certainly field vision than he is given credit for, thus his underratedness. He makes tremendous passes now with near perfect weight, to get his teammates the ball in good positions. He is not the type of player that will dominate, but I consider him a poor man's Ryan Giggs for lack of better example.And btw, tons of USMNT players fade into oblivion against world class competition.

All due respect, Ryan Giggs is without question one of the greatest players of all time. I quote Alessandro Del Piero:

”Only two players that made me cry when watching football, one was Diego Maradona, the other was Ryan Giggs"

Brian Ching, well, isn't.

 

[scoobygang]

Giggs is, admittedly, an awful comparison to Ching. Different positions and different skillsets. I still think Ching is an important player in the USMNT setup and should continue to be considered so until we get evidence otherwise.

A better comparison, to me, would be to Emile Heskey. Like Ching, Heskey isn't the most skilled player in the world. In fact, I'd argue Heskey is a considerably worse finisher than Ching. But Heskey is hard working. He's physical. And he's intelligent. He does lots of dirty work that allows players like Rooney, Defoe, and even Walcott to excel at what they do best. When Rooney doesn't have Heskey playing with him, he has to do a lot of that stuff himself. And he's very good at it, but it's still better for England for someone else to do it.The US doesn't have Wayne Rooney. We don't have a player who can do all the hard work himself AND score goals. Jozy just can't do it.

I don't think Jozy is in competition with Ching. Because whatever Jozy brings to the table, he's not as good at holding the ball up, winning headers, or intelligently switching play as Ching is. If we need to play a dirty work guy and a finisher (instead of just playing our two most "skilled" strikers), Jozy is really in competition with whoever we play on the flanks. Because if we have to put Jozy in, we'll move Landon to the wing. And if we don't, Landon will play behind Ching.

I don't understand the argument that workrate, intelligence, and physicality somehow translates worse against good competition than skill. If anything, I think it's exactly the opposite. Players like Jozy and Landon, who are uncommonly skilled for CONCACAF, will likely find it harder to assert those skills against better competition. That's why I think players like McBride, Bocanegra, and Bradley are more successful in overseas leagues than some of our more talented American players. That's not to say that we don't need skill on the field, but playing Jozy, Landon and Freddy Adu (for example) would be a disaster IMO.

 

[Kendall]

Soccernet Article on Ching:

It has become the morning-after ritual. Brian Ching isn't flashy but does the dirty work to complement players like Landon Donovan. (Victor Decolongon/GettyImages) Following nearly any U.S. national team game of note, one can log onto message boards discussing U.S. soccer and expect at least one constant. Win, lose or draw, there will be a lot of hand-wringing, and most of it will center on Brian Ching. When his name is announced Wednesday as a starter against Costa Rica, American fans probably will slap their foreheads collectively. "I really try not to think about it, because I learned a long time ago no matter how good you are, people are going to criticize you," Ching said. "I bet there are people out there who criticize [Cristiano] Ronaldo, so I try not to pay attention to what fans say. What matters most for me is that when I play, I help the team win."Houston Dynamo head coach Dominic Kinnear has won two MLS Cups, both with Ching as a vital part of the lineup. A former national team player himself, Kinnear said he can relate to the pressures and expectations placed on Ching but can't fully understand why he faces so much criticism. Kinnear says unequivocally that a team can't consist solely of high-profile players, and that a place exists on the national team roster for someone like Ching."His strike rate is pretty incredible," said Kinnear, who compares Ching favorably with former national team striker Brian McBride. "Sometimes I troll the message boards a bit -- I don't make a habit of it too much -- and I am surprised by what these people have to say. I don't think most of them could coach any soccer team, judging from what they have to say. I laugh because these fans don't get the chance to see a player every day." Kinnear said fans always seem to enjoy picking on one player and that the Dynamo forward seems to be that player right now. The problem with Ching is that he just isn't a sexy player. For the first time in its history, the U.S. team has some intriguing options in its attack, and Ching's workmanlike effort doesn't fit this new mold. He lacks the excitement of some of the attackers on the team. From the stands, it is easy to label him as ordinary. Except to those who have to defend him. At 6-foot-1, Ching has the size of a prototypical holding forward and is perhaps one of the most physically dominant forwards in MLS. Perhaps the most imposing in the CONCACF (Confederation of North and Central American and Caribbean Football ) region."There aren't many players like him in CONCACAF," said Costa Rican defender Gonzalo Segares. "He is big and strong and physical the way he plays, and it's tough for many to slow him down." Segares, who has played against Ching in both MLS and at the national team level, said the player is one of the toughest to stop in the region. He notes that the forward holds the ball and maintains possession very well, shielding and protecting so that an attack can be sustained. The Costa Rican international conceded that any time he goes up against the Dynamo striker, he knows he won't walk away happy. "I know I will be sore the next day," Segares said. "I will be limping and bruised." Ask those who have played with the Dynamo forward, and they'll say that "Chingy" does the little things that make life easier for his teammates. In the locker room and on the field, he is known as the player who throws down his body for the team. He also is praised as a cerebral player whose effort elevates the performance of everyone around him. "You look at a guy like 'Chingy,' and he is someone who isn't afraid to mix it up," McBride said. "But he isn't just a physical forward. He is a very smart player on and off the ball, and that is what makes him a great fit for [u.S. national team coach] Bob [bradley]." In many ways, the rise of Ching in the national team picture mirrors McBride's play. Once labeled as one-dimensional, McBride is now the stuff of lore. His similarities with Ching are striking. "[Ching is a] big-game player," said former national team forward Eric Wynalda, the second-leading scorer in national team history. "Great option off the bench if the game didn't suit him as a starter. A lot more talented than people think. Maybe people shouldn't think as much as they do." In fact, Wynalda has no problem comparing Ching with McBride, saying that fans have treated both similarly. Wynalda said unequivocally that in this regard, "U.S. fans are too picky." He sees Ching as a valuable asset on the field and a player who is a perfect complement to the other pieces around him. "Every forward who drifts in and out loves a constant partner like Brian," Wynalda said. "A great hold-up guy who uses his strength well. It is why he plays well with the little one." The little one? "Landon [Donovan]," Wynalda said. Ching doesn't come with a lot of pedigree or hype. After the L.A. Galaxy drafted him in 2002, he eventually moved to the USL's Seattle Sounders for more playing time. After impressing with the Sounders, he worked his way back into MLS, where his play with the San Jose Earthquakes and the Houston Dynamo earned him three all-star game appearances. One of Ching's chief attributes is his skill as a target man. Bradley likes the forward's ability to hold the ball under pressure, as he exhibited during the team's dramatic 2-1 win over Mexico in the 2007 Gold Cup final. His ability to lay off a deft pass and run off the ball are the small things that make him a perfect fit for Bradley and vice versa. Not to mention that the U.S. has posted an 8-0-1 mark in games when Ching has scored."I think what Bob has brought to the team is a shake-up of attitude," Ching said. "Personally, I thought that some players got to comfortable under [former U.S. national team coach] Bruce [Arena]. Not knocking anyone, but when players know that they are going to play regardless of how they perform, it's natural for some to not perform at their best."Bob has done a good job of having a focus for the team and always reminding us of it and pushing us towards it."And pushing is something that Ching and the rest of his teammates will need to do, as this week's matches against Costa Rica and Honduras could prove to be major stumbling blocks en route to qualifying for next summer's World Cup."I think this is going to be the hardest back-to-back games that we have in qualifying," Ching said. "We will need to match their intensity and commitment, stay organized and take advantage of our opportunities."Kristian R. Dyer is a freelance writer for ESPNsoccernet. He is the associate editor of Blitz magazine and also writes for the New York City daily paper Metro. He can be reached for comment at KristianRDyer@yahoo.com.

I think that article sums him up pretty nicely. He isn't flashy, isn't world class, but he goes out and does what is asked of him. Before I read this I would have called him McBride without the goals.

 

[The Z Machine]

Please point me to a game where Ching was the player of the match. I can't recall one, but I'll be the first to admit that my memory isn't the best.

I think that a starting striker for a national team the caliber of the USA should be able to pick up a MoM every once in a while. Jozy's already done it...

 

[scoobygang]

Please point me to a game where Ching was the player of the match. I can't recall one, but I'll be the first to admit that my memory isn't the best.I think that a starting striker for a national team the caliber of the USA should be able to pick up a MoM every once in a while. Jozy's already done it...

That's a pretty dumb standard to have, especially considering the arguments coming from those saying he belongs on the team. We're explicitly arguing that his role on the team is to do work that lets someone else be the man of the match. It would be like asking how many times Pablo Mastroeni has been Man of the Match. If he's the MOTM, then the US hasn't had a good game. That doesn't mean he doesn't have good games when Landon or Jozy or Beasley or someone else is MOTM. For my money, I've seen games where Ching was my Man of the Match. The away win (in an ugly game) in Guetemala where Ching setup the winning goal, for example (where I think he should have shared MOTM with Howard). And invariably people on message boards slagged him in those games. I don't know how to respond to that. If I'm telling you that you don't value the type of things a player does, then of course I'm not going to be able to offer you examples where you will agree that he played the best match. Besides, I don't think Jozy was the Man of the Match in the T&T game. Landon was. Jozy put 3 balls in the net. I don't discount that. But if I'm assigning credit for each of those goals, then I give Ching and Landon more credit than Jozy for goal 1. I give Landon at least as much credit for goal 2 as Jozy (Jozy did make an excellent move). And I give Jozy virtually no credit for goal 3. Landon teed him up on a golden platter and Jozy scuffed a shot that almost any other international keeper in the world would have saved.I think Jozy should start for the national team. I just don't think you pull Ching to do that. If my choices are Jozy leading the line, Landon in the hole, and Beasley on the left flank OR Ching leading the line, Jozy in the hole, and Landon on the left flank? I'll take the second option.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Giggs is, admittedly, an awful comparison to Ching. Different positions and different skillsets. I still think Ching is an important player in the USMNT setup and should continue to be considered so until we get evidence otherwise.

I didn't want to be the one to say it....but Ryan Giggs? I don't really see any comparison between the two....not a knock on Ching, I just think they play completely different styles.

 

[El Floppo]

Giggs is, admittedly, an awful comparison to Ching. Different positions and different skillsets. I still think Ching is an important player in the USMNT setup and should continue to be considered so until we get evidence otherwise.

I didn't want to be the one to say it....but Ryan Giggs? I don't really see any comparison between the two....not a knock on Ching, I just think they play completely different styles.

Yeah, that was a howler right there. Ching= poor-man's McBride... work hard, win some balls in the air, get the ball quickly to the feet of his team-mates slashing by him, and occasionally score a goal (McBride was obviously better in this regard). I don't see either guy turning and beating anybody, or setting themselves up for a shot- but they'll work hard to find the space to receive the ball for a shot and win a head-ball or two.And I'm beginning to agree wtih Scooby in terms of seeing Ching's value for the USMNT. Without him, LD, DMB, CD will all have to get themselves forward with the ball wich is a big ask- Ching does a good, not great, and consistent job winning the ball and distributing to one of them moving foward which is vital to the US attack. I still haven't seen Ching and Jozy really figure things out together, but I look forward to when they do.

 

[The Z Machine]

Here's the deal IMO with respect to Ching. Against decent competition, the US doesn't have enough talent to play a game where Ching can hold up the ball to feed his teammates. The US will have to play a smart attacking game with a bunch of through balls, crosses to players' feet, and passes to attackers cutting into channels in the defense. Ching fulfills none of those roles well IMO, and the more athleticism that the US can field at a time, the better.

My point about MoM awards is that they often go to attacking players, especially strikers playing at the point of attack as Ching does. Scoob, your Pablo comparison is pretty far off base. Strikers are often the finishers, and the players that often set the tone of the attack. Ching can do that, but only against weaker sides. Against better defenders, he may bruise them up a little bit, but he's not gonna scare them. McBride was good and the best forward the US has ever had. Ching is no McBride. They may play similar games, but McBride had a nose for the goal that Ching doesn't have (at the national level). The best team he's ever scored against is Guatemala (in a friendly). Finally, he has only scored ONCE playing for the USMNT abroad. That's not world class... hell, that's not even 2nd class for international strikers.

Look, I'm not trying to be insulting or dismissive of Brian Ching. I think he brings a great attitude and work ethic to the team. He's not a head case, he's not a primadonna, and he's a good role model for the younger players. He has a place in the USMNT squad, no doubt. But I'd rather not see him start. Rather, I'd rather see him come into game in the 70th minute while the US is up 1-0 and want to tie up the ball and cause physical disruption to the opposition backline.

 

[El Floppo]

Here's the deal IMO with respect to Ching. Against decent competition, the US doesn't have enough talent to play a game where Ching can hold up the ball to feed his teammates. The US will have to play a smart attacking game with a bunch of through balls, crosses to players' feet, and passes to attackers cutting into channels in the defense. Ching fulfills none of those roles well IMO, and the more athleticism that the US can field at a time, the better.My point about MoM awards is that they often go to attacking players, especially strikers playing at the point of attack as Ching does. Scoob, your Pablo comparison is pretty far off base. Strikers are often the finishers, and the players that often set the tone of the attack. Ching can do that, but only against weaker sides. Against better defenders, he may bruise them up a little bit, but he's not gonna scare them. McBride was good and the best forward the US has ever had. Ching is no McBride. They may play similar games, but McBride had a nose for the goal that Ching doesn't have (at the national level). The best team he's ever scored against is Guatemala (in a friendly). Finally, he has only scored ONCE playing for the USMNT abroad. That's not world class... hell, that's not even 2nd class for international strikers.Look, I'm not trying to be insulting or dismissive of Brian Ching. I think he brings a great attitude and work ethic to the team. He's not a head case, he's not a primadonna, and he's a good role model for the younger players. He has a place in the USMNT squad, no doubt. But I'd rather not see him start. Rather, I'd rather see him come into game in the 70th minute while the US is up 1-0 and want to tie up the ball and cause physical disruption to the opposition backline.

Don't disagree with what you're saying, but I think you're misreading how the US has played historically.Ching and McBride before him were not the typical Holding/Target forwards. Neither of them were very good at receiving the ball AND holding it for more than a few touches (I'd actually give the edge to Ching with that). But- they are both very good at getting themselves in position to win a ball up front as a target man and play a one or two touch pass to one of the MFs streaking through. That's the whole US MO in attack when it's not played through the wings and Ching is the best we've got in that regard. Ideally, that quick pass in to Ching and one-touch ball to LD or whoever will then free up Jozy for a diagonal ball through to goal or into space.

 

[scoobygang]

Here's the deal IMO with respect to Ching. Against decent competition, the US doesn't have enough talent to play a game where Ching can hold up the ball to feed his teammates. The US will have to play a smart attacking game with a bunch of through balls, crosses to players' feet, and passes to attackers cutting into channels in the defense. Ching fulfills none of those roles well IMO, and the more athleticism that the US can field at a time, the better.

Another way for the US to beat top competition would be to have the best player in the world dribble through nine opponents and score. Unfortunately, we don't have Diego Maradonna.Last time I checked, playing perfectly weighted through balls and crosses that land at attackers' feet were the type of things the more talented teams did best. I don't see where you're getting the idea that the US has the type of talent to play this way against world class opposition. Your argument is that we don't have the talent to value workrate and hold up play. My argument is that we don't have the talent to ignore it.

 

[andy_b]

I'm not sure Rochester would be able to sustain an MLS team. I'd love it, and I'd buy season tickets immediately, but Buffalo and Syracuse (Rochester would draw fans from both) aren't exactly soccer hotbeds. They don't sell out the 13,000 seater (average like 10,000/game, IIRC) that they play in, and I'm not sure how much would change.

I am in agreement with you.However just looking at the USL crowds is not always the best indicator.Seattle went from barely drawing 3500 in the USL, to a whopping 29,000 a game in MLS in one year.

 

[LHUCKS]

Ching sucks...all I really care about is how we perform in 2010 and Ching has repeatedly proven he can't compete with elite national competition...he just can't do anything against the more skilled international competition.

I know I'm in the minority but I Would like to see more Freddy Adu in the midfield...he's not perfect, but he's got ball skills and knows how to attack with the pass...something the US has been inconsistent at for years.

 

[Steve Tasker]

I think Heskey is a pretty good comparison to Ching's style. First person that came to mind for me was John Carew, although Carew's sheer size is a bit of disparity between the two (skills aside, of course...Ching and Carew are nowhere near the same level)

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Ching is past his prime (31) and wasn't that good to start with. He will be even worse by next year. Start palying Jozy who will be better than he is next year.

 

[The Z Machine]

Scoob, I might have to change my tune, as I generally enjoy siding with you in arguments (and LHUCKS joined my side).

You raise a good point though about not being able to place those crosses and passes in the attacking game I outlined above. I was indicating players on the wings making a big impact on the attack, and recently IMO that's been the case. Beasley has played very well in this respect over the last 2-3 years, and from what I've seen from Torres and even Sacha at times has impressed me. We've gone back and forth about LD being in the middle as a withdrawn striker or with him on the right wing (and sometimes left). He sometimes gets lost on the wings and his "streaking" ability doesn't get used as it should.

I guess it just comes down to a) personal preference in style of play, and b) desire to see the best players on the field. I prefer an outside-in approach with nice crosses and diagonal passing as opposed to target men up front playing back to MFs. I also think that Ching is not one of the best players on the team, and while he's not a liability (as much as a striker CAN be a liability) he hasn't shown much of game-changing or finishing for my liking. He's simply not explosive, and even though the US is disciplined in general and knows their tactics well, they need to have some players that can strike fear into other teams. Brian Ching is not that player.

 

[El Floppo]

Ching is past his prime (31) and wasn't that good to start with. He will be even worse by next year. Start palying Jozy who will be better than he is next year.

They already started playing Jozy. But Jozy isn't the right fit for the system the US is forced to run due to skill level, unless he's matched up next to somebody who can play as more of a target role. I've seen Jozy hold the ball up pretty well- and maybe he can turn into that guy PLUS somebody who can turn and beat players. But he doesn't know the game as well as CHing, especially in terms of USMNT.The goal here isn't to get the guys who we think will be the best players in '10. We still have to qualify and Ching helps the team right now. Will he be there next year? At least on the bench.Heskey isn't the best comparison to Ching, IMO. Heskey can really sit on the ball while keeping defenders off- Ching not so much. Heskey's a big guy too. Can't think of an immediate player other than McBride... it'll come to me.

 

[LHUCKS]

But Jozy isn't the right fit for the system the US is forced to run due to skill level

How so?

 

[Steve Tasker]

Ching is past his prime (31) and wasn't that good to start with. He will be even worse by next year. Start palying Jozy who will be better than he is next year.

They already started playing Jozy. But Jozy isn't the right fit for the system the US is forced to run due to skill level, unless he's matched up next to somebody who can play as more of a target role. I've seen Jozy hold the ball up pretty well- and maybe he can turn into that guy PLUS somebody who can turn and beat players. But he doesn't know the game as well as CHing, especially in terms of USMNT.The goal here isn't to get the guys who we think will be the best players in '10. We still have to qualify and Ching helps the team right now. Will he be there next year? At least on the bench.Heskey isn't the best comparison to Ching, IMO. Heskey can really sit on the ball while keeping defenders off- Ching not so much. Heskey's a big guy too. Can't think of an immediate player other than McBride... it'll come to me.

Well, I don't think anyone's arguing that Ching is as good as Heskey....Heskey is obviously better in a lot of facets of the game.I like Ching, I think he has a place in the team, but he's not a world-class striker. Without McBride, the USMNT, IMO, just doesn't have that real venomous, threat-to-score-anytime-he-touches-the-ball-in-the-box player. Ching may look and play like McBride in terms of size, speed, etc....but he's no McBride.I do think he fits well as the single-striker in Bradley's beloved 4-5-1 formation, but he doesn't have "it" at the higher level. I know it goes without saying, but the US desperately needs the guy who strikes fear into the hearts of the defense...the guy who, as a defender, you sit around and talk about all week leading up to this game. I'm not even sure if McBride was that kind of player, but he's better than who we have now. And don't get me wrong, this isn't a knock on Donovan, all-time USMNT leading scorer....but he's not an out-and-out super striker.The Eddie Johnson experiment was a failure (at this point). The Taylor Twellman experiment was an even bigger failure. Could Jozy be the guy? He looks like the next great hope.I think we all agree that Ching isn't the guy. Will someone (Jozy, maybe even someone like Kenny Cooper if he ever gets a shot) truly emerge before the next WC? I hope so. But for now, I really think Ching is the best we have. And like I said, he seems to fit Bradley's defensive formation pretty well. He just needs a lot of help....he's not going to dominate a game as a single-striker in a 4-5-1.

 

[The Z Machine]

I think I may have come around to the Ching supporter's view in the short term. There's no need to risk a tough(ish) qualifying match on an somewhat unproven and young player like Jozy, no matter how much talent he has. Ching should start this game, but (I really hope) that his time as a starter for the USMNT is limited. It's likely that the US will be the first team out of the hexagonal and will have 2 games where they can mix it up a bit. And, it's likely that Jozy will get PT in the Costa Rica game, as I can can see the US being down 1 or 2 goals in the early 2nd half if things go wrong.

Jozy will come in in the 65th minute, score two goals (the last one in extra time on a sweet turn and shoot) to get the point in Saprissa, and then solidify his spot in the USMNT.

 

[El Floppo]

But Jozy isn't the right fit for the system the US is forced to run due to skill level

How so?

The US moves the ball through the Midfield quickly to either the flanks or to their target forward- Ching. Everything the US does is in a couple of touches- which means the guy up front has to be able to have the work-rate, knowledge, strength and skills to get to where he needs to be, win the ball, and with one or two touches release the MFs who slash through by him or in support to then play one of the flanks through.The US just doesn't have the skills yet to control the ball and the game against anybody other than marginal competition; that goes for ball-handling as well as shielding/holding skills. The team does a good job using their strengths- positioning, fitness and speed (on and off the ball) when they're at their best.eta: Sorry- I didn't explain the Jozy part of that... Jozy isn't there yet in his field-awareness and work-rate, IMO. I love the kid, but the team is best served with him in a 4-4-2 paired with Ching. I look forward to Jozy proving me really, really wrong.eta2: Jozy, does better- the last I saw him (and hopefully his game has grown in Spain)- going at goal than with his back to it. he's pretty good there too- just not yet ready to adequately get the US MF involved, IMO.

 

[El Floppo]

SAN JUAN, Costa Rica (AP) -- U.S. defender Frankie Hejduk is out for Wednesday's World Cup qualifier at Costa Rica with a groin injury.

Again- I never thought I'd see the day where this news meant anything other than to me.

 

[Christo]

SAN JUAN, Costa Rica (AP) -- U.S. defender Frankie Hejduk is out for Wednesday's World Cup qualifier at Costa Rica with a groin injury.

Again- I never thought I'd see the day where this news meant anything other than to me.

He has been playing well lately.

 

[Texas Football]

I think I may have come around to the Ching supporter's view in the short term. There's no need to risk a tough(ish) qualifying match on an somewhat unproven and young player like Jozy, no matter how much talent he has. Ching should start this game, but (I really hope) that his time as a starter for the USMNT is limited. It's likely that the US will be the first team out of the hexagonal and will have 2 games where they can mix it up a bit. And, it's likely that Jozy will get PT in the Costa Rica game, as I can can see the US being down 1 or 2 goals in the early 2nd half if things go wrong. Jozy will come in in the 65th minute, score two goals (the last one in extra time on a sweet turn and shoot) to get the point in Saprissa, and then solidify his spot in the USMNT.

This is pretty much exactly how I see the game going down.I am going to add that Coach bradley has a mild heart attack before the game and Klinsman is announced as the interim for the next 1.5 years. At which point the US plays an exciting all out attack style going forward and Altidore wins the Golden Boot in Africa with a record 17 goals(12 unassisted). All as a 2nd half sub.The final will be USA V Brazil. 6-0 USA in extra-time!! That's right, 6 goals in extra time!!

 

[El Floppo]

U.S. ARRIVES IN COSTA RICA FOR JUNE 3 QUALIFIER: The U.S. Men’s National Team will arrive in San Jose, Costa Rica, on Monday afternoon to continue preparations for this Wednesday’s FIFA World Cup qualifier at Estadio Ricardo Saprissa. The June 3 match will kick off at 8 p.m. MT live on ESPN and Galavision, with fans also able to follow ussoccer.com’s MatchTracker. The U.S. team will twice take to the turf at Saprissa to prepare for a Costa Rica side that is one point behind the U.S. in the CONCACAF final round table. Midfielder Maurice Edu will not travel due to a knee injury suffered in Rangers final league match on May 24 against Dundee that caused him to miss action last weekend. No decision has been made on if a replacement will be called in for Edu. All told, 24 players will travel to Costa Rica with training camp invitee Eric Lichaj included in the traveling party

Well ####. I was really looking forward to seeing him play again based on the positive feedback coming in this thead from his play in Scotland.

 

[El Floppo]

U.S. ROSTER BY POSITION GOALKEEPERS (2): Brad Guzan (Aston Villa: 5/3 SO), Tim Howard (Everton: 9/7 SO) DEFENDERS (9): Carlos Bocanegra (Rennes: 19/2), Jonathan Bornstein (Chivas USA: 1/0), Danny Califf (Midtjylland: 4/0), Jay DeMerit (Watford: 1/0), Frankie Hejduk (Columbus Crew: 17/2), Oguchi Onyewu (Standard de Liege: 14/1), Heath Pearce (Hansa Rostock: 9/0), Jonathan Spector (West Ham United: 2/1), Marvell Wynne (Toronto FC: 0/0) MIDFIELDERS (8): Freddy Adu (Monaco: 5/1), DaMarcus Beasley (Rangers: 24/6), Michael Bradley (Borussia Mönchengladbach: 9/4), Maurice Edu (Rangers: 4/0), Benny Feilhaber (Aarhus: 0/0), Sacha Kljestan (Chivas USA: 9/0), Pablo Mastroeni (Colorado Rapids: 13/0), José Francisco Torres (Pachuca: 4/0) FORWARDS (5): Jozy Altidore (Xerez: 6/5), Brian Ching (Houston Dynamo: 15/6), Charlie Davies (Hammarby: 1/1), Clint Dempsey (Fulham: 15/4), Landon Donovan (Los Angeles Galaxy: 28/9) *numbers indicate all-time World Cup Qualifying caps/goals

So what do you guys think the lineup will be?HowardSpector, Gooch, Boca, PearceDempsey, Pablo, Bradley, DMBLDChing

 

[LHUCKS]

Do we know for certain that Altidore isn't starting...ridiculous if he isn't.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Do we know for certain that Altidore isn't starting...ridiculous if he isn't.

BB usually goes with a veteran lineup in Central America qualifiers, so I'd be shocked if it wasn't Ching upfront with Dempsey as a withdrawn forward. Jozy may get some run in the last 20 minutes or so depending on the score.