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huh, almost if on queue, Najar scored the winner for DC United last night in the Open Cup===================================
I want to mail pictures of my taint to Hicks and Gillet.
Fingers crossed that Torres, Gerrard, and Mascherano aren't out the door after him. No way will these five and a half foot sixty year olds turds spend the money on the sale of those players if they do leave. BBBBUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERafa's officially gone. I'm completely depressed. These owners are complete fools.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...-fc-statement-1
:X That side is mid table at best. If we had competent ownership and knew money from sales would be used to bring in new players I would be OK with selling Gerrard. I think he's past his prime and if we could get £30m - £40m based on his past performances, we could improve the squad for the future. Problem is, any sales will just go to pay off debt. If I had to guess, I think Torres and Gerrard stay for 1 more year, Masch will force his way out to Barca for £20m - £25m. They'll be gone after continued failure next season.
I completely agree on Gerrard even though he's my favorite player. Now seems like the time that you're most likely to get someone to overpay for him relative to production. But I have 0% faith that we'd replace him with anything.
Losing Gerrard now would just cripple the psyce of most fans I would think. I would cry. For the sole sake of Morale he cannot leave.
I have 2008 I think. I have no desire to get a newer version now seeing how much Liverpool is going to blow. Very addictive game though. I haven't touched it this year thank god, but I think my addictedness rating was "turning your underwear inside out saves time on washing"Anyone play Football Manager 2010? Highly addictive and really helping me learn the game.
oofWelcome to the middle of the table.
Sounds like a great program they have, but isn't the trouble going to be keeping these guys in the US? Ignoring the higher level of competition and recognition the players will gain by playing outside of the US, how can the MLS match the pay? I would love to see the MLS grow to a higher competitive level, but I can't see how if the superstars regularly go elsewhere for the bigger paydays. And also not sure about the impact of the MLS on this WC team - don't we have only have like 3 or 4 guys on the team who play in the MLS?
How many were from MLS ten years ago.
Good point - guess that leads back to keeping the superstars here.How many were from MLS ten years ago.
Troubling?? Not really. It's expected.
The MLS and this system are good for US soccer regardless of where people are playing now. In addition to the current MLS guys Howard, Dempsey, Bocanegra, Bradley, Clark, Holden and Altidore were all players that came through the MLS before moving on to Europe. Spector and DeMerit were part of the academy system.
We wont keep the stars here for a long time, with maybe a few exceptions. But that doesn't invalidate the league, just like it doesn't invalidate the South American leagues for failing to keep their best players.Good point - guess that leads back to keeping the superstars here.How many were from MLS ten years ago.
MLS is never going to compete with EPL, Bundesliga, Serie A & La Liga because it will always be a secondary sport in the US. But the idea should be to get MLS up to the level of the other European countries. The way to do that is to pay enough to get second tier European players to see MLS as a viable option earlier in their careers.
We wont keep the stars here for a long time, with maybe a few exceptions. But that doesn't invalidate the league, just like it doesn't invalidate the South American leagues for failing to keep their best players.Good point - guess that leads back to keeping the superstars here.How many were from MLS ten years ago.
Bigging up this kid as a possible future US international, yet up in arms over the fact that Rossi chose to play for Italy? A little hypocrisy here perchance?
This is the lineage of the roster in relation to MLS proper (not youth teams or academies). This is off the top of my head but I think its pretty accurateHoward - Former MLSGuzan - Former MLSHanehman - Former MLSCherundolo - No MLS tiesBoca - Former MLSGooch - No MLS tiesSpector - No MLS tiesGoodson - Former MLSBornstein - Current MLSDemerit - No MLS tiesDempsey - Former MLSBradley - Former MLSDonovan - Former MLSClark - Former MLSEdu - Former MLSHolden - Former MLSBeasley - Former MLSBenny - No MLS tiesTorres - No MLS tiesBuddle - Current MLSGomez - Former MLSJozy - Former MLSFindley - Current MLSGood point - guess that leads back to keeping the superstars here.How many were from MLS ten years ago.
I think there is a difference (you can decide if it is big or small) between moving to a country at 13 vs moving to a country at 17. The years between 13 and 17 are HUGE for player development.
Actually MLS should ignore the second tier Euro countries IMO, they are meaningless. They need to be the highest paying league in the America's(North and South), which means topping Mexico some day. If and when MLS grows to be bigger than the Mexican league, the quality of play will improve dramatically.
Im still sorting with the other box to open.
Rossi moved to play for Parma at 13.Edit: And he has an Italian heritage. I'm guessing this kid doesn't have American parents, though I could be wrong about that of course.
I'm in year 2018 and have won la liga 4x and Champion's League 2x in 6 years with Atlético de Madrid. Atleti now has a better coefficient than Real Madrid...I started out at Rayo, moved to Chivas for 2 years (winning both Apertura and Clausura once each), then on to Atlético. I'm debating moving on to a national side for a while because I've amassed so much talent there it's not even funny.Anyone play Football Manager 2010? Highly addictive and really helping me learn the game.
yes you are right about Rossi moving at 13. I got confused when he went to Man U at 17.
Difference for me is that I live in the US and Rossi defected from my/his place of birth and childhood. Call it hypocrisy if you like, but I'm not as bothered by other cats leaving their homelands to play for us. Let those locals get upset about losing talent.
I think a case can be made that Torres will take that mantle from LD when he moves on.
Adu is a darkhorse...seriously.
I was thinking exactly that as I was typing. I really hope its so because it is time Landon stop being the focus of the side. He will still be an important part of this team in the next few years but it would be great to see some else emerge.
Adu should have been the tie between Donovan and the youth, but lets face it. After pissing off so many coaches in a row, you can no longer blame the teammates, the coach, the management or anything else. Adu has some serious issues facing him, most of which is it is near impossible not to wonder if he really was as young as was suggested when he was dominating the youth game.
Hey as long as you are willing to admit you are a hypocrite and recognise it's illogical I don't care. I'm just surprised at all the schadenfreude expressed in this thread at Rossi not making the Italy squad. It seems petty and bitter. It's not exactly a unique phenomenon in international football - Patrick Vieira born in Senegal, Clarence Seedorf born in Suriname, Owen Hargreaves born in Canada (fun fact, the first time Hargreaves ever visited England was when he was called up to play for the U-21 team) and many more examples. Heck, in this World Cup you'll have the Boateng brothers playing against each other in Germany v Ghana and they were both born in Berlin.
Well, IMHO he was playing well enough for Benefica to at least make the final 30. No question he has some issues to overcome, I think once bradley is replaced that will be one hurdle overcome.
Yeah I think most people recognize its not uncommon for players to play for countries where they are not born. Germany has a couple themselves and they are considered a major power.Rossi is a special case1) Lets face it, we don't produce many top level players, to see one of our few bolt is hard2) Opening his account with a glorious strike against the US last summer was hard to forget3) With Davies going down, the US is desperate for striker help. A small, agile, skilled forward would have looked very nice next to Jozy this summerIf Najar does not make the US squad in 2018, then I think its fine if Honduran fans rejoice. It would be a normal reaction.
Well aware of the international flow Pope mentioned... just look back at David Regis or any of the many Brazilians playing elsewhere (who was that guy in japan in the 80s or 90s?). Didn't know about the Boateng Bros... that's great.But I agree with Andy- not common for a US born and raised (don't start, Christo) player of his ability to exist, let alone abandon his homeland. And explain how I'm being hypocritical- seems more apt if I thought other fans from Honduras or elsewhere shouldn't get upset with their players defecting, while I do. Or maybe I'm not thinking this through (as usual).Oh- Andy- not sure Najar's home-peeps will rejoice with his defection and success to the US. Do you think they will, or is that a typo/sarcasm?
New to this whole sports thing?
Except I'm not Scottish. Let the Scots be upset over Holden, I've got my own Rossi to bear.Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't really see much of a difference between Rossi and a number of other cross-country soccer players. It goes both ways....some of the players that really helped put the US back on the map internationally - David Regis, Tab Ramos, etc. - were foreign-born. Now that the US is becoming much stronger, it's only natural that players are going to be coveted by other nations, whether they are traditionally better than the US or not.If you're not going to ##### about a guy like Stuart Holden playing for the US after moving to the US at age 10, you shouldn't ##### about Rossi playing for Italy when he moved to Italy at 13.Personally, I don't get all the frustration and hate. Yeah, it's kinda stupid for Rossi to make that move, especially seeing as how he didn't even make the squad. And yes, I wish he were playing for the US. But it's all part of the game - players come and go...you win some, you lose some. In the last 20 years, the US was more of a "step down", so they managed to bring in a lot of foreign guys to make a big difference. I'd imagine that in the future, as US soccer continues to get better, you're going to see a ton more guys make the move to other countries.I guess I don't see how the step-up/step-down thing really matters. He's an American, born and bred, and he has chosen to play for another nation internationally.I know it's not a popular opinion, and I'm as much of a die-hard as the rest of you guys, but it's just part of the game. If you're not upset with Stuart Holden playing for the US, you shouldn't be upset about Rossi playing for Italy, IMO. Trust me, I wish Rossi was heading to SA partnered with Jozy up front as much as you guys do. But
I'm not all that upset with Rossi choosing to play for Italy either. Sure, it would have been awesome to have him pairing with Jozy up top next week, but I'm not going to begrudge him his lifelong dream of playing for the Azzuri. And really, other than one minor youth tournament, Rossi hasn't really been a part of the US system anyway.On the other hand, what happened with Neven Subotic REALLY pisses me off. He wasn't born here, but he was a part of our system, was in Bradenton, played for the US in the U-17 World Championship in 2005. Whether it was him just using our system and then flip-flopping allegiances or whether it was Rongen who screwed things up by not picking him for the U-20's, bottom line is that he should be on our side, not Serbia's.Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't really see much of a difference between Rossi and a number of other cross-country soccer players. It goes both ways....some of the players that really helped put the US back on the map internationally - David Regis, Tab Ramos, etc. - were foreign-born. Now that the US is becoming much stronger, it's only natural that players are going to be coveted by other nations, whether they are traditionally better than the US or not.If you're not going to ##### about a guy like Stuart Holden playing for the US after moving to the US at age 10, you shouldn't ##### about Rossi playing for Italy when he moved to Italy at 13.Personally, I don't get all the frustration and hate. Yeah, it's kinda stupid for Rossi to make that move, especially seeing as how he didn't even make the squad. And yes, I wish he were playing for the US. But it's all part of the game - players come and go...you win some, you lose some. In the last 20 years, the US was more of a "step down", so they managed to bring in a lot of foreign guys to make a big difference. I'd imagine that in the future, as US soccer continues to get better, you're going to see a ton more guys make the move to other countries.I guess I don't see how the step-up/step-down thing really matters. He's an American, born and bred, and he has chosen to play for another nation internationally.I know it's not a popular opinion, and I'm as much of a die-hard as the rest of you guys, but it's just part of the game. If you're not upset with Stuart Holden playing for the US, you shouldn't be upset about Rossi playing for Italy, IMO. Trust me, I wish Rossi was heading to SA partnered with Jozy up front as much as you guys do. But
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't really see much of a difference between Rossi and a number of other cross-country soccer players. It goes both ways....some of the players that really helped put the US back on the map internationally - David Regis, Tab Ramos, etc. - were foreign-born. Now that the US is becoming much stronger, it's only natural that players are going to be coveted by other nations, whether they are traditionally better than the US or not.If you're not going to ##### about a guy like Stuart Holden playing for the US after moving to the US at age 10, you shouldn't ##### about Rossi playing for Italy when he moved to Italy at 13.Personally, I don't get all the frustration and hate. Yeah, it's kinda stupid for Rossi to make that move, especially seeing as how he didn't even make the squad. And yes, I wish he were playing for the US. But it's all part of the game - players come and go...you win some, you lose some. In the last 20 years, the US was more of a "step down", so they managed to bring in a lot of foreign guys to make a big difference. I'd imagine that in the future, as US soccer continues to get better, you're going to see a ton more guys make the move to other countries.I guess I don't see how the step-up/step-down thing really matters. He's an American, born and bred, and he has chosen to play for another nation internationally.I know it's not a popular opinion, and I'm as much of a die-hard as the rest of you guys, but it's just part of the game. If you're not upset with Stuart Holden playing for the US, you shouldn't be upset about Rossi playing for Italy, IMO. Trust me, I wish Rossi was heading to SA partnered with Jozy up front as much as you guys do. But
I agree 100%
