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Philadelphia Union officially (finally) announce the long-rumored signings of Colombian national teamers GK Faryd Mondragon (formerly of FC Koln in the Bundesliga) and CB Carlos Valdez of Santa Fe in the Colombia league.

 
I don't see why they wouldn't play in the MetroBull stadium until they can work something out in a better location (like Brooklyn) and steal the NY fans who don't want to go to NJ to see a game. if they can take the subway instead of PATH, all the better.
Huge fan base for soccer in Kearny/Harrison/Ironbound section of Newark - best place in the area to have put that stadium.-QG
Yeah- made sense for the BullREds... but I'm reading Z as saying that the Cosmos will need a better location for their future stadium, not that the current RBA needs a better location. Unless you think (which I doubt) it makes sense for both stadiums to be near Kearny?
I agree that there should be two teams there, I just got the sense that it was a dig at the Red Bull market. Of course the incumbent team is also misnamed.-QG

 
I like Darren Bent but I just don't put him in this kind of company. He's a poacher and every team needs one. But he isn't going to be a creative force for Villa and be worth this kind of money.
I think you have to factor in the cost of getting relegated. My understanding is that simply being in the EPL confers a massive amount of revenue. Even if Bent doens't turn out to be a great long-term investment, as long as he can keep them in the EPL it might still be worth it.
I was listening to an Ian Holloway interview (I love this guy) and he was talking about what Charlie Adam was worth to Blackpool and he said $49MM because that's what it would cost Blackpool to be relegated. I was curious as to where he came up with that and found that the average league payout per team from 2007-2010 was about $40MM (mostly from television revenue I believe). That's just the league payout as well. I imagine there is advertising, ticket sales, merchandising, etc. losses to take into consideration, especially for a club like Villa.Seeing those figures makes me understand why Villa was willing to pay a little extra.Edit: I believe those values are all actually in pounds.
 
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I don't see why they wouldn't play in the MetroBull stadium until they can work something out in a better location (like Brooklyn) and steal the NY fans who don't want to go to NJ to see a game. if they can take the subway instead of PATH, all the better.
Huge fan base for soccer in Kearny/Harrison/Ironbound section of Newark - best place in the area to have put that stadium.-QG
Yeah- made sense for the BullREds... but I'm reading Z as saying that the Cosmos will need a better location for their future stadium, not that the current RBA needs a better location. Unless you think (which I doubt) it makes sense for both stadiums to be near Kearny?
Exactly.Play wherever for a few years while a real, soccer specific stadium gets built in a good location. Sure it'll cost a mint, but it would be a great place to see a game.

BTW I'm bummed that there's no GC games here in the Bay. I might have to go down to LA to watch some games in the Rose Bowl.

 
QuizGuy66 said:
I don't see why they wouldn't play in the MetroBull stadium until they can work something out in a better location (like Brooklyn) and steal the NY fans who don't want to go to NJ to see a game. if they can take the subway instead of PATH, all the better.
Huge fan base for soccer in Kearny/Harrison/Ironbound section of Newark - best place in the area to have put that stadium.-QG
Yeah- made sense for the BullREds... but I'm reading Z as saying that the Cosmos will need a better location for their future stadium, not that the current RBA needs a better location. Unless you think (which I doubt) it makes sense for both stadiums to be near Kearny?
I agree that there should be two teams there, I just got the sense that it was a dig at the Red Bull market. Of course the incumbent team is also misnamed.-QG
Yes, it is a dig at the market. They should be the NJ whatevers, just as the Giants and Jets shouldn't be NY-anything if they both play in Jersey.
 
BTW I'm bummed that there's no GC games here in the Bay. I might have to go down to LA to watch some games in the Rose Bowl.
No halfway decent available venues here. Stanford is in a better soccer configuration than 1994 but lacks luxury boxes. Oakland and AT&T are occupato. The Stick is the stick.
 
BTW I'm bummed that there's no GC games here in the Bay. I might have to go down to LA to watch some games in the Rose Bowl.
No halfway decent available venues here. Stanford is in a better soccer configuration than 1994 but lacks luxury boxes. Oakland and AT&T are occupato. The Stick is the stick.
I know... it's terrible. The Bay is a mediocre soccer town anyway. Lots of foreigners (euros) and some latinos, but not enough homegrown nor foreign spirit.When we gonna meet up at Mad Dog?
 
QuizGuy66 said:
I don't see why they wouldn't play in the MetroBull stadium until they can work something out in a better location (like Brooklyn) and steal the NY fans who don't want to go to NJ to see a game. if they can take the subway instead of PATH, all the better.
Huge fan base for soccer in Kearny/Harrison/Ironbound section of Newark - best place in the area to have put that stadium.-QG
Yeah- made sense for the BullREds... but I'm reading Z as saying that the Cosmos will need a better location for their future stadium, not that the current RBA needs a better location. Unless you think (which I doubt) it makes sense for both stadiums to be near Kearny?
I agree that there should be two teams there, I just got the sense that it was a dig at the Red Bull market. Of course the incumbent team is also misnamed.-QG
Yes, it is a dig at the market. They should be the NJ whatevers, just as the Giants and Jets shouldn't be NY-anything if they both play in Jersey.
If the Cosmos launch and become a hit, I would totally be on board for Red Bull to rebrand as NJ. Once the nets leave, I think that will only leave on pro team in the state that uses the name NJ.
 
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
Philadelphia Union officially (finally) announce the long-rumored signings of Colombian national teamers GK Faryd Mondragon (formerly of FC Koln in the Bundesliga) and CB Carlos Valdez of Santa Fe in the Colombia league.
will either of these be DP level signings?
 
If the Cosmos launch and become a hit, I would totally be on board for Red Bull to rebrand as NJ. Once the nets leave, I think that will only leave on pro team in the state that uses the name NJ.
NJ Devils, fwiw.and further fwiw- I would happily... no, GIDDILY... jump on the Cosmos bandwagon after all these years following a pretty pointless professional exercise.
 
oh yeah... Eddie Pope.

Definitely more consistent, but I'd still take Gooch at his best over Pope. But I'd prefer to have both.

 
If the Cosmos launch and become a hit, I would totally be on board for Red Bull to rebrand as NJ. Once the nets leave, I think that will only leave on pro team in the state that uses the name NJ.
NJ Devils, fwiw.and further fwiw- I would happily... no, GIDDILY... jump on the Cosmos bandwagon after all these years following a pretty pointless professional exercise.
yup, thats the one team I was talking about. When are the Nets leaving?
 
If the Cosmos launch and become a hit, I would totally be on board for Red Bull to rebrand as NJ. Once the nets leave, I think that will only leave on pro team in the state that uses the name NJ.
NJ Devils, fwiw.and further fwiw- I would happily... no, GIDDILY... jump on the Cosmos bandwagon after all these years following a pretty pointless professional exercise.
yup, thats the one team I was talking about. When are the Nets leaving?
Pretty sure it's next year.And again- I haven't really been following it, but I do know there's a Russian billionaire on board with the Nets. It would be chump change for him to throw his lot in with the Cosmos... and then we'd maybe start seeing some Chelskea type action in Brooklyn.
 
re: Gold Cup- if the US makes it to NJ, I'll be there.

Although the taste of the last blow-out loss to Mexico (which I walked out of- the only time in my life I've left a game early) is still pretty... rancid.

 
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
Philadelphia Union officially (finally) announce the long-rumored signings of Colombian national teamers GK Faryd Mondragon (formerly of FC Koln in the Bundesliga) and CB Carlos Valdez of Santa Fe in the Colombia league.
will either of these be DP level signings?
No - Ives tweeted he thought the number was ~ $450k for the pair of them, which would be a great deal given Mondragon's vast experience and Valdes' age combined with some caps for the Colombian senior national team.
 
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
Philadelphia Union officially (finally) announce the long-rumored signings of Colombian national teamers GK Faryd Mondragon (formerly of FC Koln in the Bundesliga) and CB Carlos Valdez of Santa Fe in the Colombia league.
will either of these be DP level signings?
No - Ives tweeted he thought the number was ~ $450k for the pair of them, which would be a great deal given Mondragon's vast experience and Valdes' age combined with some caps for the Colombian senior national team.
excellent. This should allow Phili to go after a DP in the summer transfer window should they choose.
 
Paul Kennedy's Take on the Cosmos

The New York Cosmos' announcement that Eric Cantona was joining the prospective club as director of soccer certainly had its effect. I was awoken early in the morning here in California to calls from French radio stations wanting to know what I thought about Cantona and the "nouveau Cosmos." I would have sooner expected to hear Cantona -- an accomplished actor -- was headed to Broadway than he was hired to handle soccer for the Cosmos.

But other than the buzz that Cantona's signing generates, the move puzzles. Cantona has had no coaching or management role in soccer (other than beach soccer) since retiring from Manchester United in 1997.

The closest thing the Cantona signing reminds me of is the Los Angeles Galaxy's hiring of Ruud Gullit in 2008. Gullit was another celebrity signing -- assisted coincidentally by Cobi Jones on the sidelines as Cantona will be in the front office.

The other connection between Gullit and Cantona, of course, is David Beckham adviser Terry Byrne. It was Byrne who pushed the Galaxy to hire Gullit as coach, and he is one of three men -- along with Cosmos chairman Paul Kemsley, the former Tottenham vice chairman, and ex-Liverpool CEO Rick Parry -- seeking to get the revived Cosmos off the ground as soon as 2013.

At least Gullit had the advantage of having previous coaching experience and a front-office backing him up to teach him the ways of MLS, but we all know how long Gullit's stint lasted. All of a half a season.

The Cosmos group, which still needs to line up big-money investors and build a stadium (probably in Queens), is several years away from joining MLS, if ever.

MLS spokesperson Dan Courtemanche told the Daily Telegraph Wednesday that "the 20th team is likely to be three to five years down the road," and Cantona will need all of that time to familiarize himself with the workings of MLS.

A revived Cosmos won't be like the Cosmos of the late 1970s, signing Pele, Franz Beckenbauer and virtually any other player it wanted. MLS rules don't allow it, and the transfer market of today wouldn't support it.

Only last week, MLS Commissioner Don Garber praised the Cosmos for making a lot of smart moves.

Unfortunately, the Cantona signing isn't one of them.

It reinforces the notion that the Cosmos is a gimmick to revive a long-lost sports brand rather than a serious venture to tackle the realities of the sports marketplace.

 
QuizGuy66 said:
I don't see why they wouldn't play in the MetroBull stadium until they can work something out in a better location (like Brooklyn) and steal the NY fans who don't want to go to NJ to see a game. if they can take the subway instead of PATH, all the better.
Huge fan base for soccer in Kearny/Harrison/Ironbound section of Newark - best place in the area to have put that stadium.-QG
Yeah- made sense for the BullREds... but I'm reading Z as saying that the Cosmos will need a better location for their future stadium, not that the current RBA needs a better location. Unless you think (which I doubt) it makes sense for both stadiums to be near Kearny?
I agree that there should be two teams there, I just got the sense that it was a dig at the Red Bull market. Of course the incumbent team is also misnamed.-QG
Yes, it is a dig at the market. They should be the NJ whatevers, just as the Giants and Jets shouldn't be NY-anything if they both play in Jersey.
Meant to say Shouldn't be two teams there at RBA, I mangled my post :lmao:

I also agree that they should be called New Jersey - that seriously pisses me off :mad:. I usually still call them the Metrostars in protest :rolleyes: My point was that the Red Bulls are well situated in the Harrison/Kearny/Ironbound area and it's about the best location for a soccer team to be based in the market. I do think that putting a 2nd team in Queens would be far enough away that it wouldn't cut into the gate for the Metrostars all that much. They'd be better off NOT starting out in the New Giants Stadium before then assuming they are going to Queens - a delay would be a better option (not sure what would be a logical choice otherwise given the other venues are for baseball).

Btw, the guy who kept the Cosmos name = Genius. This will be the very rare case of the 2nd team in an area almost immediately overshadowing the more established team. Last example I can think of is when the New York Rangers started playing and basically forced the New York Americans out of business.

-QG

 
If the Cosmos launch and become a hit, I would totally be on board for Red Bull to rebrand as NJ. Once the nets leave, I think that will only leave on pro team in the state that uses the name NJ.
Um, there's this team with 3 Stanley Cups that would disagree.That said, they totally should rebrand as RedBull NJ or hell harken back to the old days and market them as RedBull Metro. The Jersey guy in me is pissed off to no end about that. Especially when the team is based there specifically because of NJ's soccer fan base and the history of the area (like 84 or so US World Cup players from the area - though that's a rough estimate ;) ) -QG
 
If the Cosmos launch and become a hit, I would totally be on board for Red Bull to rebrand as NJ. Once the nets leave, I think that will only leave on pro team in the state that uses the name NJ.
NJ Devils, fwiw.and further fwiw- I would happily... no, GIDDILY... jump on the Cosmos bandwagon after all these years following a pretty pointless professional exercise.
yup, thats the one team I was talking about. When are the Nets leaving?
Oops, misread your post - though you were saying the Red Bulls would be the only one with NJ if they rebranded.The traitorous Nets will be ending the world's longest divorce in 2012 supposedly (i.e. 2012-13 season).-QG
 
Getting excited for the game tomorrow. It will be my first USMNT match. When are the starting lineups announced?

Anyone else going?

 
QuizGuy66 said:
I'll end my Hippling by noting that I ordered up my US vs Argentina tickets today :) :pickle: -QG
ohhhh... I've got to remember to do this. My usual game-going gb is out of town unfortunately... and he's the one with the car to get us there too.
 
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Where does everyone go to buy their EPL jerseys?? Preferably a customized one....

I am struggling mightily picking out a size.
http://bornprosper.com/cart/default.asp

You have to pay via Paypal in UK Pounds, and it takes some time to ship from wherever they are made (India?), but you can't beat a quality looking knock-off for like $20.
I've ordered from this seller in Bangkok a few times. I don't think he does custom lettering but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask. Excellent communication and fast delivery. He even reshipped a three shirt order at no charge after the first attempt got lost/intercepted by customs.The one thing that impressed me about Risa's storefront is that he sells a small number of seconds at discount. I suspect most other sellers would just ship those and charge full price.

 
I have barely heard of most of the guys I'll be seeing at the game tonight. Anyone I should be keying in on? How many of these guys are projected future contributors? I know hopefully all of them, but are there a few that stand out above the rest?

 
I have barely heard of most of the guys I'll be seeing at the game tonight. Anyone I should be keying in on? How many of these guys are projected future contributors? I know hopefully all of them, but are there a few that stand out above the rest?
"Camp Cupcake"...Some of these guys seem to have bright futures with the USMNT at least as spot-contributors. Maybe not in the near future, but down the line perhaps. Guys like Juan Agudelo, Omar Gonzalez, Brek Shea, Teal Bunbury. Tim Ream has been pretty highly touted, but the only times I really got to watch him play in MLS, he looked average - but again, he's young. His career highlight, for me, is getting absolutely smoked by Bobby Convey in the MLS playoffs....he made Ream look like a traffic cone. (ETA - obviously I have hopes that these guys will be more than spot-starters for the USMNT, but I like to temper my expectations on the young guys)There's a couple of classic USMNT re-tread type players on the team, the fringe World Cup/Gold Cup players...Dax McCarty, Matt Pickens, Nick Rimando, Marvell Wynne. Meh.Bedoya still has some promise, and I thought Mikkel Diskerud was somewhat impressive in the last friendly (I think it was the most recent one). There was some discussion in here about Eugene Starikov, the Russian-born guy who played college ball in the US and now plays for Zenit....I'm interested to see him. Jeff Larentowicz is a bit older than you'd expect for a guy who could make his debut, but I've read a lot of people who have been clamoring for him to get at least a friendly call-up for awhile now.Really those top 5 guys in the first paragraph, Diskerud, Starikov, and Larentowicz are who I'll be watching closely today.
 
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I have barely heard of most of the guys I'll be seeing at the game tonight. Anyone I should be keying in on? How many of these guys are projected future contributors? I know hopefully all of them, but are there a few that stand out above the rest?
"Camp Cupcake"...Some of these guys seem to have bright futures with the USMNT at least as spot-contributors. Maybe not in the near future, but down the line perhaps. Guys like Juan Agudelo, Omar Gonzalez, Brek Shea, Teal Bunbury. Tim Ream has been pretty highly touted, but the only times I really got to watch him play in MLS, he looked average - but again, he's young. His career highlight, for me, is getting absolutely smoked by Bobby Convey in the MLS playoffs....he made Ream look like a traffic cone. (ETA - obviously I have hopes that these guys will be more than spot-starters for the USMNT, but I like to temper my expectations on the young guys)There's a couple of classic USMNT re-tread type players on the team, the fringe World Cup/Gold Cup players...Dax McCarty, Matt Pickens, Nick Rimando, Marvell Wynne. Meh.Bedoya still has some promise, and I thought Mikkel Diskerud was somewhat impressive in the last friendly (I think it was the most recent one). There was some discussion in here about Eugene Starikov, the Russian-born guy who played college ball in the US and now plays for Zenit....I'm interested to see him. Jeff Larentowicz is a bit older than you'd expect for a guy who could make his debut, but I've read a lot of people who have been clamoring for him to get at least a friendly call-up for awhile now.Really those top 5 guys in the first paragraph, Diskerud, Starikov, and Larentowicz are who I'll be watching closely today.
Very :unsure: BTW, I am one of the guys who loves Ream. I know the play you are talking (which was horrible) about but you should not let a brilliant season in which he played every minute of every game, as a rookie no less, be darkened by one bad play.
 
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Very :confused:

BTW, I am one of the guys who loves Ream. I know the play you are talking (which was horrible) about but you should not let a brilliant season in which he played every minute of every game, as a rookie no less, be darkened by one bad play.
Well, I prefaced it by saying that the "times I saw him play", which was only a handful of games, really. I know he's been praised all around, and I hope he turns into a defender that the US sorely needs. It's hard to not envision
though, given how crucial the moment was (skip ahead to 0:50 if you want). You're gonna have lapses with any young guy playing in one of his first "big games", though. Given that this will, assuming he plays, be his second cap, I think it'll be interesting to see how he's grown after the national team camp. He won't have as many jitters out there, have the home crowd behind him, etc.To his credit, though, he looks like a USMNT defender on that Convey goal :wub: . The only thing that'd make it more apt is if Convey had scored in the opening 10 minutes....

 

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