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Fun info by Grant Wahl today. Here is the gist of it in case you missed.

Costa Rica has built a new national soccer stadium

The money to build the stadium was donated by China

Their was some surplus money left over

Costa Rica used it to line up three friendlies this year at the new stadium, Brazil, Argentina and Spain

 
I tend to lean towards fitting your formation to your players, while many coaches believe in fitting your players in the coaches formation.

Klinsmann appears to be the latter. He has stuck entirely with this modified form of a 4-3-3, and has instructed Ramos and Reyna that this is the formation that will be stressed during the U20-U23 camp being held in Germany. I don't know if he has the power or will go as far to tell Porter that he has to use the 4-3-3 for the Olympic qualifying but it will be interesting to see.

Not sure what formation he will trot out their today, but I hope Bradley can see some time. One item that worries me about the formation is that is should actually highlight Shea but he has looked invisible at times in this formation, which may say more about the player than the formation.

 
So Bruce Arena called Giovanni Trappatoni over the weekend and asked him to not play Robbie Keane, or at least limit his minutes, in the Euro Qualifying playoff match today.

Think Bruce learned a few Italian swears in this conversation? :)

In the end, hopefully Ireland will get up by 1 at half and Keane will be subbed around the 60 minute mark.

 
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So Bruce Arena called Giovanni Trappatoni over the weekend and asked him to not play Robbie Keane, or at least limit his minutes, in the Euro Qualifying playoff match today.Think Bruce learned a few Italian swears in this conversation? :)In the end, hopefully Ireland will get up by 1 at half and Keane will be subbed around the 60 minute mark.
Arena supposedly wanted Keane returned to LA early but Robbie wanted to hang around and celebrate qualification.
 
I love this formation. Finally something besides a 4-3-3

This looks to be a pure 4-4-2, with a diamond midfield

Howard

Dolo Goodson Boca Cahndler

Bradley Beckerman Dempsey Johnson

Jozy Buddle

 
Hard to see with so much fog but US already created two decent chances in the first three minutes, also had one bad defensive break down where Chandler kept a player onside.

 
US looks more dangerous in first 10 minutes than they did last 2 games combined

That should have been two for the US. Great low cross into the 6 yard box, but Jozy off balance lifted it over the net.

 
Slovenia has found there game and is starting to give as good as they are getting. Now 1-1 after a defensive break down led to a break away.

 
'NewlyRetired said:
Jozy buries it. 3-1 to the US.
they look much better in a 4-4-2 with two actual forwards...who would have thought
We suck as fans. You would think we would have mentioned a 4-4-2 with a diamond midfield at least once over the years :)That being said, offensively, it is night and day but it is exposing issues in our defense. I much prefer this as a fan. I am pretty impressed with Fabian Johnson who looks much more comfortable on the wing than Williams was.
 
Real nice first half. Fox Soccer asking on its FB page right now to name best USMNT player of all-time. I say Friedel in net, Reyna in field.

 
'NewlyRetired said:
Jozy buries it. 3-1 to the US.
they look much better in a 4-4-2 with two actual forwards...who would have thought
We suck as fans. You would think we would have mentioned a 4-4-2 with a diamond midfield at least once over the years :) That being said, offensively, it is night and day but it is exposing issues in our defense. I much prefer this as a fan.

I am pretty impressed with Fabian Johnson who looks much more comfortable on the wing than Williams was.
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Costa Rica is up 2-0 at half time over Spain who are playing pretty much their A squad

Iker Casillas

Sergio Ramos

Carles Puyol

Nacho Monreal

Álvaro Arbeloa

Xabi Alonso

Cesc Fábregas

Xavi

Andrés Iniesta

David Villa

Juan Mata

 
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Why would China donate money for a stadium in Costa Rica?
In June 2007, President Oscar Arias severed diplomatic ties with Taiwan to officially establish Costa Rica’s new partnership with China. As a token of appreciation, the Chinese government offered Costa Rica a new National Stadium as “a gift”, and spent an estimated $100 million on its construction.
 
Bosnia scores in the 66th minute while down to 10 men bringing the score to 3-2 for Portugal. The goal looked to be offside, but I'm not complaining :excited:

 
I forgot the Slovenia match was on so early and forgot to set my DVR til near halftime so I only got to see a little more than a half. However, in the portion I watched some thoughts:

- this wasn't really a 442 diamond as I think of it. It can be called that but it was not simply a 442 with an offensive and defensive mid. It really was some hybrid between a 433 and 442 as both "wingers" played very narrow and Demps played more a withdrawn striker role. City actually uses a similar formation a lot and it is sometimes called a 442 and sometimes a 433 depending on the announcers.

- I'm about done with the Beckerman experiment. I get it, he does what Jurgen wants and every coach has that kind of guy. But his limitations are so f'n obvious and no matter how hard he works he won't overcome them. He was just physically overmatched about 5 times in 50/50 challenges I saw. He didn't cover ground. And he's not a natural holding mid and really struggles to find space to help relieve pressure. Several times Bradley had to come 40 yards across the field to give an option to defenders and create space so we could maintain possession, which limits our ability to link up further up field. I actually like Beckerman and can see a spot for him on the team but starting him ahead of Bradley, who can hold much better, and Edu who physically is a beast seems misguided. Again, I can concede that he may be better at the system now, but if the idea is qualifying and then Brazil, you need to start bringing one of those two into the role. I will say he normally is very steady in his passes even if he has fairly limited creativity and today he was just off which may further cloud my judgement of him (everyone has off days like that though so hopefully I'm not being too harsh for that)

- Fabian Johnson is interesting. I'd like to see a lot more of him.

- as they began pressing higher I thought we'd make some adjustment but instead they just brought it to us in the 2h. I hope that was more about learning the system because it was pretty clear we needed to make an adjustment and never did. Basically took our forwards entirely out of the game in the 2h

- I would like to see this formation with LD in Bradley's role and MB in Beckerman's. It's a bit of an odd spot for LD but I could see him excelling at it as he ages into more of a role player.

 
Only in the 61st minute here on my DVR (Slovenia just scored to make it 3-2), so I have no idea how this ends....but ### ####, these teams play some exciting games. They should turn this into a frequent friendly and play each other more consistently. So exciting.

 
Real nice first half. Fox Soccer asking on its FB page right now to name best USMNT player of all-time. I say Friedel in net, Reyna in field.
I'd go Friedel and Donovan
Friedel, Donovan for me as well.
Was Adu an option? I thought he was the best ever?Friedel and either Reyna or McBride for me.
I think it's gotta be Donovan for me. Reyna was a great player and was a member of the World Cup All-Tournament team in 2002, but Donovan is just the GOAT.
 
LA Galaxy sign a 10-year $55 million regional TV deal with Time Warner Cable. That's a hell of a deal for an MLS team.
Holy smokes. That is an incredible deal for local tv money. And they signed it not knowing about Becks yet, which likely means they convinced TWC that they are going to continue to sign big names even if Becks leaves.
 
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The pots for the December 2nd Euro 2012 draw have been announced.

Pot 1 - Poland, Ukraine, Spain, Netherland

Pot 2 - Germany, Italy, England, Russia

Pot 3 - Croatia, Greece, Portugal, Sweden

Pot 4 - Denmark, France, Czech Republic, Ireland

Imagine a group of Spain; Germany, Italy or England; Portugal and France!

 
- I would like to see this formation with LD in Bradley's role and MB in Beckerman's. It's a bit of an odd spot for LD but I could see him excelling at it as he ages into more of a role player.
I was thinking this as well. Donovan could play either side in case Holden ever gets fit again. MB really needs to start on this team. I love Beckerman as much as anyone but MB is better in every phase of the game and is much younger.
 
The pots for the December 2nd Euro 2012 draw have been announced.Pot 1 - Poland, Ukraine, Spain, NetherlandPot 2 - Germany, Italy, England, RussiaPot 3 - Croatia, Greece, Portugal, SwedenPot 4 - Denmark, France, Czech Republic, IrelandImagine a group of Spain; Germany, Italy or England; Portugal and France!
Were these pots completely random? Does not look like any seeding occured.
 
Real nice first half. Fox Soccer asking on its FB page right now to name best USMNT player of all-time. I say Friedel in net, Reyna in field.
I'd go Friedel and Donovan
Friedel, Donovan for me as well.
Was Adu an option? I thought he was the best ever?Friedel and either Reyna or McBride for me.
I think it's gotta be Donovan for me. Reyna was a great player and was a member of the World Cup All-Tournament team in 2002, but Donovan is just the GOAT.
Friedel is the easy choice at GK.After that, it's easy to look at any one of LD/Dempsey/McBride with the nod currently going to LD, IMO. That said- I'd vote for Tab.
 
The pots for the December 2nd Euro 2012 draw have been announced.Pot 1 - Poland, Ukraine, Spain, NetherlandPot 2 - Germany, Italy, England, RussiaPot 3 - Croatia, Greece, Portugal, SwedenPot 4 - Denmark, France, Czech Republic, IrelandImagine a group of Spain; Germany, Italy or England; Portugal and France!
Were these pots completely random? Does not look like any seeding occured.
Poland and Ukraine, as hosts, were automatically placed in Pot 1. The remaining 14 teams were placed based on a coeficient formula calculated this morning.43,116 Spain40,860 Netherlands40,446 Germany34,357 Italy33,563 England33,212 Russia33,003 Croatia32,455 Greece31,717 Portugal31,675 Sweden31,205 Denmark30,508 France29,602 Czech Republic28,576 Ireland
 
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Real nice first half. Fox Soccer asking on its FB page right now to name best USMNT player of all-time. I say Friedel in net, Reyna in field.
I'd go Friedel and Donovan
Friedel, Donovan for me as well.
Was Adu an option? I thought he was the best ever?Friedel and either Reyna or McBride for me.
I think it's gotta be Donovan for me. Reyna was a great player and was a member of the World Cup All-Tournament team in 2002, but Donovan is just the GOAT.
Friedel is the easy choice at GK.After that, it's easy to look at any one of LD/Dempsey/McBride with the nod currently going to LD, IMO. That said- I'd vote for Tab.
We should break it down by position for fun. Shame we can't run a poll in here.Keeper: Friedel. Runner up: Keller. Howard will be in the conversation if he stays healthyDefender: Pope or Boca. I can't decide between the twoDefending/Holding midfielder: Reyna. Offensive Midfielder: Donovan with Demsey as runner up. Both still have a couple more years tooStriker: McBride. Runner up as Wynalda(?)
 
Here are the ESPN grades. Many seem too high IMO.

Grades: 1-10 (1 is lowest; 10 highest)GK Tim Howard, 6.5: A solid game for the Timbot, who wasn't to blame on either goal.D Steve Cherundolo, 6: Made some good runs forward, but he was sometimes sloppy in the back.D Clarence Goodson, 5.5: Goodson didn't get off entirely scot-free on Matavz' first-half equalizer, but he had a strong performance in the air and was collected under pressure.D Carlos Bocanegra, 6.5: Earning his 100th cap, Bocanegra was sturdy for much of the game, putting a crucial stop to a long Matavz dribble through the box. But even he was prone to the odd wobbly moment.D Timmy Chandler, 4.5: Kept Ljubijankic onside early and frequently let down his team when called upon on defense, as he was accountable for the first Slovenian goal. His attacking play was strong yet again, but it didn't compensate for the failure in his primary task.M Fabian Johnson, 8.5: In his first start for the U.S., the German recruit was a sensation. Between a surprise shot in the first minute, an 11th-minute run that set up what could have been a 2-0 lead, an earned penalty and dangerous runs into the opposing box, Johnson's 60 minutes of work were among the best on the U.S. side.M Kyle Beckerman, 5: Covered a lot of ground, but his distribution was shaky and he came up short in the second half.M Michael Bradley, 8: Back into the lineup at last, Bradley distributed well, was strong on set pieces and did hugely important work on defense.M Clint Dempsey, 7.5: Won the ball that Buddle turned into a 1-0 lead and took advantage of the room created for him in the middle by fielding another striker well. His runs and distribution were among the main ingredients to the Yanks' attacking success.F Jozy Altidore, 6: As usual, some good and some bad from Jozy. Converted a penalty and held play up well, but he should have scored in the 11th minute on that Johnson cross and put the game out of reach. Was isolated late in the game.F Edson Buddle, 8: In 77 minutes of work, Buddle played himself squarely back into the national team picture, holding up play well, scoring off a great 25-yard shot in the ninth minute and linking up well with the advancing midfielders.Substitutes:M Brek Shea, 6.5: Shea brought good energy after coming on in the 61st minute but became less and less involved as the U.S. bunkered in.M Maurice Edu, 6: Helped plug gaps in front of the defense but could have cost his team a late penalty in the box with an uncalled handball.M Danny Williams, 6: Also helped keep Slovenia out of the box late.M Jermaine Jones, Incomplete: Brought on in the 90th minute to help waste time.
 
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I forgot the Slovenia match was on so early and forgot to set my DVR til near halftime so I only got to see a little more than a half. However, in the portion I watched some thoughts: - this wasn't really a 442 diamond as I think of it. It can be called that but it was not simply a 442 with an offensive and defensive mid. It really was some hybrid between a 433 and 442 as both "wingers" played very narrow and Demps played more a withdrawn striker role. City actually uses a similar formation a lot and it is sometimes called a 442 and sometimes a 433 depending on the announcers. - I'm about done with the Beckerman experiment. I get it, he does what Jurgen wants and every coach has that kind of guy. But his limitations are so f'n obvious and no matter how hard he works he won't overcome them. He was just physically overmatched about 5 times in 50/50 challenges I saw. He didn't cover ground. And he's not a natural holding mid and really struggles to find space to help relieve pressure. Several times Bradley had to come 40 yards across the field to give an option to defenders and create space so we could maintain possession, which limits our ability to link up further up field. I actually like Beckerman and can see a spot for him on the team but starting him ahead of Bradley, who can hold much better, and Edu who physically is a beast seems misguided. Again, I can concede that he may be better at the system now, but if the idea is qualifying and then Brazil, you need to start bringing one of those two into the role. I will say he normally is very steady in his passes even if he has fairly limited creativity and today he was just off which may further cloud my judgement of him (everyone has off days like that though so hopefully I'm not being too harsh for that)- Fabian Johnson is interesting. I'd like to see a lot more of him. - as they began pressing higher I thought we'd make some adjustment but instead they just brought it to us in the 2h. I hope that was more about learning the system because it was pretty clear we needed to make an adjustment and never did. Basically took our forwards entirely out of the game in the 2h- I would like to see this formation with LD in Bradley's role and MB in Beckerman's. It's a bit of an odd spot for LD but I could see him excelling at it as he ages into more of a role player.
I also forgot and turned the game on just after the 2nd half started. I didn't get to see much besides Slovenia winning every head ball and 2nd ball.always like reading Pre's comments, and once again I agree with them as far as I what I watched (can't comment on the relative formations- the US was basically pinned back for most of what I watched).re: Beckerman... yeah it's pretty much ad nauseum. Very skilled, tactically gifted but will always be a step slow. It doesn't work at this level unless he's got enough time to take that touch, look up and find his man- and he's brilliant if he does... but he never will at this level, so- the end.I've always said I prefer the diamond, and I've seen Edu and MB play it very well, with MB pushed up (it's a dead horse- but the MF shape has looked best in the games I've seen live when Beckerman plays the holding role... he seems to understand the spacing better and always anticipates where he needs to be relative to the attacking MF... but again... too slow of foot). We haven't seen LD play that attacking role from the middle in a long while- didn't work very well the last go-round, as he never seemed to be able to find the space that he would immediately find as soon as he moved to the flanks. But it's been a while, and now's the time to try these things out. If Adu wasn't missing whatever it is he's missing that has coaches keep him out of lineups and teams... he seems to have the skill-set to play that role too. Hmmm- no shortage of guys to play those two central MF roles, especially once LD and Holden come back into the fold.I'm going to try to find a replay of the game- but from the highlights, the score seems not necessarily indicative of dominance by the US in the first half. The highlight showed the US scoring on a horrible giveaway by Slovenia at the top of the box (nice finish by Buddle though) and two dead balls. I saw a couple of other opportunities (and I wish they'd have shown the play that drew the PK instead of just shwoing the PK which tells me nothing) but I also saw Slovenia create a number of easy-carving-through-the-US-defense plays that they easily should have finished.Was the US really dominant and creating from the run of play... or did they just create some opportunities (finally) and finish them (finally)?
 
I forgot the Slovenia match was on so early and forgot to set my DVR til near halftime so I only got to see a little more than a half. However, in the portion I watched some thoughts: - this wasn't really a 442 diamond as I think of it. It can be called that but it was not simply a 442 with an offensive and defensive mid. It really was some hybrid between a 433 and 442 as both "wingers" played very narrow and Demps played more a withdrawn striker role. City actually uses a similar formation a lot and it is sometimes called a 442 and sometimes a 433 depending on the announcers. - I'm about done with the Beckerman experiment. I get it, he does what Jurgen wants and every coach has that kind of guy. But his limitations are so f'n obvious and no matter how hard he works he won't overcome them. He was just physically overmatched about 5 times in 50/50 challenges I saw. He didn't cover ground. And he's not a natural holding mid and really struggles to find space to help relieve pressure. Several times Bradley had to come 40 yards across the field to give an option to defenders and create space so we could maintain possession, which limits our ability to link up further up field. I actually like Beckerman and can see a spot for him on the team but starting him ahead of Bradley, who can hold much better, and Edu who physically is a beast seems misguided. Again, I can concede that he may be better at the system now, but if the idea is qualifying and then Brazil, you need to start bringing one of those two into the role. I will say he normally is very steady in his passes even if he has fairly limited creativity and today he was just off which may further cloud my judgement of him (everyone has off days like that though so hopefully I'm not being too harsh for that)- Fabian Johnson is interesting. I'd like to see a lot more of him. - as they began pressing higher I thought we'd make some adjustment but instead they just brought it to us in the 2h. I hope that was more about learning the system because it was pretty clear we needed to make an adjustment and never did. Basically took our forwards entirely out of the game in the 2h- I would like to see this formation with LD in Bradley's role and MB in Beckerman's. It's a bit of an odd spot for LD but I could see him excelling at it as he ages into more of a role player.
I also forgot and turned the game on just after the 2nd half started. I didn't get to see much besides Slovenia winning every head ball and 2nd ball.always like reading Pre's comments, and once again I agree with them as far as I what I watched (can't comment on the relative formations- the US was basically pinned back for most of what I watched).re: Beckerman... yeah it's pretty much ad nauseum. Very skilled, tactically gifted but will always be a step slow. It doesn't work at this level unless he's got enough time to take that touch, look up and find his man- and he's brilliant if he does... but he never will at this level, so- the end.I've always said I prefer the diamond, and I've seen Edu and MB play it very well, with MB pushed up (it's a dead horse- but the MF shape has looked best in the games I've seen live when Beckerman plays the holding role... he seems to understand the spacing better and always anticipates where he needs to be relative to the attacking MF... but again... too slow of foot). We haven't seen LD play that attacking role from the middle in a long while- didn't work very well the last go-round, as he never seemed to be able to find the space that he would immediately find as soon as he moved to the flanks. But it's been a while, and now's the time to try these things out. If Adu wasn't missing whatever it is he's missing that has coaches keep him out of lineups and teams... he seems to have the skill-set to play that role too. Hmmm- no shortage of guys to play those two central MF roles, especially once LD and Holden come back into the fold.I'm going to try to find a replay of the game- but from the highlights, the score seems not necessarily indicative of dominance by the US in the first half. The highlight showed the US scoring on a horrible giveaway by Slovenia at the top of the box (nice finish by Buddle though) and two dead balls. I saw a couple of other opportunities (and I wish they'd have shown the play that drew the PK instead of just shwoing the PK which tells me nothing) but I also saw Slovenia create a number of easy-carving-through-the-US-defense plays that they easily should have finished.Was the US really dominant and creating from the run of play... or did they just create some opportunities (finally) and finish them (finally)?
The first 30 minutes they dominated IMO although because they pushed up so far they were getting challenged on the counter. Dominated might be a poor word on my part since they had defensive issues. Lets just say they created more chances in those 30 minutes than in multiple games combined under Klinsmann. I would not look at the pk as a dead ball goal as the build up to the pk was very nice including a killer ball by Chandler to Johnson who was about to turn free when tripped in box. After the first 30 or so minutes, Slovenia really found the game and took it to them. By the way, I really like Matavz, the kid who scored both goals and hit the post on another. Had to look him up. He moved to PSV this year and already has 3 goals in just 4 appearances.
 
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I was wrong about Jay Heaps not having any coaching experience. Turns out he was a volunteer assistent coach for Northeastern University for 2 years while he was playing for Revs.

 

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