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[jonessed]

Is there actual evidence for the claims against Suarez and Terry, or just he said, uh, he said?

The Suarez back-and-forth took place in the box before a corner and supposedly numerous people including an official heard it.

"We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play —including Evra’s own team-mates and all the match officials —heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken"

His appeal was all about how "negrito" was not derogatory in Uruguay. How can Liverpool FC still be arguing about what was said? It's absurd.The only debate is how he said it and what he meant by it.

 

[Sebowski]

Is there actual evidence for the claims against Suarez and Terry, or just he said, uh, he said?

The Suarez back-and-forth took place in the box before a corner and supposedly numerous people including an official heard it.

"We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play —including Evra’s own team-mates and all the match officials —heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken"

His appeal was all about how "negrito" was not derogatory in Uruguay. How can Liverpool FC still be arguing about what was said? It's absurd.The only debate is how he said it and what he meant by it.

Is that really all he said?

 

[otello]

BS red card here:

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/22/9630744-dutch-soccer-match-abandoned-after-goalie-retaliates-against-pitch-invader

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Working from home = Chelsea/Spurs in glorious HD.

 

[jonessed]

Is there actual evidence for the claims against Suarez and Terry, or just he said, uh, he said?

The Suarez back-and-forth took place in the box before a corner and supposedly numerous people including an official heard it.

"We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play —including Evra’s own team-mates and all the match officials —heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken"

His appeal was all about how "negrito" was not derogatory in Uruguay. How can Liverpool FC still be arguing about what was said? It's absurd.The only debate is how he said it and what he meant by it.

Is that really all he said?

Well, that's the word he used. Apparently he used it pretty liberally over the course of the match.I think the British laws on "free speech" regarding racist language and how the FA handles these matters absolutely absurd, but everybody knows the rules.

And Liverpool's reaction to the matter where the team all wear Suarez t-shirts during warm-up is taking things a bit too far. The guy was throwing racial slurs at someone. There's no debate about that anymore. He admitted to what he said. It's perfectly reasonable to support your player, but let's not publicly celebrate racism.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Klinsmann released the Jan camp roster which as always is a mix of mostly MLS and Scandanavian players.

John, Gonzalez, Sapong and Zusi are nice to see. Good to see Benny and Parhurst in the mix as well.

U.S. roster

GOALKEEPERS (3): Bill Hamid (D.C. United), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake).

DEFENDERS (7): Geoff Cameron (Houston Dynamo), A.J. DeLaGarza (LA Galaxy), Omar Gonzalez (LA Galaxy), George John (FC Dallas), Zach Loyd (FC Dallas), Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjaelland), Heath Pearce (Chivas USA).

MIDFIELDERS (6): Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Ricardo Clark (Eintracht Frankfurt), Benny Feilhaber (New England Revolution), Jeff Larentowicz (Colorado Rapids), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City).

FORWARDS (4): Juan Agudelo (New York Red Bulls), Teal Bunbury (Sporting Kansas City), C.J. Sapong (Sporting Kansas City), Chris Wondolowski (San Jose Earthquakes).

 

[Steve Tasker]

Klinsmann released the Jan camp roster which as always is a mix of mostly MLS and Scandanavian players. John, Gonzalez, Sapong and Zusi are nice to see. Good to see Benny and Parhurst in the mix as well. U.S. rosterGOALKEEPERS (3): Bill Hamid (D.C. United), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake).DEFENDERS (7): Geoff Cameron (Houston Dynamo), A.J. DeLaGarza (LA Galaxy), Omar Gonzalez (LA Galaxy), George John (FC Dallas), Zach Loyd (FC Dallas), Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjaelland), Heath Pearce (Chivas USA).MIDFIELDERS (6): Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Ricardo Clark (Eintracht Frankfurt), Benny Feilhaber (New England Revolution), Jeff Larentowicz (Colorado Rapids), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City).FORWARDS (4): Juan Agudelo (New York Red Bulls), Teal Bunbury (Sporting Kansas City), C.J. Sapong (Sporting Kansas City), Chris Wondolowski (San Jose Earthquakes).

I was surprised that there was no Diskerud, didn't realize he was with the U-23s....

 

[NewlyRetired]

Klinsmann released the Jan camp roster which as always is a mix of mostly MLS and Scandanavian players. John, Gonzalez, Sapong and Zusi are nice to see. Good to see Benny and Parhurst in the mix as well. U.S. rosterGOALKEEPERS (3): Bill Hamid (D.C. United), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake).DEFENDERS (7): Geoff Cameron (Houston Dynamo), A.J. DeLaGarza (LA Galaxy), Omar Gonzalez (LA Galaxy), George John (FC Dallas), Zach Loyd (FC Dallas), Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjaelland), Heath Pearce (Chivas USA).MIDFIELDERS (6): Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Ricardo Clark (Eintracht Frankfurt), Benny Feilhaber (New England Revolution), Jeff Larentowicz (Colorado Rapids), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City).FORWARDS (4): Juan Agudelo (New York Red Bulls), Teal Bunbury (Sporting Kansas City), C.J. Sapong (Sporting Kansas City), Chris Wondolowski (San Jose Earthquakes).

I was surprised that there was no Diskerud, didn't realize he was with the U-23s....

Yeah. Agudelo and Jozy will likely be joining him with the U23's if recent interviews with Klinsmann are to be believed. It looks liks a nice U23 side. Shea could even join them as well.Hopefully a semi strong team can qualify and then be bolstered with Shea, Chandler, Jozy, Agudelo and likely Howard as one of the overage players by the summer time.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Is there actual evidence for the claims against Suarez and Terry, or just he said, uh, he said?

The Suarez back-and-forth took place in the box before a corner and supposedly numerous people including an official heard it.

"We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play —including Evra’s own team-mates and all the match officials —heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken"

His appeal was all about how "negrito" was not derogatory in Uruguay. How can Liverpool FC still be arguing about what was said? It's absurd.The only debate is how he said it and what he meant by it.

Is that really all he said?

Well, that's the word he used. Apparently he used it pretty liberally over the course of the match.I think the British laws on "free speech" regarding racist language and how the FA handles these matters absolutely absurd, but everybody knows the rules.

And Liverpool's reaction to the matter where the team all wear Suarez t-shirts during warm-up is taking things a bit too far. The guy was throwing racial slurs at someone. There's no debate about that anymore. He admitted to what he said. It's perfectly reasonable to support your player, but let's not publicly celebrate racism.

I disagree with your assessments, and feel that your views are just because you don't like Liverpool. (Conversely, I do like Liverpool, so my views are slanted in the opposite direction, but I realize it). Suarez admitted to using the word, but talked about the connotation meaning something different where he is from. Whether that's true or not I admittedly have no idea, but the fact that he says that he wasn't intending a racist comment, and the fact that he said Man U players use it as well (once again, something I don't know for fact) makes me side with him. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he's the most racist person on the planet, but I believe that it wasn't his intent, and I don't think that by wearing shirts supporting him Liverpool were "celebrating racism". Walt Disney was a well known racist. Every time that you pop Snow White into your kid's DVD player, are you celebrating racism? Being convinced that Suarez is a racist is one thing, condemning the T-shirt support is frankly dumb and off the mark.

 

[B Maverick]

Is there actual evidence for the claims against Suarez and Terry, or just he said, uh, he said?

The Suarez back-and-forth took place in the box before a corner and supposedly numerous people including an official heard it.

"We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play —including Evra’s own team-mates and all the match officials —heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken"

His appeal was all about how "negrito" was not derogatory in Uruguay. How can Liverpool FC still be arguing about what was said? It's absurd.The only debate is how he said it and what he meant by it.

Is that really all he said?

Well, that's the word he used. Apparently he used it pretty liberally over the course of the match.I think the British laws on "free speech" regarding racist language and how the FA handles these matters absolutely absurd, but everybody knows the rules.

And Liverpool's reaction to the matter where the team all wear Suarez t-shirts during warm-up is taking things a bit too far. The guy was throwing racial slurs at someone. There's no debate about that anymore. He admitted to what he said. It's perfectly reasonable to support your player, but let's not publicly celebrate racism.

I disagree with your assessments, and feel that your views are just because you don't like Liverpool. (Conversely, I do like Liverpool, so my views are slanted in the opposite direction, but I realize it). Suarez admitted to using the word, but talked about the connotation meaning something different where he is from. Whether that's true or not I admittedly have no idea, but the fact that he says that he wasn't intending a racist comment, and the fact that he said Man U players use it as well (once again, something I don't know for fact) makes me side with him. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he's the most racist person on the planet, but I believe that it wasn't his intent, and I don't think that by wearing shirts supporting him Liverpool were "celebrating racism". Walt Disney was a well known racist. Every time that you pop Snow White into your kid's DVD player, are you celebrating racism? Being convinced that Suarez is a racist is one thing, condemning the T-shirt support is frankly dumb and off the mark.

Just because the Man U teammates use it doesnt make it ok. Just like here in the good ole US when a black guy uses the N word its ok, but a white guy cant. An opponant cant use it but a teammate can.and Yes I am a United supporter, but just trying to put it into perspective.

8 games may be a bit much, IMO but when he appeals and they lengthen it, I will laugh.

 

[B Maverick]

Phil Jones suffered a broken cheekbone today vs some JV squad that got smashed 5-0. Clint Dempsey

Kinda sucks, no Vidic, Fletcher, Jones....very depleted back line for United. Smalling and Rio are the only two healthy cb's available for awhile, expect some not so clean sheets.

You don't #### with the Dempsey

Dempsy messed him UP!you can add Young out 2-3 weeks and no time table for Cleverly's return.

Missing Fabio, Rafael, Vidic, Fletcher, Jones, Anderson...

Guess that means some action for Fryers and Progba. Heck may see some more time at CB for Berbatov!!!

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Is there actual evidence for the claims against Suarez and Terry, or just he said, uh, he said?

The Suarez back-and-forth took place in the box before a corner and supposedly numerous people including an official heard it.

"We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play —including Evra’s own team-mates and all the match officials —heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken"

His appeal was all about how "negrito" was not derogatory in Uruguay. How can Liverpool FC still be arguing about what was said? It's absurd.The only debate is how he said it and what he meant by it.

Is that really all he said?

Well, that's the word he used. Apparently he used it pretty liberally over the course of the match.I think the British laws on "free speech" regarding racist language and how the FA handles these matters absolutely absurd, but everybody knows the rules.

And Liverpool's reaction to the matter where the team all wear Suarez t-shirts during warm-up is taking things a bit too far. The guy was throwing racial slurs at someone. There's no debate about that anymore. He admitted to what he said. It's perfectly reasonable to support your player, but let's not publicly celebrate racism.

I disagree with your assessments, and feel that your views are just because you don't like Liverpool. (Conversely, I do like Liverpool, so my views are slanted in the opposite direction, but I realize it). Suarez admitted to using the word, but talked about the connotation meaning something different where he is from. Whether that's true or not I admittedly have no idea, but the fact that he says that he wasn't intending a racist comment, and the fact that he said Man U players use it as well (once again, something I don't know for fact) makes me side with him. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he's the most racist person on the planet, but I believe that it wasn't his intent, and I don't think that by wearing shirts supporting him Liverpool were "celebrating racism". Walt Disney was a well known racist. Every time that you pop Snow White into your kid's DVD player, are you celebrating racism? Being convinced that Suarez is a racist is one thing, condemning the T-shirt support is frankly dumb and off the mark.

Just because the Man U teammates use it doesnt make it ok. Just like here in the good ole US when a black guy uses the N word its ok, but a white guy cant. An opponant cant use it but a teammate can.

and Yes I am a United supporter, but just trying to put it into perspective.

8 games may be a bit much, IMO but when he appeals and they lengthen it, I will laugh.

Good to know.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Guess that means some action for Fryers and Progba. Heck may see some more time at CB for Berbatov!!!

Please tell me his first name is Pidier.

 

[scoobygang]

Being convinced that Suarez is a racist is one thing, condemning the T-shirt support is frankly dumb and off the mark.

This is a weird take. This isn't like buying a Disney movie. Nobody is calling for Liverpool to stop employing Suarez. If someone had started wearing "I Support Walt" tee shirts after his racist views had come out in the press, that would have also been weird (I understand that Walt was just a frozen head by then, but still). What's weird about Liverpool is that we've heard two entirely different stories. First that the slur isn't a slur in Uruaguay (which seems, ..., dubious) and now that "nobody heard" Suarez say anything but Evra. For the entire organization to now take to wearing tee shirts suggesting that Suarez has been railroaded is just odd. The only prism through which the action makes any kind of sense is the one that assumes that Liverpool is completely convinced that the powers that be are out to get them and favor ManU.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Being convinced that Suarez is a racist is one thing, condemning the T-shirt support is frankly dumb and off the mark.

This is a weird take. This isn't like buying a Disney movie. Nobody is calling for Liverpool to stop employing Suarez. If someone had started wearing "I Support Walt" tee shirts after his racist views had come out in the press, that would have also been weird (I understand that Walt was just a frozen head by then, but still). What's weird about Liverpool is that we've heard two entirely different stories. First that the slur isn't a slur in Uruaguay (which seems, ..., dubious) and now that "nobody heard" Suarez say anything but Evra. For the entire organization to now take to wearing tee shirts suggesting that Suarez has been railroaded is just odd. The only prism through which the action makes any kind of sense is the one that assumes that Liverpool is completely convinced that the powers that be are out to get them and favor ManU.

I think of the two takes, yours is very much the weird one. If the shirts said "WE SUPPORT LUIS AND ALL THE THINGS HE HAS EVER SAID" then I would agree with you that the shirts were in bad taste. They had his picture and his name and number on them. They wore them in support of him. I don't see what the big deal is.

 

[jonessed]

Is there actual evidence for the claims against Suarez and Terry, or just he said, uh, he said?

The Suarez back-and-forth took place in the box before a corner and supposedly numerous people including an official heard it.

"We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play —including Evra’s own team-mates and all the match officials —heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken"

His appeal was all about how "negrito" was not derogatory in Uruguay. How can Liverpool FC still be arguing about what was said? It's absurd.The only debate is how he said it and what he meant by it.

Is that really all he said?

Well, that's the word he used. Apparently he used it pretty liberally over the course of the match.I think the British laws on "free speech" regarding racist language and how the FA handles these matters absolutely absurd, but everybody knows the rules.

And Liverpool's reaction to the matter where the team all wear Suarez t-shirts during warm-up is taking things a bit too far. The guy was throwing racial slurs at someone. There's no debate about that anymore. He admitted to what he said. It's perfectly reasonable to support your player, but let's not publicly celebrate racism.

I disagree with your assessments, and feel that your views are just because you don't like Liverpool. (Conversely, I do like Liverpool, so my views are slanted in the opposite direction, but I realize it). Suarez admitted to using the word, but talked about the connotation meaning something different where he is from. Whether that's true or not I admittedly have no idea, but the fact that he says that he wasn't intending a racist comment, and the fact that he said Man U players use it as well (once again, something I don't know for fact) makes me side with him. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he's the most racist person on the planet, but I believe that it wasn't his intent, and I don't think that by wearing shirts supporting him Liverpool were "celebrating racism". Walt Disney was a well known racist. Every time that you pop Snow White into your kid's DVD player, are you celebrating racism? Being convinced that Suarez is a racist is one thing, condemning the T-shirt support is frankly dumb and off the mark.

I don't hate Liverpool. I like Dalglish. I don't like Suarez, but that's because he comes across as a giant ########. I really had no opinion of him until the Ajax biting incident. I understand that players get heated, but what kind of person bites someone? It's not like he took a nibble. He went full mouth. That's freakish.Anyway, Suarez isn't new to international football. I find it hard to believe that he doesn't know what constitutes a racial slur in English. And why would anyone just take his word for it? Nobody is taking Terry's word for anything. You have to go by someone's actions. He said it, everyone knows he said it, it's clearly racist. Why would the FA go looking for an excuse to let him off?

I doubt Suarez is actually a racist and I doubt Terry is racist, but that doesn't change that fact that they both used racial slurs and the UK and the FA have pretty strict rules against that. They should both know better.

The t-shirt thing is inappropriate an just flat out strange. If you can't see that I don't see how I can explain it to you. I guess we will just agree to disagree.

 

[jonessed]

Phil Jones suffered a broken cheekbone today vs some JV squad that got smashed 5-0. Clint Dempsey

Kinda sucks, no Vidic, Fletcher, Jones....very depleted back line for United. Smalling and Rio are the only two healthy cb's available for awhile, expect some not so clean sheets.

You don't #### with the Dempsey

Dempsy messed him UP!you can add Young out 2-3 weeks and no time table for Cleverly's return.

Missing Fabio, Rafael, Vidic, Fletcher, Jones, Anderson...

Guess that means some action for Fryers and Progba. Heck may see some more time at CB for Berbatov!!!

The injuries are bad, but they came at a pretty good time. United have a stretch of home games against some pretty marginal competition. They really shouldn't have too much trouble.I actually think Rafael is back, although he may not be at full fitness.

 

[The Gator]

Just because the Man U teammates use it doesnt make it ok. Just like here in the good ole US when a black guy uses the N word its ok, but a white guy cant. An opponant cant use it but a teammate can.

Oh come on

 

[Sebowski]

I'm half South American (Bolivia), and I don't think "Negrito" is racist at all. It is like calling the fat guy Gordo and the skinny guy Flaco. No big deal. Calling people things that describe the way they look like is more common in less politically correct and sensitive communities. I'm interested to hear Z's take on it though. Maybe it is a regional thing. I also have never used the word or spent enough time in the area to have a 100% stance on it. I've always heard it in as playful a way as the examples I mentioned.

 

[The Gator]

A little more has come out on how they decided;

He was given two matches for using insulting language towards an opponent - the standard punishment if a player is sent off for such an offence.

So he got the standard punishment for being sent off when he wasn't sent off.

Again, not saying he's innocent or guilty, but this is dumb.

 

[prefontaine]

I'm half South American (Bolivia), and I don't think "Negrito" is racist at all. It is like calling the fat guy Gordo and the skinny guy Flaco. No big deal. Calling people things that describe the way they look like is more common in less politically correct and sensitive communities.

We do the same thing. Would anyone be upset if you called a guy black? That's using a physical description and is the exact same thing. The problem in this instance is that the word for black in Spanish is negro, which sounds awful racist to a native english speaker. No idea if Evra speaks Spanish but the French word is Noir so he might not recognize negrito at all. Anyway, in my travels to central america, I would say use of the term negrito is fairly common. My tour guide in Panama was referred to by literally everyone as el negro, which I took to mean, the black guy and not a racist term because it was commonly used and he never seemed even slightly irritated by it. Lexicon is a funny thing really. In the US the term negro was pretty prevalent until the late 60s (MLK often used it in speeches for instance). It became somewhat offensive and now the terms black or African-American are the only ones acceptable. But a rather large foundation in America still carries the name - the United Negro College Fund. I get it and don't mean to diminish that racism in football has been a problem. The FA is taking a hard line here. Suarez should definitely know better having lived in the Netherlands and now England. Football takes racism seriously and he is bound to know the derogatory english words. So I think he should be punished. But I do believe 8 games seems rather excessive if all he said was negrito.

 

[Slapdash]

I'm half South American (Bolivia), and I don't think "Negrito" is racist at all. It is like calling the fat guy Gordo and the skinny guy Flaco. No big deal. Calling people things that describe the way they look like is more common in less politically correct and sensitive communities. I'm interested to hear Z's take on it though. Maybe it is a regional thing. I also have never used the word or spent enough time in the area to have a 100% stance on it. I've always heard it in as playful a way as the examples I mentioned.

Yeah, I think this is pretty common in most Latin American/Iberian countries. Not usually pejoritive.

 

[Sebowski]

I'm half South American (Bolivia), and I don't think "Negrito" is racist at all. It is like calling the fat guy Gordo and the skinny guy Flaco. No big deal. Calling people things that describe the way they look like is more common in less politically correct and sensitive communities.

We do the same thing. Would anyone be upset if you called a guy black?

Unfortunately, yes.

 

[The Z Machine]

I'll have to ask my wife her opinion sicne she's native sudamericana, but here's my take.

There's a difference between "negro" and "negrito", the later being more pejorative than the former. The "-ito" is the diminutive form, and thus is more akin to "blacky" than "black". The term "negro" or "negrito" is used quite often as a nickname for people, both of very light complexion (like my wife) and those of darker complexion (like my brother-in-law). Both have the nickname "negro/a".

Historically, there has been much more intermarriage between ethnic groups in South America compared to the US, so the so-called "divisions" between the ethnic groups are more blurry than elsewhere. However, in general the higher up the socio-economic scale one goes, the lighter the skin of the people who are in that stratum. I certanly know people that live in Venezeula that are racist and fairly vocal about not liking people of very dark skin. Obviously it's a complex and dynamic system that I don't fully understand and may never understand even if I lived there.

Now back to the comment at the root of this. Yes, I would say that Suarez was using the term "negrito" in a pejoritve manner, and yes I would say that there is certainly a racial component to the comment. However, I think that the FA is probably NOT taking into account the usage of the term in Uruguayan society, where it probably has a less offensive connotation.

I'll ask my wife what she thinks about this when she gets home.

 

[The Z Machine]

Also, Manzano is gone as the head coach of my Atleti. Diego "el cholo" Simeone will be the nwe head coach. He's a former Atletico player (1994-1997) and most recently coached Racing Club of Argentina. He's only coached briefly in Europe for Catania in Italy, so this is a pretty big step for him since he's only 41. The last time Atleti brought in a former player with a young managerial career it went fairly well with Quique Sanchez Flores and the Europa League title.

I'm not sure what type of coach he'll be, or if he can right the ship for Atleti, but getting rid of Manzano was mandatory after the run of games they've had losing to some not so good teams. They sit in 10th place right now, and need to perform better away from home. Also, it looks like Reyes will out (back to Sevilla it appears) and they may sign a few players in the winter transfer period.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

The exact moment when Clint Dempsey called Craig Bellamy a "Welsh honkey"

 

[onionsack]

Don't understand all the furor about Liverpool players dressing up like Suarez to show their support for him.

 

[Sebowski]

Don't understand all the furor about Liverpool players dressing up like Suarez to show their support for him.

Thought you were going in this direction

 

[NewlyRetired]

Haven't been around much so please ignore if this was already posted.

Very strong rumor of US vs Italy, Feb 29th in Italy.

 

[The Gator]

Maxi needs to be in from here on out. Stop ####ing around, Kenneth

Also, please...for the love of Tebow, stop force feeding Carroll. Get some flow going and pick and chose your crosses. He's not nearly good enough(yet?) to dominate everything thrown at him.

 

[Steve Tasker]

West Brom with a massive point this morning.

Derek>hey

 

[The Gator]

West Brom with a massive point this morning.Derek>hey

This was a fun final 20 minutes

 

[derek245583]

West Brom with a massive point this morning.Derek>hey

Sucked....lots of blown opps for both teams in the last half hour

 

[Steve Tasker]

back-to-back goalline stops within the last 15 seconds in Blackburn/Liverpool....Bunn with a massive save and Henley with an unbelievable clearance.

 

[The Gator]

back-to-back goalline stops within the last 15 seconds in Blackburn/Liverpool....Bunn with a massive save and Henley with an unbelievable clearance.

Let's not do this here, guy

 

[Sebowski]

Damn. Forgot about games today.

Task/G, Fifa later?

 

[The Gator]

Damn. Forgot about games today. Task/G, Fifa later?

Working today, unless you meant later like at night, then maybe,

 

[Steve Tasker]

Damn. Forgot about games today.

Task/G, Fifa later?

Working today, unless you meant later like at night, then maybe,

Horrible Bosses 2Re: FIFA, maybe, probably depends on what time. Last day of the "holidays" for me today, have some family stuff to attend to.

 

[Bonzai]

back-to-back goalline stops within the last 15 seconds in Blackburn/Liverpool....Bunn with a massive save and Henley with an unbelievable clearance.

That was wild. Liverpool fans at the bar were going insane.

 

[Mjolnirs]

Winter break is here for the Bundesliga.

How long is the break typically and what do teams do during the break?

Just read this in an email.2-9 January 2012 Winter training camp in Doha, Qatar9 January 2012 Flight to New Delhi, India 10 January 2012 Friendly v India national team11 January 2012 Return flight to Munich15 January 2012 Friendly v Rot-Weiß Erfurt (3rd division)20 January 2012 Bundesliga Matchday 18: Borussia Mönchengladbach

 

[Steve Tasker]

Is Wayne Hennessey the best GK in the EPL? ####.

 

[jonessed]

I still can't believe Milijas got sent off and Song stayed on.

Congrats to Wolves for working past the referee for the draw.

 

[B Maverick]

Just because the Man U teammates use it doesnt make it ok. Just like here in the good ole US when a black guy uses the N word its ok, but a white guy cant. An opponant cant use it but a teammate can.

Oh come on

 

[Steve Tasker]

I still can't believe Milijas got sent off and Song stayed on.Congrats to Wolves for working past the referee for the draw.

What happened? I only saw bits and pieces of the game.

 

[jonessed]

I still can't believe Milijas got sent off and Song stayed on.Congrats to Wolves for working past the referee for the draw.

What happened? I only saw bits and pieces of the game.

Song did something similar to what Rooney did to earn his FIFA red card; lost the ball, semi-tackled, and then swept through cynically with his other leg to trip the player. Milijas' card will likely be rescinded. It was two-footed, but he got the ball, he didn't lunge in, and neither foot actually left the ground. I'm not sure what the ref saw, but there are dozens of similar tackles every gameweek. Hell, Vermaelen stomped on Roger Johnson with a yellow card already under his belt and I think the ref just missed it or he would have been gone as well.Song's foul wasn't a definite red card, but it was certainly more deserving than Milijas'. Milijas' red card kind of came out of the blue.

 

[Mjolnirs]

I just read this on an FCB board and I thought it was interesting.

The top 3 teams in attendance this season in the big four leagues:

Germany:

Dortmund 80,365

Bayern Munich 69,000

Shalke 60,992

Spain:

Barca 84,000

Real 72,271

Atletico 45,000

England:

Man U 75,524

Arsenal 59,981

Newcastle 48,484

Italy:

Inter 59,500

Napoli 47,333

Milan 46,580

 

[NewlyRetired]

I just read this on an FCB board and I thought it was interesting.

The top 3 teams in attendance this season in the big four leagues:

Germany:

Dortmund 80,365

Bayern Munich 69,000

Shalke 60,992

Spain:

Barca 84,000

Real 72,271

Atletico 45,000

England:

Man U 75,524

Arsenal 59,981

Newcastle 48,484

Italy:

Inter 59,500

Napoli 47,333

Milan 46,580

Here are links to attendance info for the 4 big Euro leagues for all teams in the league. Spain

Germany

Italy

England

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

A US-eligible left back prospect?

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2011/12/the-lowdown-on-dan-potts.html

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Bale is taking a lot of questionable shots here. Spurs don't look overly impressive.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Bale is taking a lot of questionable shots here. Spurs don't look overly impressive.

That one wasn't questionable. 1-0.