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Wow, Chelsea just completely out of sorts. They moved the ball around nicely in the second half yet had very few actionable opportunities to score. Bad news for the Blues :(
I think they still have a decent shot to come through this round. The good news is that Meireles is suspended, so can't play in the return leg no matter how badly AVB would like to put him out there. It was a freakish game. I thought all 4 goals were cheap. A 2-0 at the Bridge is unlikely, but not completely out of the realm of reasonable expectations for a Chelsea fan imo. Obviously, they've got to figure out the back line issues. We need to get comfortable with the scary reality that Cahill and Luiz are our CB's for the next 6-8 weeks at least. JT is not walking through that door. Alex is not walking through that door. Ricky Carvalho is not walking through that door. Marcel Desailly is not walking through that door. I hate to criticize lineup decisions and freely admit that I don't know squat about football tactics, but I'd like to see more of the 4-2-3-1 with Essien and Romeu (or Obi-wan) protecting the back line and Mata in the center, with Sturridge and Ramieres (Lamps/FloMo/Kalou) behind Drogba/Torres.
I want to believe in the AVB project, but I'm not sure having Terry, or even Carvalho available would help that much. AVB wants to play a high line to compress the field. I suppose the experience of Terry and Carvalho would make that a bit easier, but it just seems to me that Chelsea's CBs are too slow to implement that tactic. Dual holding mids might be a decent strategy. I praised Ramieres early in the year, but he was dreadful yesterday. Worse than Mereiles. I'm just not sure how Lamps fits in the team.
 
Marseilles came about 1 minute away from ruining my day. Freaking Bayern put a dent in the wallet though. I wish Mjolnirs would have posted earlier about Byron's troubles. That's the last time I back a German team.

 
Wow, Chelsea just completely out of sorts. They moved the ball around nicely in the second half yet had very few actionable opportunities to score. Bad news for the Blues :(
I think they still have a decent shot to come through this round. The good news is that Meireles is suspended, so can't play in the return leg no matter how badly AVB would like to put him out there. It was a freakish game. I thought all 4 goals were cheap. A 2-0 at the Bridge is unlikely, but not completely out of the realm of reasonable expectations for a Chelsea fan imo. Obviously, they've got to figure out the back line issues. We need to get comfortable with the scary reality that Cahill and Luiz are our CB's for the next 6-8 weeks at least. JT is not walking through that door. Alex is not walking through that door. Ricky Carvalho is not walking through that door. Marcel Desailly is not walking through that door. I hate to criticize lineup decisions and freely admit that I don't know squat about football tactics, but I'd like to see more of the 4-2-3-1 with Essien and Romeu (or Obi-wan) protecting the back line and Mata in the center, with Sturridge and Ramieres (Lamps/FloMo/Kalou) behind Drogba/Torres.
2-0? I don't see how anyone could predict a Napoli shut-out. Even City couldn't shut out Napoli and their defense is significantly better than Chelsea's. Without the experience of Terry to help with positioning I don't see how Luiz and Cahill can rebuff the speed of Napoli's counter-attack. Chelsea is going to have to find a way to light up the scoreboard because they aren't shutting these guys out.
 
The Earthquakes jumped past what looks to be the very last hurdle when the planning board voted down the final appeal against the stadium 6-0.

They expect to break ground shortly and hope to be up and running sometime in 2013.

Not going to be a palace like NY as it is being built with short money but will be an enormous upgrade from where they have been stuck playing. Here is a rendition of what the stadium will look like. Fans are nick naming it the Epi Center.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/546063/aerial_local0112.jpg

 
The Earthquakes jumped past what looks to be the very last hurdle when the planning board voted down the final appeal against the stadium 6-0. They expect to break ground shortly and hope to be up and running sometime in 2013. Not going to be a palace like NY as it is being built with short money but will be an enormous upgrade from where they have been stuck playing. Here is a rendition of what the stadium will look like. Fans are nick naming it the Epi Center. http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/546063/aerial_local0112.jpg
They should put up some of those huge fences like they have in Argentina.
 
'Mjolnirs said:
- Bayern will win in a cake-walk over Basel even though they are playing in Switzerland. I'm going with the faves here even though they are -250 right now.
That sounds nice and I hope it happens. But, Bayern have to get back to putting the ball in the net. The 0-0 against bottom of the table Freiburg does not inspire confidence.
:wall:How can a team with so much firepower have a goal drought like this?
Bayern are looking for the perfect shot and it just isn't happening. Schweinsteiger needs to heal quickly.
 
'AcerFC said:
I cant keep up with this thread so no idea if this has been posted. Pre sale for Brazil-Argentina. Im pretty sure I will be goingBrazil vs. ArgentinaInternational SoccerJune 9, 2012 at 3:00PMMetLife StadiumPresale Starts: Wed. 2/22 at 10:00AMPresale Ends: Thurs. 2/23 at 11:59PMCode: NEYMARPublic On Sale Starts: Fri. 2/24 at 11:00AM (Ticketmaster only Feb. 24 - 26. Box Office sales begin Feb. 27 at 11:00AM)
I am very-tentatively in for this.
Did anyone else look for tickets? I went on and the cheapest was $150. I dont know if that is just for the presale or I missed something. I cant really be spending 150 on a game right now. Plus all my normal people I go with cant make it that day
 
'AcerFC said:
I cant keep up with this thread so no idea if this has been posted. Pre sale for Brazil-Argentina. Im pretty sure I will be goingBrazil vs. ArgentinaInternational SoccerJune 9, 2012 at 3:00PMMetLife StadiumPresale Starts: Wed. 2/22 at 10:00AMPresale Ends: Thurs. 2/23 at 11:59PMCode: NEYMARPublic On Sale Starts: Fri. 2/24 at 11:00AM (Ticketmaster only Feb. 24 - 26. Box Office sales begin Feb. 27 at 11:00AM)
I am very-tentatively in for this.
Did anyone else look for tickets? I went on and the cheapest was $150. I dont know if that is just for the presale or I missed something. I cant really be spending 150 on a game right now. Plus all my normal people I go with cant make it that day
soudns about rightmy dad was able to find some for 138 but i deleted the email
 
Looks like Orlando is moving up the MLS expansion food chain.

With New York City faltering, Orlando makes MLS pushMajor League Soccer is desperate for a presence in New York City. But The Big Apple isn’t exactly ready for MLS.The comprehensive restructuring of the New York Cosmos expansion bid and the lack of public progress toward building a stadium in the five boroughs have thrust a once-unlikely candidate toward the front of the race for team No. 20—Orlando.Don Garber says MLS is focused on NYC, but he has a meeting with Orlando officials to hear the city's pitch. (AP Photo)The theme park capital’s bona fides were enhanced this week with the confirmation that MLS commissioner Don Garber will meet March 1 with Orlando mayor Buddy Dyer, city leaders and fans of USL Pro (third division) club Orlando City, which has every intention of transitioning from minor to major league.“While New York City remains the League’s focus for our 20th club, it’s important to continue evaluating future options as we continue to grow the league,” Garber said. “This growth has been built on a foundation of strategic expansion strategies and a growing passionate soccer fan base across North America. As such, I’ve been impressed with Orlando City’s success on and off the field and look forward to meeting with local supporters and speaking directly with key public officials about the future of professional soccer in Orlando.”City played its first season in Orlando last year after moving from Austin, Texas. Owned and run by Phil Rawlins, an investor in English Premier League club Stoke City, Orlando drew around 5,500 fans per game in its inaugural season at the Citrus Bowl and won the USL Pro championship. More than 11,000 showed for the final. The Montreal Impact, now in MLS, were the only club in the second through fourth divisions of American soccer that drew more fans in 2011. The Impact have been around since 1993.Last fall, Rawlins told Sporting News that entry into MLS by 2014 wasn’t out of the question. The big leagues have been his target since he acquired the former Austin club, and next week’s meeting with Garber won’t be the first. But the commissioner’s March 1 visit will be the most public and will include a “town hall” style interaction with fans at an Orlando restaurant. Garber’s trip will coincide with the third Walt Disney World Pro Soccer Classic, a preseason tournament that will feature City, six MLS clubs and Sweden’s BK Häcken and run Feb. 24-March 3.City already has earned 1-1 draws with the Seattle Sounders and Philadelphia Union in exhibitions this month.The key to Orlando’s bid will, of course, be a stadium (plus continued sluggishness in New York). Sporting News understands that paying the expansion fee, which will top the $40 million paid by Montreal, won’t be a problem and that additional investors are waiting in the wings if progress is made.The Florida Citrus Bowl, while iconic, isn’t up to modern professional standards. There are no seat backs in the facility and few amenities, and the plan to upgrade the stadium with money earned from state and local tourism taxes was delayed when the economy faltered.Government officials have set certain economic milestones, such as attendance and hotel room sales, before committing the funds to improve Orlando’s sports infrastructure. Even keeping the stadium’s two college football bowl games isn’t a given. The upcoming NBA All-Star game at the Amway Center will help fill the coffers.Meanwhile, Rawlins already has been exploring a permanent, soccer-specific stadium solution for his club.“We are committed to bringing an MLS franchise here and doing what it takes, whether it’s renovating the Citrus Bowl or finding a path to a soccer-specific stadium.Knowing MLS, they’re going to focus on the soccer-specific stadium,” a City spokesperson told Sporting News.MLS shut down its clubs in Tampa and Fort Lauderdale following the 2001 season and has since been leery about the reliability of Florida’s support.But the American southeast needs a team, and Rawlins’ group is the most viable yet to come forward. Whether they are more viable than anyone in New York remains to be seen, but Garber’s visit indicates that MLS at least has an open mind.
 
'NewlyRetired said:
Looks like Orlando is moving up the MLS expansion food chain.

With New York City faltering, Orlando makes MLS pushMajor League Soccer is desperate for a presence in New York City. But The Big Apple isn’t exactly ready for MLS.The comprehensive restructuring of the New York Cosmos expansion bid and the lack of public progress toward building a stadium in the five boroughs have thrust a once-unlikely candidate toward the front of the race for team No. 20—Orlando.Don Garber says MLS is focused on NYC, but he has a meeting with Orlando officials to hear the city's pitch. (AP Photo)The theme park capital’s bona fides were enhanced this week with the confirmation that MLS commissioner Don Garber will meet March 1 with Orlando mayor Buddy Dyer, city leaders and fans of USL Pro (third division) club Orlando City, which has every intention of transitioning from minor to major league.“While New York City remains the League’s focus for our 20th club, it’s important to continue evaluating future options as we continue to grow the league,” Garber said. “This growth has been built on a foundation of strategic expansion strategies and a growing passionate soccer fan base across North America. As such, I’ve been impressed with Orlando City’s success on and off the field and look forward to meeting with local supporters and speaking directly with key public officials about the future of professional soccer in Orlando.”City played its first season in Orlando last year after moving from Austin, Texas. Owned and run by Phil Rawlins, an investor in English Premier League club Stoke City, Orlando drew around 5,500 fans per game in its inaugural season at the Citrus Bowl and won the USL Pro championship. More than 11,000 showed for the final. The Montreal Impact, now in MLS, were the only club in the second through fourth divisions of American soccer that drew more fans in 2011. The Impact have been around since 1993.Last fall, Rawlins told Sporting News that entry into MLS by 2014 wasn’t out of the question. The big leagues have been his target since he acquired the former Austin club, and next week’s meeting with Garber won’t be the first. But the commissioner’s March 1 visit will be the most public and will include a “town hall” style interaction with fans at an Orlando restaurant. Garber’s trip will coincide with the third Walt Disney World Pro Soccer Classic, a preseason tournament that will feature City, six MLS clubs and Sweden’s BK Häcken and run Feb. 24-March 3.City already has earned 1-1 draws with the Seattle Sounders and Philadelphia Union in exhibitions this month.The key to Orlando’s bid will, of course, be a stadium (plus continued sluggishness in New York). Sporting News understands that paying the expansion fee, which will top the $40 million paid by Montreal, won’t be a problem and that additional investors are waiting in the wings if progress is made.The Florida Citrus Bowl, while iconic, isn’t up to modern professional standards. There are no seat backs in the facility and few amenities, and the plan to upgrade the stadium with money earned from state and local tourism taxes was delayed when the economy faltered.Government officials have set certain economic milestones, such as attendance and hotel room sales, before committing the funds to improve Orlando’s sports infrastructure. Even keeping the stadium’s two college football bowl games isn’t a given. The upcoming NBA All-Star game at the Amway Center will help fill the coffers.Meanwhile, Rawlins already has been exploring a permanent, soccer-specific stadium solution for his club.“We are committed to bringing an MLS franchise here and doing what it takes, whether it’s renovating the Citrus Bowl or finding a path to a soccer-specific stadium.Knowing MLS, they’re going to focus on the soccer-specific stadium,” a City spokesperson told Sporting News.MLS shut down its clubs in Tampa and Fort Lauderdale following the 2001 season and has since been leery about the reliability of Florida’s support.But the American southeast needs a team, and Rawlins’ group is the most viable yet to come forward. Whether they are more viable than anyone in New York remains to be seen, but Garber’s visit indicates that MLS at least has an open mind.
I know it doesn't mean everything, but Orlando City just had 6k attend a preseason friendly with the Union this weekend.6k at a preseason game for a 3rd tier American side. The roots are definitely getting laid out down there. And there's already at least three different OC supporters groups that hit up the Sons of Ben Facebook page this week. They've only been in Orlando 2 years but they seem to be doing it right so far.Hopefully the owners are bankrolled enough to make the jump to the top tier and have a stadium plan in mind - I don't think the Citrus Bowl will cut it long-term.
 
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'NewlyRetired said:
Looks like Orlando is moving up the MLS expansion food chain.

With New York City faltering, Orlando makes MLS pushMajor League Soccer is desperate for a presence in New York City. But The Big Apple isn’t exactly ready for MLS.The comprehensive restructuring of the New York Cosmos expansion bid and the lack of public progress toward building a stadium in the five boroughs have thrust a once-unlikely candidate toward the front of the race for team No. 20—Orlando.Don Garber says MLS is focused on NYC, but he has a meeting with Orlando officials to hear the city's pitch. (AP Photo)The theme park capital’s bona fides were enhanced this week with the confirmation that MLS commissioner Don Garber will meet March 1 with Orlando mayor Buddy Dyer, city leaders and fans of USL Pro (third division) club Orlando City, which has every intention of transitioning from minor to major league.“While New York City remains the League’s focus for our 20th club, it’s important to continue evaluating future options as we continue to grow the league,” Garber said. “This growth has been built on a foundation of strategic expansion strategies and a growing passionate soccer fan base across North America. As such, I’ve been impressed with Orlando City’s success on and off the field and look forward to meeting with local supporters and speaking directly with key public officials about the future of professional soccer in Orlando.”City played its first season in Orlando last year after moving from Austin, Texas. Owned and run by Phil Rawlins, an investor in English Premier League club Stoke City, Orlando drew around 5,500 fans per game in its inaugural season at the Citrus Bowl and won the USL Pro championship. More than 11,000 showed for the final. The Montreal Impact, now in MLS, were the only club in the second through fourth divisions of American soccer that drew more fans in 2011. The Impact have been around since 1993.Last fall, Rawlins told Sporting News that entry into MLS by 2014 wasn’t out of the question. The big leagues have been his target since he acquired the former Austin club, and next week’s meeting with Garber won’t be the first. But the commissioner’s March 1 visit will be the most public and will include a “town hall” style interaction with fans at an Orlando restaurant. Garber’s trip will coincide with the third Walt Disney World Pro Soccer Classic, a preseason tournament that will feature City, six MLS clubs and Sweden’s BK Häcken and run Feb. 24-March 3.City already has earned 1-1 draws with the Seattle Sounders and Philadelphia Union in exhibitions this month.The key to Orlando’s bid will, of course, be a stadium (plus continued sluggishness in New York). Sporting News understands that paying the expansion fee, which will top the $40 million paid by Montreal, won’t be a problem and that additional investors are waiting in the wings if progress is made.The Florida Citrus Bowl, while iconic, isn’t up to modern professional standards. There are no seat backs in the facility and few amenities, and the plan to upgrade the stadium with money earned from state and local tourism taxes was delayed when the economy faltered.Government officials have set certain economic milestones, such as attendance and hotel room sales, before committing the funds to improve Orlando’s sports infrastructure. Even keeping the stadium’s two college football bowl games isn’t a given. The upcoming NBA All-Star game at the Amway Center will help fill the coffers.Meanwhile, Rawlins already has been exploring a permanent, soccer-specific stadium solution for his club.“We are committed to bringing an MLS franchise here and doing what it takes, whether it’s renovating the Citrus Bowl or finding a path to a soccer-specific stadium.Knowing MLS, they’re going to focus on the soccer-specific stadium,” a City spokesperson told Sporting News.MLS shut down its clubs in Tampa and Fort Lauderdale following the 2001 season and has since been leery about the reliability of Florida’s support.But the American southeast needs a team, and Rawlins’ group is the most viable yet to come forward. Whether they are more viable than anyone in New York remains to be seen, but Garber’s visit indicates that MLS at least has an open mind.
I know it doesn't mean everything, but Orlando City just had 6k attend a preseason friendly with the Union this weekend.6k at a preseason game for a 3rd tier American side. The roots are definitely getting laid out down there. And there's already at least three different OC supporters groups that hit up the Sons of Ben Facebook page this week. They've only been in Orlando 2 years but they seem to be doing it right so far.Hopefully the owners are bankrolled enough to make the jump to the top tier and have a stadium plan in mind - I don't think the Citrus Bowl will cut it long-term.
I am very bullish on Orlando. I don't know a lot about the owners but if the expansion fee is no problem that could indicate a fairly deep pocket. This is a good move by Garber to keep the lines of communication open. When you look at the success of Seattle, Portland, Vancouver and hopefully Montreal, building up from an existing lower division side seems to have some very good merit.
 
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Cool little read, I think...

The £85 million team

February 23, 2012

By Norman Hubbard

Building a title-winning team often takes time and involves huge skill. It needs the ability to assemble a squad and to select the first 11, the organisational prowess to set a side up, and the coaching talent to improve footballers. It needs the tactical expertise to perm the right players and choose a suitable system. It requires the right personalities in the dressing room, an appropriate blend of youth and experience, with sufficient leaders but not too many egos. It can depend upon having the right personnel off the field, whether the chairman and chief executive or the scout and goalkeeping coach.

But for the purposes of this exercise, it only entails money and the facility to spend it well. The task is to construct a side capable of lifting the Premier League trophy. The complication - because the taskmaster is neither Sheikh Mansour nor Roman Abramovich - is that the 11 men to take the field must come in for a total amounting to no more than the £50 million Chelsea spent in making Fernando Torres the costliest player in the country. And, because this is a squad game nowadays, the rest of the 25-man squad must be brought in for no more than the £35 million Liverpool paid for the most expensive Englishman ever, Andy Carroll. The aim is to see how far excellent economy buys can take a team.

Rather than invented figures, and to try to make prices topical, it is compiled using the fees clubs paid in the last five transfer windows, from January 2010 onwards. As such, players bought before then are ineligible. So, too, are loanees and those who progressed through the youth ranks at their respective costs. So, whatever their value, Ryan Giggs, Micah Richards, Ledley King, Jack Wilshere, John Terry and Steven Gerrard are not available for selection.

Instead, for the purposes of argument, imagine our imaginary club had sufficient allure to tempt each of the players below to sign for us instead of their actual employers. The fees remain the same but the XI - after the idea of choosing Torres and ten free transfers was swiftly discounted - consists of:

Goalkeeper: Shay Given (Aston Villa, £3.5 million).

Defence: Danny Simpson (Newcastle, £750,000), Younes Kaboul (Tottenham, £5 million), Laurent Koscielny (Arsenal, £9.7 million), Jose Enrique (Liverpool, £6 million).

Midfield: Rafael van der Vaart (Tottenham, £8 million), Scott Parker (Tottenham, £5.5 million), Yohan Cabaye (Newcastle, £4.3 million), Craig Bellamy (Liverpool, free).

Attack: Demba Ba (Newcastle, free), Javier Hernandez (Manchester United, £6.9 million).

Total cost: £49.65 million.

And the rest of the squad, acquired for £33.15 million:

Goalkeepers: Michel Vorm (Swansea, £1.5 million), Brad Friedel (Tottenham, free).

Defenders: Steven Reid (West Bromwich Albion, free), Gary Cahill (Chelsea, £7 million), William Gallas (Tottenham, free), John O'Shea (Sunderland, £4 million).

Midfielders: Sebastian Larsson (Sunderland, free), Cheik Tiote (Newcastle, £4.4 million), Leon Britton (Swansea, £400,000), Adam Johnson (Manchester City, £8 million), James McClean (Sunderland, £350,000).

Strikers: Louis Saha (Tottenham, free), Peter Odemwingie (West Brom, £1.5 million), Stephane Sessegnon (Sunderland, £6 million).

REFLECTIONS

It is another way of illustrating that Tottenham and Newcastle, who supply ten of our 25-man squad, have bought brilliantly in recent years and that Liverpool's cheaper acquisitions have been their best. As each of our outfield starters, and 16 players in total, come from the top seven clubs, £85 million can go a long way if spent well.

As the figures show, no player cost over £10 million. This is one of the things that separates our side from City's and, much as an attempt was made to squeeze David Silva in, he would have eaten up almost half the budget for the side. It means that young players, whose potential can often inflate their transfer fee, and English footballers, often overvalued in the transfer market, are conspicuous by their absence. Instead, we have a contingent of cheaper, older players; in some cases, their injury record brought their price down.

Emphasising the positives, getting three fine goalkeepers for a combined cost of £5 million gives enviable options at the back and freed up funds for other departments. In addition, the central midfield should be excellent. If Tiote cannot get in a team - and there is a case for reuniting him with Cabaye, possibly alongside Parker in a trio - it is a sign of strength.

Furthermore, this is a side, and indeed a squad, overflowing with potential goalscorers. The lack of too many out-and-out wingers who have arrived for reasonable prices and excelled in the last couple of years mean the men chosen on either flank, Bellamy and Van der Vaart, can both adopt central attacking roles. Indeed, the Dutchman's habit of drifting infield could make Simpson a one-man right flank, which is a worry.

It is one of the reasons a sizeable chunk of the squad budget was used on Johnson, whose proven record as an impact substitute gives him added appeal. Furthermore, Stephane Sessegnon adds an element of the unpredictable and may be another game-changer. So could Louis Saha, picked ahead of the more prolific Yakubu. Many of the other cheaper additions to the squad were compromise choices and might not expect to see much first-team football.

On the debit side, however, this is not a stellar defence. Left-back Enrique may be the division's best in his position, but the same cannot be said for anyone else in the back four. Kaboul and Koscielny are at least improving but Gallas may be in decline and, error-prone at Bolton and unappreciated by Andre Villas-Boas, Cahill has had a torrid season. There was a case for picking the costlier Chris Smalling or Phil Jones, but either would have required Nemanja Vidic alongside him anyway and, unlike Sir Alex Ferguson, potential is not a factor in our purchases. So this highlights the fact that the Premier League's leading centre-backs have tended to stay at the same club for years, ruling most out of the reckoning for our side.

VERDICT

Is this a title-winning team? Almost certainly not. The very top players tend to command hefty fees and, to name but three, there is no Silva, Yaya Toure or Sergio Aguero. Successful sides often tend to build from the back, too, and despite the protection the central-midfield tacklers might supply, this is unlikely to be a watertight defence. But with the right manager and if the players gelled, Champions League football could be secured. Our £85 million has acquired more strength in depth than the current contenders for fourth. Getting higher might require spending Torres-esque sums of money on one or two players. Although, of course, not Torres himself.
 
'The Doctor said:
'AcerFC said:
'Steve Tasker said:
I am very-tentatively in for this.
Did anyone else look for tickets? I went on and the cheapest was $150. I dont know if that is just for the presale or I missed something. I cant really be spending 150 on a game right now. Plus all my normal people I go with cant make it that day
soudns about rightmy dad was able to find some for 138 but i deleted the email
That's a shame....I know my friends won't be in at that price.
 
'The Doctor said:
'AcerFC said:
'Steve Tasker said:
I am very-tentatively in for this.
Did anyone else look for tickets? I went on and the cheapest was $150. I dont know if that is just for the presale or I missed something. I cant really be spending 150 on a game right now. Plus all my normal people I go with cant make it that day
soudns about rightmy dad was able to find some for 138 but i deleted the email
That's a shame....I know my friends won't be in at that price.
Can you imagine what a Copa America game is going to cost if the US does host in 2016? Yikes. :(
 
Garber announced yesterday that Montreal is on pace to have 58,000 in attendance for their first ever MLS home opener.

 
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'The Doctor said:
'AcerFC said:
'Steve Tasker said:
I am very-tentatively in for this.
Did anyone else look for tickets? I went on and the cheapest was $150. I dont know if that is just for the presale or I missed something. I cant really be spending 150 on a game right now. Plus all my normal people I go with cant make it that day
soudns about rightmy dad was able to find some for 138 but i deleted the email
That's a shame....I know my friends won't be in at that price.
Can you imagine what a Copa America game is going to cost if the US does host in 2016? Yikes. :(
What? Why would we host Copa America and isn't it in odd years?
 
'The Doctor said:
'AcerFC said:
'Steve Tasker said:
I am very-tentatively in for this.
Did anyone else look for tickets? I went on and the cheapest was $150. I dont know if that is just for the presale or I missed something. I cant really be spending 150 on a game right now. Plus all my normal people I go with cant make it that day
soudns about rightmy dad was able to find some for 138 but i deleted the email
That's a shame....I know my friends won't be in at that price.
Can you imagine what a Copa America game is going to cost if the US does host in 2016? Yikes. :(
What? Why would we host Copa America and isn't it in odd years?
You may have missed it when the story was mentioned earlier in the thread. 2016 is going to be the 100th anniversary for the Copa America and there is rumor saying that it will be a special 16 team tournament combining South America and CONCACAF, with the chance of the US hosting it (all just rumors of course).See the link below for the first blurb about it. More has come out since that time including an interview with the president of CONCACAF, also posted in the thread.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=305522&view=findpost&p=14061144
 
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Here is the US roster for the game in Italy on the 29th

U.S. ROSTER BY POSITION - DETAILED ROSTER

GOALKEEPERS (3) : Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Tim Howard (Everton), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)

DEFENDERS (7) : Carlos Bocanegra (Rangers), Geoff Cameron (Houston Dynamo), Timmy Chandler (Nürnberg), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjaelland), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City)

MIDFIELDERS (6) : Michael Bradley (Chievo Verona), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04), Jose Torres (Pachuca), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim)

FORWARDS (5) : Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Terrence Boyd (Borussia Dortmund), Edson Buddle (LA Galaxy), Clint Dempsey (Fulham), Landon Donovan (LA Galaxy)

Terrence Boyd is the new name in this group. Here is an article about him that mlssoccer.com ran this week

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/02/22/postcard-europe-terrence-boyd-definitely-usa

 
Here is the US roster for the game in Italy on the 29thU.S. ROSTER BY POSITION - DETAILED ROSTERGOALKEEPERS (3) : Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Tim Howard (Everton), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)DEFENDERS (7) : Carlos Bocanegra (Rangers), Geoff Cameron (Houston Dynamo), Timmy Chandler (Nürnberg), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjaelland), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City)MIDFIELDERS (6) : Michael Bradley (Chievo Verona), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04), Jose Torres (Pachuca), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim)FORWARDS (5) : Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Terrence Boyd (Borussia Dortmund), Edson Buddle (LA Galaxy), Clint Dempsey (Fulham), Landon Donovan (LA Galaxy) Terrence Boyd is the new name in this group. Here is an article about him that mlssoccer.com ran this weekhttp://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/02/22/postcard-europe-terrence-boyd-definitely-usa
What position has Spector been playing at Birmingham this season? I only ask because yet again we have a roster with no obvious choice for left back.
 
Here is the US roster for the game in Italy on the 29thU.S. ROSTER BY POSITION - DETAILED ROSTERGOALKEEPERS (3) : Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Tim Howard (Everton), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)DEFENDERS (7) : Carlos Bocanegra (Rangers), Geoff Cameron (Houston Dynamo), Timmy Chandler (Nürnberg), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjaelland), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City)MIDFIELDERS (6) : Michael Bradley (Chievo Verona), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04), Jose Torres (Pachuca), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim)FORWARDS (5) : Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Terrence Boyd (Borussia Dortmund), Edson Buddle (LA Galaxy), Clint Dempsey (Fulham), Landon Donovan (LA Galaxy) Terrence Boyd is the new name in this group. Here is an article about him that mlssoccer.com ran this weekhttp://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/02/22/postcard-europe-terrence-boyd-definitely-usa
What position has Spector been playing at Birmingham this season? I only ask because yet again we have a roster with no obvious choice for left back.
JK has said that Chandler has "earned" the LB spot. Still would have liked to have seen Lichaj. Boyd is really intriguing. Apperently killing it for Dortmund's reserves. A big physical guy who dominated the under 23 camp. Or as I like to call him, "the boot in Jozy's ###."
 
Cool little read, I think...

The £85 million team

Instead, for the purposes of argument, imagine our imaginary club had sufficient allure to tempt each of the players below to sign for us instead of their actual employers. The fees remain the same but the XI - after the idea of choosing Torres and ten free transfers was swiftly discounted - consists of:
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Here is the US roster for the game in Italy on the 29thU.S. ROSTER BY POSITION - DETAILED ROSTERGOALKEEPERS (3) : Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Tim Howard (Everton), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)DEFENDERS (7) : Carlos Bocanegra (Rangers), Geoff Cameron (Houston Dynamo), Timmy Chandler (Nürnberg), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjaelland), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City)MIDFIELDERS (6) : Michael Bradley (Chievo Verona), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04), Jose Torres (Pachuca), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim)FORWARDS (5) : Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Terrence Boyd (Borussia Dortmund), Edson Buddle (LA Galaxy), Clint Dempsey (Fulham), Landon Donovan (LA Galaxy) Terrence Boyd is the new name in this group. Here is an article about him that mlssoccer.com ran this weekhttp://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/02/22/postcard-europe-terrence-boyd-definitely-usa
What position has Spector been playing at Birmingham this season? I only ask because yet again we have a roster with no obvious choice for left back.
JK has said that Chandler has "earned" the LB spot. Still would have liked to have seen Lichaj. Boyd is really intriguing. Apperently killing it for Dortmund's reserves. A big physical guy who dominated the under 23 camp. Or as I like to call him, "the boot in Jozy's ###."
yikes about the "earning". I thought Chandler was no better at left back than every other body we have tried.I have never seen Boyd play but I am interested due to his size. From the sounds of it, he could be a very important part of the Olympic team.Will be interesting to see who takes Gooch's center spot. If he goes with a modified 4-3-3, I could take a swag at the following..........HowardCher Cameron Boca ChandlerJones....Bradley....Torres...Dempsey........Donovan...........JozyI am not a big fan of Torres but I think JK really likes him which is why I found a spot for him in the lineup.
 
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Cool little read, I think...

The £85 million team

February 23, 2012

By Norman Hubbard

Building a title-winning team often takes time and involves huge skill. It needs the ability to assemble a squad and to select the first 11, the organisational prowess to set a side up, and the coaching talent to improve footballers. It needs the tactical expertise to perm the right players and choose a suitable system. It requires the right personalities in the dressing room, an appropriate blend of youth and experience, with sufficient leaders but not too many egos. It can depend upon having the right personnel off the field, whether the chairman and chief executive or the scout and goalkeeping coach.

But for the purposes of this exercise, it only entails money and the facility to spend it well. The task is to construct a side capable of lifting the Premier League trophy. The complication - because the taskmaster is neither Sheikh Mansour nor Roman Abramovich - is that the 11 men to take the field must come in for a total amounting to no more than the £50 million Chelsea spent in making Fernando Torres the costliest player in the country. And, because this is a squad game nowadays, the rest of the 25-man squad must be brought in for no more than the £35 million Liverpool paid for the most expensive Englishman ever, Andy Carroll. The aim is to see how far excellent economy buys can take a team.

Rather than invented figures, and to try to make prices topical, it is compiled using the fees clubs paid in the last five transfer windows, from January 2010 onwards. As such, players bought before then are ineligible. So, too, are loanees and those who progressed through the youth ranks at their respective costs. So, whatever their value, Ryan Giggs, Micah Richards, Ledley King, Jack Wilshere, John Terry and Steven Gerrard are not available for selection.

Instead, for the purposes of argument, imagine our imaginary club had sufficient allure to tempt each of the players below to sign for us instead of their actual employers. The fees remain the same but the XI - after the idea of choosing Torres and ten free transfers was swiftly discounted - consists of:

Goalkeeper: Shay Given (Aston Villa, £3.5 million).

Defence: Danny Simpson (Newcastle, £750,000), Younes Kaboul (Tottenham, £5 million), Laurent Koscielny (Arsenal, £9.7 million), Jose Enrique (Liverpool, £6 million).

Midfield: Rafael van der Vaart (Tottenham, £8 million), Scott Parker (Tottenham, £5.5 million), Yohan Cabaye (Newcastle, £4.3 million), Craig Bellamy (Liverpool, free).

Attack: Demba Ba (Newcastle, free), Javier Hernandez (Manchester United, £6.9 million).

Total cost: £49.65 million.

And the rest of the squad, acquired for £33.15 million:

Goalkeepers: Michel Vorm (Swansea, £1.5 million), Brad Friedel (Tottenham, free).

Defenders: Steven Reid (West Bromwich Albion, free), Gary Cahill (Chelsea, £7 million), William Gallas (Tottenham, free), John O'Shea (Sunderland, £4 million).

Midfielders: Sebastian Larsson (Sunderland, free), Cheik Tiote (Newcastle, £4.4 million), Leon Britton (Swansea, £400,000), Adam Johnson (Manchester City, £8 million), James McClean (Sunderland, £350,000).

Strikers: Louis Saha (Tottenham, free), Peter Odemwingie (West Brom, £1.5 million), Stephane Sessegnon (Sunderland, £6 million).

REFLECTIONS

It is another way of illustrating that Tottenham and Newcastle, who supply ten of our 25-man squad, have bought brilliantly in recent years and that Liverpool's cheaper acquisitions have been their best. As each of our outfield starters, and 16 players in total, come from the top seven clubs, £85 million can go a long way if spent well.

As the figures show, no player cost over £10 million. This is one of the things that separates our side from City's and, much as an attempt was made to squeeze David Silva in, he would have eaten up almost half the budget for the side. It means that young players, whose potential can often inflate their transfer fee, and English footballers, often overvalued in the transfer market, are conspicuous by their absence. Instead, we have a contingent of cheaper, older players; in some cases, their injury record brought their price down.

Emphasising the positives, getting three fine goalkeepers for a combined cost of £5 million gives enviable options at the back and freed up funds for other departments. In addition, the central midfield should be excellent. If Tiote cannot get in a team - and there is a case for reuniting him with Cabaye, possibly alongside Parker in a trio - it is a sign of strength.

Furthermore, this is a side, and indeed a squad, overflowing with potential goalscorers. The lack of too many out-and-out wingers who have arrived for reasonable prices and excelled in the last couple of years mean the men chosen on either flank, Bellamy and Van der Vaart, can both adopt central attacking roles. Indeed, the Dutchman's habit of drifting infield could make Simpson a one-man right flank, which is a worry.

It is one of the reasons a sizeable chunk of the squad budget was used on Johnson, whose proven record as an impact substitute gives him added appeal. Furthermore, Stephane Sessegnon adds an element of the unpredictable and may be another game-changer. So could Louis Saha, picked ahead of the more prolific Yakubu. Many of the other cheaper additions to the squad were compromise choices and might not expect to see much first-team football.

On the debit side, however, this is not a stellar defence. Left-back Enrique may be the division's best in his position, but the same cannot be said for anyone else in the back four. Kaboul and Koscielny are at least improving but Gallas may be in decline and, error-prone at Bolton and unappreciated by Andre Villas-Boas, Cahill has had a torrid season. There was a case for picking the costlier Chris Smalling or Phil Jones, but either would have required Nemanja Vidic alongside him anyway and, unlike Sir Alex Ferguson, potential is not a factor in our purchases. So this highlights the fact that the Premier League's leading centre-backs have tended to stay at the same club for years, ruling most out of the reckoning for our side.

VERDICT

Is this a title-winning team? Almost certainly not. The very top players tend to command hefty fees and, to name but three, there is no Silva, Yaya Toure or Sergio Aguero. Successful sides often tend to build from the back, too, and despite the protection the central-midfield tacklers might supply, this is unlikely to be a watertight defence. But with the right manager and if the players gelled, Champions League football could be secured. Our £85 million has acquired more strength in depth than the current contenders for fourth. Getting higher might require spending Torres-esque sums of money on one or two players. Although, of course, not Torres himself.
That team has a 6-8th place finish written all over it. Lucky to make Europa.
 
Any idea on whether the US will field a full strength A-side to face Brazil? What about the Brazil / Argie game? Will thye bring their A-list players, or at least a majority of them?

 
Any idea on whether the US will field a full strength A-side to face Brazil? What about the Brazil / Argie game? Will thye bring their A-list players, or at least a majority of them?
Brazil Argie will field near full strength sides. Part of the deal with the promoters is that they bring the A sides.As for the US, MLS has very few games scheduled in that time frame, between late May and early June (likely due to WCQing starting).I assume May 30th is late enough that all of the Euro based players would be available as well. Since the Brazil game will be the ultimate warm up game for the two US qualifiers which will occur about a week later (June 8th and June 12th), I think it is safe to say that JK will want to put his best side out.
 
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For people who enjoy keeping any eye out for emerging US talent, if you see a Revs game at all this year, watch for Kelyn Rowe.

He was the 3rd pick in the draft this year and has looked great in preseason.

He is a 20 year old skillful midfielder out of UCLA and because he was picked by the Revs he is pretty much a lock for a TON of minutes, which is exactly what he needs at this stage of his career.

He has played for the both the US U18's and U20's, scoring 3 times in 6 games for the U20's.

In 4 preseason matches, he has had a goal or assist in every game so far.

 
My Atleti host Barça this WE. Barça needs 3 to stay close, but Atlético have been solid lately, letting in oly 1 league goal in their last 7 games. They just beat Lazio today at home and will put out an in form side that Simeone has working really well together. Should be a great game.

 
My Atleti host Barça this WE. Barça needs 3 to stay close, but Atlético have been solid lately, letting in oly 1 league goal in their last 7 games. They just beat Lazio today at home and will put out an in form side that Simeone has working really well together. Should be a great game.
I agree that it should be a good game, but Barca doesn't need 3 to stay close. The Merengues aren't coughing up a 10 point lead this year unless the team bus takes a wrong turn and crashes in El Chorro Gorge. The loss to Osasuna was a killer for Barcelona's hopes in La Liga.
 
Boyd is really intriguing. Apperently killing it for Dortmund's reserves. A big physical guy who dominated the under 23 camp. Or as I like to call him, "the boot in Jozy's ###."
I just read that Porter actually called up Boyd for the U23 game against Mexico which is also being played on Feb 29th. It is very interesting that JK usurped that call up especially when it is likely Boyd would have started for the U23's and he is likely to sit for the full nats.I also think this was one of the last friendlies the U23's had before Olympic qualifying starts in March.Not sure I understand what is going on here unless JK plans to play him against Italy, maybe as a second half sub.
 
Boyd is really intriguing. Apperently killing it for Dortmund's reserves. A big physical guy who dominated the under 23 camp. Or as I like to call him, "the boot in Jozy's ###."
I just read that Porter actually called up Boyd for the U23 game against Mexico which is also being played on Feb 29th. It is very interesting that JK usurped that call up especially when it is likely Boyd would have started for the U23's and he is likely to sit for the full nats.I also think this was one of the last friendlies the U23's had before Olympic qualifying starts in March.Not sure I understand what is going on here unless JK plans to play him against Italy, maybe as a second half sub.
:shrug: maybe Dortmund had a say in it? I'm sure they'd prefer him, if called up, to stay in Europe rather than cross the Atlantic
 
Boyd is really intriguing. Apperently killing it for Dortmund's reserves. A big physical guy who dominated the under 23 camp. Or as I like to call him, "the boot in Jozy's ###."
I just read that Porter actually called up Boyd for the U23 game against Mexico which is also being played on Feb 29th. It is very interesting that JK usurped that call up especially when it is likely Boyd would have started for the U23's and he is likely to sit for the full nats.I also think this was one of the last friendlies the U23's had before Olympic qualifying starts in March.Not sure I understand what is going on here unless JK plans to play him against Italy, maybe as a second half sub.
:shrug: maybe Dortmund had a say in it? I'm sure they'd prefer him, if called up, to stay in Europe rather than cross the Atlantic
That is as good a guess as any I suppose.
 
Jozy's team AZ Alkmaar advanced in the Europa today knocking out Sacha's Anderlecht. Jozy drew a yellow card from Sacha in the game today.

No other Americans played in Europa today as Jones, Cher and Gooch were all out of action but their teams all advanced today.

Shame about Gooch getting hurt as his team is matched up against Man City in the next round.

 
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My Atleti host Barça this WE. Barça needs 3 to stay close, but Atlético have been solid lately, letting in oly 1 league goal in their last 7 games. They just beat Lazio today at home and will put out an in form side that Simeone has working really well together. Should be a great game.
I agree that it should be a good game, but Barca doesn't need 3 to stay close. The Merengues aren't coughing up a 10 point lead this year unless the team bus takes a wrong turn and crashes in El Chorro Gorge. The loss to Osasuna was a killer for Barcelona's hopes in La Liga.
Yeah, it's hard to imagine. Even assuming that Barca beats RM at home, they'd still have to make up 7 points on a team that's only dropped 5 points in non-Barca games. I think they would have to probably win every remaining game to pull it off.
 
My Atleti host Barça this WE. Barça needs 3 to stay close, but Atlético have been solid lately, letting in oly 1 league goal in their last 7 games. They just beat Lazio today at home and will put out an in form side that Simeone has working really well together. Should be a great game.
I agree that it should be a good game, but Barca doesn't need 3 to stay close. The Merengues aren't coughing up a 10 point lead this year unless the team bus takes a wrong turn and crashes in El Chorro Gorge. The loss to Osasuna was a killer for Barcelona's hopes in La Liga.
Yeah, it's hard to imagine. Even assuming that Barca beats RM at home, they'd still have to make up 7 points on a team that's only dropped 5 points in non-Barca games. I think they would have to probably win every remaining game to pull it off.
Real did something similar to overtake Barca down the stretch about 5 years ago, it could happen. I don't think it will happen because Barcelona just does not have the depth to handle all of these injuries. The youth squad players are getting some great experience though; players like Cuenca have a bright future.I'll settle for CL and Copa del Rey double. ;)
 
Vague, unidentified sources in the Twitterverse reporting that Arshavin will be loaned to Zenit for the rest of the season, with Zenit intending to bring him in permanently during the summer. There were talks last month but they couldn't meet on a transfer fee for a permanent move.

Russian loan transfer window closes at the end of day today.

 
Vague, unidentified sources in the Twitterverse reporting that Arshavin will be loaned to Zenit for the rest of the season, with Zenit intending to bring him in permanently during the summer. There were talks last month but they couldn't meet on a transfer fee for a permanent move.

Russian loan transfer window closes at the end of day today.
It can't be that vague, it was on Sky Sports last night.It's also possible that Samba goes to a Russian team on loan. I can't recall which team though. That would be a pretty big blow to Blackburn. Why they were so determined to hold onto him I really don't understand. Now they aren't going to have him for the season (even if he stays he clearly isn't going to be a reliable player) and they will have to sell at a cut rate when they get relegated. They should have just sold him in the last transfer window where they could have gotten a premium.

 
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'Slapdash said:
My Atleti host Barça this WE. Barça needs 3 to stay close, but Atlético have been solid lately, letting in oly 1 league goal in their last 7 games. They just beat Lazio today at home and will put out an in form side that Simeone has working really well together. Should be a great game.
I agree that it should be a good game, but Barca doesn't need 3 to stay close. The Merengues aren't coughing up a 10 point lead this year unless the team bus takes a wrong turn and crashes in El Chorro Gorge. The loss to Osasuna was a killer for Barcelona's hopes in La Liga.
Yeah, it's hard to imagine. Even assuming that Barca beats RM at home, they'd still have to make up 7 points on a team that's only dropped 5 points in non-Barca games. I think they would have to probably win every remaining game to pull it off.
Real did something similar to overtake Barca down the stretch about 5 years ago, it could happen. I don't think it will happen because Barcelona just does not have the depth to handle all of these injuries. The youth squad players are getting some great experience though; players like Cuenca have a bright future.I'll settle for CL and Copa del Rey double. ;)
Yeah, I could live with that. Maybe the RM goal-machine will be slowed by Di Maria and Benzema's injuries.Tello and Cuenca both look great. I don't know how Neymar's going to crack the starting XI in a few years. :thumbup:
 
Vague, unidentified sources in the Twitterverse reporting that Arshavin will be loaned to Zenit for the rest of the season, with Zenit intending to bring him in permanently during the summer. There were talks last month but they couldn't meet on a transfer fee for a permanent move.

Russian loan transfer window closes at the end of day today.
It can't be that vague, it was on Sky Sports last night.It's also possible that Samba goes to a Russian team on loan. I can't recall which team though. That would be a pretty big blow to Blackburn. Why they were so determined to hold onto him I really don't understand. Now they aren't going to have him for the season (even if he stays he clearly isn't going to be a reliable player) and they will have to sell at a cut rate when they get relegated. They should have just sold him in the last transfer window where they could have gotten a premium.
Sky Sports just reported the tentative loan 56 minutes ago, apparently. :shrug: There were a bunch of Twitter posts like "my sources tell me...." Today is the first confirmation I've heard of it.Edit to add link - link

 
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'Slapdash said:
My Atleti host Barça this WE. Barça needs 3 to stay close, but Atlético have been solid lately, letting in oly 1 league goal in their last 7 games. They just beat Lazio today at home and will put out an in form side that Simeone has working really well together. Should be a great game.
I agree that it should be a good game, but Barca doesn't need 3 to stay close. The Merengues aren't coughing up a 10 point lead this year unless the team bus takes a wrong turn and crashes in El Chorro Gorge. The loss to Osasuna was a killer for Barcelona's hopes in La Liga.
Yeah, it's hard to imagine. Even assuming that Barca beats RM at home, they'd still have to make up 7 points on a team that's only dropped 5 points in non-Barca games. I think they would have to probably win every remaining game to pull it off.
Real did something similar to overtake Barca down the stretch about 5 years ago, it could happen. I don't think it will happen because Barcelona just does not have the depth to handle all of these injuries. The youth squad players are getting some great experience though; players like Cuenca have a bright future.I'll settle for CL and Copa del Rey double. ;)
I hope they fail hard this year. Starting on Sunday.Also, Fernando Torres just got left off the Spanish roster for their upcoming friendly against Venezuela. Uf. Del Bosque brought in Iker Muniain (20 y.o., plays for Athletic) and Roberto Soldado (Valencia) as strikers.
 
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