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Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Damn.
Been following soccer closely for 3 years and that's the first time I've felt any real disappointment over the result of a club game. Bayern's become one of my favorites and I really wanted them to win the title at home.
Been following soccer closely for 3 years and that's the first time I've felt any real disappointment over the result of a club game. Bayern's become one of my favorites and I really wanted them to win the title at home.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
He'll get bank elsewhere...maybe Liverpool?They were talking after the game about how Chelsea STILL may not give him the permanent job. What the #### else does he have to do for you wankers?happy for Di Mateo.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Even if Abramovich thought DiMatteo would be an absolute disaster as permanent coach, he should still give him the job just as a reward for finally delivering him a CL title.He'll get bank elsewhere...maybe Liverpool?They were talking after the game about how Chelsea STILL may not give him the permanent job. What the #### else does he have to do for you wankers?happy for Di Mateo.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
One other small difference was when Baggio missed, game was over, when Schwein missed, Chelsea still had to score to winYou took that a little too literally. I'm talking about how they both choked in gigantic penalty kicks.But I'm sure the wind speed was different in 1994, too.Baggio put it way over the top, Schweini hits the post. A bit different.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Well... whatever.
Chelsea did a great job blocking shots... so that was good, I guess. Robben and Gomez did a great job missing shots, so that was... soemthing.
THought Schweinstager had a great game- pity about the miss.
Thought Matta was horrible- totally surprised they had him go first... he took his PK the way he played. Expected Lamps to start things off- also thought he had a solid game... and Cole. David Luiz- not good, and should've been carded earlier for repeated thuggery.
I guess the game had it's moments, with the late goals, missed PK, PKs and Drogba.
But what a dreary affair.
Chelsea did a great job blocking shots... so that was good, I guess. Robben and Gomez did a great job missing shots, so that was... soemthing.
THought Schweinstager had a great game- pity about the miss.
Thought Matta was horrible- totally surprised they had him go first... he took his PK the way he played. Expected Lamps to start things off- also thought he had a solid game... and Cole. David Luiz- not good, and should've been carded earlier for repeated thuggery.
I guess the game had it's moments, with the late goals, missed PK, PKs and Drogba.
But what a dreary affair.
How does a wild card team win a Super Bowl?
El Floppo
Footballguy
They won the FA cup too. Not exactly shabby.Teams in contention for the league start burning players out if they're far advanced in the Cups. c: Barca. Chelsea got players back and playing fantastic stuff at just the right time after a middling league season. I think they got a bump from the new skipper as well, which was also well-timed.Plus... it's a funny ol' game.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
And while it was a disappointing EPL season for them, they DID finish 6th.
Premier
Footballguy
Doesn't exactly seem apples to apples to me.
Premier
Footballguy
Thanks.
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
Imagine then if the NFL had a single elimination tournament where teams play on Wednesdays during the regular season. It would be possible for a team to be 3rd or 4th in their division while consistently winning on Wednesdays and advancing in the tournament. Theoretically the teams that are winning league games on Sunday should be winning on Wednesdays, but there's no guarantee.
Ursa M
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And, for good measure, the Wednesday tourney was made up of all-star teams as opposed to the run of the mill on Sundays.
Sebowski
Footballguy
It's a great analogy. The Giants finished the season, what, 10-12 in the NFL? Then they win a tournament of all the best teams. What's so different?
El Floppo
Footballguy
Subsequent vs concurrent competitions?
Sebowski
Footballguy
Native
Footballguy
Mjolnirs - great match man. You guys outplayed Chelsea jst about the entire match but the Drogba goal obviously changed everything, both from a personnel perspective and a momentum perspective. Bayern is very unlucky not to have won.Final stats from uefa.com
In all competitions Bayern finished 37-6-11 scoring 121-39 and came in 2nd in Bundesliga, DFB Pokal and Champions League.The year ofCode:Bayern - ChelseaShots 24 6Shots on goal 7 3Corners 20 1Offsides 1 2Fouls Committed 14 26Yellow Cards 1 4
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Hindsight is always 20/20. Immediately preceding the goal Meireles made a right side run. The defender broke It up and it could have easily been a free kick instead of a corner. It all might have ended differently.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Don't know If you guys saw it on your coverage but when Di Matteo went up the stairs and got close to Abramovich he shouted "I won it, I won it!" right in his face. 
There are many factors, but the most obvious two are that weird stuff happens and teams get hot. That's the same in any knockout competition.The most obvious difference is that the teams in the current CL qualified because of last year's results not this year's results. Of the 8 teams to reach the CL quarter finals only one won its domestic league this year.One of the things I don't like about the CL is the expanded format. It was much better back in the European Cup days when it really was a single elimination tournament of "champions."
NewlyRetired
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Some time today Klinsmann is expected to announce 13 more player for camp. I did not see any injuries in the latest rounds of games that might affect the choices but I may have overlooked something obvious.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I agree with all ofthis.But I still say that the NFL playoffs arent a great analogy to the CL, primarily because teams have to spread their focus around the various competitions in soccer and not dedicate themselves to the one playoff game in football.
El Floppo
Footballguy
was it you that posted or linked an LD quote saying he wasnt even sure if he was getting the call-up?
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
it was not me.That being said, Landon knows two things right now:1) He is kind of on JK's #### list for turning down every chance to play for him since he took over2) He current form is extremely average on a team that is under-performing in historic fashionStill, I would be surprised if he wasn't at least included in the final 29.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
He looked ok. Nice distribution but was caught in possession too many times for my liking. He played a slightly different position on the left of a three man front line. You can see his Opta chalk board herehttp://www.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2012-05-19-chv-v-la/chalkboard
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
that says it all9 games 9 losses. And yet they have played decent in the various cup competitions. They may even win the Canadian Championship next week. They are level 1-1 with Vancouver and second leg is in Toronto. Starting to feel very good about my dark horse DC United pick.
That factor is somewhat militated by the fact that there's no salary cap and the elite teams can hoard talent. Plus, all teams in the CL face that obstacle so I don't know that it's really much of a factor in a team like Chelsea winning the CL as opposed to a wild card team winning a SB.
The Z Machine
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How is it that Bayern have 20 corners and score on none, whilst Chelski get one in the 88th and Drogba puts it away?Final stats from uefa.com
In all competitions Bayern finished 37-6-11 scoring 121-39 and came in 2nd in Bundesliga, DFB Pokal and Champions League.The year ofCode:Bayern - ChelseaShots 24 6Shots on goal 7 3Corners 20 1Offsides 1 2Fouls Committed 14 26Yellow Cards 1 4
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Also, I had a dream about Landon Donovan last night. We ere lounging at his house, talking about soccer. He was thinking he'd go back to working in real estate instead of continuing his soccer career. I told him that as the best player to ever pull on the national team jersey, that he still had a few good games left.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Michael Parkhurst has been an integral part of relative no name team Nordsjaelland from Denmark playing all positions across the back line.
They are in first right now and only one win away from making it directly into the group stage of the Champions League. Very impressive for such a small side (their stadium only holds 10k) and they have never finished higher than 3rd in the top division in Denmark.
They are in first right now and only one win away from making it directly into the group stage of the Champions League. Very impressive for such a small side (their stadium only holds 10k) and they have never finished higher than 3rd in the top division in Denmark.
Sebowski
Footballguy
The nature of a tournament mode is the same. The Giants didn't even get that "hot". They also benefitted from getting teams at the right times, and a lot of plain ol luck. The Packers mailed that game in. If That 49ers punt returner doesn't fumble TWICE they're out. The Giants could have easily played the Bills in between playoff games and lost. Ok, maybe not the Bills, but you get the point. Tournament play allows for an Any Given Sunday effect to take over.'El Floppo said:
A question that will haunt Munich fans for a while.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Me too. I was fairly neutral on Chelsea up to this point, but after the way they played vs Barca and Bayern I can't think of a less deserving champion.They were either completely outclassed or playing for PKs from the kickoff and only bothered to try and score after they went down 1-0.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Klinsmann added 11 players today. Final 23 will be named on the 25th. Here is the complete camp roster with the * being players named today. A couple of surprises.
Keeper: Howard, Guzan, Rimando
Defenders: Bocanegra, Cameron*, Castillo, Cherundolo, Goodson*, Morales, Gooch*, Parkhurst*
Midfielders: Beckerman, Bradley, Corona, Dempsey, Edu, Johnson, Jones, Torres, Williams, Zusi*
Forwards: Agudelo*, Altidore*, Boyd*, Donovan*, Gomez*, Wondolowski*
Note: The positions are what US Soccer listed them at.
Keeper: Howard, Guzan, Rimando
Defenders: Bocanegra, Cameron*, Castillo, Cherundolo, Goodson*, Morales, Gooch*, Parkhurst*
Midfielders: Beckerman, Bradley, Corona, Dempsey, Edu, Johnson, Jones, Torres, Williams, Zusi*
Forwards: Agudelo*, Altidore*, Boyd*, Donovan*, Gomez*, Wondolowski*
Note: The positions are what US Soccer listed them at.
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Agudelo and Zusi were surprises for me. It would not surprise me if they were going to be 2 of the 4 cuts on the 25th.Parkhurst is obviously interesting since he will still be with his club team until after Klinsmann picks the final 23.
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Sebowski
Footballguy
Ditto Ricardo Clark.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Very. And with Johnson continuing to be listed as a midfielder, it makes me feel like it will be Castillo at left back.Other smaller surprises is no DMB, Ream, Shea or Sacha.The US is loaded right now with marginal talent which makes so many of these choices toss ups.
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
With no Lichaj, Parkhurst's versatility to play anywhere along the back may improve his chances of making the final 23.
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