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Would love to see it, but it almost seems too good to be true...recouping about 15m for Carroll seems like a no-brainer.
Given the rhetoric and public nature of this move, I doubt very highly that loss of TV revenue will affect Ranger's placement at this point.This is one of the most jaw-dropping things I've seen in soccer in my life. It's one thing for a top team to get relegated (ala River Plate), punished (Juve) or moved/disbanded (Wimbledon) but quite another for the team in a league to have to start all over at the bottom. it would be like the Yankees getting sent to single A... although- that's not such a terrible idea.
unless I missed something, I think all three American's are still "with" Rangers (Boca, Edu, and Bedoya)
Fixed
thought I read somewhere that of the three, Bedoya was the only committed to coming back. same article linked Edu somewhere and Boca with a few options.
Thanks!And you are correct.
I don't doubt they have been linked, but nothing official yet from anything I have read. I posted an interview with Boca from this past Saturday and he basically said that he is keeping all options open, including going back to talk to Rangers to see what was up. Let me see if I can find it for you, it was a short 4 minute video...........Ok here it ishttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=305522&view=findpost&p=14524891
I realize I'm biased, and probably a little bit crazy, but I actually don't think this would be half bad (provided Dempsey comes over, of course):Liverpool 4-3-2-1Thanks!And you are correct.
I actually saw him play a couple of games with the U17's I think last year.Sadly I do not remember much more than his name.One of his team mates, Kellyn Acosta, was just signed by FC Dallas as a home grown player. If memory serves, the best player on that U17 team was Junior Flores
I'll roll with who is here as of now;'SmoovySmoov said:I realize I'm biased, and probably a little bit crazy, but I actually don't think this would be half bad (provided Dempsey comes over, of course):Liverpool 4-3-2-1'SmoovySmoov said:Thanks!And you are correct.'The Gator said:http://www.footballuser.com/'SmoovySmoov said:
Trying to see what Borini and Suarez look like up top together?
A GB is right now buying a ticket for me for the Milan v RM game at Yankee stadium. I'm considering going to the Chelsea v PSG game as well.
Not to be a ####, but god I hope that game is meaningless. Not sure my heart can take the last game of the round meaning something for US.
LOL... yeah I hear ya. I hope it is meaningless as well. I have not seen the men's team play live in a long time. This was the most convenient site for my wife and I to make to a qualifier. So, we bought tickets.
Even if the game is meaningless (fingers crossed) it will still be more than worth just to check out Livestrong.
Damn straight. I have not had the chance to go but everyone I have talked to that has been inside says its just gorgeous. They litterally spared no expense. Bocanegra visited it this past weekend and said it compares to the very best in Europe for the total package (locker rooms etc)
So is this Rangers club totally new?
Depends on your point of view. They will keep their colors and play in the same stadium.
Not specifically but don't read into that too much. These people I am reading are knowledgeable but no one knows exactly what is going on yet. I am sure there is a boat load of negotiations going on with various carriers.
wtf.without knowing anything about it- it does seem like Richards can have a bad attitude on the field, especially if things aren't going his way. extrapoloate that to a bad attitude off the field, and maybe they were trying to get rid of a bad apple?
I understand what you're saying- but none of that makes any sense to me.They will keep their colors and their fans and their stadium... but shhhhhhhhh- their past must be stricken from your memory. Kinda like the trial attorney who makes a comment that's overruled and supposed to be erased from the court records and "ignored" by the jury- except times 100+ years.
Have you gotten to watch EJ play on tv yet? Other than highlights?
Here's to hoping that my selection of a Spanish language pack pays off. I hope I can get GolTV AND Beln Sport. Win-win if that happens.
It does seem a little silly. If they are liquidating the club, they should liquidate it and not allow it to exist in any manner whatsoever in the future. The name, the records and the uniform should be banished to the history books. But if they are reorganizing it financially, they should reorganize it and allow it to continue as is with the only punishment being demotion.I understand what you're saying- but none of that makes any sense to me.They will keep their colors and their fans and their stadium... but shhhhhhhhh- their past must be stricken from your memory. Kinda like the trial attorney who makes a comment that's overruled and supposed to be erased from the court records and "ignored" by the jury- except times 100+ years.
It really is baffling. The way they are doing it will hurt the league as much as it hurts "Rangers". Not having their history is a huge blow. Then to have a team with the same name in the same jersey in the same stadium playing is just silly.It does seem a little silly. If they are liquidating the club, they should liquidate it and not allow it to exist in any manner whatsoever in the future. The name, the records and the uniform should be banished to the history books. But if they are reorganizing it financially, they should reorganize it and allow it to continue as is with the only punishment being demotion.I understand what you're saying- but none of that makes any sense to me.They will keep their colors and their fans and their stadium... but shhhhhhhhh- their past must be stricken from your memory. Kinda like the trial attorney who makes a comment that's overruled and supposed to be erased from the court records and "ignored" by the jury- except times 100+ years.
I don't see what kind of blow this is. HOnestly. Is the entire world supposed to get hypnotized into forgetting about Rangers' history? Will they be stricken from the infowebz?It really is baffling. The way they are doing it will hurt the league as much as it hurts "Rangers". Not having their history is a huge blow. Then to have a team with the same name in the same jersey in the same stadium playing is just silly.It does seem a little silly. If they are liquidating the club, they should liquidate it and not allow it to exist in any manner whatsoever in the future. The name, the records and the uniform should be banished to the history books. But if they are reorganizing it financially, they should reorganize it and allow it to continue as is with the only punishment being demotion.I understand what you're saying- but none of that makes any sense to me.They will keep their colors and their fans and their stadium... but shhhhhhhhh- their past must be stricken from your memory. Kinda like the trial attorney who makes a comment that's overruled and supposed to be erased from the court records and "ignored" by the jury- except times 100+ years.
:moveshandlefttoright:Those are NOT the trophies your club won.I don't see what kind of blow this is. HOnestly. Is the entire world supposed to get hypnotized into forgetting about Rangers' history? Will they be stricken from the infowebz?It really is baffling. The way they are doing it will hurt the league as much as it hurts "Rangers". Not having their history is a huge blow. Then to have a team with the same name in the same jersey in the same stadium playing is just silly.It does seem a little silly. If they are liquidating the club, they should liquidate it and not allow it to exist in any manner whatsoever in the future. The name, the records and the uniform should be banished to the history books. But if they are reorganizing it financially, they should reorganize it and allow it to continue as is with the only punishment being demotion.I understand what you're saying- but none of that makes any sense to me.They will keep their colors and their fans and their stadium... but shhhhhhhhh- their past must be stricken from your memory. Kinda like the trial attorney who makes a comment that's overruled and supposed to be erased from the court records and "ignored" by the jury- except times 100+ years.
Maybe I'm overestimating what they did. The rivalry with Celtic is obviously gone until they make it back up to first division. AT that point do you think it will be the same? I'm guessing it will be more like a Steelers/Browns situation where the Steelers have moved on, and the Browns( Rangers) still try to pretend like it's the same thing. Also, I assume there have been banners and trophies displayed and those would come down leaving only a ####load of Celtic banners and nothing else.I don't see what kind of blow this is. HOnestly. Is the entire world supposed to get hypnotized into forgetting about Rangers' history? Will they be stricken from the infowebz?It really is baffling. The way they are doing it will hurt the league as much as it hurts "Rangers". Not having their history is a huge blow. Then to have a team with the same name in the same jersey in the same stadium playing is just silly.It does seem a little silly. If they are liquidating the club, they should liquidate it and not allow it to exist in any manner whatsoever in the future. The name, the records and the uniform should be banished to the history books. But if they are reorganizing it financially, they should reorganize it and allow it to continue as is with the only punishment being demotion.I understand what you're saying- but none of that makes any sense to me.They will keep their colors and their fans and their stadium... but shhhhhhhhh- their past must be stricken from your memory. Kinda like the trial attorney who makes a comment that's overruled and supposed to be erased from the court records and "ignored" by the jury- except times 100+ years.
There are only so many things the Scottish FA can do here. There needs to be another team in Glasgow for soccer to survive in the "country", but they also have to punish the organization for their financial misdeeds if only to discourage others from trying the same. Replace "Rangers" with "Penn State" and you'll see how difficult this is.I know the circumstances are different (and people are sick of my blathering about WFC) but it was a huge deal when MK was stripped of their history and Wimbledon's trophies were returned to Merton.I don't see what kind of blow this is. HOnestly. Is the entire world supposed to get hypnotized into forgetting about Rangers' history? Will they be stricken from the infowebz?It really is baffling. The way they are doing it will hurt the league as much as it hurts "Rangers". Not having their history is a huge blow. Then to have a team with the same name in the same jersey in the same stadium playing is just silly.It does seem a little silly. If they are liquidating the club, they should liquidate it and not allow it to exist in any manner whatsoever in the future. The name, the records and the uniform should be banished to the history books. But if they are reorganizing it financially, they should reorganize it and allow it to continue as is with the only punishment being demotion.I understand what you're saying- but none of that makes any sense to me.They will keep their colors and their fans and their stadium... but shhhhhhhhh- their past must be stricken from your memory. Kinda like the trial attorney who makes a comment that's overruled and supposed to be erased from the court records and "ignored" by the jury- except times 100+ years.
Absolutely not. Fascinating story.There are only so many things the Scottish FA can do here. There needs to be another team in Glasgow for soccer to survive in the "country", but they also have to punish the organization for their financial misdeeds if only to discourage others from trying the same. Replace "Rangers" with "Penn State" and you'll see how difficult this is.I know the circumstances are different (and people are sick of my blathering about WFC) but it was a huge deal when MK was stripped of their history and Wimbledon's trophies were returned to Merton.I don't see what kind of blow this is. HOnestly. Is the entire world supposed to get hypnotized into forgetting about Rangers' history? Will they be stricken from the infowebz?It really is baffling. The way they are doing it will hurt the league as much as it hurts "Rangers". Not having their history is a huge blow. Then to have a team with the same name in the same jersey in the same stadium playing is just silly.It does seem a little silly. If they are liquidating the club, they should liquidate it and not allow it to exist in any manner whatsoever in the future. The name, the records and the uniform should be banished to the history books. But if they are reorganizing it financially, they should reorganize it and allow it to continue as is with the only punishment being demotion.I understand what you're saying- but none of that makes any sense to me.They will keep their colors and their fans and their stadium... but shhhhhhhhh- their past must be stricken from your memory. Kinda like the trial attorney who makes a comment that's overruled and supposed to be erased from the court records and "ignored" by the jury- except times 100+ years.
yes, I have watched 3 of his last 4 games in full(one was against the Revs I got on local tv, one was a national TV game and one(US Open Cup semi) I watched on stream.)That is why I have been posting so much about him. Read here for my first post when you were on vacationhttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=305522&view=findpost&p=14522243
To be more clear, I can't figure this out from the NY side of things.It appears to be a slam dunk for Vancouver.Vancouver has a young stud striker in Darren Mattocks who is lighting the league up since he came back from injury in his rookie season. (side note, I am not looking forward to the US playing against him for Jamaica) which made LeToux expendable and they needed a wing player. Getting allocation money back makes the trade even better.I am going to be interested to see how NY lines up tomorrow with LeToux, Henry (assuming he is healthy) and Cooper.
In a way, yes.When you look up even something as simple as a wiki page on the new team, everything starts from 2012. There is no history to show.
To be clear- my only question is over what stripping Rangers' history does. It's like Wilt Chamberlain deciding he's a virgin and the rest of the world saying- oh... yeah... ok- NOW you're a virgin. gotcha. fine.The rest of what you're talking about is pretty straight forward.Maybe I'm overestimating what they did. The rivalry with Celtic is obviously gone until they make it back up to first division. AT that point do you think it will be the same? I'm guessing it will be more like a Steelers/Browns situation where the Steelers have moved on, and the Browns( Rangers) still try to pretend like it's the same thing. Also, I assume there have been banners and trophies displayed and those would come down leaving only a ####load of Celtic banners and nothing else.I don't see what kind of blow this is. HOnestly. Is the entire world supposed to get hypnotized into forgetting about Rangers' history? Will they be stricken from the infowebz?It really is baffling. The way they are doing it will hurt the league as much as it hurts "Rangers". Not having their history is a huge blow. Then to have a team with the same name in the same jersey in the same stadium playing is just silly.It does seem a little silly. If they are liquidating the club, they should liquidate it and not allow it to exist in any manner whatsoever in the future. The name, the records and the uniform should be banished to the history books. But if they are reorganizing it financially, they should reorganize it and allow it to continue as is with the only punishment being demotion.I understand what you're saying- but none of that makes any sense to me.They will keep their colors and their fans and their stadium... but shhhhhhhhh- their past must be stricken from your memory. Kinda like the trial attorney who makes a comment that's overruled and supposed to be erased from the court records and "ignored" by the jury- except times 100+ years.
Lastly, $$$. Rangers brought in a ton of money to the league. Attendance, TV, Merchandise will all take a huge hit. Relegation would cause a hit as well, but I think these sanctions will make it bigger. I think they soured a bunch of Rangers fans in this process, and even watered down the hatred from Rangers rivals.
My guess is that the scenario you presented is 75% or more likely to happen for DirectTV
read my previous post about this topic (just above this one). See if that makes any sense. it may not, because I think one needs to be ingrained with a team for decades to really appreciate what losing the history means.To localize it for myself on a team I have a long history with, it would like be going to a newco Boston Celtics team and not see any championship banners, any retired numbers or anything in the arena that ties to the past.To be clear- my only question is over what stripping Rangers' history does. It's like Wilt Chamberlain deciding he's a virgin and the rest of the world saying- oh... yeah... ok- NOW you're a virgin. gotcha. fine.The rest of what you're talking about is pretty straight forward.Maybe I'm overestimating what they did. The rivalry with Celtic is obviously gone until they make it back up to first division. AT that point do you think it will be the same? I'm guessing it will be more like a Steelers/Browns situation where the Steelers have moved on, and the Browns( Rangers) still try to pretend like it's the same thing. Also, I assume there have been banners and trophies displayed and those would come down leaving only a ####load of Celtic banners and nothing else.I don't see what kind of blow this is. HOnestly. Is the entire world supposed to get hypnotized into forgetting about Rangers' history? Will they be stricken from the infowebz?It really is baffling. The way they are doing it will hurt the league as much as it hurts "Rangers". Not having their history is a huge blow. Then to have a team with the same name in the same jersey in the same stadium playing is just silly.It does seem a little silly. If they are liquidating the club, they should liquidate it and not allow it to exist in any manner whatsoever in the future. The name, the records and the uniform should be banished to the history books. But if they are reorganizing it financially, they should reorganize it and allow it to continue as is with the only punishment being demotion.I understand what you're saying- but none of that makes any sense to me.They will keep their colors and their fans and their stadium... but shhhhhhhhh- their past must be stricken from your memory. Kinda like the trial attorney who makes a comment that's overruled and supposed to be erased from the court records and "ignored" by the jury- except times 100+ years.
Lastly, $$$. Rangers brought in a ton of money to the league. Attendance, TV, Merchandise will all take a huge hit. Relegation would cause a hit as well, but I think these sanctions will make it bigger. I think they soured a bunch of Rangers fans in this process, and even watered down the hatred from Rangers rivals.
Oh alright... as long as we all decide to play along and forget. And someday, yeah- I can see people looking at Rangers and not thinking about the last century plus.But re: Browns and Quakes... they both moved (or were uprooted) to totally different cities with different fan bases. Rangers are staying home with existing fans, existing uniforms, existing stadium and practice grounds, etc.
I guess it's an agree to disagree thing. If the Niners were to say that Montana etc and all the superbowls weren't part of the new Niners, it would mean nothing to me. Unless they moved the team to LA or something.read my previous post about this topic (just above this one). See if that makes any sense. it may not, because I think one needs to be ingrained with a team for decades to really appreciate what losing the history means.To localize it for myself on a team I have a long history with, it would like be going to a newco Boston Celtics team and not see any championship banners, any retired numbers or anything in the arena that ties to the past.To be clear- my only question is over what stripping Rangers' history does. It's like Wilt Chamberlain deciding he's a virgin and the rest of the world saying- oh... yeah... ok- NOW you're a virgin. gotcha. fine.The rest of what you're talking about is pretty straight forward.Maybe I'm overestimating what they did. The rivalry with Celtic is obviously gone until they make it back up to first division. AT that point do you think it will be the same? I'm guessing it will be more like a Steelers/Browns situation where the Steelers have moved on, and the Browns( Rangers) still try to pretend like it's the same thing. Also, I assume there have been banners and trophies displayed and those would come down leaving only a ####load of Celtic banners and nothing else.I don't see what kind of blow this is. HOnestly. Is the entire world supposed to get hypnotized into forgetting about Rangers' history? Will they be stricken from the infowebz?It really is baffling. The way they are doing it will hurt the league as much as it hurts "Rangers". Not having their history is a huge blow. Then to have a team with the same name in the same jersey in the same stadium playing is just silly.It does seem a little silly. If they are liquidating the club, they should liquidate it and not allow it to exist in any manner whatsoever in the future. The name, the records and the uniform should be banished to the history books. But if they are reorganizing it financially, they should reorganize it and allow it to continue as is with the only punishment being demotion.I understand what you're saying- but none of that makes any sense to me.They will keep their colors and their fans and their stadium... but shhhhhhhhh- their past must be stricken from your memory. Kinda like the trial attorney who makes a comment that's overruled and supposed to be erased from the court records and "ignored" by the jury- except times 100+ years.
Lastly, $$$. Rangers brought in a ton of money to the league. Attendance, TV, Merchandise will all take a huge hit. Relegation would cause a hit as well, but I think these sanctions will make it bigger. I think they soured a bunch of Rangers fans in this process, and even watered down the hatred from Rangers rivals.
I agree.My point was just trying to show how much history means to people. Like I said, some fans went to court to make sure the history would not be lost with out any knowledge of whether the team would ever be resurrected again.
More I think about this, more I'm
about this trade for the BullStars.Couldn't they get some free lunch or something and get rid of Marquez?I think the Browns/Ravens and SJ/Houston situations are radically different. With Rangers, we have the same name, the same uniform, the same stadium and the same fans. If the teams in Italy are any example, Rangers will be back on top pretty quickly. I'm sure the Celtic fans will take great delight in Rangers being stripped of its history and will come up with some great songs. But who other than the Scottish FA will care?
no question about it. This type of thing means significantly more to some people than to others.I have no idea why the courts/FA in Scotland decided to strip all the history but allow the colors and team name to live on.
That's awesome.
