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English Premier League Preview – Part 1 of 5

Below I’ll do a quick recap of each team, broken down with an obvious bias. I’ll include transfers, although they will not be complete, but should be pretty current, and any additional information I can think of…Don't mind the mis-spellings and please feel free to add any comments/critiques/critisms below - I'm typing these up at work, and mostly off the top of my head, so there is not much done in the way of fact checking

This year’s English (Barclay’s) Premier League I see as a two dog race. Simply put, these two teams are talented and deep enough to handle the long, arduous season best. No surprise really ….

1-Man United.

Of course I have my homer glasses on, but I really think bringing RVP onboard puts them over the edge. The question going into last year was offense, but I certainly do not believe that was an issue, as they scored at a fantastic rate, second only to City, with 89 gf. The issue at the end of the year was defense, particularly alarming was goals allowed at home – not just the 6 allowed to City, but 3 to Blackburn and 4 to Everton ffs, which really killed the season imo. And while not much went on in the offseason, with only Kagawa being brought on board, and only Park leaving as “key” moves, well, well, well, look what happens at the 11th hour. Not we also get to see the return of a hopefully healthy Vidic and Anderson and Cleverly – and another year of experience for DeGea who at times looked brilliant and at times, looked dreadful, I think that should sure up the team enough to make them a formidable opponent at every level.

2-Man City

I can’t argue the depth of talent at every position with this team, and it humors me to no end to see Mancini ##### and moan about all the moves that need to be made to make this team competitive. Come on. You have talent to burn everywhere, so much so that there is no room for Adebayor who was 5th in the league in total scoring last year on a fun Spurs team. Not much movement was made, only grabbing long time United target Jack Rodwell, but no one was really lost either. City’s strength starts at the back with a great back 5. Arguably the best gk in the league, and no real weaknesses at any defensive position. Then move onto the midfield, and oh, there is David Silva, perhaps the best player in the premier league. And Nasri, and Yaya Toure one of the most formidable physical presences in the league…and lets get to the attack with Arguero, Balotelli, Tevez. It would seem only a homer :bowtie: could pick against this team, and alas, I will. To me, it’s all about the drama that swirls the likes of Super Mario and Tevez. I just can’t see this not leading to another infamous blow up in some manner during the course of the season. When they are all on, it pours goals for City – but I think over the long season, patience and durability will prevail and hopefully City falls apart because no one likes them really.

 
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Part 2 of 5

Next tier will be of 5 teams that I see competing hard for CL spots/money. Here I will get a bit bolder.

3- Liverpool

Yeah, not a typo. I was high on them last year too (placing third on my preseason rankings), but I think this year they make me look like, well, a guru, but living up to the hype. Last year was hugely disappointing for most of their hated supporters, so a large success for the rest of us. I think there were too many moves, too many new faces, and way too many ####### midfielders. They bring in Adam, and Downing and Henderson. So, what do they do in this offseason? Well, the bring back Cole from loan in Lille (where he played quite well with Mr. Hazard), and sign Joe Allen. :wall: But, the real key I think will be having a healthy Gerrard and Lucas back in the fold. That will bring a lot of stability and continuity to their play. This will be a tough team I think, especially if Carroll can take another step forward as he did torwards the end of last year. He is very good in the air, and if he can control long balls effectively, get the ball to Suarez in open areas when he is making his runs, and get a few goals off corners, well, that should be enough offense for them. If Liverpool can get leads, they will be more able to control play and play to their strengths. Playing from behind is a bit of an issue. I was a bit surprised they let Bellamy go, as he was a spark plug to that attack when needed, but they did bring in Borini from Roma who has a penchant for the timely goal too. The defense is pretty deep – whether or not Agger stays, but I really think having Lucas back will help out tons. I do feel Carragher’s best days are behind him, so they are probably a central defender or two away from being an excellent side, but this is a good side and I expect a surprising breakthrough this year. And hell, if I’m wrong, all the better for the rest of us :banned:

4-Chelsea

While I couldn’t fault anyone that wanted to place the Blues third (or homer’s lying to themselves and placing them top two), I slid them down a notch this year. Not for lack of money being thrown around, as they certainly made a splash bring in the Hazard boys, and Oscar and Marin. And I do think that Eden Hazard and Oscar will be certainly more suited to the play RDM probably wants to play – I think AVB would have loved to have had a chance to manage this side now tbh, as only really Mata was an AVB player previously. But I digress…I think the issue is going to be old school vs new school. I am not sure how the likes of Terry and Lampard are going to get accustomed to what to me looks to be a different style of play. The defense will rely heavily on Terry and Ivanovich – I don’t think Cahill is top notch really, and Luiz is kind of a butcher, no more boswinga either, but the defense and gk will still be a strength. Now, they will just need figure out who is going to score. Which is primarily the reason I slid them back a notch. I just can’t feel comfortable with a team fielding Fernando Torres as their only seasoned “threat” to have a great season. Lukaku was out of place – maybe a loan out will do him well. Sturridge is good, but I think a better complimentary forward than “the man”. No more Drogba, no more Anelka, there is going to be a bit of a transitional phase to get the new boys accustomed to their roles and I think this will be an issue this year. Going forward, this is solid side and could be a piece or two away from really top notch – and hell they are the defending CL winners, so full props to them. But, when they need a big goal, in a big game, well, I don’t know who gets it done there any longer.

5-Newcastle United

A breakout performer last year, and I have seen no reason for them not to be in the hunt again. They may have played above their level last year, but Pardew seems the perfect manager for this team – they really love to get into the attack and have ample players that can finish. Ben Arfa is fantastic, Demba Ba and PApiss Cisse were ####### relevations last year, and then you have bit players like Amoebi, Oberton, Cabaye, hell Leon Best can even get it done. There is talent in the likes of Ryan Taylor (cracker on the set piece) and Jonas Gutirriez. Defense is anchored by Collocini, and they have some decent players in Simpson and Taylor but this is mayhaps where the fall behind the big boys in defensive depth and talent. I just don’t see enough of it there week in and week out for them to make much higher than 5. Krul is, in the author’s humble opinion, in the top three in gk’s in the premier league. I just think he doesn’t have enough in front of him to keep every ball out of net. It will be longer season for Newcastle this year also, so we’ll see how depth plays out on them. A decline could be expected, but I think a few of the teams behind them are sliding further….

6-Arsenal

They’re plucking the cupboard bare at the Emirates. Cesc, Samri, and now the captain, RVP. Huge, huge losses, and they have lost other smaller pieces as well for sure. But they did bring in a few very talented and very interesting players. Santi Cazorla is the one I’d be most interested in seeing if I was a gunner fan, and he could be absolutely fantastic. I’ve only had a chance to see him player a few times, but from what I have seen, and moreseo from the opinions of a few that are more familiar with his play, this could be a tremendous piece to the Arsenal team. Giroud and Podolski will be under quite a bit of pressure to produce right off the bat now, and that’s very tough when going to a new team, a team that has talent but is in a bit of disarray. It’s been a long time since Arsenal has had some silverware, you have to think Wenger will be under a bit of pressure too, no? Defense, at full health, particular Vermaellen, should be decent. There is plenty of talent back there, but not sure if there is enough on the top end – and I don’t if there is enough support for their offense back there for guys to feel comfortable coming up and leaving the back short. Szczesny is meh back there to me, middle of the pack guy – I’m not sure if Arsenal is going to be able to hold the ball enough to not be under pressure. And if they get behind and start to press, could get ugly. Tons of young talent on this team for sure, but a coach under pressure, and some high dollar transfers under immediate pressure to succeed, and losing so much over the past 2 years, I just see a slide this season coming up.

7-Spurs

Look, you have to make some bold predictions in order to gather your readers in, and hopefully infuriate them (there is one or two spurs fans in particular that I wouldn’t mind rattling in the least)….and here is a team I see with a severe slide this year. Last year’s darlings, they do play a fun brand of soccer to watch. I am a pretty huge Bale fan, I just love watching that guy run and play (doesn’t make me 100% gay, so I’m good with admitting as much). Defoe and Lennon still around and still are fast, and Adebayor back in the fold will certainly help….but…..the Modric saga has to come to an end (and it looks like as of the time of this writing, he is just about done and sold to Real Madrid), and that is a very large loss. Scottie Parker has been great since coming on the team, but Modric is much better and Parker will regress a bit this year. Vandefart in my eyes is a bit overrated, and sometimes just doesn’t play hard. :shrug: I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – I think he will be under tremendous pressure this year without Modric around, And although when you think of Spurs, you think of a pretty open brand of attacking soccer…..there are limited striking options. Dos Santos has never fit in, and if Adebayor misses a number of games, I’m just not sure who is going to get the goals here. And don’t think the loss of Ledley King will not be felt in the back. Sure, he was not the player he once was, but he was still as steady central defender when put out there. They have a bunch of attacking defenders in the likes of Walker & Assou Ekotto, but I’m not sure the Kabul & Dawson (Bassong) are enough, there are other pieces, old Gallas, but just not a great defense overall, certainly will be under pressure from counter attacks. Friedel is Friedel, steady eddy back there, but this could be a long season – I’ll enjoy watching them play, not sure they will be for the faint of heart if you support them.

 
I was a bit surprised they let Bellamy go
I read his statement thanking the fans, and basically it boiled down to he wanted to see his kids everyday. He went on and on about how Rodgers wanted him to stay, and he didn't really want to leave Liverpool, but the opportunity to be at home with his family was too good to turn down. He stressed it was amicable all the way around. Just wanted to pass that along.
 
Part 2 of 5

Next tier will be of 5 teams that I see competing hard for CL spots/money. Here I will get a bit bolder.

3- Liverpool

4-Chelsea

5-Newcastle United

6-Arsenal

7-Spurs
There's a fine line between bold and insane. 3rd and 4th will be between Chelsea, Arsenal, and Spurs again.People will know what to look for from Newcastle this time and you're at least a year early for Liverpool.

 
7-Spurs

Look, you have to make some bold predictions in order to gather your readers in, and hopefully infuriate them (there is one or two spurs fans in particular that I wouldn’t mind rattling in the least)….and here is a team I see with a severe slide this year. Last year’s darlings, they do play a fun brand of soccer to watch. I am a pretty huge Bale fan, I just love watching that guy run and play (doesn’t make me 100% gay, so I’m good with admitting as much). Defoe and Lennon still around and still are fast, and Adebayor back in the fold will certainly help….but…..the Modric saga has to come to an end (and it looks like as of the time of this writing, he is just about done and sold to Real Madrid), and that is a very large loss. Scottie Parker has been great since coming on the team, but Modric is much better and Parker will regress a bit this year. Vandefart in my eyes is a bit overrated, and sometimes just doesn’t play hard. :shrug: I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – I think he will be under tremendous pressure this year without Modric around, And although when you think of Spurs, you think of a pretty open brand of attacking soccer…..there are limited striking options. Dos Santos has never fit in, and if Adebayor misses a number of games, I’m just not sure who is going to get the goals here. And don’t think the loss of Ledley King will not be felt in the back. Sure, he was not the player he once was, but he was still as steady central defender when put out there. They have a bunch of attacking defenders in the likes of Walker & Assou Ekotto, but I’m not sure the Kabul & Dawson (Bassong) are enough, there are other pieces, old Gallas, but just not a great defense overall, certainly will be under pressure from counter attacks. Friedel is Friedel, steady eddy back there, but this could be a long season – I’ll enjoy watching them play, not sure they will be for the faint of heart if you support them.
Modric is a loss, but if they get in Moutinho it's almost a wash. If not, some are saying Sigurdsson can take over. I'm not sure of that however.As for the defense, Jan Vertonghen is the other starting center back with Kabul, most likely.

 
There's a fine line between bold and insane. 3rd and 4th will be between Chelsea, Arsenal, and Spurs again.People will know what to look for from Newcastle this time and you're at least a year early for Liverpool.
Pretty sure Scoobygang thought I was nuts for putting Newcastle 10th or so last year. They finished 5th, and have basically the same team. Cisse is only going to get better as he acclimates himself to the English game. We'll see where Spurs finish, I think you're in for a rude awakening. I did forget to mention the Icelandic mf Sigurddson in my write up, and while I've only seen him play in an international game or two (I don't follow Icelandic soccer), by all accounts he could be a good signing. Spurs are one Adam tackle on Bale away from a disaster, imho.
 
There's a fine line between bold and insane. 3rd and 4th will be between Chelsea, Arsenal, and Spurs again.

People will know what to look for from Newcastle this time and you're at least a year early for Liverpool.
Pretty sure Scoobygang thought I was nuts for putting Newcastle 10th or so last year. They finished 5th, and have basically the same team. Cisse is only going to get better as he acclimates himself to the English game. We'll see where Spurs finish, I think you're in for a rude awakening. I did forget to mention the Icelandic mf Sigurddson in my write up, and while I've only seen him play in an international game or two (I don't follow Icelandic soccer), by all accounts he could be a good signing. Spurs are one Adam tackle on Bale away from a disaster, imho.
Do they have the depth to handle the Europa League, the FA Cup, and the Premier League? I think they're facing a very different situation this year.
 
Funny, I was fine with the team getting rid of van Persie, but getting rid of Alex Song? I don't get this one. He's honestly probably been the team's MVP ever since Wilshere's injury (though there's an argument to be made for van Persie for that as well), and there's no one in the team that can replace him. Van Persie leaving opens up spots for Giroud and Podolski in the lineup, and I'm okay with that. Who is going to replace Alex Song? Wilshere is still out for a few months and doesn't play exactly the same role Song does. Ramsey and Arteta aren't as strong in defense.

Wenger has almost always played a holding midfielder in the Vieira/Gilberto Silva/Song mold. I don't see anyone in the team able to step into that role without missing a beat. And with Song taking a massive step forward in his playmaking game last year, getting rid of him means someone has to step into not just a defensive mold, but a creative mold as well. I'm trying not to let my homerism cloud my judgement here, but I don't know if there is a better playmaking/holding combo midfielder in the world right now. Maybe Sami Khedira?

When you consider that Arsenal have made absolutely zero moves this offseason to shore up the shaky defense, selling Song makes minimal sense unless they've got soemthing in place to bring in another similar player, IMO. That said, I am not fully aware of his contract situation; I'm sure that is a factor as well.

 
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Funny, I was fine with the team getting rid of van Persie, but getting rid of Alex Song? I don't get this one. He's honestly probably been the team's MVP ever since Wilshere's injury (though there's an argument to be made for van Persie for that as well), and there's no one in the team that can replace him. Van Persie leaving opens up spots for Giroud and Podolski in the lineup, and I'm okay with that. Who is going to replace Alex Song? Wilshere is still out for a few months and doesn't play exactly the same role Song does. Ramsey and Arteta aren't as strong in defense.Wenger has almost always played a holding midfielder in the Vieira/Gilberto Silva/Song mold. I don't see anyone in the team able to step into that role without missing a beat. And with Song taking a massive step forward in his playmaking game last year, getting rid of him means someone has to step into not just a defensive mold, but a creative mold as well. I'm trying not to let my homerism cloud my judgement here, but I don't know if there is a better playmaking/holding combo midfielder in the world right now. Maybe Sami Khedira?When you consider that Arsenal have made absolutely zero moves this offseason to shore up the shaky defense, selling Song makes minimal sense unless they've got soemthing in place to bring in another similar player, IMO. That said, I am not fully aware of his contract situation; I'm sure that is a factor as well.
So far, it's still being denied by Wenger, so........:fingerscrossed:
 
Funny, I was fine with the team getting rid of van Persie, but getting rid of Alex Song? I don't get this one. He's honestly probably been the team's MVP ever since Wilshere's injury (though there's an argument to be made for van Persie for that as well), and there's no one in the team that can replace him. Van Persie leaving opens up spots for Giroud and Podolski in the lineup, and I'm okay with that. Who is going to replace Alex Song? Wilshere is still out for a few months and doesn't play exactly the same role Song does. Ramsey and Arteta aren't as strong in defense.Wenger has almost always played a holding midfielder in the Vieira/Gilberto Silva/Song mold. I don't see anyone in the team able to step into that role without missing a beat. And with Song taking a massive step forward in his playmaking game last year, getting rid of him means someone has to step into not just a defensive mold, but a creative mold as well. I'm trying not to let my homerism cloud my judgement here, but I don't know if there is a better playmaking/holding combo midfielder in the world right now. Maybe Sami Khedira?When you consider that Arsenal have made absolutely zero moves this offseason to shore up the shaky defense, selling Song makes minimal sense unless they've got soemthing in place to bring in another similar player, IMO. That said, I am not fully aware of his contract situation; I'm sure that is a factor as well.
It is amazes me how Arsenal lets this go on every off-season. Feel bad for you fans. It would be exciting to get Song in Barcelona though, he can slot into a lot of diffrent places in the lineup including CB. Good replacement for Keita who had 42 appearances last year.
 
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It's hard to even type this with a straight face but they say Diaby is fully healthy and ready to go, maybe he can step in if they lose Song.

 
Hope Guru tips 3 for promotion from the championship as well :popcorn: -QG
I could do that if you wanted. I've been following the lower leagues for a few years now. Obviously I don't know all the players on all of the teams the further down you get, but there is plenty of information available for Championship level.
 
I like Liverpool this year too (big fan of Rodgers), but Chelski is loaded. I don't see how they finish outside the top 3.

I don't see Newcastle finishing that high again either.

 
I guess to be fair to the team, they've gotta pay for this summer's transfers somehow. Cazorla + Giroud + Podolski = 40+ million pounds.
You are joking right? They sat on almost all of the money they brought in last year for Cesc and Nasri.
They brought in Oxlade-Chamberlain, Gervinho, Arteta, Andre Santos, Mertesacker and some minor acquisitions. This accounted for about 70% of what they got for Nasri, Fabregas and Clichy.
 
I guess to be fair to the team, they've gotta pay for this summer's transfers somehow. Cazorla + Giroud + Podolski = 40+ million pounds.
You are joking right? They sat on almost all of the money they brought in last year for Cesc and Nasri.
Just to make sure I wasn't crazy, here are the last 3 years of Arsenal Transfers:2009/10Notable Players Out - Adebayor, Toure - 41 Million PoundsNotable Players In - Vermaelen, Koscielny, Chamakh - 19.7Net gain of ~21 Million Pounds2010/11Notable Players Out - Eduardo - 6.8 Million PoundsNotable Players In - NoneNet gain, ~7 Million Pounds2011/12Notable Players Out - Clichy, Fabregas, Eboue, Nasri - 64 Million PoundsNotable Players In - Arteta, Mertesacker, Gervinho, Oxlade - 48.7Net gain of ~15 Million Pounds
 
Hopefully this thread is isolated enough so that the rest of LABS won't get mad at me for sullying this alias with serious soccer discussion.

I'm another Arsenal fan who isn't particularly exercised about the Van Persie deal. And I'm not sure how well he'll fit with Rooney. Van Persie played largely as a false nine last season. He's a very good versatile player, but I don't think he's the best choice for Man U if they want Rooney to play in the hole. I think they might get in each other's way. There are other strikers who are more suited to staying highest up the pitch (Llorente, for instance, would have been perfect for Man U IMO.)

Like Tasker, I'm more concerned with losing Song, although I expect Wenger to renew his interest in Yann M'Villa. And I know that Wenger is high on Frimpong and Coquelin and even Diaby. Diaby is not a suitable Song subsititue, IMO, and would probably provide better cover to Cazorla as a different type of attacking mid. One possibillity that might surprise us is the Ox, who played as a CAM at Southampton and who has all the physical characteristics to play the Viera role.

If Arsenal actually get Llorente, I think their offense will be more explosive, varied, and attractive than last year. Cazorla is absolutely in the class of Silva, Mata, and even Cesc. Podolski will, I think, thrive in a direct role on the left flank in the English game. I've been impressed by what I've seen of Giroud, but I'll concede to having doubts about any Ligue 1 striker considering the track record. I'd have no doubts about Llorente, who I think is the most underrated striker in the world. I also have to wonder whether this is the year for Walcott to get his chance to play striker at times.

Arsenal's biggest achilles heel is still the back four. Maybe a full year with the squad will make Metesacker a useful third CB, but I doubt it. Considering Gibbs makes RVP look like Bruce Willis in Unbreakable, that Andre Santos can't defend, Sagna isn't getting younger, and Jenkinson is a joke, both fullback slots are serious concerns. I'm a little shocked they aren't trying to trump Newcastle for Debuchy.

 
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Funny, I was fine with the team getting rid of van Persie, but getting rid of Alex Song? I don't get this one. He's honestly probably been the team's MVP ever since Wilshere's injury (though there's an argument to be made for van Persie for that as well), and there's no one in the team that can replace him. Van Persie leaving opens up spots for Giroud and Podolski in the lineup, and I'm okay with that. Who is going to replace Alex Song? Wilshere is still out for a few months and doesn't play exactly the same role Song does. Ramsey and Arteta aren't as strong in defense.Wenger has almost always played a holding midfielder in the Vieira/Gilberto Silva/Song mold. I don't see anyone in the team able to step into that role without missing a beat. And with Song taking a massive step forward in his playmaking game last year, getting rid of him means someone has to step into not just a defensive mold, but a creative mold as well. I'm trying not to let my homerism cloud my judgement here, but I don't know if there is a better playmaking/holding combo midfielder in the world right now. Maybe Sami Khedira?When you consider that Arsenal have made absolutely zero moves this offseason to shore up the shaky defense, selling Song makes minimal sense unless they've got soemthing in place to bring in another similar player, IMO. That said, I am not fully aware of his contract situation; I'm sure that is a factor as well.
Welcome to the International Association for Selling Clubs. Grief counseling is on the room to the right and the Sugar Daddy search symposium in the main hall.
 
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I was going to give this as a trivia question but it is too obscure.

Only 5 Americans have scored an international goal in Azteca against Mexico

Willy Roy 1972

Ricky Davis 1982

Eddie Lewis 2005

Charlie Davies 2009

Michael Orozco Fiscal 2012

 
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I was going to give this as a trivia question but it is too obscure.Only 5 Americans have scored an international goal in Azteca against MexicoWilly Roy 1972Ricky Davis 1982Eddie Lewis 2005Charlie Davies 2009Michael Orozco Fiscal 2012
whatever happened to Davies...is he done for good?
 
Liverpool have reached an agreement to sign Morocco international winger Oussama Assaidi from Dutch side SC Heerenveen, subject to the player passing a medical.
good player to have in the lineup when playing away at Azteca
 
Okay I lied, there are only going to be 4 parts to the EPL preview this year

Part 3 of 4, Not quite ready for prime time:

8 - Sunderland

I’ve always liked Sunderland, and I guess I’ll rank them here for that fact alone. They get a nice home field advantage, Martin O’Neill is a good manager and the team, while not inspiring has quality, in particular in the midfield. They lost Bendtner and Gyan, so they will more than likely struggle to score, but if they can keep games close, they’ll steal away plenty of points. Sessegnon was great last year, and they’ll need him to be so again. Defense has two studs in the back in O’Shea and Brown ;) and they are actually pretty deep with the addition of Cuellar. If they can keep most of their home points and not get into open games, I think opponents are going to find Sunderland an annoying opponent to play – second to probably Stoke. A top 10 finish could be….and I think they get a deal for a striker to bolster the attack and climb over some other sides.

9 – Everton

I never know where to put this team, and to be honest, I was leaning towards lower on the table. They drop points against teams I expect them to win, and steal points when I don’t want them to. Miserable bastards, all of them. Just when I think they are reeling, they bring in LanDon :mellow: and get hot again. They have a decent side, half of me wants to put them a place or two higher, but I’ll keep them at 9. Jelavic really came on last year and is a viable man up top to get goals. Cahill’s loss will be felt, moreso than Rodwells I think. But they do get Pieneer back and he seems to thrive there. Fellaini is very good in the middle, Gibson has the great pedigree…and I do like their back line and gk. I think the question is going to be goals and who can create the chances. Team is just not deep enough (except maybe in defense) to afford many injuries, but at full health, this will not be a team to be taken lightly.

10 – QPR

I think you’d have to say last season for QPR was a big disappointment, although they did manage to avoid relegation. That being said, If nothing else, QPR is doing their best to stockpile warm bodies for the coming year, and should be able to scrape together enough to put a pretty solid side out there. Obviously, Park should make a huge impact on this team in the midfield, and Fabio will be a fantastic addition to the back. Taarabt was absolutely snake bit last year, and I think with a fresh start, his talent will shine through and he will have a bounce back year. If you look up and down QPR’s lineup , you’ll see a ton of familiar names, Zamora, Cisse, Andrew Johnson up top, Ryan Nelson, Junior Hoilett, hell a Robert Green showing in goal. None of these guys may be world beaters, but they are solid rotation guys for sure. The season is a grind, and I think a quality club not only need talent, they really need depth everywhere, so if nothing else, QPR may have the depth covered. They get nice seasons from a few key guys, I see them creeping up the table, and should not need worry looking over their shoulder at the RZ.

11- Stoke

Love TP, love Stoke’s home field advantage, just don’t really care for the way they play sometimes….but, you gotta do what you gotta do, and this is one team that I don’t think any one looks forward to playing. Stoke has some depth and quality in midfield and attack, as Crouch has really come on and scored some big goals for them, and they have the likes of Jerome and Kenwyne Jones up top, both of whom are physical presences who can score. Midfield is pretty deep, no super stars really, but deep enough that they can bring on solid guys from the bench – they run 7-8 deep with what I would consider starting midfielders. The issue will be getting guys that can get balls in dangerous positions for their attackers. Etherington and Pennant, Delap on the long throws…and I haven’t even mentioned Walters in the attack and that’s really his strong suit is getting the ball into the box and doing some heavy lifting. Stokes weakness is their back 5, imho. The rest of the team really needs to play a defensive minded game so as not to get caught short in the back, and that leads to some, less than pretty play most of the time. I do like to root for Stoke, and I like how Pulis doesn’t give up anything in any game, so I’ll cheer for them to finish higher, but in the end, I don’t think they can crack the top 10.

12 – Fulham

Dempsey is still there, for now, no? But, he can’t be there much longer. But even without him, Fulham plays a fairly attacking game, and are still especially tough at home. Rodallega is now there, but I’m not sure I would like to count on him to be my sole attack option. Fulham is just short on quality attack for them to climb much higher than this. Dembele is nice, Ruiz shows me flashes from time to time, I like when Riise climbs into the attack from the back, but you need stone cold killers to break down opponents one v one or get the ball into the net, and when Dempsey leaves, those are going to be huge shoes to fill and I don’t see anyone left on that squad that can do so. Defense is mediocre in my eyes, and gk is decent, but all in all, they are going to allow goals, and not score as many, and well, that’s not good enough. They’ll need to beat teams below them, and hold at home, and mid table is very likely.

13 – Norwich

Norwich and Swansea were huge stories last year, finishing tied for tenth, and really bringing a tough, tenacious style of play to just about every match. I think they played above their heads a bit last year, but I see them having another decent run of it this year. New manager may be an issue, but this is not a side that beats you with perfection, rather they play hard, wait for their chances and try to make the most of them. Who can forget the late season game vs Arsenal last year that ended 3-3? And they took United to the brink at home, allowing a 90’ Giggs winner from a draw in that one..and in fact, other than Man City who beat up on them to the tune of 11-2, no other team in the premier league beat them by more than a single goal last year, so they were obviously in every game but those two. Not bad. Holt and Morrison are a nice duo and they brought in a few Leeds guys to give them more depth in the midfield. They’ll need more of the same play as last year, not much has changed from their team, but they should have confidence and I think they get enough points to comfortably stay in the top level for another year at least.

14- Aston Villa

Wasn’t sure if they could drop any lower, so I’ll settle them in here. Last year, disaster. So they bring in Lambert from Norwich…but that’s really about it. They may have one starter different from the end of last year, but do they think if they can throw the same crap against the door again this year, they will magically rise to top 10 level? I sure don’t. Bent and Agbonlahor form a nice attack duo, but it seems that one of them is usually dealing with one issue or another, and I don’t know if either is that great :shrug: Agbonhlahor is fast, but without Ashley Young serving him up perfect long balls to chase down, he doesn’t create hardly anything on his own. Bent is a good finisher, but he seems to go good when the team is going good, when things aren’t going right, he is not a game changer. Midfield is okay, couple nice pieces in there with Ireland, Gardner, N’Zogbia, Alibrighton, couple more can add depth and quality, but the defense will have their hands full this year I think. Always thought Dunne played hard and gave great efforts even if he wasn’t given the greatest God given ability, but most of those guys are pretty interchangeable and not all that great. Lichaj, yeah I know we all love him in this thread, yada…Given and Guzan are pretty okay gk’s, but neither is top tier. So all in all, this team will win a few, lose a bunch more, and probably do just enough to stay safe of relegation. Not a season to be looking forward to I think for Villa fans.

 
Ok- so let's keep score for us US fans who don't really give a #### about EPL other than what it means to us.

Everton: Howard... maybe LD

Stoke: Cameron

Fulham: Dempsey

Spurs: Friedl

Aston Villa: Guzan, Lichaj

Is that really it? 3 GKs, 2 CBs and one offensive player?

 
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Ok- so let's keep score for us US fans who don't really give a #### about EPL other than what it means to us.

Everton: Howard... maybe LD

Stoke: Cameron

Liverpool: Dempsey

Spurs: Friedl

Aston Villa: Guzan, Lichaj

Is that really it? 3 GKs, 2 CBs and one offensive player?
Fixed

 
Ok- so let's keep score for us US fans who don't really give a #### about EPL other than what it means to us.

Everton: Howard... maybe LD

Stoke: Cameron

Fulham: Dempsey

Spurs: Friedl

Aston Villa: Guzan, Lichaj

Is that really it? 3 GKs, 2 CBs and one offensive player?
That is it for the "big" names as we lost both Ream and Holden when Bolton got relegated.Villyan Bijev (19 year old who has been with US youth national teams) is with Liverpool although is expected to be loaned out again (he was loaned to Fortuna Dusseldorf last season from Liverpool).

As a side note, the Bundesliga has a decent amount of Americans to watch (Cherundolo, Jones, Williams, Gyau, Johnson, Jeffrey, and Yelldell)

 
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Ok- so let's keep score for us US fans who don't really give a #### about EPL other than what it means to us.

Everton: Howard... maybe LD

Stoke: Cameron

Liverpool: Dempsey

Spurs: Friedl

Aston Villa: Guzan, Lichaj

Is that really it? 3 GKs, 2 CBs and one offensive player?
Fixed
Guzan has been loaned out to Hull City
did this just happen again? I know he was loaned out to Hull last year but returned to Villa in late April.
 

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