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I don't think the US should have too much trouble getting out of that group.

If they get 4 or 6 points from Cuba and at least 3 from the other two, they should be fine.

I could see them possibly dropping one to Guatemala while playing at Guatemala, but other than that....I don't see the US losing a game. Road games are always tough, but a draw would suffice....and we should be able to win all 3 home matches.
US should've lost or tied Cuba IN the US during the Gold Cup last time around... outplayed by them at times during that game. Man... this round always scares the crap out of me. The US will show up in Guatemela and every radio/TV station in the country will be telling people there exactly what hotel the US is staying at, essentially setting up a continuous 72 hour block party around their hotel... sleep= :banned: ... let alone the bizarro calls Andy alluded to earlier (and batteries/ misc. projectiles bombarding the players' heads all game).
Of all the teams in CONCACAF, by far I hate playing Guatemala the most. Bunch of whining, diving, hacking cheaters, especially Carlos Ruiz. And considering the general style of play in this region, that's really saying something.
 
Back to the US game. I read that Beasly and Adu spent time alternating a the lone forward up top. I realize this was a throw away game, but why even put either of those players up there? There is zero chance of Beasly or Adu playing forward in a competive game right? Why fool around like this instead of playing players in the positions you intend to use them in?
Because it forces them out of their comfort zone and requires them to actually think about what they're doing. It also allows them to see the game through the eyes of the guys who they're supposed to be feeding the ball to. It will help them in the long run.
Respectively disagree with all of that.
what Christo mentioned is the classic Dutch (and more specifically Ajax) approach to playing the sport. However, it rarely happens once players are promoted from the youth squads.For me I didn't really care if DMB was in goal, that game on Sunday was barely a scrimmage.
 
culdeus said:
Germany is a 5-1 favourite to advanceSpain 1.7 to 1 to advance.
Personally, I hate the -500 to advance on Germany. If it gets to OT/pk's, well, anything can happen. Something as much as a slip could decide the outcome of the game. My book has Germany at -250 to win in regulation time, and that's still pretty steep. I really thought Spain would be a bigger favorite considering they've already beaten the Russian team handily. Russia to advance at +130 is not real good.However, o2.5 in the Spain/Russia game at +120 looks good enough to play to me.
 
Also odds to win it all:

Germany +150

Spain +160

Russia +325

Turkey +850

Nothing really worth playing imo, except maybe Russia.

 
Also odds to win it all:Germany +150Spain +160Russia +325Turkey +850Nothing really worth playing imo, except maybe Russia.
Explain this to me please. I understand odds if you say someone is 3-1 to win or something, but what does +150 to win and -500 to advance mean?Obviously I don't gamble.
 
Back to the US game. I read that Beasly and Adu spent time alternating a the lone forward up top. I realize this was a throw away game, but why even put either of those players up there? There is zero chance of Beasly or Adu playing forward in a competive game right? Why fool around like this instead of playing players in the positions you intend to use them in?
Because it forces them out of their comfort zone and requires them to actually think about what they're doing. It also allows them to see the game through the eyes of the guys who they're supposed to be feeding the ball to. It will help them in the long run.
Respectively disagree with all of that.
I don't really think I do either. How does having Adu play completely out of position give him a better understanding of the game? He is way to small to ever be an effective striker. Would you recommend he get playing time at fullback also to better see how to defend? It still doesn't make any sense to me. I guess its kind of like with Dempsey. The guy needs to be played either exclusively in the midfield or up top, quit jerking him around and let him concentrate on developing at a singular position.
 
Are there any other sites with live feeds to these games other than espn360? I don't have anyway of accessing 360.

 
Back to the US game. I read that Beasly and Adu spent time alternating a the lone forward up top. I realize this was a throw away game, but why even put either of those players up there? There is zero chance of Beasly or Adu playing forward in a competive game right? Why fool around like this instead of playing players in the positions you intend to use them in?
Because it forces them out of their comfort zone and requires them to actually think about what they're doing. It also allows them to see the game through the eyes of the guys who they're supposed to be feeding the ball to. It will help them in the long run.
Respectively disagree with all of that.
I don't really think I do either. How does having Adu play completely out of position give him a better understanding of the game? He is way to small to ever be an effective striker. Would you recommend he get playing time at fullback also to better see how to defend? It still doesn't make any sense to me. I guess its kind of like with Dempsey. The guy needs to be played either exclusively in the midfield or up top, quit jerking him around and let him concentrate on developing at a singular position.
I don't believe it works at the pro level, but the theory used for decades in Holland (and developed in part through the Ajax system) is that every player is chosen to play every single field position as he is working his way up through the ranks. They believe it makes the player a significantly more complete player (and looking at the technical ability of the average Dutch player, its hard to argue).John O'Brien (arguably the US's best midfielder ever when he was healthy), said that this philosophy helped him grow as a player tremendously when he moved to the Ajax system at age 16.
 
I think this video belongs here.

In celebration of Euro 2008, public prankster and more-than-fair soccer striker Rémi Gaillard made the following video of himself using the urban landscape as a soccer pitch.

 
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Back to the US game. I read that Beasly and Adu spent time alternating a the lone forward up top. I realize this was a throw away game, but why even put either of those players up there? There is zero chance of Beasly or Adu playing forward in a competive game right? Why fool around like this instead of playing players in the positions you intend to use them in?
Because it forces them out of their comfort zone and requires them to actually think about what they're doing. It also allows them to see the game through the eyes of the guys who they're supposed to be feeding the ball to. It will help them in the long run.
Respectively disagree with all of that.
I don't really think I do either. How does having Adu play completely out of position give him a better understanding of the game? He is way to small to ever be an effective striker. Would you recommend he get playing time at fullback also to better see how to defend? It still doesn't make any sense to me. I guess its kind of like with Dempsey. The guy needs to be played either exclusively in the midfield or up top, quit jerking him around and let him concentrate on developing at a singular position.
I don't believe it works at the pro level, but the theory used for decades in Holland (and developed in part through the Ajax system) is that every player is chosen to play every single field position as he is working his way up through the ranks. They believe it makes the player a significantly more complete player (and looking at the technical ability of the average Dutch player, its hard to argue).John O'Brien (arguably the US's best midfielder ever when he was healthy), said that this philosophy helped him grow as a player tremendously when he moved to the Ajax system at age 16.
I can understand that for developing players as you mention their system does, but I don't think that World Cup Qualifiers is the place to do this. While Adu is still young, Beasly has been around the block, so what is the point for him to be up there? There is a time and a place for ideas like this, but I don't don't think it should be in Qualifiers.I just feel like it is more important at this point for the US to start developing some real chemistry between players at the positions they are best suited. The US isn't going to be the most talented team at the WC (assuming they qualify), so they should look to being one of the best teams. Just my thoughts.

 
I think this video belongs here.

In celebration of Euro 2008, public prankster and more-than-fair soccer striker Rémi Gaillard made the following video of himself using the urban landscape as a soccer pitch.

:thumbdown: some nice goals in this one. I may have to try the bowling alley goal

 
Back to the US game. I read that Beasly and Adu spent time alternating a the lone forward up top. I realize this was a throw away game, but why even put either of those players up there? There is zero chance of Beasly or Adu playing forward in a competive game right? Why fool around like this instead of playing players in the positions you intend to use them in?
Because it forces them out of their comfort zone and requires them to actually think about what they're doing. It also allows them to see the game through the eyes of the guys who they're supposed to be feeding the ball to. It will help them in the long run.
Respectively disagree with all of that.
I don't really think I do either. How does having Adu play completely out of position give him a better understanding of the game? He is way to small to ever be an effective striker. Would you recommend he get playing time at fullback also to better see how to defend? It still doesn't make any sense to me. I guess its kind of like with Dempsey. The guy needs to be played either exclusively in the midfield or up top, quit jerking him around and let him concentrate on developing at a singular position.
I don't believe it works at the pro level, but the theory used for decades in Holland (and developed in part through the Ajax system) is that every player is chosen to play every single field position as he is working his way up through the ranks. They believe it makes the player a significantly more complete player (and looking at the technical ability of the average Dutch player, its hard to argue).John O'Brien (arguably the US's best midfielder ever when he was healthy), said that this philosophy helped him grow as a player tremendously when he moved to the Ajax system at age 16.
I can understand that for developing players as you mention their system does, but I don't think that World Cup Qualifiers is the place to do this. While Adu is still young, Beasly has been around the block, so what is the point for him to be up there? There is a time and a place for ideas like this, but I don't don't think it should be in Qualifiers.I just feel like it is more important at this point for the US to start developing some real chemistry between players at the positions they are best suited. The US isn't going to be the most talented team at the WC (assuming they qualify), so they should look to being one of the best teams. Just my thoughts.
While I agree with your point as a whole, you have to realize that this was a throw away game. US would have needed to lose 9-0 for this to cause problems. Why not see what you got and play a few others up top in a game like this? Its not bad to see a few people out of position and see if they can handle it in case of suspensions, injuries, in game management.I do agree that we should be building chemistry and a TEAM, but after England, Spain and Argentina, then a crushing of Barbados in the 1st leg, alittle bit of fun and a challenge in a meaningless game is not a bad idea. Keeps players minds on the game at hand.

 
Back to the US game. I read that Beasly and Adu spent time alternating a the lone forward up top. I realize this was a throw away game, but why even put either of those players up there? There is zero chance of Beasly or Adu playing forward in a competive game right? Why fool around like this instead of playing players in the positions you intend to use them in?
Because it forces them out of their comfort zone and requires them to actually think about what they're doing. It also allows them to see the game through the eyes of the guys who they're supposed to be feeding the ball to. It will help them in the long run.
Respectively disagree with all of that.
I don't really think I do either. How does having Adu play completely out of position give him a better understanding of the game? He is way to small to ever be an effective striker. Would you recommend he get playing time at fullback also to better see how to defend? It still doesn't make any sense to me. I guess its kind of like with Dempsey. The guy needs to be played either exclusively in the midfield or up top, quit jerking him around and let him concentrate on developing at a singular position.
I don't believe it works at the pro level, but the theory used for decades in Holland (and developed in part through the Ajax system) is that every player is chosen to play every single field position as he is working his way up through the ranks. They believe it makes the player a significantly more complete player (and looking at the technical ability of the average Dutch player, its hard to argue).John O'Brien (arguably the US's best midfielder ever when he was healthy), said that this philosophy helped him grow as a player tremendously when he moved to the Ajax system at age 16.
I can understand that for developing players as you mention their system does, but I don't think that World Cup Qualifiers is the place to do this. While Adu is still young, Beasly has been around the block, so what is the point for him to be up there? There is a time and a place for ideas like this, but I don't don't think it should be in Qualifiers.I just feel like it is more important at this point for the US to start developing some real chemistry between players at the positions they are best suited. The US isn't going to be the most talented team at the WC (assuming they qualify), so they should look to being one of the best teams. Just my thoughts.
While I agree with your point as a whole, you have to realize that this was a throw away game. US would have needed to lose 9-0 for this to cause problems. Why not see what you got and play a few others up top in a game like this? Its not bad to see a few people out of position and see if they can handle it in case of suspensions, injuries, in game management.I do agree that we should be building chemistry and a TEAM, but after England, Spain and Argentina, then a crushing of Barbados in the 1st leg, alittle bit of fun and a challenge in a meaningless game is not a bad idea. Keeps players minds on the game at hand.
I understand that point as well, but the thing that worries me is that once overseas seasons start back up for some of the better US players it will be difficult to get them all together and with any type of time to practice. These summer qualifier games are the perfect opportunity for most of these players as their primary focus is on the national team. Why has Jozy not been at any of these games? Has he been hurt or has his transfer been the sole reason keeping him out so far? I haven't heard anything about this.

 
Germany 4-0 Turkey

Russia 3-2 Spain

I expect the Germans to dominate today's game. Turks are just missing too much, and the Germans are too deep and physical in the middle and back they will not allow the Turks to come back. Tomorrow's game I expect to be epic. I want goals.

Germany 2-1 Russia

 
Back to the US game. I read that Beasly and Adu spent time alternating a the lone forward up top. I realize this was a throw away game, but why even put either of those players up there? There is zero chance of Beasly or Adu playing forward in a competive game right? Why fool around like this instead of playing players in the positions you intend to use them in?
Because it forces them out of their comfort zone and requires them to actually think about what they're doing. It also allows them to see the game through the eyes of the guys who they're supposed to be feeding the ball to. It will help them in the long run.
Respectively disagree with all of that.
Oh, come on. Say it with some contempt so I can get mad at you.
 
Turkey is taking the game to the Germans.

Turkey could easily be up right now.

Germany better wake up and start playing.

 
Back to the US game. I read that Beasly and Adu spent time alternating a the lone forward up top. I realize this was a throw away game, but why even put either of those players up there? There is zero chance of Beasly or Adu playing forward in a competive game right? Why fool around like this instead of playing players in the positions you intend to use them in?
Because it forces them out of their comfort zone and requires them to actually think about what they're doing. It also allows them to see the game through the eyes of the guys who they're supposed to be feeding the ball to. It will help them in the long run.
Respectively disagree with all of that.
I don't really think I do either. How does having Adu play completely out of position give him a better understanding of the game? He is way to small to ever be an effective striker. Would you recommend he get playing time at fullback also to better see how to defend? It still doesn't make any sense to me. I guess its kind of like with Dempsey. The guy needs to be played either exclusively in the midfield or up top, quit jerking him around and let him concentrate on developing at a singular position.
I don't believe it works at the pro level, but the theory used for decades in Holland (and developed in part through the Ajax system) is that every player is chosen to play every single field position as he is working his way up through the ranks. They believe it makes the player a significantly more complete player (and looking at the technical ability of the average Dutch player, its hard to argue).John O'Brien (arguably the US's best midfielder ever when he was healthy), said that this philosophy helped him grow as a player tremendously when he moved to the Ajax system at age 16.
My coach would do this to us all the time in meaningless games. He always played the subs at their positions, but starters would be moved around. I usually played sweeper, but I started various games at GK, FB, midfield and striker.
 
Did they have an explanation as to why Turkey wasn't called offside on their goal?

The forward was standing 4 steps behind the defense when he took the pass and bumped it back to the inbounder.

 
Well I'm just screwed. I can't install anything on my computer without admin rights and I haven't found any other links that work without downloading something or paying money.

 
culdeus said:
Well I'm just screwed. I can't install anything on my computer without admin rights and I haven't found any other links that work without downloading something or paying money.
Does the eurosport feeds not work?
Hadn't tried it yet. I just tried this latest one and after I installed the sopnet thingy every feed I clicked on it said it failed to initialize. Link?
 
Germany has been all over Turkey at the start of the second half. It shouldn't be long before they get another goal.

ETA - ESPN is now having technical difficulties, so I now get to watch Rece, Tommy Smyth, and the Foud in studio :popcorn: :hot: :rant:

 
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