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DJackson10
Footballguy
The Z Machine
Footballguy
It was going to be Ravens stadium (right in the city) with a fan zone on the Washington mall. Would have been a great experience. There's even a train line that runs from DC to a stop right next to the stadium.
Instead we'll have people driving 30 miles from Boston through the country to get to a small town with a giant stadium and nothing else around. Dumb.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Baltimore/DC went in together. I heard from a few Soccer Sources they had no chance after the Snyder issues and then the Fedex field incident with the Eagles fans in the stands falling ruled them out. Baltimore is ok but given what the year is in USA History you can't take Boston, NYC/NJ or Philly out of it and none of those cities have the issues DC/Baltimore has.
DJackson10
Footballguy
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
So apparently Alberta's outgoing premier made a bunch of demands on FIFA such as a minimum number of games and basically sank Edmonton's bid (makes some sense if you figure a symmetry of 3 venues in each of Mexico and Canada and 10 in the US). Wonder what the lucky venue was that got Edmonton's spot.
-QG
-QG
The General
Footballguy
When do they say which city gets the finals? Or did I miss that.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
So what killed the bids for the losers:
Edmonton - looks like the local politicians
Denver - they were a bit of a long shot it seemed. Altitude and the relative proximity of the other western candidates probably got them best.
Rose Bowl - never felt like they were beating out So-Fi. Wasn't the only real ding on So-Fi that the field size is the issue?
Orlando - only had the 1994 history to fall back on - really felt like they no shot at beating out Miami and Florida wasn't getting 2 venues.
Baltimore - mentioned above - that it just wasn't gonna sell as being "DC" enough
Nashville - the killing blow was the stadium situation and it's likely feared a construction delay situation.
Cincinnati - As a Bengals fan I would have loved it for my Cincy friends but it was always a long shot to begin with and probably stayed in the mix as much to keep Kansas City for getting cute with FIFA and maybe just to be a fallback option in the Midwest in case things went sideways with KC given that Chicago out of the picture. Would have loved to have seen it.
-QG
Edmonton - looks like the local politicians
Denver - they were a bit of a long shot it seemed. Altitude and the relative proximity of the other western candidates probably got them best.
Rose Bowl - never felt like they were beating out So-Fi. Wasn't the only real ding on So-Fi that the field size is the issue?
Orlando - only had the 1994 history to fall back on - really felt like they no shot at beating out Miami and Florida wasn't getting 2 venues.
Baltimore - mentioned above - that it just wasn't gonna sell as being "DC" enough
Nashville - the killing blow was the stadium situation and it's likely feared a construction delay situation.
Cincinnati - As a Bengals fan I would have loved it for my Cincy friends but it was always a long shot to begin with and probably stayed in the mix as much to keep Kansas City for getting cute with FIFA and maybe just to be a fallback option in the Midwest in case things went sideways with KC given that Chicago out of the picture. Would have loved to have seen it.
-QG
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Was just looking around and ESPN says Dallas getting final / semis
Seattle getting 3rd place
If true...lame.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I'm not defending Foxboro as a choice. Just saying I actually think FIFA made a good call here.
And we can still have the fanzone on the Mall. Probably in a 35 degree rain, but whatev.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Man, I'm pretty bummed.
Approaching wet and bumpy level of disappointment.
Approaching wet and bumpy level of disappointment.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
The final there makes sense honestly. Massive stadium and a roof in the summer.
but the final AND semis?
The Z Machine
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Not sure if this is accurate but here's the articleThe final there makes sense honestly. Massive stadium and a roof in the summer.
but the final AND semis?
Summer in Seattle is like 80 and perfect typically but I get the big stadium and central location.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
The article also lists MetLife getting the final so it’s likely still up in the air
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
It is what the cities BID for - what they want.
A couple of them (notably SoFi) have N/A so it's not even known what games they bid for.
JerryWorld is bidding to host a semi-final or final.
FIFA is going to take it's sweet time announcing all that.
Noteworthy for the Convo - everything in the quarterfinal, semifinals, and final rounds will be in the US. So ignore the billion posts on social media about Azteca being host for the final
-QG
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Gillete, Metlife, AT&T, BC Place, Lumen FIeld and Mercedes Benz I believe all will need to be converted to grass come 2026.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
So what does the process of getting tickets look like?
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
1) Go to your bank, and withdraw your entire savings and checking accounts
2) Contact your work's 401k provider and put in a request for a hardship withdrawal of your 401k account
3) Tell your kids they have to go to public college and fund it themselves.
4) Then hope you hit a 1 in 100 type of lottery just to have the right to give your life savings over. Odds will be much steeper for "bigger" games. No idea how FIFA intends to organize this to be honest but it has typically been lottery based in the past.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I'd pay so much to see, say, the Netherlands play a 2pm game in Guatemala City, in July, in a downpour, with rings of fully armed military police around the pitch.Still bummed they aren't having El Salvador host any games - really deprives the world a true CONCACAF experience
-QG
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Yeah just based on Twitter sentiment (grain of salt being 4 years out), about 2 million people will be trying to go to each game.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Sadio Mane to Bayern a done deal for around 35MM pounds if all the incentives kick in.
Darwin Nunez to Liverpool a done deal for around 85MM pounds if all the incentives kick in.
So Liverpool let a proven player who won everything with them go, and paid 50MM pounds to replace him.
But wait.
Nunez is said to be on 140k pounds a week, while Sadio is around 340k pounds per week at Bayern. Working with round numbers here.
Nunez is under contract for 6 years, and Sadio wanted at least four.
So over the next four years, Liverpool save around 42MM pounds on salary. (52*200k*4)
And the net cost of swapping Mane out for Nunez is closer to maybe 8-10MM pounds over four years -- or around 2-3MM per year.
For those 8-10MM pounds they get a player who's playing his 23-26 year old seasons, with two more under contract (thru 28), who will presumably/hopefully still have a big exit value ahead of his 29 year old season (c.f. Mane, Sadio), instead of a player playing his 31-34 year old seasons who will have little or no value at the end of that contract.
If he does have that big value, Liverpool come out maybe 25MM pounds ahead on the deal and successfully replace Mane in the process. If he is not as good as Mane, Liverpool probably still ~break even -- but at the cost of rostering a player who's not up to it for a period of years.
So the real risk isn't financial as much as it is he's just not good in the EPL.
Darwin Nunez to Liverpool a done deal for around 85MM pounds if all the incentives kick in.
So Liverpool let a proven player who won everything with them go, and paid 50MM pounds to replace him.
But wait.
Nunez is said to be on 140k pounds a week, while Sadio is around 340k pounds per week at Bayern. Working with round numbers here.
Nunez is under contract for 6 years, and Sadio wanted at least four.
So over the next four years, Liverpool save around 42MM pounds on salary. (52*200k*4)
And the net cost of swapping Mane out for Nunez is closer to maybe 8-10MM pounds over four years -- or around 2-3MM per year.
For those 8-10MM pounds they get a player who's playing his 23-26 year old seasons, with two more under contract (thru 28), who will presumably/hopefully still have a big exit value ahead of his 29 year old season (c.f. Mane, Sadio), instead of a player playing his 31-34 year old seasons who will have little or no value at the end of that contract.
If he does have that big value, Liverpool come out maybe 25MM pounds ahead on the deal and successfully replace Mane in the process. If he is not as good as Mane, Liverpool probably still ~break even -- but at the cost of rostering a player who's not up to it for a period of years.
So the real risk isn't financial as much as it is he's just not good in the EPL.
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Tom Hagen
Footballguy
Did FIFA eliminate the option to wire the money directly to a personal account in the Caymans?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Yeah, me too. That's why I tried to figure this out.
The thing that's hard to grasp is that Nunez is making less than half what Sadio will at Bayern. Nobody at Liverpool (even VvD) makes anywhere near what Sadio makes at Bayern, and the team has repeatedly said it just can't pay that to anyone (including Salah) because the team only spends what it earns and doesn't have a sugar daddy pumping extra cash into the club.
btw... this is exactly why Salah will leave on a free next year too.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Maybe this is SOP, but I'd never heard it and it seems pretty clever...
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El Floppo
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
The General said:
Looked like Infantino had 2 more envelopes which was either finals or possible replacement cities. I don't think we'll find out anytime soon. Logistics need to be discussed and you have MLB playing in many of these cities at those times so you don't want congested traffic. I doubt Philly gets the final as they probably won't and hosting MLB All Star Game probably around the same time
DJackson10
Footballguy
The General said:
This is more of "Proposed" nothing more. Doesn't mean it'll happen
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
The 2 extra envelopes were just so odd. Were they negotiating concessions from cities down to the last minute?
Totally would be like FIFA though to just have their ridiculous show run over time so they decided to take the initiative and hold the cities wanting the final and open match hostage for money
-QG
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I am so Charlie Brown, line up the ball and I really believe I will get to kick it this time....
any chance this is real NYC guys?
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Jordan Griffith
@_JordanGriffith
Now at the point where there is enough smoke: I believe an #NYCFC stadium agreement will be made with NYC by the end of this fiscal year. Growing confidence from those around the club/city that the HRY plan will come together and be announced by Oct, maybe earlier?
any chance this is real NYC guys?
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Jordan Griffith
@_JordanGriffith
Now at the point where there is enough smoke: I believe an #NYCFC stadium agreement will be made with NYC by the end of this fiscal year. Growing confidence from those around the club/city that the HRY plan will come together and be announced by Oct, maybe earlier?
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El Floppo
Footballguy
It's just me now. But @Sammy3469 is probably still dialed into nycfc more than me.
Feels like they've been kicking around the same couple spots for a while now, needing more local support/concessions...so it possibly maybe likely kind of sort of could be happening.
El Floppo
Footballguy
At a celebrity soccer match in Miami, Pogba doing what he does.
And by "doing" I mean letting Steve Nash beat him to the ball to give up a goal. Nicely taken by Nash though
And by "doing" I mean letting Steve Nash beat him to the ball to give up a goal. Nicely taken by Nash though
titusbramble
Footballguy
Nash's brother used to play for my local team. Not quite sure how a Canadian international ended up in Stockport, but it was a thing
The Gator
Footballguy
B Maverick
Footballguy
A little bit of bragging time....
On Sundays, my sister and her husband play pickup down in San Diego. So yesterday I took my daughter and we went to play. Small goals, no keepers. Among the 18 or so players, there were several female college players and a lot of older types like myself. My daughter is 13 so the youngest by far. However, there were also two former pro mens players, one being Brian Quinn. He was a big player with the San Diego Sockers indoor teams and in the NASL. I grew up watching him with the Sockers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Quinn_(soccer)
He's still got the skills in his 60s. Anyway, he played a beauty of a pass to my daughter who finished it brilliantly. She ended up with 4 goals on the day, 2 assisted by Quinn. At one of the breaks, he was juggling with her and she was holding her own.
Not a bad little Sunday/Fathers day!
On Sundays, my sister and her husband play pickup down in San Diego. So yesterday I took my daughter and we went to play. Small goals, no keepers. Among the 18 or so players, there were several female college players and a lot of older types like myself. My daughter is 13 so the youngest by far. However, there were also two former pro mens players, one being Brian Quinn. He was a big player with the San Diego Sockers indoor teams and in the NASL. I grew up watching him with the Sockers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Quinn_(soccer)
He's still got the skills in his 60s. Anyway, he played a beauty of a pass to my daughter who finished it brilliantly. She ended up with 4 goals on the day, 2 assisted by Quinn. At one of the breaks, he was juggling with her and she was holding her own.
Not a bad little Sunday/Fathers day!
El Floppo
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Lukaku loan to Inter is complete. 8M Euro loan fee and Inter will pay whatever wages they can negotiate with him. Probably the worst transfer disaster in Chelsea history, and there have been some really really very terrible and disastrously bad ones before him.
El Floppo
Footballguy
and best/worst part- he's going to kill it for Inter.
so- do they go all in on sweet Lew?
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I do not expect Chelsea to go after Lewandowski, or at least I've heard nothing about that and certainly hope they don't. The new owners have a ton of work to do - lost a couple good centerbacks for free this month and definitely need at least one if not two good replacements; some difficult contract situations in midfield and, despite spending a fortune in attack the past 2-3 transfer windows, it still seems they need help up front. The strongest rumors right now involve Raheem Sterling, which is pretty shocking for me as he seems just like the guys they already have.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
he had a pretty cool career. Hall of Fame for Indoor Soccer. Hall of Fame for US Soccer (veterans group). Capped a healthy 48 times for the USMNT. Sadly missed out on the 1994 WC as one of the last cuts if memory serves. Very nice player.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
ok maybe he oversold this just a hair 
https://twitter.com/MattDoyle76/status/1539460332850098176?s=20&t=CnQhWEz-WbOwIbFnVUurew
https://twitter.com/MattDoyle76/status/1539460332850098176?s=20&t=CnQhWEz-WbOwIbFnVUurew
B Maverick
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Fallon d’Floor nominee.ok maybe he oversold this just a hair
https://twitter.com/MattDoyle76/status/1539460332850098176?s=20&t=CnQhWEz-WbOwIbFnVUurew
