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How is that not a clear yellow on Kompany?  Possible breakaway, clearly not playing the ball, and actually physically took him out and knocked him to the ground. 

 
Looks like FIFA is trialing a change on the "triple punishment" for denial of a clear goal scoring opportunity in the box.  Unless it's an egregious offense, (pushing or pulling, making no attempt on the ball, violent conduct, deliberate handball)  it's now a yellow card for a two year trial.

ETA:  From the article, they've also approved experiments for video review and for a fourth sub in extra time.  

That's shocking number of good decisions to come from one FIFA/IFAB conference.

 
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Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Looks like FIFA is trialing a change on the "triple punishment" for denial of a clear goal scoring opportunity in the box.  Unless it's an egregious offense, (pushing or pulling, making no attempt on the ball, violent conduct, deliberate handball)  it's now a yellow card for a two year trial.

ETA:  From the article, they've also approved experiments for video review and for a fourth sub in extra time.  

That's shocking number of good decisions to come from one FIFA/IFAB conference.
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When you say trial, will that rule be used every where or only in leagues willing to experiment?

 
Grant Wahl just compiled a long article that attempts to rank MLS teams based on ambition.

To help his judgement, he looks at youth development spending, USL spending, DP spending, stadium spending, training facility spending, ownership's stance on winning, etc etc etc.

There is a ton of good information in here.  One can certainly argue any specific position in the ranking but it is hard to argue with the general positioning.  My Revs rank dead last in this rankings and that is exactly where they belong imo.

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2016/03/04/2016-mls-ambition-rankings

 
MLS took one more small step towards transparency by expanding their roster rules and regulation public pages. 

We now know how USL players are to be handled by affiliated MLS clubs and we finally get concrete numbers on how transfer fees are handled league wide.

The league can never claim true transparency until they finally decide to list what teams have what amounts of allocation money (and list the amounts that are traded).

Here are the newly expanded rules:

http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/content/roster-rules-and-regulations

 
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looking forward to tomorow's MLS games- RB vs TFC should be a good one. Also looking forward to seeing more of RSL this year, after seeing some excitement from their attacking players in that CCL loss to the messkins.

 
NewlyRetired said:
JaxBill said:
Dortmund Bayern switched to FX
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Was it shown live?  The only station I get that I could find it on was at 7:30 last night.  Media blackout all day.

NewlyRetired said:
Such a massive game.

If Dortmund can pull off a win, they are only 2 points back of Bayern and we get to see a real title race in the Bundesliga in the home stretch.
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After the draw it's a 5 point difference with 9 matches to play.  That's more of a race that many expected.

CGRdrJoe said:
This Bayern/Dortmund game is fun :banned:
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It was fun.  Watching two teams that rely on possession fight for it and then counter attack.  Both keepers had to be on their toes.

First attempt at multiple quotes after the "upgrade".  I miss being able to drop to html and clean it up.

 
I'd be breaking things if the ref had given that weak penalty against Liverpool, but since it's Palace .....

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Kaka got hurt in training.  He will miss the home opener for Orlando and has been replaced on the Brazilian national team by Roberto Firmino.

 
Pretty even game here with Atlético at Valencia.  1-1 at the half.  Atleti gave up their first goal in a LONG time, probably close to 600 minutes. It was a nice piece of work to lay off to Cheryshev.

 
Finally a set piece goal for Atleti.  Feels like it's been ages. Fernando Torres with the goal.  He still has a useful role on this team.  He shows great work rate and solid positioning.  Very tactically aware, just lacking the acceleration and finishing that once made him so deadly.  I'll miss him next season.

And just like that he drew a red card.

 
Damn, I love me some Carrasco.  So glad he's back from injury.  Brings another dimension to the team, and really makes me forget Arda.  He and Saúl have been near revelations this season.

 
Amazing ending in the Orlando RSL game.

Orlando was losing 2-0 and they scored in the 94th and 95th minutes to pull out a very unlikely point.

 
Juan Mata has more red cards in the EPL then Diego Costa.  And that was Mata's first.  Think about that for a minute....

I hate the fact you can get booked for stopping a team from taking a quick free kick.  They didnt ask for ten, you werent purposefully standing over the ball....  But even with that Juan should have known better.  The 2nd yellow was clearly correct and a stupid play from Mata.  If he doesn't get sent off, with as bad as United looked, I dont think they lose that game in the end.  Although WBA deserved the 3 points, they were the better team.

LVG makes very little sense.  Why do you sit Schneiderlin?  He and Herrera had been forming a good partnership.  Memphis is growing in form and you sit him too?  Down a goal and you take off herrera for Scheniderlin then a defensive swap at RB?  My word.  Could have made a run at it after putting Schneiderlin in why not put Memphis in for Carrick?

You have a chance to stay 5th, close the gap on Arsenal, stay level with City with the Manchester Derby coming up and you fall flat.  And now you have Europa at Liverpool (thurs), FA Cup with 5th place West Ham (Sun), Europa vs Liverpool (Thurs) then the Derby (Sun).....

 
B Maverick said:
Juan Mata has more red cards in the EPL then Diego Costa.  And that was Mata's first.  Think about that for a minute....

I hate the fact you can get booked for stopping a team from taking a quick free kick.  They didnt ask for ten, you werent purposefully standing over the ball....  But even with that Juan should have known better.  The 2nd yellow was clearly correct and a stupid play from Mata.  If he doesn't get sent off, with as bad as United looked, I dont think they lose that game in the end.  Although WBA deserved the 3 points, they were the better team.

LVG makes very little sense.  Why do you sit Schneiderlin?  He and Herrera had been forming a good partnership.  Memphis is growing in form and you sit him too?  Down a goal and you take off herrera for Scheniderlin then a defensive swap at RB?  My word.  Could have made a run at it after putting Schneiderlin in why not put Memphis in for Carrick?

You have a chance to stay 5th, close the gap on Arsenal, stay level with City with the Manchester Derby coming up and you fall flat.  And now you have Europa at Liverpool (thurs), FA Cup with 5th place West Ham (Sun), Europa vs Liverpool (Thurs) then the Derby (Sun).....
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I think you answered your question :ptts:

 
B Maverick said:
I hate the fact you can get booked for stopping a team from taking a quick free kick.  They didnt ask for ten
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The exact rule is slightly contradictory and leaves room for referee interpretation I guess.  Here is the rule with the two key parts bolded

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Free kicks are classified into two categories: Indirect and direct. "Direct" means that a goal can be scored directly against the defending team; "Indirect" means that a goal cannot be scored unless the ball has been touched by any player in addition to the kicker before entering the goal.

For all free kicks the defending team must get and remain at least 10 yards from the ball until it is kicked. The exceptions are (1) if the attacking team decides to "quick" kick before the defenders can position themselves; or (2) if there is an indirect free kick given to the attacking team in the penalty area with the ball placed less than 10 yards from the goal line, the defenders may stand on the goal line, between the goal posts.

An indirect free kick infraction by a defender within the goal area will cause the ball to be placed on the six-yard line of the goal area nearest the spot of infraction.

Note: A defensive player who delays the taking of a free kick should be cautioned (yellow carded)

 
NewlyRetired said:
The exact rule is slightly contradictory and leaves room for referee interpretation I guess.  Here is the rule with the two key parts bolded

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Free kicks are classified into two categories: Indirect and direct. "Direct" means that a goal can be scored directly against the defending team; "Indirect" means that a goal cannot be scored unless the ball has been touched by any player in addition to the kicker before entering the goal.

For all free kicks the defending team must get and remain at least 10 yards from the ball until it is kicked. The exceptions are (1) if the attacking team decides to "quick" kick before the defenders can position themselves; or (2) if there is an indirect free kick given to the attacking team in the penalty area with the ball placed less than 10 yards from the goal line, the defenders may stand on the goal line, between the goal posts.

An indirect free kick infraction by a defender within the goal area will cause the ball to be placed on the six-yard line of the goal area nearest the spot of infraction.

Note: A defensive player who delays the taking of a free kick should be cautioned (yellow carded)
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How is that contradictory?

The rule is 10 yards - unless there is a quick kick.  Nothing allows a player, even on a quick kick, to block the kick intentionally.  If you do that - the ref is always going to go for a card.

 
NewlyRetired said:
The exact rule is slightly contradictory and leaves room for referee interpretation I guess.  Here is the rule with the two key parts bolded

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Free kicks are classified into two categories: Indirect and direct. "Direct" means that a goal can be scored directly against the defending team; "Indirect" means that a goal cannot be scored unless the ball has been touched by any player in addition to the kicker before entering the goal.

For all free kicks the defending team must get and remain at least 10 yards from the ball until it is kicked. The exceptions are (1) if the attacking team decides to "quick" kick before the defenders can position themselves; or (2) if there is an indirect free kick given to the attacking team in the penalty area with the ball placed less than 10 yards from the goal line, the defenders may stand on the goal line, between the goal posts.

An indirect free kick infraction by a defender within the goal area will cause the ball to be placed on the six-yard line of the goal area nearest the spot of infraction.

Note: A defensive player who delays the taking of a free kick should be cautioned (yellow carded)
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Wow, thats pretty bad then.  Mata didnt delay the kick, he blocked the quick kick before given time to move 10 years away.  By this it shouldnt have been booked.  Doesnt excuse his 2nd yellow, but yet again the ref showing poor judgement.

 
Sinn Fein said:
How is that contradictory?

The rule is 10 yards - unless there is a quick kick.  Nothing allows a player, even on a quick kick, to block the kick intentionally.  If you do that - the ref is always going to go for a card.
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If you dont have to give 10 yards because of a quick kick, how can blocking the kick be an infraction?  I agree that they always seem to show yellow for this, but I don't see how they can if this is the rule.  If you are walking away and they kick it into you I've seen a ref book the player too.  Seems that would be incorrect here as well.

 
B Maverick said:
If you dont have to give 10 yards because of a quick kick, how can blocking the kick be an infraction?  I agree that they always seem to show yellow for this, but I don't see how they can if this is the rule.  If you are walking away and they kick it into you I've seen a ref book the player too.  Seems that would be incorrect here as well.
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Easily.  You're delaying the taking of a free kick.  You're allowed to be within 10 yards of a quick kick.  It's not a hurry up offense drawing another offside penalty in football or something.  But you're not allowed to then prevent the free kick taker from taking the kick quickly.  That's the most common sense reading of the rule. 

 
B Maverick said:
If you dont have to give 10 yards because of a quick kick, how can blocking the kick be an infraction?  I agree that they always seem to show yellow for this, but I don't see how they can if this is the rule.  If you are walking away and they kick it into you I've seen a ref book the player too.  Seems that would be incorrect here as well.
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This is very hard on the ref.

it forces him to try and guess the players intent.  There is no way to know if a player who blocks a kick by having it hit into him did so because he positioned himself to get in the way or it happened purely by accident.

 
B Maverick said:
If you dont have to give 10 yards because of a quick kick, how can blocking the kick be an infraction?  I agree that they always seem to show yellow for this, but I don't see how they can if this is the rule.  If you are walking away and they kick it into you I've seen a ref book the player too.  Seems that would be incorrect here as well.
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Yeah - Agree about the situation where you are walking away and the player gets hit - to me that should not be a card, but I have seen it given.  But, you have to give 10 yards, and if you are not 10 yards, you need to not play the ball.  And, most of the time this happens when a player runs in front of the ball to prevent the quick kick - so they are intentionally trying to slow the play.

Did not see Mata's play though - so I don't know how blatant it was.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Easily.  You're delaying the taking of a free kick.  You're allowed to be within 10 yards of a quick kick.  It's not a hurry up offense drawing another offside penalty in football or something.  But you're not allowed to then prevent the free kick taker from taking the kick quickly.  That's the most common sense reading of the rule. 
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But why should one get a yellow if you are just running back into position and the free kick taker slams the ball into you?

I am not talking about the players who are obviously delaying the kick, those are clear yellows, but when the rule states you can be with in ten yards of the ball and it gets hit into you, it seems strange that it is also a yellow card offense.

 
NewlyRetired said:
But why should one get a yellow if you are just running back into position and the free kick taker slams the ball into you?

I am not talking about the players who are obviously delaying the kick, those are clear yellows, but when the rule states you can be with in ten yards of the ball and it gets hit into you, it seems strange that it is also a yellow card offense.
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I don't think anyone's arguing for that situation producing a yellow.  I didn't see the play, but considering that LVG called it a "stupid play" I assume Mata actively tried to impede the kick being taken quickly.  That's the situation where I've seen a yellow given.  I can't recall ever seeing one where a player just didn't retreat fast enough or had it hit him inadvertently. .  Far more often, I see players refuse to move until the referee is asked.  That largely goes unpunished, but shouldn't under the rule.

 
You can delay a free kick by...

A) not retreating the full 10 yards when given time to do so

B) intentionally blocking the kick in the event it's taken quickly and you're still within 10 yards

Not really contradictory at all -- if you intentionally interfere with a free kick it's a yellow.

On this topic... Marco Etcheverry used to routinely slam a free kick into the nut area whenever someone tried to delay his free kicks.  Most of the time it got the guy a yellow and you can imagine that guy might not be quite so excited to do it again.  Why don't more free kick takers do this?

 
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