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pretty sure he's hopping onto the dinamo atlanta united fc bandwagon... no schtick.
I don't think Liverpool will let him leave on a free.  Should be interesting to see if Atlanta can pry him away during the January transfer window.  Solid signing by Atlanta, depending on the price.  You just can't find the type of experience that Shader brings just anywhere.

I assume this will be a DP signing?

 
I don't think Liverpool will let him leave on a free.  Should be interesting to see if Atlanta can pry him away during the January transfer window.  Solid signing by Atlanta, depending on the price.  You just can't find the type of experience that Shader brings just anywhere.

I assume this will be a DP signing?
Pretty sure consultation with his Portuguese agent is mandatory, prior to any transaction...

 
You read stuff like this and it is like realizing your kid has entered his teen aged years and is no longer a baby.....

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Report: Atlanta United to sign Paraguayan playmaker for $13 million

According to Argentine journalist Gustavo Lopez, Lanús attacking midfielder Miguel Almirón will be reportedly heading to Atlanta United at the end of the calendar year.

Almirón is 23-years-old and plays primarily as a central or left sided midfielder. The speedy Paraguayan, who has been compared favorably to Angel Di Maria started his career with Club Cerro Porteño in his native country before heading to Lanús in August 2015.

Rumors in September of this year had Almirón possibly heading to Premier League giants Arsenal in a deal reportedly just over $11 million. The Arsenal approach came after Almirón debuted for Paraguay in the Copa America Centenario in the U.S. over the summer. During that negotiation, Lanús’ president said that the club wanted to keep through the end of the year at least, but they did expect that he would end up playing in Europe in the near future.

Atlanta United say that their policy is to not discuss players under contract with other clubs.

 
Real are going to have to have a crisis in order for them to lose the league title.  Neither Barça nor Atlético nor Sevilla are on their level IMO.  CL might be a different story.  I get the feeling that Simeone has Atlético focused on that competition, which is dangerous since it's such a crap shoot at the end.

 
Denver, North Carolina, Stanford and Wake Forest will play for the 2016 NCAA Division I Men's Soccer National Championship at BBVA Compass Stadium in Houston, Texas.

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Denver strikes me as a new name.  Have they ever made it this far before?

 
Duane Rollins ‏@24thminute

Three independent sources have confirmed to me that Cosmos players and staff have been told that the club is ceasing operations.

Duane Rollins–  ‏@24thminute

Also been told that the fate of the league will be decided Monday or Tuesday

 
Duane Rollins ‏@24thminute

Three independent sources have confirmed to me that Cosmos players and staff have been told that the club is ceasing operations.

Duane Rollins–  ‏@24thminute

Also been told that the fate of the league will be decided Monday or Tuesday
:(

sucks.

 
Duane Rollins ‏@24thminute

Three independent sources have confirmed to me that Cosmos players and staff have been told that the club is ceasing operations.

Duane Rollins–  ‏@24thminute

Also been told that the fate of the league will be decided Monday or Tuesday
Seems like a reasonable move that will un#### the current US soccer pyramid.

 
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Real are going to have to have a crisis in order for them to lose the league title.  Neither Barça nor Atlético nor Sevilla are on their level IMO.  CL might be a different story.  I get the feeling that Simeone has Atlético focused on that competition, which is dangerous since it's such a crap shoot at the end.
:goodposting:

Barcelona has been off all season.  Iniesta's injury has highlighted the fact that they have no one else who even approximates what he does, a deficiency that has been exacerbated by Busquets' lousy play this year.  His lousy play has also highlighted the fact that Barcelona still is shaky at center back (and has been since Puyol retired).  When the big 3 are operating at peak efficiency, these problems can be overcome.  However, Messi was out for a while, and the trident's finishing hasn't been up to their usual lethal standards.  Real isn't a super team, but they are getting the results they need in La Liga this year.  There isn't a truly great team in Europe this year, but they're strong enough to maintain this lead, especially given Barcelona's form.

 
 Real isn't a super team, but they are getting the results they need in La Liga this year.  There isn't a truly great team in Europe this year, but they're strong enough to maintain this lead, especially given Barcelona's form.
I haven't seen many games but Real seem to be on a great run under Zidane, per Squaka.

 Real Madrid are unbeaten in 33 consecutive games across all competitions: WWWWWDWWWWWWWWWWWDDDDWWWWWDWWWWWD

Goals: 93 Conceded: 30

 
:goodposting:

Barcelona has been off all season.  Iniesta's injury has highlighted the fact that they have no one else who even approximates what he does, a deficiency that has been exacerbated by Busquets' lousy play this year.  His lousy play has also highlighted the fact that Barcelona still is shaky at center back (and has been since Puyol retired).  When the big 3 are operating at peak efficiency, these problems can be overcome.  However, Messi was out for a while, and the trident's finishing hasn't been up to their usual lethal standards.  Real isn't a super team, but they are getting the results they need in La Liga this year.  There isn't a truly great team in Europe this year, but they're strong enough to maintain this lead, especially given Barcelona's form.
That said, Busquets was on point and Barcelona should have taken the three points this weekend.  Squad looks much better with Iniesta back.  Putting on Arda at the end resulted in another, typical stupid foul that cost the game.

Once again, Barcelona is having issues with Messi playing too centrally.  

 
Forster, Boruc and Stekelenberg all had comically bad moments yesterday. What do these three keepers have in common, hmm?

I thought Miki really perked up United yesterday.  :fro: might not see many minutes in his favor if I were The Special Once.

 
Forster, Boruc and Stekelenberg all had comically bad moments yesterday. What do these three keepers have in common, hmm?

I thought Miki really perked up United yesterday.  :fro: might not see many minutes in his favor if I were The Special Once.
At least it was uncharacteristic for Forster.  Boruc and Steklenberg are two of the worst GKs in a top 5 league I can think of.

Don't really see Miki and Fellaini as being in direct competition for minutes unless Jose endorses the patented David Moyes tactic of employing Fellaini as a target #10, which is still one of the weirdest things ever.  Miki seems to mostly be in competition with Mata and Rooney. 

United are playing a bit better than their results, but I think what they're really missing is a natural winger.  They have a surfeit of decent strikers who can play on the wings, but they could (ironically) use a DiMaria type.  I'm sure Jose would love Willian, but I can't imagine Chelsea letting that happen. 

 
At least it was uncharacteristic for Forster.  Boruc and Steklenberg are two of the worst GKs in a top 5 league I can think of.

Don't really see Miki and Fellaini as being in direct competition for minutes unless Jose endorses the patented David Moyes tactic of employing Fellaini as a target #10, which is still one of the weirdest things ever.  Miki seems to mostly be in competition with Mata and Rooney. 

United are playing a bit better than their results, but I think what they're really missing is a natural winger.  They have a surfeit of decent strikers who can play on the wings, but they could (ironically) use a DiMaria type.  I'm sure Jose would love Willian, but I can't imagine Chelsea letting that happen. 
Boruc once did a little minuet with Giroud that ended up so badly I almost crapped myself laughing. And yes, Ronald Koeman must be hard pressed to find a quality keeper (or worse, actually thinks Stekelenberg is good).

Ah, bringing up the unseemly DiMaria season at MU. That was just so sad. I'm so glad to see him at PSG (who are an interesting story themselves in a negative way this year).

@Kafka Is Juvie currently the only Big Five club leading its league after winning it last year?

Sorry if I interrupted MLS chat.

 
speaking of MLS chat, any idea what the forecast is for the final on Saturday... In December... in Toronto?

:whistle:

 
Boruc once did a little minuet with Giroud that ended up so badly I almost crapped myself laughing. And yes, Ronald Koeman must be hard pressed to find a quality keeper (or worse, actually thinks Stekelenberg is good).

Ah, bringing up the unseemly DiMaria season at MU. That was just so sad. I'm so glad to see him at PSG (who are an interesting story themselves in a negative way this year).

@Kafka Is Juvie currently the only Big Five club leading its league after winning it last year?

Sorry if I interrupted MLS chat.
Unfortunately, yes.

 
At least it was uncharacteristic for Forster.  Boruc and Steklenberg are two of the worst GKs in a top 5 league I can think of.

Don't really see Miki and Fellaini as being in direct competition for minutes unless Jose endorses the patented David Moyes tactic of employing Fellaini as a target #10, which is still one of the weirdest things ever.  Miki seems to mostly be in competition with Mata and Rooney. 

United are playing a bit better than their results, but I think what they're really missing is a natural winger.  They have a surfeit of decent strikers who can play on the wings, but they could (ironically) use a DiMaria type.  I'm sure Jose would love Willian, but I can't imagine Chelsea letting that happen. 
I've been hearing that for the last month with United, yet they keep slipping down the table.  Granted, I didn't watch the game yesterday as I was too angry with the LIV loss.  I think right now the pressure is getting to them, and to me that is on Mourinho.  In the League Cup and the Europa League, they've seemed ok recently.  But I think Jose and thus the team are under so much pressure to win in the league that it's affecting them in a negative way. 

He's got to figure out a way to get them to play loose and care-free and I think that team can unlock and become really good.  But now they face Tottenham, who in my opinion are a nightmare opponent for them right now.  Tott can defend and Kane is hot.  This has 2-1 Tott written all over it.  That's a result that would put Jose under immense pressure, I'd imagine. 

 
I think I asked this a while back and the answer was "hell no" - now that it's time for me to seriously follow MLS, I'll ask again.  If they grow to 32, 34, 36 (whatever) is there any chance they go to two leagues and implement promotion/relegation?

 
I think I asked this a while back and the answer was "hell no" - now that it's time for me to seriously follow MLS, I'll ask again.  If they grow to 32, 34, 36 (whatever) is there any chance they go to two leagues and implement promotion/relegation?
I don't think anyone can answer that with any certainty.  If there were ever Pro/Rel in America, I think it would be that type of "closed" Pro/Rel.  I understand that the crazy Pro/Rel advocates here find that unsatisfactory.  In truth, I think you'd have a hard time attracting new investors even under that model.  But I also have a hard time seeing MLS being able to sustain 30+ top flight teams. 

 
I think I asked this a while back and the answer was "hell no" - now that it's time for me to seriously follow MLS, I'll ask again.  If they grow to 32, 34, 36 (whatever) is there any chance they go to two leagues and implement promotion/relegation?
Interesting idea.  Ok, if you're the MLS, why not start a "MLS 2" league?  You already have your MLS with 22 teams.  Start a 2nd league, let people line up for expansion teams and start a promotion/relegation system.  

The big downside I see is the existing MLS teams signing off.  I can't imagine that the revenues for "MLS 2" would be all that great.  So if you're an existing MLS team, do you sign off on a system that could bankrupt your squad?  

 
I can't shake that Liverpool game.  What a tough loss.  I love this sport though.  

I think Liverpool are at a crossroads right now.  With a couple "easy" fixtures ahead, the opportunity is there to shake this off and quickly move on.  But the concern is that there is no depth at CB, the Coutinho injury is quite impactful, and there are a lot of fixtures coming up this month.  

In the next 30 days there are 7 premier league games.  The fixtures come fast.  This is not the time to have a downturn in form.  

I found it interesting that Klopp yesterday whisked the team off to Barcelona for a week of training.  I'd imagine he knows what's coming over the next month and he wants to get the team mentally prepared.  The last shocking result was the Burnley loss and the team responded with 2 months of exciting ball and some awesome results.  I'm hoping the same response can come from this loss.

 
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I'm crazy for a lot of reasons but not for wanting pro/rel in the U.S. We have tons of big cities and tons of rich people capable of supporting big clubs. But we need more than that, we need the people of Altoona and the hundreds of towns like it supporting their local club and dreaming of a chance to move up and play those arrogant crapheads at Harrisburg and Erie and you can't get there -- THERE being a real footy culture -- without pro/rel.

 
I think I asked this a while back and the answer was "hell no" - now that it's time for me to seriously follow MLS, I'll ask again.  If they grow to 32, 34, 36 (whatever) is there any chance they go to two leagues and implement promotion/relegation?
I can't see it happening in the next 25 years.  I won't speculate beyond that.  I just can't see enough owners willing to say "I will start in MLS 2"

Remember that we like to think that it is the American owners who like the single leagie closed model but even the MLS foreign owners love the closed model because of the finanicial security.

I just don't realistically ever see enough owners voting for this, even if they only need 50%.   If they need a 2/3rds vote, it is even less likely to find that many owners willing to make the change.  

The expansion fees would likely just drop like a stone if new teams could only get into MLS 2 imo, and that is going to be a big turn off.

 
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I'm crazy for a lot of reasons but not for wanting pro/rel in the U.S. We have tons of big cities and tons of rich people capable of supporting big clubs. But we need more than that, we need the people of Altoona and the hundreds of towns like it supporting their local club and dreaming of a chance to move up and play those arrogant crapheads at Harrisburg and Erie and you can't get there -- THERE being a real footy culture -- without pro/rel.
SUCK IT ALTOONA!

 
I'm crazy for a lot of reasons but not for wanting pro/rel in the U.S. We have tons of big cities and tons of rich people capable of supporting big clubs. But we need more than that, we need the people of Altoona and the hundreds of towns like it supporting their local club and dreaming of a chance to move up and play those arrogant crapheads at Harrisburg and Erie and you can't get there -- THERE being a real footy culture -- without pro/rel.
You have a strange definition of "need." 

 
I'm crazy for a lot of reasons but not for wanting pro/rel in the U.S. We have tons of big cities and tons of rich people capable of supporting big clubs. But we need more than that, we need the people of Altoona and the hundreds of towns like it supporting their local club and dreaming of a chance to move up and play those arrogant crapheads at Harrisburg and Erie and you can't get there -- THERE being a real footy culture -- without pro/rel.
I'm with you.  I love the idea.  I think that's how you build a soccer culture.  But how do you implement a system that other countries have had for years?  My MLS experience is 3-4 games of watching on TV so my opinion is rather irrelevant.  But now that you mention it, I do love the idea of a very deep promotion/relegation system in the US.  My hometown of 7,000 people could build a soccer club and dream of one day climbing 9 rungs, winning the CL and playing Barcelona in the World Cup.

Or at least winning the Middle Tennessee Cup.

 
Not necessary, better. And who's to say that our franchise-type leagues wouldn't have been bigger and more popular if they'd had open systems right from the start? The NFL may be a juggernaut (a creaking one) but with national league teams in every town of modest size it might have branched out and ruled the rest of the civilized world, too.

Mostly, though, it matters in an intrinsic and visceral way. It's an inclusive system where everyone gets their chance to do as well as they can and I don't know what's more American than that. :placeshandoverhearthumsstarspangledbanner:

 
 -- THERE being a real footy culture -- without pro/rel.
I am not going to argue "real" or not because that definition borders on snobbery to me, but I think if you attended games in quite a few MLS cities, you would find a very strong soccer culture.  

I think very few fans going to games in Seattle, Portland, Toronto, KC, Montreal, Orlando, Salt Lake etc are thinking, "damn, if we only had promotion relegation" we would have a real culture here.

 

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