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Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Is there an allocation order for foreign MLS vets?  I thought it was just for US internationals.
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Apparently anytime an MLS team outright sells someone to another league for more than 500K and then they want to come back (also if the are a senior USNMT abroad and an "elite" YUSMNT) , that player is included in the allocation order.  Atlanta was inserted at #1 with Minny #2...now this also says this list resets at the end of each MLS season to the order of finish ("luckily" for the FIRE that still means they will be #2 after Guzan goes to Atl) but I couldn't find anything on when the list changes.  @NewlyRetired to the white courtesy phone.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/allocation

EDIT; but based on the way these usually work, Juninho would go where-ever he wants and the teams would just trade their spots in the allocation order.  

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Columbus is poised to add two young players with Washington area ties: Junior Flores and Alex Crognale.

Flores, 20, would join the Crew on loan from Borussia Dortmund, where he is aligned with the under-23 squad in the German fourth division. Columbus would have to use its No. 5 place in the MLS allocation ranking order on the Manassas Park, Va., attacking midfielder, who, because of injuries and form, has not appeared in any BVB II matches this season.
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So it looks like the MLS hasn't updated the order on the website, but it has flipped over.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soccer-insider/wp/2016/12/13/curt-onalfo-to-coach-l-a-galaxy-and-other-mls-notes/?postshare=8271481638422747&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.fae124d8a8c5

 
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Sammy3469 said:
Apparently anytime an MLS team outright sells someone to another league for more than 500K and then they want to come back (also if the are a senior USNMT abroad and an "elite" YUSMNT) , that player is included in the allocation order.  Atlanta was inserted at #1 with Minny #2...now this also says this list resets at the end of each MLS season to the order of finish ("luckily" for the FIRE that still means they will be #2 after Guzan goes to Atl) but I couldn't find anything on when the list changes.  @NewlyRetired to the white courtesy phone.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/allocation

EDIT; but based on the way these usually work, Juninho would go where-ever he wants and the teams would just trade their spots in the allocation order.  
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The list can be updated during the season.  Pulisic was the last change I believe in September.    

 
Remember when Flores was supposed to be the next big thing? He had three assists and a goal as a 15 year old in the 2011 Nike Friendlies.  After he fell off a cliff I just assumed that El Salvador would poach him, but they don't even seem interested. 

 
I think this was discussed previously... but worth another round, IMO. from the NYTimes today. 

ugh.

Child Sexual Abuse Scandal Rocks U.K. Soccer

By KATRIN BENNHOLDDEC. 13, 2016

MARTON, England — Andrew Woodward grew up with a soccer ball between his feet. His room, in a working-class housing estate, was filled with posters of famous players and his head with dreams of becoming a defender for England. When he was 9, he scored a goal from the halfway line in a school match and raced across the field into the arms of his father, who said he was “the proudest dad in the world.”

Two years later, Mr. Woodward was spotted by Barry Bennell, a well-known soccer scout and youth coach in northern England. It was September 1984, and Mr. Bennell told Mr. Woodward’s parents that he could turn their son into a professional player. Could he come train at Crewe Alexandra, a professional club, and stay with him on weekends to improve his skills?

It would prove to be the beginning of a four-year ordeal of harrowing sexual abuse — and it has turned out not to be the only one.

After scandals in children’s homes, in the Roman Catholic Church, in the police and in the entertainment industry, where the child abuser Jimmy Savile is said to have assaulted dozens of youngsters, soccer is the latest British institution to face allegations of the sexual exploitation of children on a broad scale.

The nature and extent of the abuse has come as a shock to the country that invented modern soccer and is home to the Premier League, the richest and most widely watched league in the world. Just as troubling is the apparent reluctance at club level to act decisively to stop the abuse then, and more recently.

Two years ago, Chelsea, one of the richest clubs in the world, paid a former player, Gary Johnson, 50,000 pounds, about $63,000, in an agreement that stopped him from going public with his allegations of sexual abuse at the hands of a former Chelsea youth coach.

Four weeks ago, Mr. Woodward, who eventually became a defender for Crewe Alexandra, became the first professional soccer player to go public with his claims of abuse. Since then, at least 20 other former players have followed, and many more have contacted the police privately. A help line has fielded over 1,000 calls. At least 20 police forces across Britain have opened investigations into 83 suspects in cases involving about 350 possible victims and 98 soccer clubs from the amateur level to the Premier League.

In the words of Greg Clarke, the chairman of the Football Association, the governing body that oversees much of soccer in England, it is “one of the biggest crises” in the sport’s history, one that has left Mr. Woodward and many others who suffered at the hands of coaches and officials permanently scarred.

At first, Mr. Woodward recalled in an interview last week, the opportunity to become a professional player seemed almost too good to be true. Mr. Bennell could spin a ball on his finger, flick it off his shoulders and rest it on his neck before catching it with his heel. “Like a magician,” Mr. Woodward said. The coach’s home, an isolated cottage on the edge of the Peak District in the middle of England, was the stuff of a boy’s dreams. There was a pool table and a jukebox and a monkey that would sit on Mr. Woodward’s shoulder and eat cucumbers. Mr. Woodward said the television was the biggest he had ever seen.

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Barry Bennell in court in Jacksonville, Fla. in 1995. He served a prison sentence in the United States for raping a 13-year-old boy at a soccer camp.CreditWill Dickey/The Florida Times-Union, via Associated Press

The first time Mr. Woodward stayed at the cottage, Mr. Bennell gave him a pair of soccer cleats to keep. The second time, he asked him to come into bed and play a game he called “follow me,” where they took turns touching each other, at Mr. Bennell’s direction.

The third time, the rapes started and they continued for four years: in a bunk bed with another boy lying above; in a car on the way to training; in youth hostels during soccer tournaments; and, occasionally, in Mr. Woodward’s own house, after Mr. Bennell had eaten dinner with Mr. Woodward’s family.

When Mr. Woodward resisted, he would be dropped from the next match and made to sit on the bench. “I can ruin your football tomorrow,” Mr. Bennell would tell him, warning: “Keep quiet or you’re finished.”

Mr. Woodward did keep quiet, until 1998, when the police knocked on his door and told him that Mr. Bennell faced charges of sexual abuse. Mr. Woodward became an anonymous witness in a case in which Mr. Bennell, now 62, was sent to jail for nine years on 23 charges of sexual abuse, including buggery, against six boys. Mr. Bennell had already served a prison sentence in the United States for raping a 13-year-old boy at a soccer holiday camp, and he was convicted again as recently as 2015.

Since then, Mr. Bennell has been living under an assumed name, but he was taken back into custody after Mr. Woodward went public with his story in The Guardian, a British newspaper, on Nov. 16. Mr. Bennell now faces eight counts of child sexual assault, the Crown Prosecution Service announced last month.

For years, Mr. Bennell and other pedophilic coaches appear to have been protected by powerful individuals at the clubs where they worked.

The manager of Crewe Alexandra when Mr. Woodward was being abused, Dario Gradi, was still employed as the club’s director of football until this last weekend. Mr. Gradi was suspended by the Football Association only after another former player said that when Mr. Gradi was assistant manager of Chelsea in the 1970s, he had visited the player’s parents to smooth over the sexual advances of another youth coach, Eddie Heath. Mr. Gradi, who in 1998 was honored by Queen Elizabeth II for his services to soccer, could not be reached for comment.

In the past, when players tried to bring abuse to the attention of the soccer authorities, they found little sympathy.

The settlement between Chelsea and Mr. Johnson, who says he was also abused by Mr. Heath, who is now dead, came after Mr. Johnson tried in 2013 to tell the police and soccer authorities about the abuse, prompted by the investigation into Jimmy Savile’s actions. He was ignored every step of the way, Mr. Johnson says. Only last week did Chelsea’s leadership apologize to Mr. Johnson in person, after the club waived the condition that he remain silent.

The Heath problem has been an internal headache for Chelsea for some time, according to one lawyer familiar with the case, speaking on condition of anonymity because of a continuing investigation.

The instinct to close ranks and protect the club is one of the reasons Richard Scorer, a lawyer at Slater and Gordon who has worked on sexual abuse cases for 20 years, says he believes that the scandal in soccer will snowball. His firm represented abuse victims in children’s homes in the mid-1990s, in the Catholic Church in the late 1990s, and, more recently, Mr. Johnson. “Professional football unites all the risk factors,” he said.

Like priests, soccer coaches have easy access to children and the trust of parents. But they also have the opportunity for intimate contact with children in showers, changing rooms and on tours.

Above all, coaches have a relationship with their players characterized by what Mr. Scorer called “near absolute power.”

“They are the gatekeepers of dreams,” he said.

Mr. Bennell always had two boys to stay for the weekend and sometimes three. During the day, he played soccer with them, took them to matches and treated them to meals at McDonald’s. At night, he showed them scary movies to frighten them and then pull them close.

Mr. Bennell had a nunchaku — a weapon made of two short bars with a chain in the middle — that he liked to show off. He made the boys hold a newspaper and then split it in two with the chain. “What we have is special,” he would say. “Don’t ruin it.”

Mr. Woodward, dark-haired and introverted, was his favorite. “He would always pick the soft ones with the quiet parents who were less likely to challenge him,” Mr. Woodward recalled.

Mr. Bennell would come for dinners at his home and wink at him across the table. Sometimes he would stay over in the room next to his parents’ bedroom. Mr. Woodward’s mother would ask her son why he was so quiet when his coach visited.

When Mr. Woodward was 14, Mr. Bennell began seeing his 16-year-old sister. Two years later, he married her. It is a subject Mr. Woodward cannot bear to talk about except to say that his sister left Mr. Bennell in 1998, the year his former coach went to prison and he finally mustered the courage to tell his family about the years of abuse.

Coming forward has been a relief, said Mr. Woodward, who has been told he has post-traumatic stress disorder and who has tried to take his life several times. His soccer career ended because of recurring panic attacks on the field. “I was playing under a cloud,” he says today.

For 12 years, he worked for the police, but he was recently dismissed after a disciplinary tribunal over his having had a relationship with the adult sister of a victim of a crime.

Even now, age 43, when the soccer results are read out on the radio and his old club is mentioned, he says his stomach turns. He has never returned to Crewe, though it is less than an hour’s drive from his house.
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fwiw- cosmos buddy got back to me

"situation sucks, but we'll get through it".

sounds promising for the team to keep on keepin' on... eventually.

 
El Floppo said:
Rumor


Mexico-based journalist Alex Soliz Ramirez reported on Nov. 27 that Crew SC have made an offer to CF Monterrey left back and US international Edgar "El Homie" Castillo, who made just three appearances for Los Rayados in this year's Liga MX Apertura amid injury troubles.

omg best nickname ever.
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looks like Garza is looking to come to MLS as well.  I kind of liked Garza the few times he was healthy.

 
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Major League Soccer set a new record for MLS Cup television viewership on Saturday, the league announced on Tuesday.

More than 3.5 million viewers in the US and Canada tuned in to the Seattle Sounders’ victory against Toronto FC at BMO Field on Saturday, an increase of 177 percent over MLS Cup 2015, according to Nielsen Research.

Over 2 million people watched in the US, with 1,411,000 tuning in on FOX and an additional 601,000 viewing the match in Spanish on UniMás. Nearly as many people viewed the game in Canada, with 1,430,000 watching on TSN and another 92,000 viewing in French on RDS.

The total of 3.534 million viewers between the US and Canada is an all-time record for an MLS Cup match.

The match generated a 9.9 household rating in Seattle, meaning that 9.9 percent of all households with a TV set in the Seattle market watched Saturday’s match.

Overall, 4.2 million Canadians watched some part of Saturday’s match on TSN or RDS.  

MLS also announced that the league set new records for postseason attendance, digital audience and social media engagement in the playoffs. An all-time high of 27,790 fans per game attended the Audi 2016 MLS Cup Playoffs and MLS Cup, while the league’s online and social media channels set MLS Cup records for largest digital audience, video consumption and social media impressions.

 
### #### it!  The Revs lost the one player I did not want to see them lose.

Atlanta got a solid pick up in Loyd.  He and Parkhurst will work well together in the back.

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Expansion draft results

1. Atlanta: Montreal Impact outside back Donny Toia (24 years old, 17 league matches, 15 starts in 2016; $67,500 base salary this year)

2. Minnesota: New York Red Bulls outside back Chris Duvall* (25; 25 league matches, 20 starts; $63,000)

3. Atlanta: FC Dallas center back Zach Loyd (29; 12 league matches, 10 starts; $200,000)

4. Minnesota: Houston Dynamo center midfielder Collen Warner (28; 24 league matches, 24 starts; $146,000)

5. Atlanta: Toronto FC goalkeeper Clint Irwin (27; 19 league matches, 19 starts; $95,000)

6. Minnesota: Columbus Crew central midfielder Mohammed Saeid (25; 24 league matches, 24 starts; $110,000)
7. Atlanta: Orlando City outside back Mikey Ambrose (23; played for USL squad most of 2016; $62,500)

8. Minnesota: Real Salt Lake goalkeeper Jeff Attinella (28; four league matches, four starts; $90,000)

9. Atlanta: Sporting Kansas City goalkeeper Alec Kann (26; seven league matches, seven starts; $63,000)

10. Minnesota: New England Revolution forward Femi Hollinger-Janzen (23; 19 league matches, one start, two goals, one assist; $51,500)

*traded after the draft

 
NewlyRetired said:
### #### it!  The Revs lost the one player I did not want to see them lose.

Atlanta got a solid pick up in Loyd.  He and Parkhurst will work well together in the back.

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Expansion draft results

1. Atlanta: Montreal Impact outside back Donny Toia (24 years old, 17 league matches, 15 starts in 2016; $67,500 base salary this year)

2. Minnesota: New York Red Bulls outside back Chris Duvall* (25; 25 league matches, 20 starts; $63,000)

3. Atlanta: FC Dallas center back Zach Loyd (29; 12 league matches, 10 starts; $200,000)

4. Minnesota: Houston Dynamo center midfielder Collen Warner (28; 24 league matches, 24 starts; $146,000)

5. Atlanta: Toronto FC goalkeeper Clint Irwin (27; 19 league matches, 19 starts; $95,000)

6. Minnesota: Columbus Crew central midfielder Mohammed Saeid (25; 24 league matches, 24 starts; $110,000)
7. Atlanta: Orlando City outside back Mikey Ambrose (23; played for USL squad most of 2016; $62,500)

8. Minnesota: Real Salt Lake goalkeeper Jeff Attinella (28; four league matches, four starts; $90,000)

9. Atlanta: Sporting Kansas City goalkeeper Alec Kann (26; seven league matches, seven starts; $63,000)

10. Minnesota: New England Revolution forward Femi Hollinger-Janzen (23; 19 league matches, one start, two goals, one assist; $51,500)

*traded after the draft
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Duvall was a nice player too. that's a loss for the RBs.

but huh... Atl with 2 GKs in this. 

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Says he was traded after the draft, but I haven't seen anything about it.  Maybe he was picked and traded back?  The old Exapansion Draft ransom trick?  Irwin is expected to be traded back to TFC the same way.
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MLS = :loco:

Irwin was with TFC, not protected, drafted, and now being traded back to TFC... I assume for TAM/GAM :loco:  

 
Sammy3469 said:
https://twitter.com/JeffreyCarlisle/status/808782595425062913
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I have no idea how complete a player this guy is but he is one of the human highlight reel type players.  Tons of entertainment value to his play.

Nice age at just 24.  

It is impossible to tell how all the pieces are going to fit together but between Almiron, Romero and Villaba, they should be skillful and entertaining.

If they do sign him, all three Atlanta DP's will have been plucked from the Argentine 1st division and all 3 will be 24 or under.

 
NewlyRetired said:
I have no idea how complete a player this guy is but he is one of the human highlight reel type players.  Tons of entertainment value to his play.

Nice age at just 24.  

It is impossible to tell how all the pieces are going to fit together but between Almiron, Romero and Villaba, they should be skillful and entertaining.

If they do sign him, all three Atlanta DP's will have been plucked from the Argentine 1st division and all 3 will be 24 or under.
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In the Copa Almiron was more left side for Paraguay while Romero (before red carded) was more on the right.  

 
Sammy3469 said:
In the Copa Almiron was more left side for Paraguay while Romero (before red carded) was more on the right.  
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Both are going to be in the upper echelon of general foot skills in the entire league.  

They should be used of the intense heat that MLS can provide in the summer.  How they react to the turf is anyone's guess but really skillful players can make the surface work for them.

 
The Oscar to China rumors have been picked up by legitimate journalists. I've got an awful feeling in my gut about this. I remember my son's eyes tearing up when I told him Juan Mata was sold to United. This is going to crush him.

 
So my buddy tells me his wife surprised him with a trip for New Years....

They are going to see Chelsea v Stoke City on New Years Eve.

I'd be jealous but its just Stamford Bridge.  Ok its a trip to England to see an EPL game... I'm jealous.

 
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NewlyRetired said:
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Anyone else think all these technical midfielders are kind of a weird fit with Jones? 
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The three skillful guys can do all the work for most of the field and maybe they just want Jones to do his work near to goal.

I think one of the three latin players will be play at a withdrawn striker role underneath Jones.
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wait... which jones = jermany? is he with atlanta now? 

 
B Maverick said:
So my buddy tells me his wife surprised him with a trip for New Years....

They are going to see Chelsea v Stoke City on New Years Eve.

I'd be jealous but its just Stamford Bridge.  Ok its a trip to England to see an EPL game... I'm jealous.
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... they've never had to do a new years game vs stoke

 
El Floppo said:
:loco:  
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So you can't protect everyone.  And maybe Atlanta really likes Bloom.  But Atlanta also knows that someone would probably part with a non-protected youngster they like and maybe 50K of GAM to get a veteran GK like Irwin.  So you take Irwin and start the auction.  And you end up with the guy you like at the salary you like and some extra money to allocate anywhere on the roster.  That's how you play the game, baby. 

 
Also on Dec. 13, MNUFC turn around and trade Chris Duvall to Montreal along with general allocation money in exchange for Costa Rican international Johan Venegas.

 
B Maverick said:
So my buddy tells me his wife surprised him with a trip for New Years....

They are going to see Chelsea v Stoke City on New Years Eve.

I'd be jealous but its just Stamford Bridge.  Ok its a trip to England to see an EPL game... I'm jealous.
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Wow what a wife.   :thumbup:

If mine did that for me, I'd give her the best 15sec of her life and then likely ruin it by making her call me Diego Costa. 

 
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