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CletiusMaximus said:
$753,131.927 per week
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We never hear the NFL money talked about in weekly increments.  For whatever reason, seeing it like this just blows my mind.  

I wouldn't know what to do with all that money.

 
The Z Machine said:
Arda wasn't a great defensive winger in Cholo's system.  He was much more of a chance creator and attack facilitator.  He had plenty of stupid fouls and wasn't the best at knowing when to give the "professional" foul.  In that sense, Gabi is the consummate system player for Cholo, and many people see him and Cholo's lieutenant on the pitch.  There's a reason he's the captain.  Atleti's fortunes mimic those of  Gabi.  When he's on, Atlético can be a beast of a team to play against.  When he's off, the middle of the park gets soft and the defense gets exposed in myriad ways.  I was upset when Arda left because it removed a vital creative force for the team.  Thankfully, Carrasco has picked up that mantle, and Cholo has brought in a few others to help in that regard.
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Right.  Problem is that you cannot play in the midfield in Barcelona's 4-3-3 system without being able to track back well and tenaciously.  He's a fine player, but I just never saw the fit (particularly for the price) unless the intent to was to play him at LF/RF.  

 
The Z Machine said:
Club America looks like a steal at under $200m. They must have some serious debt.

It'd be awesome for a USian to buy Club America and stock the team with USMNT talent.
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The Forbes football club valuations should be marked, "For Entertainment Purposes Only".  To call them "estimates" is generous.

 
The Z Machine said:
Club America looks like a steal at under $200m. They must have some serious debt.

It'd be awesome for a USian to buy Club America and stock the team with USMNT talent.
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I was kind of surprised by that number too.  I know it is an old run down stadium but I guess I gave too much value to Azteca , which they own.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
The Forbes football club valuations should be marked, "For Entertainment Purposes Only".  To call them "estimates" is generous.
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I can't speak for how they value foreign clubs but I can tell you their estimates on MLS teams are generally excellent (maybe they have better access to the local data).  A few years back, they valued the Crew at $70m and the team eventually sold a couple of months after the Forbes report came out for $68m.

 
NewlyRetired said:
This is an interesting comment from Honda's agent about why they are rejecting the offers from China

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Keisuke Honda’s agent confirms the Milan midfielder rejected Chinese offers - “we definitely prefer MLS”.

“We’ve been in contact with several Chinese clubs,” Japan Yahoo Sport quotes his agent as saying.

“We declined their offers though because of the problems that Keisuke would have in adapting to China. We definitely prefer MLS.

“Keisuke isn’t playing much in Milan and he doesn’t want to lose his place in the national team.”
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No love lost between those countries.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Its no great surprise Honda would reject an offer to play in China. I'm surprised he got an offer, although "offer from China" seems to be on every agent's lips these days.
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That was kind of my thought too.  MLS has been used in the past to artificially inflate a players worth by agents and I am sure every agent out there will be using China now as the go to case for overpricing.

I assume Honda in Seattle would be a nice fit culturally.  

In terms of China, they do have an incentive to sign players from Asia in terms of their roster building so players from Japan will likely be considered.  There are 4 Japanese players in China already, none of which have Honda's pedigree.

 
So at January 1, there are 6 teams in the Premier League averaging 1.89 points/game.  Averages out to 6 teams taking 72+ points over a 38-game season.

2015-16 - 1 team
2014-15 - 3 teams
2013-14 - 5 teams
2012-13 - 5 teams
2011-12 - 2 teams
2010-11 - 1 team
2009-10 - 3 teams

Will this 6-team pace hold up? 

 
Fun fact from a random Wiki browse today:  prior to 1956, while Morocco was a Spanish colony, Atletico Tetuan was a Moroccan-based team founded by Atletico Madrid fans living in Tetuan, Morocco.  The team played in the Spanish league system, and won their Segunda division in 1950-51, meaning they were promoted to La Liga in 1951-52.  They were promptly relegated after one season, though they managed a 3-3 home draw against Real Madrid.  In 1956, Morocco gained independence and the team split in two, now playing in the Moroccan league system.  That 1951-52 team remains to this day the only team from the African mainland to ever play in a European top division.

The more you know.

 
Steve Tasker said:
So at January 1, there are 6 teams in the Premier League averaging 1.89 points/game.  Averages out to 6 teams taking 72+ points over a 38-game season.

2015-16 - 1 team
2014-15 - 3 teams
2013-14 - 5 teams
2012-13 - 5 teams
2011-12 - 2 teams
2010-11 - 1 team
2009-10 - 3 teams

Will this 6-team pace hold up? 
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It seems like the top-6 have separated a bit from the pack - but I think 1 or 2 will fall off the pace by the end of the season.

Injuries and/or other competitions will take their toll on the teams eventually.

 
ST. LOUIS -- Missouri Governor-elect Eric Greitens is standing firm on his decision to not support state funding for stadiums, including the proposed $200 million soccer stadium in downtown St. Louis.

"To be very clear, I have completely ruled out state funding for stadiums," Greitens said Monday.

Greitens, a Republican, will take office next Monday. His comments make it increasingly unlikely that a request for $40 million in tax credits for the soccer stadium project will be approved.

The investor group SC STL is seeking up to $80 million in city funding, in addition to the state tax credits, in hopes of building a stadium that will attract a Major League Soccer expansion team. A spokesman for SC STL on Tuesday declined immediate comment.

 
Real Madrid coach Zinedine Zidane has dismissed speculation that any of James Rodriguez, Alvaro Morata or Pepe will be leaving the club in January, saying all are committed to working hard at the Santiago Bernabeu.

 
NewlyRetired said:
I love the direction the league seems to be baby stepping towards in terms of trying to have a balance between the big name 30 and over players and starting to target quality, lesser known players in their prime.

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Hearing @ColumbusCrewSC will be announcing Jonathan Mensah as their new signing. 26yr old, 2x World Cup Ghana defender
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Twellman gets another one correct

COLUMBUS — Columbus Crew SC today announced that it has acquired 26-year-old Ghanaian international defender Jonathan Mensah (pronounced: Men-SAH), who joins Crew SC as a Designated Player via a Discovery Signing. Mensah is a two-time FIFA World Cup veteran who has earned 51 caps for the Ghana National Team and he most recently plied his trade with Anzhi Makhachkala in Russia’s topflight, the Russian Football Premier League.

 
unreal... rumours about next year's holiday schedules:

The run of fixtures, described by Lineker as "absolutely bonkers", kicks off on Saturday December 16, has a midweek fixture on December 20, another clash on Saturday December 23, then games on Boxing Day, Saturday December 30 and New Year's Day.
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6 games in 16 days... nice one FA.

 
I have no idea if there any meat behind this rumor but it makes a lot of sense.  The rumor is that the Tampa Bay Rowdies owner (who wants to get into MLS) has contacted David Beckham in an attempt to see if he would be interested in partnering in Tampa.  

Beckham of course still holds the golden ticket which has to expire eventually.

 
also- Chapecoense are gearing up for the new season, starting Jan 29. for now they're filled out with players on loan from all the other clubs in the league (so freaking classy/amazing), but are looking to sign 18-20 new players.

I know they're not quite in the news any more, but I'm not sure I have the heart to change Avs any time soon.

 
NewlyRetired said:
I have no idea if there any meat behind this rumor but it makes a lot of sense.  The rumor is that the Tampa Bay Rowdies owner (who wants to get into MLS) has contacted David Beckham in an attempt to see if he would be interested in partnering in Tampa.  

Beckham of course still holds the golden ticket which has to expire eventually.
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Don't think CR7 relishes the thought of living in St. Pete when he comes to MLS at 34.

 
lol... and in the whoa-amazing camp, fernandinho had his red card appeal rejected.

wait... and in the whoa-amazing camp, fernandinho and city had the audacity to appeal that red card.

 
El Floppo said:
lol... and in the whoa-amazing camp, fernandinho had his red card appeal rejected.

wait... and in the whoa-amazing camp, fernandinho and city had the audacity to appeal that red card.
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Feghouli's red is rightfully rescinded... And Mike Dean is assigned to the Tottenham v Aston Villa FA Cup tie

 
Love the rumor season.  At this point United is expected to sell Schneiderlin but sign the rest of the French National Team....

 
Sporting KC transfer news...  

Sporting KC has agreed to deals in principle with wingers Latif Blessing and Gerso Fernandes, a source told The Star. The agreements will bring both players to MLS for the first time.

Fernandes, 25, has played professionally in Portugal for six seasons. Blessing, 19, was recently named the most valuable player of the Ghana Premier League after leading the league with 17 goals.
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 Anyone know anything about these two?  Gerso is a DP from the Portuguese league.  A little surprising to see an MLS team pluck a 19yo from the Ghana Premier League.  Blessing is also on the Ghana 30-man roster for the African tourney.

 
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Poke_4_Life said:
Sporting KC transfer news...  

 Anyone know anything about these two?  Gerso is a DP from the Portuguese league.  A little surprising to see an MLS team pluck a 19yo from the Ghana Premier League.  Blessing is also on the Ghana 30-man roster for the African tourney.
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I wonder how you-know-who feels about this.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Seems like the entire MLS has been scouting Ghana.
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One of MLS many cost savings measures over the years was to have a small central scouting team that provided information to all teams.  Recently (past 5 years) many MLS teams have created their own scouting network but the core league wide group still exists for those owners too cheap to put in their own.

It would not shock me that one person in the central scouting team took a trip to Ghana this offseason seeing some of the signings and rumors.

 
Chinese Government to curb the lofty spending of Chinese soccer teams

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However the bubble may be about to burst, with China’s Sports General Administration warning clubs that the government would enact regulation to curb “excessively high incomes”.

The government will “regulate and restrain high-priced signings, and make reasonable restrictions on players’ high incomes,” a spokesperson for the SGA added, whilst China will also look to use “rules and policy levers to encourage a long-term culture of local players”.

 
NewlyRetired said:
Chinese Government to curb the lofty spending of Chinese soccer teams

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However the bubble may be about to burst, with China’s Sports General Administration warning clubs that the government would enact regulation to curb “excessively high incomes”.

The government will “regulate and restrain high-priced signings, and make reasonable restrictions on players’ high incomes,” a spokesperson for the SGA added, whilst China will also look to use “rules and policy levers to encourage a long-term culture of local players”.
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That's a delicate balance.  One of the side effects of rules favoring native-born players is inflation of their market value, which makes foreign players more cost-effective in comparison.  It's one thing for a league to enact controls like MLS has done but Chinese football is not single-entity and has relegation/promotion.  The government can restrict work permits but again, there's a risk that that will merely drive prices up for qualifying foreign players.

 
Eephus said:
That's a delicate balance.  One of the side effects of rules favoring native-born players is inflation of their market value, which makes foreign players more cost-effective in comparison.  It's one thing for a league to enact controls like MLS has done but Chinese football is not single-entity and has relegation/promotion.  The government can restrict work permits but again, there's a risk that that will merely drive prices up for qualifying foreign players.
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yeah this is not easy.  

Even though the Chinese League has promotion and relegation, so much of their funding comes from the government that you could easily consider it a different form a single entity.

 
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