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NewlyRetired said:
so two things are now left in this mess:

1) Waiting for the Ohio court to determine if Precourt is allowed to leave (Modell rule)

2) If they do end up leaving, does MLS do the right thing and leave the IP (colors, name, history etc) in Columbus to see if a San Jose like resurrection can happen.
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(2) is happening for sure.

(1) is a non-issue

Great party at our local soccer bar tonight. The Mayor and two council members showed up. Many bro hugs were given. Many tequila shots were taken. And now, we get to actually start talking about soccer instead of politics in Austin.

 
bentley said:
(2) is happening for sure.

(1) is a non-issue

Great party at our local soccer bar tonight. The Mayor and two council members showed up. Many bro hugs were given. Many tequila shots were taken. And now, we get to actually start talking about soccer instead of politics in Austin.
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Sounds... BOLD

 
NewlyRetired said:
La Liga will start using the NFL model and will be playing real league games out of the country.  Games will be played in US as part of the deal.

https://www.ft.com/content/5ce1926e-a09f-11e8-85da-eeb7a9ce36e4
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I've already seen British fans whining and yelling about this, even though it's not their country or their teams!  :lmao:

Bottom line is that this is coming and La Liga are smart to get in front of this.  

I suspect Madrid and Barca didn't lose any home games as a part of this package.  That's the big rub in the UK, losing home games.

 
El Floppo said:
In the context of the nfls one game a week, it's barely ok. With as many games as euro teams play, it's a disgusting cash grab to make the teams travel that far and deal with that much jet lag 
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There's plenty of time for travel. There's no way these games will be next to mid week games. Or do it right before or right after the winter break. International players travel for mid season games. What's the difference?

 
Sebowski said:
There's plenty of time for travel. There's no way these games will be next to mid week games. Or do it right before or right after the winter break. International players travel for mid season games. What's the difference?
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the difference is this is just for the league game. 

6 hours time difference for a normal league game. almost 9 hours flight. for a normal league game. yeah- the players are going to love that.

 
The professional game is not about the players anymore (dear germans, it's not about the fans either - suck it hippies).  It's about making money for the owners. Take it or leave it :shrug:

 
El Floppo said:
Don't disagree.

Just saying- this kind of stuff will ultimately make the product, and maybe the business, worse.
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Here is the Spanish Players Union statement:

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In reference to the agreement made between LaLiga and the company Relevent, which includes that an official league match will be played in the United States, the AFE strongly objects.

As per usual, LaLiga has dispensed with the opinions of the players and has undertaken actions that only benefit them, regardless of the health or risks to the players, and even less the feelings of the following masses of the clubs who are being "forced" to compete in North America once a season.

Faced with such manifest arbitrariness, David Aganzo, president of the Spanish Footballers Association (AFE), has made his complaint public and points out that "footballers are not currency that can be used in business to only benefit third parties."

United we are stronger.

 
it looks like the La Liga matches in the US were either pure PR or announced too early.

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La Liga games on United States soil? Not so fast

So official La Liga games are coming to the United States as soon as this season, are they? Don’t count on it.

Despite Thursday’s joint announcement by Spain’s vaunted first division – the home to global juggernauts Barcelona and Real Madrid and perhaps the best domestic soccer league in the world – and Relevent Sports, its North American marketing partner, that La Liga “plans” to play at least one official match in the U.S. or Canada every season for the next 15 years, it’s highly unlikely to happen, according to multiple sources.

“There’s no chance in hell,” one source told Yahoo Sports.

There are plenty of reasons why not. Let’s put aside for now that there’s already been public opposition from Spain’s players union. It’s also far from clear at this stage that the individual clubs are all on board.

The main hurdle La Liga and Relevant face is getting the required approval from various governing bodies at the international, regional, and national levels, starting with FIFA. As global soccer’s gatekeeper, FIFA would have to rubber-stamp any plan that would involve official matches in a country’s domestic competition to be played outside that country.

And while FIFA has allowed competitive matches to be played at neutral sites in the past, most of those have been international matches that needed to be moved because of a specific set of circumstances, such as war or natural disaster. It’s never really been done at club level for purely economic reasons.

And before you say, correctly, that money talks when it comes to FIFA, it’s hard to see the organization being swayed into setting a potentially dangerous new precedent for the relatively little money that a one-off La Liga match could generate, even in a place like Miami. Because if FIFA said yes to this proposal, what would stop Europe’s other top teams from routinely playing league games in foreign lands, diverting revenue from local clubs in the process?

And even if FIFA did greenlight the plan, others could still stop it. CONCACAF, which oversees the sport in North and Central America and the Caribbean, has the jurisdiction to say no. CONCACAF has in the past balked at the idea of teams from the English Premier League and Mexico’s Liga MX playing meaningful games on U.S. soil. Both of those circuits have since essentially abandoned the idea. UEFA, Europe’s governing body, would also have to approve any deal that involved teams from Spain or any other European country.

In the event that La Liga’s plan cleared all of those obstacles, the United States Soccer Federation, which sanctions every soccer game played within the country’s borders, would have the final say. It’s hard to see La Liga convincing the USSF that staging such a match would be in the best interests of the sport in the country.

A single match played during Major League Soccer’s offseason would have little to no impact on the USA and Canada’s top league. But what if that number grew?  It’s safe to assume that MLS, whose commissioner Don Garber has bristled at European clubs’ barnstorming summer tours before, would not be in favor of it. (An MLS spokesman declined to comment.)

But so far, that’s all hypothetical. A U.S. Soccer spokesman told Yahoo Sports that as of Thursday afternoon, no formal request to stage a competitive game between La Liga squads has been submitted to the USSF.

Still, media outlets around the world reported La Liga’s proposal as if it is a done deal. The truth is it’s a long way from happening, if it ever happens at all.

 
Bobby Madley has stepped down at age 32 as an EPL official.  Official reason is a "change in personal circumstances"

Un-official twittersphere rumor is a bit darker...

 
shader said:
I've already seen British fans whining and yelling about this, even though it's not their country or their teams!  :lmao:

Bottom line is that this is coming and La Liga are smart to get in front of this.  

I suspect Madrid and Barca didn't lose any home games as a part of this package.  That's the big rub in the UK, losing home games.
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When Philly found out the Eagles might be playing in London this year the biggest concern here was Eagles losing the home game. After we found out we were playing the Jags and they were losing the Home Game a lot of Eagles fans were incredible happy. The UK Eagles fans seemed fairly happy about the team coming over as well. I think if the Eagles lost a home game there'd be a very different reaction. The good thing in the NFL is most of the teams losing a Home game are teams that have poor attendance or have been pretty bad. The NFL isn't stupid enough to make a team like NE or GB lose a Home Game out of this 

 
El Floppo said:
In the context of the nfls one game a week, it's barely ok. With as many games as euro teams play, it's a disgusting cash grab to make the teams travel that far and deal with that much jet lag 
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Plus you don't get bye weeks like the NFL. At least if you play in London you are off from playing the next week. 

 
In Europa League competition today, the following happened.

Dinamo Minsk beat Zenit St. Petersburg 4-0 last week in leg 1.  Today, Zenit came back 4-0 in regulation to make the aggregate 4-4.

In extra time, Minsk scored in the 99th minute, but Zenit scored in the 109th.  Minsk is away, so they are up.  I hope to find video of what happened after that, because Zenit scored three times in the next 11 minutes to win 8-5 on aggregate.  Zenit's last goals happened at 115 a pk, 120+2 another pk, and 120+3.  I'm thinking it got ugly.

Zenit had a player sent off in the 72nd minute (meaning they scored 4 goals while playing with 10), and Minsk had a player sent off at 120+1.

 
Mjolnirs said:
In Europa League competition today, the following happened.

Dinamo Minsk beat Zenit St. Petersburg 4-0 last week in leg 1.  Today, Zenit came back 4-0 in regulation to make the aggregate 4-4.

In extra time, Minsk scored in the 99th minute, but Zenit scored in the 109th.  Minsk is away, so they are up.  I hope to find video of what happened after that, because Zenit scored three times in the next 11 minutes to win 8-5 on aggregate.  Zenit's last goals happened at 115 a pk, 120+2 another pk, and 120+3.  I'm thinking it got ugly.

Zenit had a player sent off in the 72nd minute (meaning they scored 4 goals while playing with 10), and Minsk had a player sent off at 120+1.
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Minsk score 4-1, 4-5 on aggregate 99th

Zenit equalize, but trail on away goals 5-1 108th minute

Zenit 6-1 - 115 pen - a little cheap at that stage of the match, but it was a shove

Zenit 7-1 (and pen call - 2nd yellow for red)

Zenit 8-1

 
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Milan have reached an agreement with Lazio to sign Milinkovic-Savic on loan for €40M with option to buy, according to Il Sole 24 ORE

Meanwhile, Milannews.it claim that Milan’s transfer market for incoming players is closed. Some details remain for few minor sales

Milan also have a medical schedule at their La Moddinna clinic tomorrow on deadline day 

Milan Genoa as well as Sampdoria's match have been post poned on Sunday do to the Genoa Bridge collapse. Traffic is clogged up and the bridge could collapse further as well as residents not allowed in their homes closes to the bridge. No make up date has been announced. This postponement means Gonzalo Higuan Milan Debut will be against Former Club Napoli in 9 days. 

 
Sinn Fein said:
I think you are barking up the right tree.
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Always struck me as a different breed from most referees.

ETA:  fun and games aside, hopefully he doesn't have a dread disease.  Powering up the rumor mill on top of something life-threatening would be a bitter pill.

 
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Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Always struck me as a different breed from most referees.

ETA:  fun and games aside, hopefully he doesn't have a dread disease.  Powering up the rumor mill on top of something life-threatening would be a bitter pill.
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It was a really odd way to phrase his departure - but I agree with you. 

 
NewlyRetired said:
As per usual, LaLiga has dispensed with the opinions of the players and has undertaken actions that only benefit them, regardless of the health or risks to the players, and even less the feelings of the following masses of the clubs who are being "forced" to compete in North America once a season.
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:goodposting:  

 
Also, where is the streaming place to watch La Liga this year?  Preferably the English BeIN Sports feed.  

 
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El Floppo said:
the difference is this is just for the league game. 

6 hours time difference for a normal league game. almost 9 hours flight. for a normal league game. yeah- the players are going to love that.
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:cryingface:

 
El Floppo said:
Don't disagree.

Just saying- this kind of stuff will ultimately make the product, and maybe the business, worse.
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This is like Mourhino #####ing about the preseason tours. You're underestimating the impact of growing the business by playing over here, and overestimating the impact it will have on players' health. 

 
DJackson10 said:
Plus you don't get bye weeks like the NFL. At least if you play in London you are off from playing the next week. 
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Yes they do. International and winter breaks. They can also adjust the schedule better accommodate the teams that travel. Move midweek games, etc... What do you think takes a bigger toll on a body: playing 3 games in 10 days like they do a few times every season, or playing 3 times in 3 weeks with a couple longer flights mixed in? I'll take the flights. 

 
Sebowski said:
I love it. Hope I can watch Barça in a meaningful game as many times as possible before I die. This makes it much easier. And I see zero negatives. 
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We agree about the bold at least. 

I don't understand how flying overseas in a week doesn't effect health of players or quality of the games.  International players always struggle with it on the breaks for their national teams. 

I also hate Thursday night football.  Get off of my lawn.

 
NewlyRetired said:
it looks like the La Liga matches in the US were either pure PR or announced too early.

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La Liga games on United States soil? Not so fast

So official La Liga games are coming to the United States as soon as this season, are they? Don’t count on it.

Despite Thursday’s joint announcement by Spain’s vaunted first division – the home to global juggernauts Barcelona and Real Madrid and perhaps the best domestic soccer league in the world – and Relevent Sports, its North American marketing partner, that La Liga “plans” to play at least one official match in the U.S. or Canada every season for the next 15 years, it’s highly unlikely to happen, according to multiple sources.

“There’s no chance in hell,” one source told Yahoo Sports.

There are plenty of reasons why not. Let’s put aside for now that there’s already been public opposition from Spain’s players union. It’s also far from clear at this stage that the individual clubs are all on board.

The main hurdle La Liga and Relevant face is getting the required approval from various governing bodies at the international, regional, and national levels, starting with FIFA. As global soccer’s gatekeeper, FIFA would have to rubber-stamp any plan that would involve official matches in a country’s domestic competition to be played outside that country.

And while FIFA has allowed competitive matches to be played at neutral sites in the past, most of those have been international matches that needed to be moved because of a specific set of circumstances, such as war or natural disaster. It’s never really been done at club level for purely economic reasons.

And before you say, correctly, that money talks when it comes to FIFA, it’s hard to see the organization being swayed into setting a potentially dangerous new precedent for the relatively little money that a one-off La Liga match could generate, even in a place like Miami. Because if FIFA said yes to this proposal, what would stop Europe’s other top teams from routinely playing league games in foreign lands, diverting revenue from local clubs in the process?

And even if FIFA did greenlight the plan, others could still stop it. CONCACAF, which oversees the sport in North and Central America and the Caribbean, has the jurisdiction to say no. CONCACAF has in the past balked at the idea of teams from the English Premier League and Mexico’s Liga MX playing meaningful games on U.S. soil. Both of those circuits have since essentially abandoned the idea. UEFA, Europe’s governing body, would also have to approve any deal that involved teams from Spain or any other European country.

In the event that La Liga’s plan cleared all of those obstacles, the United States Soccer Federation, which sanctions every soccer game played within the country’s borders, would have the final say. It’s hard to see La Liga convincing the USSF that staging such a match would be in the best interests of the sport in the country.

A single match played during Major League Soccer’s offseason would have little to no impact on the USA and Canada’s top league. But what if that number grew?  It’s safe to assume that MLS, whose commissioner Don Garber has bristled at European clubs’ barnstorming summer tours before, would not be in favor of it. (An MLS spokesman declined to comment.)

But so far, that’s all hypothetical. A U.S. Soccer spokesman told Yahoo Sports that as of Thursday afternoon, no formal request to stage a competitive game between La Liga squads has been submitted to the USSF.

Still, media outlets around the world reported La Liga’s proposal as if it is a done deal. The truth is it’s a long way from happening, if it ever happens at all.
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So in summary: you guys are on FIFA's side. FIFA's. What does that tell you? 

 
Slapdash said:
We agree about the bold at least. 

I don't understand how flying overseas in a week doesn't effect health of players or quality of the games.  International players always struggle with it on the breaks for their national teams. 

I also hate Thursday night football.  Get off of my lawn.
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I hate Thursday football too. NFL needs 2 bye weeks. One of those for each team should precede their required Thursday game. 

 
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