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CletiusMaximus said:
I don't understand #1.  What are they talking about - a deflection off a defender's hand?

I'm sure I'm missing something here: "It will be significant as we will no longer see a goal scored hitting the arm."  WTF?
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I immediately think Henry in WCQ. but like you, not sure what theyre talking about otherwise- if it's a handball, it's a handball- not a goal. 

 
El Floppo said:
I immediately think Henry in WCQ. but like you, not sure what theyre talking about otherwise- if it's a handball, it's a handball- not a goal. 
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#1 got confusing with the explanation.  I thought I understood it until this line

""There will still be the arm close to the body that will hit the arm and the referee will deny a penalty."

I might be reading the word "penalty" too strictly.   Did the explanation mean free kick instead?  I was reading this as an offensive player in the offensive box using his hands.  No penalty kick can be given in that case.  Only a free kick.

 
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*There were also some changes to the drop ball rule including one where a drop ball will occur if a ref gets hit with the ball.

*There was one small change IFAB listed that was not in the article I copied.   GK's now only need to have one foot on the line for pk's.

*Also, the rule change we discussed earlier about the ball not having to leave the penalty area at goal kicks and defending team free kicks in the penalty area was ratified as well.

 
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NewlyRetired said:
after lots of rumors, these are the 5 rule changes ratified by IFAB this weekend.

I am bummed that some will lower scoring, albeit microscopically. 

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1. Accidental handball goal won't stand
Goals scored which have hit a player's hand, deliberate or not, will no longer stand.

Gallagher said of the change: "It will be significant as we will no longer see a goal scored hitting the arm.

"80 per cent of the handballs that referees give are not deliberate, but because a player gains a material advantage. Taking the word deliberate out will eradicate that."

Some ambiguity remains and Gallagher added: "We will still have the problem of asking 'has he made himself bigger, has he put his arms in an unnatural position?'

"There will still be the arm close to the body that will hit the arm and the referee will deny a penalty."
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I quoted you just so we'd have this up on the current page.

"deliberate or not". not like refs have had access to lie-detectors and the spanish inquisition to determine whether it was deliberate or not.

the handball thing is really about natural vs un-natural position, IMO. if the hand/arm is out there away from the body (even though it often is when you jump or run since most people don't do those things po-go style) and the ball hits it... handball. if the hands/arms are tight to the body- no handball. irish dancing is ok, scottish dancing not so much.

 
NewlyRetired said:
*There were also some changes to the drop ball rule including one where a drop ball will occur if a ref gets hit with the ball.

*There was one small change IFAB listed that was not in the article I copied.   GK's now only need to have one foot on the line for pk's.

*Also, the rule change we discussed earlier about the ball not having to leave the penalty area at goal kicks and defending team free kicks in the penalty area was ratified as well.
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:thumbup:

 
Tigres fans have purchased a huge amount of tickets in Houston's home leg.  This was already going to be tough for Houston but two effective away game makes it almost impossible.

 
Both Milan's have agreed to build a new stadium together and keep the San Siro name

According to Repubblica, Inter and Milan have decided to build a new stadium together rather than renovate the San Siro. The only thing missing is the final confirmation to the city of Milan.
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Milan has completely embraced the idea of the new stadium, and the mayor of Milan Beppe Sala is convinced. It was Paolo Scaroni Who accelerated for this futuristic stadium, which would be an investment of €600 million, like Real Madrid’s redo of the Bernabeu.
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The name of the stadium will still be the San Siro which will be key to financing the costs as the naming rights would have a minimum value of €25 million a year.
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The stadium would be built on the current municipal area of the parking lots, where 2 companies will be hired for the demolition.
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The project will be the most innovative in Europe. A delegation from the Milan management, including CEO Ivan Gazidis were in the US in recent days accompanied by Goldman Sachs, the consultants of the financial coverage of the operation, looking at modern stadium models.
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The ultramodern stadiums visited are the MetLife stadium in New York and the Mercedes Benz Arena in Atlanta, Which has the largest retractable rooftop in the world. The MetLife stadium is managed by 2 clubs, a model for the future San Siro
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Milan and Inter’s new stadium will have a capacity of 60,000 seats, with a close range compared to the 3 rings of the 80,000 capacity of the current San Siro.
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The decision to build from scratch, would avoid the problems caused by a renovation during the season, with reduced capacity, safety problems, and slowing down of the construction.
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During the construction of the new San Siro, matches will be played at the current San Siro. The 60,000 capacity of the new San Siro meets the requirements to host UEFA finals.
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The entrances to the new San Siro will be separated for the 2 teams according to the modular concept, skybox and entertainment parts modeled according to which team plays and the needs of sponsors or collateral events.
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The new San Siro stadium is viewed by Elliott as a fundamental asset to get closer to the top European clubs. The acceleration stems from the awareness that Juventus has climbed the financial heirarchies of European football.
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DJackson10 said:
The name of the stadium will still be the San Siro which will be key to financing the costs as the naming rights would have a minimum value of €25 million a year.
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If the name of the stadium is going to be San Siro, are we looking at a combination of San Siro with a sponsors name?

 
Sounds about right, but KC can't fall asleep in Panama like TFC did

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Jacob Beckett‏ @jacobbeckett22 1h1 hour ago

Updated odds to advance in the CCL, according to the Elo ratings 

Monterrey: 57% Atlanta: 43%

Independiente: 20% Sporting KC: 80%

Houston: 20% Tigres: 80%

New York Red Bulls: 44% Santos Laguna: 56%

 
NewlyRetired said:
If the name of the stadium is going to be San Siro, are we looking at a combination of San Siro with a sponsors name?
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Name will stay San Siro. When AC Milan play the stadium is usually referred to San Siro and when Inter Milan Giuseppe Meazza Stadium since Meazza was more of a Inter player then Milan player. It sounds like there maybe be interchanging video LED boards to change sponsors for matches depending which Club is playing too or something that makes it easy to change from match to match and who ever is home or away. The Stadium was originally San Siro. It's Milan's home Stadium but the City municipal like most Italian Club stadiums own it. Inter pay rent to play in it but technically so do Milan. 

and according to other articles shops and other stuff will be built around it similar to what Barbra Berlusconi a few yrs proposed for a new AC Milan Stadium. This article from the Inter blog says a 5K concert seat will also be built in the area and most articles stating the Now standing Stadio will be demolished most likely turned into parking lost by the new project or perhaps used for the project itself. 

New San Siro by 2023

 
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NewlyRetired said:
If the name of the stadium is going to be San Siro, are we looking at a combination of San Siro with a sponsors name?
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It's been a long standing issue on both sides. The San Siro was recently renovated to fit the new UEFA guidelines to host the Finals a few yrs ago when I believe Athletico won vs Real the was final. However Inter and AC have been wrestling over what to do. Create two new stadiums totally owned by the clubs, one club moves out and other club buys San Siro (Most likely AC since it is there's first), make a new stadio together, renovate The San Siro to newer standards. etc. 

 
El Floppo said:
I've never heard of him. now I have... hope all that money pays off for them.
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I have never heard of him either but the sport is simply too big to track players.  Look at Mitrita for NY.  I never heard of him either and with his first couple of touches you could see how good he was.

Or a better example might be how few German's ever heard of Tyler Adams before he went over this winter.

 
NewlyRetired said:
I have never heard of him either but the sport is simply too big to track players.  Look at Mitrita for NY.  I never heard of him either and with his first couple of touches you could see how good he was.

Or a better example might be how few German's ever heard of Tyler Adams before he went over this winter.
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the TFC player at least was coming from a big club, so chances are ok that we'd have at least heard his name. Mitri was a big fish in a tiny pool/pond... not like anybody outside of @Ned's Mom follows Universitatea Craiova. but it's a good comparison to adams- mitri is apparently on the romanian national team, so I'm sure he's got people like Sebowsicescu and Ramocea Hontu Experience salivating over him on the Pomana porcului Guys website.

 
El Floppo said:
the TFC player at least was coming from a big club, so chances are ok that we'd have at least heard his name.
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I am not sure Genk is considered a big club, but I guess that depends on the definition.  Part of it is how little exposure we have in the US to the Belgium league, at least for me.

 
El Floppo said:
the TFC player at least was coming from a big club, so chances are ok that we'd have at least heard his name. Mitri was a big fish in a tiny pool/pond... not like anybody outside of @Ned's Mom follows Universitatea Craiova. but it's a good comparison to adams- mitri is apparently on the romanian national team, so I'm sure he's got people like Sebowsicescu and Ramocea Hontu Experience salivating over him on the Pomana porcului Guys website.
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:clap:

 
NewlyRetired said:
I am not sure Genk is considered a big club, but I guess that depends on the definition.  Part of it is how little exposure we have in the US to the Belgium league, at least for me.
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Not a huge club, but a pretty good youth program - DeBruyne, Courtois, Benteke, Origi - probably a few others.

 
El Floppo said:
I immediately think Henry in WCQ. but like you, not sure what theyre talking about otherwise- if it's a handball, it's a handball- not a goal. 
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Here's a (only) slightly better explanation:

On the topic of defining handball, a decision was taken by The IFAB to provide a more precise and detailed definition for what constitutes handball, in particular with regard to the occasions when a non-deliberate/accidental handball will be penalised. For example a goal scored directly from the hand/arm (even if accidental) and a player scoring or creating a goal-scoring opportunity after having gained possession/control of the ball from their hand/arm (even if accidental) will no longer be allowed.
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It seems a better explanation (which was hinted at in the prior one) is they are simply removing the notion that a handball has to be "deliberate."  I think the references specifically to goals or penalties was what confused things.  Its still confusing, but only slightly less so.  The language I read suggests perhaps this new rule will only apply in the penalty area?

 
Chelsea FC and the NE Revolution finalized the date for their previously-announced "Final Whistle on Hate" game.  Both owners (Kraft and Ambramovic) have pledged a significant donation to certain antisemitism causes, as well as all match proceeds.

https://twitter.com/NERevolution/status/1102660263566893062

This game is set for May 15 at Gillette Stadium. Chelsea's last league game is May 12. If Chelsea are still playing in the Europa League, they'll have a semi-final on May 9th and (if they win, which is seemingly highly unlikely given recent form) the final will be May 29 in Azerbaijan.

 
well this is strange.  IFAB is now saying the reporters screwed up the PK change (which was not even on the table according to IFAB).  I wonder how this got reported wrong by so many in the media?

The IFAB‏Verified account @TheIFAB

!Clarification! Contrary to some incorrect reports in the media related to the penalty kick procedure (Law 14), the ball will remain in play in the event of a penalty kick rebounding from the goalkeeper, crossbar or goalposts. This matter was not even discussed at the last AGM

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Here's a (only) slightly better explanation:

It seems a better explanation (which was hinted at in the prior one) is they are simply removing the notion that a handball has to be "deliberate."  I think the references specifically to goals or penalties was what confused things.  Its still confusing, but only slightly less so.  The language I read suggests perhaps this new rule will only apply in the penalty area?
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Gotcha. So the new rule calls for refs to call hand ball when it's a handball. Glad this was finally ratified.

 
NewlyRetired said:
well this is strange.  IFAB is now saying the reporters screwed up the PK change (which was not even on the table according to IFAB).  I wonder how this got reported wrong by so many in the media?

The IFAB‏Verified account @TheIFAB

!Clarification! Contrary to some incorrect reports in the media related to the penalty kick procedure (Law 14), the ball will remain in play in the event of a penalty kick rebounding from the goalkeeper, crossbar or goalposts. This matter was not even discussed at the last AGM
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THat's good also 

Union acquire midfielder Jamiro Monteiro on loan

 
Bonzai said:
Yeah, I don't get it.
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I can honestly see not calling him as of now.   His production is way down.  He could end up this year with the least goals in his career.  

But what I don't get is what do you gain by shutting the door completely on ever calling him again?  

 
NewlyRetired said:
he is only 29.  It is really early to cut some one like him out.  Klosse helped Germany into his mid 30's.
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Bonzai said:
Yeah, I don't get it.
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It is an odd move.  Müller is 29, Boateng and Hummels are both 30.  They all still have good years ahead of them, and would be good leadership for the younger players.

But, I can understand Löw's desire to make changes.  With how they performed in Russia, and their "relegation" in the UEFA Nations League, I imagine the pressure is seriously mounting.
Germany needs a good performance in qualifying for Euro 2020, actually qualifying, AND a good showing for Löw to survive.  Failure at any of that and he would be gone.  After that, if he wants to get back to where Germany belongs for Qatar, he needs to start grooming players now.  These three would be 32, 33 and 33 by then ... not old, but on the edge of it for the sport at that level.

 
I love Muller, but honestly, his best days are behind him.  It's not surprising to see him left off as Germany is absolutely loaded with attacking midfielders.  This Kai Hervetz on Bayer Leverkusen is going to be something special too.  Germany also has plenty of leadership - I mean Toni Kroos is still going to be running the show I suppose, but Low got a bit of criticism in his last team selections opting for older guard players and leaving out the likes of most noticeably Leroy Sane.

As far as Boateng and Hummels, well, obviously they are both still solid club players, but injuries and lack of pace really are the rub on them.  I am surprised dropping both however, but again Germany not exactly cupboards empty in cb's.  

And put me solidly in the camp that Timo Werner is not the answer.  He's not even the best striker on his club as Poulson is twice the player.  Striker is going to be an issue in my eyes for Germany for the next few years.  Reason why Gomez was kept around so long is that he produces :shrug:   He still does to this day.  Germany has plenty on the attack for sure - just not a pure #9 right now.

 
charvik said:
What did he do?
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Told Mike Dean to #### off - or words to that effect - after the Burnley match.

It was a double hit - Poch was pretty vocally arguing with Dean right after the match, presumably about Burnley's first goal - should have been goal kick instead of corner.  Then after Poch and his staff walked away - Dean said something to Poch, and Poch and both assistants immediately turned around and got in his face again.  No clue on what Dean said - but I am guessing it was pretty harsh to get the immediate reaction from Poch and staff.

Dean was pulled from the Spurs-Arsenal match, where he was supposed to be the 4th official.  So, silver lining might be that Spurs don't have to deal with Dean for the rest of the season.

Two game ban seems rather harsh - given the public apology by Poch, and accepting the charges.  But, its a little more than a slap on the wrist.  Poch is still permitted to communicate with his coaches during the match, and can give pre- and half-time talks to the players.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Two game ban seems rather harsh - given the public apology by Poch, and accepting the charges.  But, its a little more than a slap on the wrist.  Poch is still permitted to communicate with his coaches during the match, and can give pre- and half-time talks to the players.
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I mean, Beisla apologized for spying :shrug:  

 
Sinn Fein said:
Told Mike Dean to #### off - or words to that effect - after the Burnley match.

It was a double hit - Poch was pretty vocally arguing with Dean right after the match, presumably about Burnley's first goal - should have been goal kick instead of corner.  Then after Poch and his staff walked away - Dean said something to Poch, and Poch and both assistants immediately turned around and got in his face again.  No clue on what Dean said - but I am guessing it was pretty harsh to get the immediate reaction from Poch and staff.

Dean was pulled from the Spurs-Arsenal match, where he was supposed to be the 4th official.  So, silver lining might be that Spurs don't have to deal with Dean for the rest of the season.

Two game ban seems rather harsh - given the public apology by Poch, and accepting the charges.  But, its a little more than a slap on the wrist.  Poch is still permitted to communicate with his coaches during the match, and can give pre- and half-time talks to the players.
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Sic 'em, Poch!

 
Sinn Fein said:
Told Mike Dean to #### off - or words to that effect - after the Burnley match.

It was a double hit - Poch was pretty vocally arguing with Dean right after the match, presumably about Burnley's first goal - should have been goal kick instead of corner.  Then after Poch and his staff walked away - Dean said something to Poch, and Poch and both assistants immediately turned around and got in his face again.  No clue on what Dean said - but I am guessing it was pretty harsh to get the immediate reaction from Poch and staff.

Dean was pulled from the Spurs-Arsenal match, where he was supposed to be the 4th official.  So, silver lining might be that Spurs don't have to deal with Dean for the rest of the season.

Two game ban seems rather harsh - given the public apology by Poch, and accepting the charges.  But, its a little more than a slap on the wrist.  Poch is still permitted to communicate with his coaches during the match, and can give pre- and half-time talks to the players.
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Right?  Its not like he assaulted an innocent water bottle

 
The thing I love about Pochettino is he always seems relatively calm and composed on the sidelines.  But obviously he has a temper and I had no idea he was top ten all time in red cards in La Liga and I think highest ratio of reds/games played or some such nonsense.

 
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Jaysus said:
Sinn Fein said:
Two game ban seems rather harsh - given the public apology by Poch, and accepting the charges.  But, its a little more than a slap on the wrist.  Poch is still permitted to communicate with his coaches during the match, and can give pre- and half-time talks to the players.
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I mean, Beisla apologized for spying :shrug:  
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at least he didn't run onto the middle of the field in celebration- that brings the hammer down.

 
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