roadkill1292
Footballguy
I'm here (though these kinds of suspicions about me getting bounced are always warranted). Why do we think somebody's been red carded?
Oh, Popeyecon?
Last edited by a moderator:
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
***Official Soccer Discussion Thread*** (7 Viewers)
- Thread starter Ramsay Hunt Experience
- Start date
Oh, Popeyecon?
drunken slob
Footballguy
That PSF can be a dangerous place. Hell, I've seen accounts that I would never think to receive a Rojo Direct catch one over there
Rodrigo Duterte
Footballguy
Just stepped in to say every time I see the username "drunken slob" I crack up. Well done.
whoa, this kinda makes sense.... which means it will never happen: Fifa proposes use of five substitutions to help with fixture congestion
Last edited by a moderator:
El Floppo
Footballguy
France PM announces no soccer until September - even behind closed doors.
All eyes in England will be on Germany - and if they are able to successfully re-start Bundesliga behind closed doors. PL desperately wants to re-start behind closed doors to recapture the lost revenue - but I am sensing a lot of resistance among fans who feel that supporters in the stadium are as important as players on the field.
All eyes in England will be on Germany - and if they are able to successfully re-start Bundesliga behind closed doors. PL desperately wants to re-start behind closed doors to recapture the lost revenue - but I am sensing a lot of resistance among fans who feel that supporters in the stadium are as important as players on the field.
I suspect Spurs and Liverpool supporters are sort of united here - depending on how the CL slots are aligned.
If the season is canceled - Spurs are out - obviously. But, if you give them 9 games, with everyone back healthy - they have a shot to move up.
But, a lot of people don't want empty stadiums (and I expect that includes Liverpool fans) - and teams still want to have some home field advantage (and for teams like Arsenal to have to actually play on the road.) Arsenal would probably feel at home in any empty stadium.
shader
Footballguy
If the season is cancelled and deemed “void”, wouldn’t Spurs get CL next season? Maybe that void is not a legitimate concern, but LFC fans are paranoid about that sequence of events happening.
A couple of points - no self-respecting non-Liverpool fan will ever recognize the title for Liverpool this season. And, second, UEFA wants a sporting merit-based reason for teams in next year's competition - which either means, the current standings, or some variation like PPG - neither of which favor Spurs.
Best solution - cancel CL and Europa for next season, void last season, and have the teams/leagues start fresh in September. Top leagues in each country should then kick in some extra money to the lower leagues next year to compensate for teams that were not promoted.
shader
Footballguy
You’ve been reading too many Spurs blogs.
I don’t see how you can void a season with 30 games already having been played. Is there any sporting historical precedent for that? Shorten, yes. Asterisk, as tough as that is, fine. But void it?
IMO that would lead to a nightmare scenario. If the season didn’t count, do any records count? Does the season count towards players contracts? Will TV companies demand their money back for a season that didn’t count? Will fans do the same?
I realize there are difficulties down every path, and I totally get that as an lfc fan, my opinion is heavily biased, but I just don’t see how you can void a season.
shader
Footballguy
Imo the big issue here is that contracts typically expire June 30. Fifa needs to step in and say that the 2019-2020 season hasn’t ended yet and that all free agency won’t happen until the season is over. Then these leagues can push the conclusion until August/September, finish the season, take a 2 week break and start the season in Oct or Nov.
If you have to cancel the Carabao, and all International friendlies, do that. But how on earth do you void a season? A fundamental rule in sports is that a game played, counts.
If you have to cancel the Carabao, and all International friendlies, do that. But how on earth do you void a season? A fundamental rule in sports is that a game played, counts.
You have to void imo.
Its a league based on the parity of the schedule - every team plays every other team home and away. Any shortening of that schedule gives teams an unfair advantage - really relevant when it comes to the top-4, and bottom-3.
Leagues have already been voided - The 2019-20 season in the Netherlands has been canceled due to the coronavirus pandemic, with leaders Ajax denied the league title and no relegation from the Eredivisie and no promotion from the second tier.
I think the French League is the first among the big-5 to cancel - but that is not official yet (I don't think).
It would not be FIFA (or UEFA) who can do that - these are contracts between teams and players. Governments (or quasi-governments) can't step in and unilaterally change the terms of the contracts.
That is a legal quagmire no team/league/confederation wants to deal with. Players who are out of contract on June 30 will be free to leave.
Fifa's chief doctor has warned against restarting the interrupted 2019-20 campaign and suggested governing bodies prepare for action next season instead.
Michel d'Hooghe said "as a doctor" he would be "sceptical" about continuing leagues amid the coronavirus pandemic.
The chair of Fifa's medical committee told BBC Sport: "My proposal is if it is possible, avoid playing competitive football in the coming weeks.
"Try to be prepared for the start of good competition next season."
European leagues have until 25 May to tell European governing body Uefa whether they want to complete or cancel their seasons.
"There is a risk and it is not a risk that has small consequences," continued D'Hooghe.
"It can have consequences of life and death and that is why I am so careful and I ask everyone to be very careful before deciding to play again.
"I speak as a medical doctor, I don't have to speak as an organiser of matches, but for the moment from my medical standpoint I would be very sceptical."
Michel d'Hooghe said "as a doctor" he would be "sceptical" about continuing leagues amid the coronavirus pandemic.
The chair of Fifa's medical committee told BBC Sport: "My proposal is if it is possible, avoid playing competitive football in the coming weeks.
"Try to be prepared for the start of good competition next season."
European leagues have until 25 May to tell European governing body Uefa whether they want to complete or cancel their seasons.
"There is a risk and it is not a risk that has small consequences," continued D'Hooghe.
"It can have consequences of life and death and that is why I am so careful and I ask everyone to be very careful before deciding to play again.
"I speak as a medical doctor, I don't have to speak as an organiser of matches, but for the moment from my medical standpoint I would be very sceptical."
shader
Footballguy
Netherlands voided and some teams are angry. French govt has outlawed sports, but Ligue 1 hasn’t decided what that means.
I still think when it all shakes out, you can’t void a season when it’s progressed this far. Will kill the sport
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
It's also a huge problem for Villa, who've played one less game and sit in 19th on 25 points with the three teams above them all on 27. Also pretty bad for Bournemouth, who would be relegated on goal differential (Watford and West Ham also on 27 points), 9 games short of a full season. That's an outcome worth tens if not hundreds of millions to the club, and I'm not sure any level of financial compensation would make them whole.
Liverpool have a strong claim to the title, but its a much harder call at the bottom of the table with every one of those teams within easy striking distance of staying up.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Its not hard to accept, by some all-encompassing authority, that UEFA or FIFA could force the clubs to extend a player contract by a couple months. That's the easy part.
But what if the player doesn't want his contract extended? Can FIFA force him to play even though his contract is terminated? What if his agent has already lined up his next contract and the buying club doesn't want him to play for his old team? I can imagine there are quite a few players who are looking forward to their contracts terminating and have no interest in the risk and effort it will take to play a highly congested couple months in two or three competitions. And what about loan players? Now they have to force both clubs to take on those extra games, as well as the player, outside of the deal they made. What if the player is hurt? What if he's not playing anyway, and doesn't want to travel back to the country where his loan club is located just to train and sit with the reserves? Its a massive hornet's nest.
charvik
Footballguy
What's the point of starting a new season? If the argument is that we void 19/20, what happens if this flare up again (which most scientists seem to predict)? We void 20/21 as well? What's the point of investing your money, be it season tickets, travel, hotels, tv subscriptions, merchandise, anything if you have no guarantee that a season will conclude?
charvik
Footballguy
I can imagine sponsors taking a void decision seriously as well. Would sponsors demand 9/38ths of their money back? Would clubs pay back 9/38ths of the TV money, which to some extent has been paid out already. From what I have read, some TV money and sponsor money is front ended, to allow clubs to have additional funds for the transfer circus, which TV benefits from.
No records, no goal bonuses, season tickets partially refunded? If players won't be medically ready, and everybody want fans in the stands, why not wait until August, let players train up (with a new "pre-season", try to finish before the next outbreak (predicted to be Oct/Nov). Then take a break, re-assess to the new reality and start a new season hopefully in March.
No records, no goal bonuses, season tickets partially refunded? If players won't be medically ready, and everybody want fans in the stands, why not wait until August, let players train up (with a new "pre-season", try to finish before the next outbreak (predicted to be Oct/Nov). Then take a break, re-assess to the new reality and start a new season hopefully in March.
And Leeds, we all hate Leeds.Still a better outcome than awarding a title to Liverpool.
That is actually the most outrageous part to me. A contract is a contract... how any governing body can just decide to unilaterally change contract terms is beyond me. And there is no way that change could be enforced world wide.
Void the seasons, let individual statistics stand, let players prepare for the future, and teams prepare for next season (when ever that may be). And mot importantly don't let Leeds in the Premier League.
B Maverick
Footballguy
I don't think CL and Europa will be completed this season. Not sure anyone would want to travel to hard hit countries like Italy, or allow them to come into their own. French now cancelling all games until Sept? PSG and Lyon won't be able to practice or play. At this point I think those competitions have to be done and voided.
For domestice games, I expect France to cancel as the Dutch did. Germany, who seems to be handling this all the best may be able to play. Not sure if England can but they will try.
Not only is it an issue for Villa, but how about Sheffield? 1 or 2 points behind United for 5th with a game in hand. IF City's CL ban is upheld, the 5th spot becomes a Champions League spot.
And its not exactly the same, but MLB did abandon a season in 94, yes due to a strike, but they cancelled, no winners mostly since it is playoff based. Looks like the stats and standings remained. So there is some precedent in sport.
August 11 – The final games of the Major League season are played on this date. The next day, the players' strike begins. Minor League Baseball games are not affected.
September 14 – The remainder of the major league season (along with the postseason) is canceled by acting commissioner Bud Selig after 34 days of the players' strike. There will be no World Series for the first time since 1904.
For domestice games, I expect France to cancel as the Dutch did. Germany, who seems to be handling this all the best may be able to play. Not sure if England can but they will try.
Not only is it an issue for Villa, but how about Sheffield? 1 or 2 points behind United for 5th with a game in hand. IF City's CL ban is upheld, the 5th spot becomes a Champions League spot.
And its not exactly the same, but MLB did abandon a season in 94, yes due to a strike, but they cancelled, no winners mostly since it is playoff based. Looks like the stats and standings remained. So there is some precedent in sport.
August 11 – The final games of the Major League season are played on this date. The next day, the players' strike begins. Minor League Baseball games are not affected.
September 14 – The remainder of the major league season (along with the postseason) is canceled by acting commissioner Bud Selig after 34 days of the players' strike. There will be no World Series for the first time since 1904.
charvik
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Well... PSG are League 1 champions.
ETA: Champions Leagues spots also designated: https://www.goal.com/en/news/psg-crowned-ligue-1-champions-lyon-miss-out-champions-league/1kzmheuqdwzpr1rqv1tl54ihn9
ETA: Champions Leagues spots also designated: https://www.goal.com/en/news/psg-crowned-ligue-1-champions-lyon-miss-out-champions-league/1kzmheuqdwzpr1rqv1tl54ihn9
Last edited by a moderator:
B Maverick
Footballguy
Are the dominos going to start falling?
Holland and France seasons ended. It wouldn't surprise me to see Italy go next.
As much as England is trying too, I have a feeling they will be cancelling too.
Spain? Portugal?
I feel like Germany is the only league most likely to play. But if everyone else cancels will they?
Holland and France seasons ended. It wouldn't surprise me to see Italy go next.
As much as England is trying too, I have a feeling they will be cancelling too.
Spain? Portugal?
I feel like Germany is the only league most likely to play. But if everyone else cancels will they?
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
B Maverick
Footballguy
I agree, but as EPL players come out voicing their fears/opinions, not sure the league continues.
Forgot to add Belgium's season was cancelled too. Announced anyway, but they haven't made it official. A little different since they only had 1 game left. If I heard right this morning.
Serie A has voted to finish the season, joining England and Germany.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
B Maverick
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
This is step 1 of probably a 100 steps but they have to start some where
https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-league-soccer/story/4091110/mls-set-to-allow-clubs-to-open-outdoor-training-facilities-for-players
https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-league-soccer/story/4091110/mls-set-to-allow-clubs-to-open-outdoor-training-facilities-for-players
McBokonon
Footballguy
I did but didn’t post as an alias. Plorfu got the lifetime banhammer so that was a no go.
JaxBill
Footballguy
@MailSport: BREAKING: Bundesliga 'to return on May 15' as German government gives green light https://trib.al/SYsnClh https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/1257583394420031489/photo/1
JaxBill
Footballguy
Meanwhile in England
@BBCRMsport: EFL chairman Rick Parry tells DCMS hearing:
- Season "must end" by 31st July.
- Clubs heading for "cash hole" of £200m by end of Sep.
- Says there would be 'outrage' if no clubs promoted from the Championship.
- Hopes to play games on the 71 grounds, rather than neutral venues. https://twitter.com/BBCRMsport/status/1257595915612958720/photo/1
@BBCRMsport: EFL chairman Rick Parry tells DCMS hearing:
- Season "must end" by 31st July.
- Clubs heading for "cash hole" of £200m by end of Sep.
- Says there would be 'outrage' if no clubs promoted from the Championship.
- Hopes to play games on the 71 grounds, rather than neutral venues. https://twitter.com/BBCRMsport/status/1257595915612958720/photo/1
JaxBill
Footballguy
@TheSportSocial: Seeing as the Bundesliga looks like it'll be the first European football league back in action after the #coronavirus outbreak, here's a thread of which German team you should support if you're a fan of an English Premier League team... https://twitter.com/TheSportSocial/status/1253350523262115840/photo/1
El Floppo
Footballguy
Wow.
Anybody know where Germany is in terms of covid at this point? Will people be going to bars or other spots to watch together, or is social distancing still in effect?
JaxBill
Footballguy
From what I've read they're partially reopen with social distancing still in effect. Players have been back training for a couple weeks. My understanding is the players have just been doing individual drills/conditioning at team facilities.
