***Official Soccer Discussion Thread*** (4 Viewers)

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

To be clear... I thought it was obvious City was cheating for a long time. That there was no way they could legitimately be earning more commercial revenue than any other club on the planet. So, yes. This confirms my priors for sure and I could still be wrong. But my money is on the EPL having the receipts.

 

[titusbramble]

Seems as if Marsch has been sacked

 

[Jaysus]

Trainwreck Leeds is my favorite Leeds!

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Trainwreck Leeds

Redundant?

 

[AAABatteries]

Normally I'd be a little concerned about a manager change giving a team a bump but this may be a perfect time for United to play them twice. They are in chaos and there's not much that can change in 2 days or even 6. Now United will go out and drop points in both matches.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

For fun...in the six years City won the title:

• Liverpool finished 2nd to City by 2.5, 1.5 and 1.5 points in 2014, 2019 and 2022 (oof).
• United finished 2nd to City by 0.5, 19.5 and 12.5 points in 2012, 2018, 2021.

If ALL the titles were vacated both teams would pick up three EPL trophies.

If City were docked even 3 points in those seasons Liverpool would pick up 3 and United 1.

 

[bigbottom]

Herc laid out the LA financial timeline.

2005: Jose Vergara buys Chivas USA for $7.5m

2015: MLS buys out Vergara for $70m and scrubs the Chivas franchise

2018: MLS sells rights to LAFC ownership for $110m

2023: Forbes estimates LAFC at a value of $1 Billion

While it's still an crazy ROI, you have to add the $350M stadium cost into the equation too. But even with that, the team's net worth has more than doubled in 5 years. Insane.

Has ownership injected additional capital into the team since 2018? I would almost have to think so given the Covid years.

Yes. This investigation was just for the 10 years between 2009 and 2018 though because the investigation started in 2019. They did add charges for Man City interfering/not complying with the investigation though for the past 4 years.

I think we crossed wires. I was talking about LAFC.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Just looked up MLS's average attendance and it's 21,000/game. That's really good, especially with the expansion of the league. I'm pretty sure it's better than the Championship.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Herc laid out the LA financial timeline.

2005: Jose Vergara buys Chivas USA for $7.5m

2015: MLS buys out Vergara for $70m and scrubs the Chivas franchise

2018: MLS sells rights to LAFC ownership for $110m

2023: Forbes estimates LAFC at a value of $1 Billion

LAFC now reportedly in negotiations for Aubameyang.

https://twitter.com/NBCSportsSoccer/status/1622618515365560320?s=20&t=-qS-Xc9kqkzGP6Cucpp0dg

 

[AAABatteries]

For fun...in the six years City won the title:

• Liverpool finished 2nd to City by 2.5, 1.5 and 1.5 points in 2014, 2019 and 2022 (oof).
• United finished 2nd to City by 0.5, 19.5 and 12.5 points in 2012, 2018, 2021.

If ALL the titles were vacated both teams would pick up three EPL trophies.

If City were docked even 3 points in those seasons Liverpool would pick up 3 and United 1.

Will be weird and almost meaningless if they strip them of these titles. Honestly, I think I’d rather them sit vacated than some back door increase in United and Liverpools title count. The sting of Aguero’s goal won’t be helped by this - although it would make me laugh at City. And they deserve to have them taken away if they prove all this.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Just looked up MLS's average attendance and it's 21,000/game. That's really good, especially with the expansion of the league. I'm pretty sure it's better than the Championship.

The Championship averaged 16,776 last season. That will go up if Leeds drops.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Herc laid out the LA financial timeline.

2005: Jose Vergara buys Chivas USA for $7.5m

2015: MLS buys out Vergara for $70m and scrubs the Chivas franchise

2018: MLS sells rights to LAFC ownership for $110m

2023: Forbes estimates LAFC at a value of $1 Billion

While it's still an crazy ROI, you have to add the $350M stadium cost into the equation too. But even with that, the team's net worth has more than doubled in 5 years. Insane.

Has ownership injected additional capital into the team since 2018? I would almost have to think so given the Covid years.

Yes. This investigation was just for the 10 years between 2009 and 2018 though because the investigation started in 2019. They did add charges for Man City interfering/not complying with the investigation though for the past 4 years.

I think we crossed wires. I was talking about LAFC.

The two biggest off field items for teams to invest in are the stadium and training ground. But both were completed by 2018. After that it is normal club costs (players, coaches, etc).

note that both the stadium and training ground have long term ongoing costs via what ever mortgages they likely have attached to them.

 

[NewlyRetired]

This is my new favorite twitter follow

https://twitter.com/Crap90sFootball/status/1622634194227560466?s=20&t=_gVwijtKI2HSVNZ7v0WjbQ

 

[B Maverick]

#FlowersofManchester

Gone but not forgotten. RIP to those in the Munich Air Disaster.

 

[bigbottom]

Herc laid out the LA financial timeline.

2005: Jose Vergara buys Chivas USA for $7.5m

2015: MLS buys out Vergara for $70m and scrubs the Chivas franchise

2018: MLS sells rights to LAFC ownership for $110m

2023: Forbes estimates LAFC at a value of $1 Billion

While it's still an crazy ROI, you have to add the $350M stadium cost into the equation too. But even with that, the team's net worth has more than doubled in 5 years. Insane.

Has ownership injected additional capital into the team since 2018? I would almost have to think so given the Covid years.

Yes. This investigation was just for the 10 years between 2009 and 2018 though because the investigation started in 2019. They did add charges for Man City interfering/not complying with the investigation though for the past 4 years.

I think we crossed wires. I was talking about LAFC.

The two biggest off field items for teams to invest in are the stadium and training ground. But both were completed by 2018. After that it is normal club costs (players, coaches, etc).

note that both the stadium and training ground have long term ongoing costs via what ever mortgages they likely have attached to them.

I agree regarding the capex involved in building a stadium. My point with respect to LAFC was that in addition the 2018 acquisition cost and whatever investment wad required regarding the stadium, you also have to take into account any additional capital injected by the owners from 2018 to present, in order to reach a conclusion regarding ROI. Take it from me. Most owners had to inject additional capital during the Covid years when matches were cancelled or the stands were empty.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Herc laid out the LA financial timeline.

2005: Jose Vergara buys Chivas USA for $7.5m

2015: MLS buys out Vergara for $70m and scrubs the Chivas franchise

2018: MLS sells rights to LAFC ownership for $110m

2023: Forbes estimates LAFC at a value of $1 Billion

While it's still an crazy ROI, you have to add the $350M stadium cost into the equation too. But even with that, the team's net worth has more than doubled in 5 years. Insane.

Has ownership injected additional capital into the team since 2018? I would almost have to think so given the Covid years.

Yes. This investigation was just for the 10 years between 2009 and 2018 though because the investigation started in 2019. They did add charges for Man City interfering/not complying with the investigation though for the past 4 years.

I think we crossed wires. I was talking about LAFC.

The two biggest off field items for teams to invest in are the stadium and training ground. But both were completed by 2018. After that it is normal club costs (players, coaches, etc).

note that both the stadium and training ground have long term ongoing costs via what ever mortgages they likely have attached to them.

Take it from me. Most owners had to inject additional capital during the Covid years when games were cancelled or the stands were empty. I agree regarding the capex involved in building a stadium. My point with respect to LAFC was that in addition the 2018 acquisition cost and whatever investment wad required regarding the stadium, you also have to take into account any additional capital injected by the owners from 2018 to present, in order to reach a conclusion regarding ROI.

Agreed. The Forbes numbers are an evaluation of the team at one specific moment in time using what ever public data they have available. Their report has nothing to do with ROI.

MLS, like every sports league on the planet had significantly reduced revenue and increased costs, mostly during the 2020 season and some of 2021.

 

[bigbottom]

Herc laid out the LA financial timeline.

2005: Jose Vergara buys Chivas USA for $7.5m

2015: MLS buys out Vergara for $70m and scrubs the Chivas franchise

2018: MLS sells rights to LAFC ownership for $110m

2023: Forbes estimates LAFC at a value of $1 Billion

While it's still an crazy ROI, you have to add the $350M stadium cost into the equation too. But even with that, the team's net worth has more than doubled in 5 years. Insane.

Has ownership injected additional capital into the team since 2018? I would almost have to think so given the Covid years.

Yes. This investigation was just for the 10 years between 2009 and 2018 though because the investigation started in 2019. They did add charges for Man City interfering/not complying with the investigation though for the past 4 years.

I think we crossed wires. I was talking about LAFC.

The two biggest off field items for teams to invest in are the stadium and training ground. But both were completed by 2018. After that it is normal club costs (players, coaches, etc).

note that both the stadium and training ground have long term ongoing costs via what ever mortgages they likely have attached to them.

Take it from me. Most owners had to inject additional capital during the Covid years when games were cancelled or the stands were empty. I agree regarding the capex involved in building a stadium. My point with respect to LAFC was that in addition the 2018 acquisition cost and whatever investment wad required regarding the stadium, you also have to take into account any additional capital injected by the owners from 2018 to present, in order to reach a conclusion regarding ROI.

Agreed. The Forbes numbers are an evaluation of the team at one specific moment in time using what ever public data they have available. Their report has nothing to do with ROI.

MLS, like every sports league on the planet had significantly reduced revenue and increased costs, mostly during the 2020 season and some of 2021.

Seems like we’re on the same page.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Herc laid out the LA financial timeline.

2005: Jose Vergara buys Chivas USA for $7.5m

2015: MLS buys out Vergara for $70m and scrubs the Chivas franchise

2018: MLS sells rights to LAFC ownership for $110m

2023: Forbes estimates LAFC at a value of $1 Billion

While it's still an crazy ROI, you have to add the $350M stadium cost into the equation too. But even with that, the team's net worth has more than doubled in 5 years. Insane.

Has ownership injected additional capital into the team since 2018? I would almost have to think so given the Covid years.

Yes. This investigation was just for the 10 years between 2009 and 2018 though because the investigation started in 2019. They did add charges for Man City interfering/not complying with the investigation though for the past 4 years.

I think we crossed wires. I was talking about LAFC.

The two biggest off field items for teams to invest in are the stadium and training ground. But both were completed by 2018. After that it is normal club costs (players, coaches, etc).

note that both the stadium and training ground have long term ongoing costs via what ever mortgages they likely have attached to them.

Take it from me. Most owners had to inject additional capital during the Covid years when games were cancelled or the stands were empty. I agree regarding the capex involved in building a stadium. My point with respect to LAFC was that in addition the 2018 acquisition cost and whatever investment wad required regarding the stadium, you also have to take into account any additional capital injected by the owners from 2018 to present, in order to reach a conclusion regarding ROI.

Agreed. The Forbes numbers are an evaluation of the team at one specific moment in time using what ever public data they have available. Their report has nothing to do with ROI.

MLS, like every sports league on the planet had significantly reduced revenue and increased costs, mostly during the 2020 season and some of 2021.

Seems like we’re on the same page.

The league as a whole lost about $1 billion in revenue due to covid. We have no idea how that was carried but if we distribute equally amongst all the teams, it is about a $30-35m shortfall for each team.

 

[bigbottom]

Herc laid out the LA financial timeline.

2005: Jose Vergara buys Chivas USA for $7.5m

2015: MLS buys out Vergara for $70m and scrubs the Chivas franchise

2018: MLS sells rights to LAFC ownership for $110m

2023: Forbes estimates LAFC at a value of $1 Billion

While it's still an crazy ROI, you have to add the $350M stadium cost into the equation too. But even with that, the team's net worth has more than doubled in 5 years. Insane.

Has ownership injected additional capital into the team since 2018? I would almost have to think so given the Covid years.

Yes. This investigation was just for the 10 years between 2009 and 2018 though because the investigation started in 2019. They did add charges for Man City interfering/not complying with the investigation though for the past 4 years.

I think we crossed wires. I was talking about LAFC.

The two biggest off field items for teams to invest in are the stadium and training ground. But both were completed by 2018. After that it is normal club costs (players, coaches, etc).

note that both the stadium and training ground have long term ongoing costs via what ever mortgages they likely have attached to them.

Take it from me. Most owners had to inject additional capital during the Covid years when games were cancelled or the stands were empty. I agree regarding the capex involved in building a stadium. My point with respect to LAFC was that in addition the 2018 acquisition cost and whatever investment wad required regarding the stadium, you also have to take into account any additional capital injected by the owners from 2018 to present, in order to reach a conclusion regarding ROI.

Agreed. The Forbes numbers are an evaluation of the team at one specific moment in time using what ever public data they have available. Their report has nothing to do with ROI.

MLS, like every sports league on the planet had significantly reduced revenue and increased costs, mostly during the 2020 season and some of 2021.

Seems like we’re on the same page.

The league as a whole lost about $1 billion in revenue due to covid. We have no idea how that was carried but if we distribute equally amongst all the teams, it is about a $30-35m shortfall for each team.

Sounds like a bargain!

 

[NewlyRetired]

Herc laid out the LA financial timeline.

2005: Jose Vergara buys Chivas USA for $7.5m

2015: MLS buys out Vergara for $70m and scrubs the Chivas franchise

2018: MLS sells rights to LAFC ownership for $110m

2023: Forbes estimates LAFC at a value of $1 Billion

While it's still an crazy ROI, you have to add the $350M stadium cost into the equation too. But even with that, the team's net worth has more than doubled in 5 years. Insane.

Has ownership injected additional capital into the team since 2018? I would almost have to think so given the Covid years.

Yes. This investigation was just for the 10 years between 2009 and 2018 though because the investigation started in 2019. They did add charges for Man City interfering/not complying with the investigation though for the past 4 years.

I think we crossed wires. I was talking about LAFC.

The two biggest off field items for teams to invest in are the stadium and training ground. But both were completed by 2018. After that it is normal club costs (players, coaches, etc).

note that both the stadium and training ground have long term ongoing costs via what ever mortgages they likely have attached to them.

Take it from me. Most owners had to inject additional capital during the Covid years when games were cancelled or the stands were empty. I agree regarding the capex involved in building a stadium. My point with respect to LAFC was that in addition the 2018 acquisition cost and whatever investment wad required regarding the stadium, you also have to take into account any additional capital injected by the owners from 2018 to present, in order to reach a conclusion regarding ROI.

Agreed. The Forbes numbers are an evaluation of the team at one specific moment in time using what ever public data they have available. Their report has nothing to do with ROI.

MLS, like every sports league on the planet had significantly reduced revenue and increased costs, mostly during the 2020 season and some of 2021.

Seems like we’re on the same page.

The league as a whole lost about $1 billion in revenue due to covid. We have no idea how that was carried but if we distribute equally amongst all the teams, it is about a $30-35m shortfall for each team.

Sounds like a bargain!

a bargain for some teams, but probably very serious for others. I know some teams laid off personnel during the down turn.

 

[bigbottom]

Herc laid out the LA financial timeline.

2005: Jose Vergara buys Chivas USA for $7.5m

2015: MLS buys out Vergara for $70m and scrubs the Chivas franchise

2018: MLS sells rights to LAFC ownership for $110m

2023: Forbes estimates LAFC at a value of $1 Billion

While it's still an crazy ROI, you have to add the $350M stadium cost into the equation too. But even with that, the team's net worth has more than doubled in 5 years. Insane.

Has ownership injected additional capital into the team since 2018? I would almost have to think so given the Covid years.

Yes. This investigation was just for the 10 years between 2009 and 2018 though because the investigation started in 2019. They did add charges for Man City interfering/not complying with the investigation though for the past 4 years.

I think we crossed wires. I was talking about LAFC.

The two biggest off field items for teams to invest in are the stadium and training ground. But both were completed by 2018. After that it is normal club costs (players, coaches, etc).

note that both the stadium and training ground have long term ongoing costs via what ever mortgages they likely have attached to them.

Take it from me. Most owners had to inject additional capital during the Covid years when games were cancelled or the stands were empty. I agree regarding the capex involved in building a stadium. My point with respect to LAFC was that in addition the 2018 acquisition cost and whatever investment wad required regarding the stadium, you also have to take into account any additional capital injected by the owners from 2018 to present, in order to reach a conclusion regarding ROI.

Agreed. The Forbes numbers are an evaluation of the team at one specific moment in time using what ever public data they have available. Their report has nothing to do with ROI.

MLS, like every sports league on the planet had significantly reduced revenue and increased costs, mostly during the 2020 season and some of 2021.

Seems like we’re on the same page.

The league as a whole lost about $1 billion in revenue due to covid. We have no idea how that was carried but if we distribute equally amongst all the teams, it is about a $30-35m shortfall for each team.

Sounds like a bargain!

a bargain for some teams, but probably very serious for others. I know some teams laid off personnel during the down turn.

I was being facetious.

Edit: Deleted the rest. And backing away slowly . . .

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

EPL bigwig phones in to talk show to discuss potential punishments for City.

 

[NewlyRetired]

when I saw the title to this thread, I pictured something MUCH different happening

r/soccer - Two players from Scotland's St. Johnstone deciding who takes the free kick against Celtic.

562 votes and 27 comments so far on Reddit

www.reddit.com

 

[NewlyRetired]

Speaking of attendance, El Trafico looks to be opening the season in style this year...

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https://twitter.com/MikeGrayAFC
Mike Gray
@MikeGrayAFC


NEWS: The #LAGalaxy have confirmed the Feb. 25th season opening El Trafico vs. #LAFC at the Rose Bowl is 75% sold out. Capacity is 90,888. That number is close to the club record of 69,255 set in 1996.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The only fair way to resolve disputes the world over.

 

[NewlyRetired]

The only fair way to resolve disputes the world over.

I clicked on the thread fully expecting a shoving match or punches to be thrown

 

[NewlyRetired]

the jokes write themselves but I still laugh

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Troll Football
https://twitter.com/TrollFootball
@TrollFootball

UEFA say they will NOT strip Manchester City of their Champions League titles.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Jesus ...

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Ghana winger Christian Atsu has been found alive after being buried under rubble in the earthquake that hit Turkey, the vice president of his club, Hatayspor, told media on Tuesday.

Atsu was reported missing in Turkey's Hatay province following the 7.8 magnitude quake that brought down thousands of buildings and killed more than 5,000 people in several Turkish and Syrian cities on Monday.

"Christian Atsu was pulled out injured. Our sporting director, Taner Savut, is unfortunately still under the rubble," club vice president Mustafa Ozat told Radyo Gol

 

[encaitar]

Jesus ...

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Ghana winger Christian Atsu has been found alive after being buried under rubble in the earthquake that hit Turkey, the vice president of his club, Hatayspor, told media on Tuesday.

Atsu was reported missing in Turkey's Hatay province following the 7.8 magnitude quake that brought down thousands of buildings and killed more than 5,000 people in several Turkish and Syrian cities on Monday.

"Christian Atsu was pulled out injured. Our sporting director, Taner Savut, is unfortunately still under the rubble," club vice president Mustafa Ozat told Radyo Gol

Yeah. That earthquake cluster was insane. Lots of suffering in Turkey this week. Malatyaspor confirmed that one of their goalkeepers was killed in the quakes.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I read a fascinating story about 2030 WC hosts today.

TL/DR notes

* Two groups are expected to bid. Spain/Poland/Ukraine and Argie/Para/Uruguay/Chile

* A multi region bid is being explored between Egypt, Greece and Saudi Arabia

* Saudi is driving and knows they can't win alone since a second middle eastern WC so soon will never be approved

* By including an African and European team, the idea is to cause some voting confusion in Europe while also giving the large African vote something to back

* Causing some controversy is Saudi's willingness to fund all infrastructure across the three countries in exchange for being the primary host (like the US in 2026 will be)

 

[NewlyRetired]

I had not considered that Man City taking a possible massive financial hit is going to have a negative trickle down effect.

They own and fund a ton of clubs world wide, one of which is NYCFC. It would be devastating if the Man City problems effect the NY stadium from being funded.

 

[NewlyRetired]

what ever works I guess.......
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Derek Rae

@RaeComm

Bayern‘s Dayot Upamecano tells Sport Bild he has been working with an opera singer on his vocal technique which had been causing him problems when trying to shout loudly on the pitch. Upamecano would often have a sore throat & would be hoarse. Not any longer after voice coaching.

 

[McBokonon]

Camera crews have been following Newcastle’s season for a four-part Amazon documentary series.
The show will focus on the club’s owners and the teams pursuit of a trophy and Champions League qualification.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

How to headline.

 

[B Maverick]

I read a fascinating story about 2030 WC hosts today.

TL/DR notes

* Two groups are expected to bid. Spain/Poland/Ukraine and Argie/Para/Uruguay/Chile
* A multi region bid is being explored between Egypt, Greece and Saudi Arabia
* Saudi is driving and knows they can't win alone since a second middle eastern WC so soon will never be approved
* By including an African and European team, the idea is to cause some voting confusion in Europe while also giving the large African vote something to back
* Causing some controversy is Saudi's willingness to fund all infrastructure across the three countries in exchange for being the primary host (like the US in 2026 will be)

The South American bid is interesting to me simply because it will be the 100th anniversary of the Cup, with the first being in Uruguay. Would be a good thing to have it there.

 

[NewlyRetired]

After probably not giving it enough thought, here is what I would do with Man City for punishment:

My focus is on punishing for the current time period and immediate future, not the past.

1) Dramatic point deduction for the current season. Bigger than what Juventus got and big enough to assure missing Champions League

2) Dramatic point deduction for next season. Big enough to make it extremely hard to qualify for Champions League

3) Massive fine. I don't mean some silly 1 million euro fine. This needs to be as big as legally allowed as it is money that talks in the end. Probably starting in the 50m range, if not higher. It should be a statement to every team.

4) I would not in any way touch history. Deducting points from previous seasons and possibly removing incredibly iconic moments like "Aguueeeeeeeroooooooo!!!!" hurts all fans.




Missing Champions League two years in a row coupled with a massive financial fine would be an excellent start to show that FFP has a tiny bit of bite.

 

[AAABatteries]

Normally I'd be a little concerned about a manager change giving a team a bump but this may be a perfect time for United to play them twice. They are in chaos and there's not much that can change in 2 days or even 6. Now United will go out and drop points in both matches.

I'm a genius!

 

[NewlyRetired]

Normally I'd be a little concerned about a manager change giving a team a bump but this may be a perfect time for United to play them twice. They are in chaos and there's not much that can change in 2 days or even 6. Now United will go out and drop points in both matches.

I'm a genius!

that was the fastest dead cat bounce I have ever seen

 

[NewlyRetired]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FodbgSOXEAUmWXJ?format=jpg&name=medium

 

[NewlyRetired]

Tom Bogert

@tombogert

Update, per sources: Talks continue to advance between LAFC & Pierre-Emerick Aubamayang. Nothing agreed yet, but getting more serious.
@MatteMoretto says Chelsea would cover 100% of Auba's salary until the summer. LAFC just sent Chicho Arango to Pachuca & are looking for new ST.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Jesus ...

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Ghana winger Christian Atsu has been found alive after being buried under rubble in the earthquake that hit Turkey, the vice president of his club, Hatayspor, told media on Tuesday.

Atsu was reported missing in Turkey's Hatay province following the 7.8 magnitude quake that brought down thousands of buildings and killed more than 5,000 people in several Turkish and Syrian cities on Monday.

"Christian Atsu was pulled out injured. Our sporting director, Taner Savut, is unfortunately still under the rubble," club vice president Mustafa Ozat told Radyo Gol

Atsu's status now seems uncertain.

EuroFoot​

@eurofootcom

Hatayspor Board Member Mustafa Özat: "I received information that Christian Atsu was rescued from the rubble, but it was NOT true." "I gave the same information to the press, but at the moment, the information received is that Atsu and Taner Savut are under the rubble."

https://twitter.com/eurofootcom/status/1623338936104890369?t=Sk-TjjzvE_9zHcYOuSq6Pg&s=19

 

[Desert_Power]

4) I would not in any way touch history. Deducting points from previous seasons and possibly removing incredibly iconic moments like "Aguueeeeeeeroooooooo!!!!" hurts all fans.

Yeah. I think the whole vacated titles and stuff like that is beyond silly when the NCAA does it.

 

[Poke_4_Life]

After probably not giving it enough thought, here is what I would do with Man City for punishment:

My focus is on punishing for the current time period and immediate future, not the past.

1) Dramatic point deduction for the current season. Bigger than what Juventus got and big enough to assure missing Champions League

2) Dramatic point deduction for next season. Big enough to make it extremely hard to qualify for Champions League

3) Massive fine. I don't mean some silly 1 million euro fine. This needs to be as big as legally allowed as it is money that talks in the end. Probably starting in the 50m range, if not higher. It should be a statement to every team.

4) I would not in any way touch history. Deducting points from previous seasons and possibly removing incredibly iconic moments like "Aguueeeeeeeroooooooo!!!!" hurts all fans.




Missing Champions League two years in a row coupled with a massive financial fine would be an excellent start to show that FFP has a tiny bit of bite.

As a supporter of the team 5th in the table currently, I like all of these points. Especially 1&2. Would be interesting to see if they could keep the team largely unchanged missing out on CL two years in a row.

 

[B Maverick]

4) I would not in any way touch history. Deducting points from previous seasons and possibly removing incredibly iconic moments like "Aguueeeeeeeroooooooo!!!!" hurts all fans.

Yeah. I think the whole vacated titles and stuff like that is beyond silly when the NCAA does it.

As much as I hate that moment, it happened. No need to vacate or grant titles to 2nd place teams.

 

[AAABatteries]

4) I would not in any way touch history. Deducting points from previous seasons and possibly removing incredibly iconic moments like "Aguueeeeeeeroooooooo!!!!" hurts all fans.

Yeah. I think the whole vacated titles and stuff like that is beyond silly when the NCAA does it.

As much as I hate that moment, it happened. No need to vacate or grant titles to 2nd place teams.

I think vacating them make sense as a deterrent- granting titles to 2nd place teams would be dumb and that I agree is not needed.

 

[NewlyRetired]

4) I would not in any way touch history. Deducting points from previous seasons and possibly removing incredibly iconic moments like "Aguueeeeeeeroooooooo!!!!" hurts all fans.

Yeah. I think the whole vacated titles and stuff like that is beyond silly when the NCAA does it.

As much as I hate that moment, it happened. No need to vacate or grant titles to 2nd place teams.

I think vacating them make sense as a deterrent- granting titles to 2nd place teams would be dumb and that I agree is not needed.

IMO there is no deterrent in changing the past as it does nothing to effect the bottom line.

All you end up hurting is history which hurts the fans.

 

[AAABatteries]

4) I would not in any way touch history. Deducting points from previous seasons and possibly removing incredibly iconic moments like "Aguueeeeeeeroooooooo!!!!" hurts all fans.

Yeah. I think the whole vacated titles and stuff like that is beyond silly when the NCAA does it.

As much as I hate that moment, it happened. No need to vacate or grant titles to 2nd place teams.

I think vacating them make sense as a deterrent- granting titles to 2nd place teams would be dumb and that I agree is not needed.

IMO there is no deterrent in changing the past as it does nothing to effect the bottom line.

All you end up hurting is history which hurts the fans.

I’m not saying it’s the only thing I would do but 1. I disagree that it’s not a deterrent. 2. Them cheating “hurt“ the fans of other teams so I could care less if City fans are inconvenienced.

 

[NewlyRetired]

4) I would not in any way touch history. Deducting points from previous seasons and possibly removing incredibly iconic moments like "Aguueeeeeeeroooooooo!!!!" hurts all fans.

Yeah. I think the whole vacated titles and stuff like that is beyond silly when the NCAA does it.

As much as I hate that moment, it happened. No need to vacate or grant titles to 2nd place teams.

I think vacating them make sense as a deterrent- granting titles to 2nd place teams would be dumb and that I agree is not needed.

IMO there is no deterrent in changing the past as it does nothing to effect the bottom line.

All you end up hurting is history which hurts the fans.

I’m not saying it’s the only thing I would do but 1. I disagree that it’s not a deterrent. 2. Them cheating “hurt“ the fans of other teams so I could care less if City fans are inconvenienced.

I don't think changing history fixes what went wrong in the past for fans of other teams.

Let me use an example with the USMNT team. If we found out now that T&T fielded a player that was not eligible to play during wet and bumpy and as such that entire fiasco was then removed from the record books, would you all of a sudden feel better that we missed out on WC 2018? I would not. It would be meaningless gesture that would not effect the US or the fan base in any way going forward.

 

[AAABatteries]

4) I would not in any way touch history. Deducting points from previous seasons and possibly removing incredibly iconic moments like "Aguueeeeeeeroooooooo!!!!" hurts all fans.

Yeah. I think the whole vacated titles and stuff like that is beyond silly when the NCAA does it.

As much as I hate that moment, it happened. No need to vacate or grant titles to 2nd place teams.

I think vacating them make sense as a deterrent- granting titles to 2nd place teams would be dumb and that I agree is not needed.

IMO there is no deterrent in changing the past as it does nothing to effect the bottom line.

All you end up hurting is history which hurts the fans.

I’m not saying it’s the only thing I would do but 1. I disagree that it’s not a deterrent. 2. Them cheating “hurt“ the fans of other teams so I could care less if City fans are inconvenienced.

I don't think changing history fixes what went wrong in the past for fans of other teams.

Let me use an example using the US team. if we found out now that T&T fielded a player that was not eligible to play during wet and bumpy and as such that entire fiasco was then removed from the record books, would you all of a sudden feel better that we missed out on WC 2018? I would not. It would be meaningless gesture that would not effect the US or the fan base in any way going forward.

The difference to me is there’s a lot of pride for both the club and fans to say we won X titles. Taking them away hurts the club so I see it as a deterrent. It also hurts the fans so I agree that it does - I just don’t care that it does. I don’t see you scenario as the same thing - in that scenario I would agree there’s no point - but imagine a scenario where Brazil gets a WC trophy taken away - now they have four and tied with others instead of having the most.

I also thought the Astros should have their title taken away. I don’t think teams should get to keep the rewards of cheating.

All of this is assuming they are guilty.

 

[B Maverick]

4) I would not in any way touch history. Deducting points from previous seasons and possibly removing incredibly iconic moments like "Aguueeeeeeeroooooooo!!!!" hurts all fans.

Yeah. I think the whole vacated titles and stuff like that is beyond silly when the NCAA does it.

As much as I hate that moment, it happened. No need to vacate or grant titles to 2nd place teams.

I think vacating them make sense as a deterrent- granting titles to 2nd place teams would be dumb and that I agree is not needed.

IMO there is no deterrent in changing the past as it does nothing to effect the bottom line.

All you end up hurting is history which hurts the fans.

I’m not saying it’s the only thing I would do but 1. I disagree that it’s not a deterrent. 2. Them cheating “hurt“ the fans of other teams so I could care less if City fans are inconvenienced.

I don't think changing history fixes what went wrong in the past for fans of other teams.

Let me use an example using the US team. if we found out now that T&T fielded a player that was not eligible to play during wet and bumpy and as such that entire fiasco was then removed from the record books, would you all of a sudden feel better that we missed out on WC 2018? I would not. It would be meaningless gesture that would not effect the US or the fan base in any way going forward.

The difference to me is there’s a lot of pride for both the club and fans to say we won X titles. Taking them away hurts the club so I see it as a deterrent. It also hurts the fans so I agree that it does - I just don’t care that it does. I don’t see you scenario as the same thing - in that scenario I would agree there’s no point - but imagine a scenario where Brazil gets a WC trophy taken away - now they have four and tied with others instead of having the most.

I also thought the Astros should have their title taken away. I don’t think teams should get to keep the rewards of cheating.

All of this is assuming they are guilty.

Is taking them away going to stop anyone from saying City have 5 EPL titles, 2 FA Cups, 6 League Cups, 0 Champions Leagues?
Just gives rival fans something to sing about at games.

Besides, they have already benefitted from it with the players in, revenues, status. I don't know if vacating will really do anything or be a deterrent. Massive fines, Point Deduction, heck even relegation should be on the table. Heck throw them into administration and all the fun that entails.