***OFFICIAL*** Sons of Anarchy Thread (1 Viewer)

[Jaysus]

License and registration please.

 

[Abraham]

Good filler episode.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Don't really buy that they'd "knife or fire?" Juice b/c he's black. Maybe they wouldn't allow him in initially, but given their battles with the Neo-Nazi guys, that they have Latino dudes in the club, and that they've really shown no overt racism towards black people at all from what we've seen, this just rang hollow.

Show's starting to lose me, to be honest.

 

[belljr]

Luther & Vandross

I just watched all three seasons the past couple of days. First impression is that Jacks is a #####. Glad to see that the writers have taken the series more dark. Also, seems like half the cast left Deadwood and walked over to SOA. That prono star that Jacks bangs in season 3 who showed her back side to open up one of the episodes was smokin' hot.

Halfway through season 3 myself. Love seeing Trixie as an Irish ol' lady. This show's really skyrocketing up my all-time list.

THAT's where she's from, was too lazy to look it up...

 

[Brady Marino]

So, Juice is part black. Yeah, ok.

The guy that plays Juice is an Italian. What's next...he's part Polish, too?

 

[Jaysus]

So, Juice is part black. Yeah, ok. The guy that plays Juice is an Italian. What's next...he's part Polish, too?

'Cause he's part eggplant?

 

[McJose]

So, Juice is part black. Yeah, ok. The guy that plays Juice is an Italian. What's next...he's part Polish, too?

I can't believe that they'd bend lines of reality like that on this show.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

So, Juice is part black. Yeah, ok. The guy that plays Juice is an Italian. What's next...he's part Polish, too?

I can't believe that they'd bend lines of reality like that on this show.

Next he'll be telling us that the guy who played Scarface wasn't even Cuban.

 

[Brady Marino]

So, Juice is part black. Yeah, ok. The guy that plays Juice is an Italian. What's next...he's part Polish, too?

I can't believe that they'd bend lines of reality like that on this show.

Next he'll be telling us that the guy who played Scarface wasn't even Cuban.

Pedro Cerrano wasn't really Cuban, either.And yes, SOA really likes to reach at times, but Juice as a half-black guy might take the cake. Yes, even above the baby snatcher.

 

[AcerFC]

Don't really buy that they'd "knife or fire?" Juice b/c he's black. Maybe they wouldn't allow him in initially, but given their battles with the Neo-Nazi guys, that they have Latino dudes in the club, and that they've really shown no overt racism towards black people at all from what we've seen, this just rang hollow.

 

[Insein]

Don't really buy that they'd "knife or fire?" Juice b/c he's black. Maybe they wouldn't allow him in initially, but given their battles with the Neo-Nazi guys, that they have Latino dudes in the club, and that they've really shown no overt racism towards black people at all from what we've seen, this just rang hollow.Show's starting to lose me, to be honest.

I'm still just rolling with it but I didn't get the allegation either. They have never shown any problems with blacks. Why would they turn on a brother who's been through wars with them and gone to prison for 3 years with them? Hell tig shot donna and Opie has made peace with it. I think they'd be fine if Juice's dad was black.

 

[UOFI_316]

I think they are trying to get through all the remaining Shield actors/actresses this season.

Agree that I don't see the club having an issue with Juice being half black.

While it was mostly filler, I think it helped to further all the splits within the club.

 

[Christo]

I think they are trying to get through all the remaining Shield actors/actresses this season.Agree that I don't see the club having an issue with Juice being half black.While it was mostly filler, I think it helped to further all the splits within the club.

Clay lied to Bobby. Jax lied to (rather, didn't correct) Opie.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

This is almost not watchable with all the ####### commercials. I watched the first seasons on a dvd and starting to watch on tv is painful. Maybe I will just skip the rest of the season and watch at the end, or DVR.

 

[UOFI_316]

I think they are trying to get through all the remaining Shield actors/actresses this season.Agree that I don't see the club having an issue with Juice being half black.While it was mostly filler, I think it helped to further all the splits within the club.

Clay lied to Bobby. Jax lied to (rather, didn't correct) Opie.

Yeah, right after Clay gave his word to Bobby that he would hand him the gavel, he gave his word the the Indian chief and Bobby realized Clay was full of it.Tig is trying to get in with Clay with his vote even though he was left behind again.I liked it when the ballers called Kozik "Lemonhead"

 

[Insein]

This is almost not watchable with all the ####### commercials. I watched the first seasons on a dvd and starting to watch on tv is painful. Maybe I will just skip the rest of the season and watch at the end, or DVR.

Definitely need to DVR it. Shows only about 40 mins long with 23 mins of commercials. I usually wait till 11pm and start watching it off of the DVR.

 

[Insein]

I think they are trying to get through all the remaining Shield actors/actresses this season.Agree that I don't see the club having an issue with Juice being half black.While it was mostly filler, I think it helped to further all the splits within the club.

Clay lied to Bobby. Jax lied to (rather, didn't correct) Opie.

Yeah, right after Clay gave his word to Bobby that he would hand him the gavel, he gave his word the the Indian chief and Bobby realized Clay was full of it.Tig is trying to get in with Clay with his vote even though he was left behind again.I liked it when the ballers called Kozik "Lemonhead"

But did Clay lie to Jax? Thats the key now.

 

[bryhamm]

I think they are trying to get through all the remaining Shield actors/actresses this season.

Agree that I don't see the club having an issue with Juice being half black.

While it was mostly filler, I think it helped to further all the splits within the club.

Clay lied to Bobby. Jax lied to (rather, didn't correct) Opie.

Yeah, right after Clay gave his word to Bobby that he would hand him the gavel, he gave his word the the Indian chief and Bobby realized Clay was full of it.Tig is trying to get in with Clay with his vote even though he was left behind again.

I liked it when the ballers called Kozik "Lemonhead"

Yep, the look by Bobby said it all.

And I predict a huge fight between Jax and Opie when Jax wants to leave because of what was pointed out above.

 

[Jaysus]

But did Clay lie to Jax? Thats the key now.

ohh... that's deep.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Don't really buy that they'd "knife or fire?" Juice b/c he's black. Maybe they wouldn't allow him in initially, but given their battles with the Neo-Nazi guys, that they have Latino dudes in the club, and that they've really shown no overt racism towards black people at all from what we've seen, this just rang hollow.

Watched the episode and this part really bothered me as well. Seems like they could have worked better angles to getting pressure on a member. Hell, making his dad part of some rival gang is something I could even buy. But black? Seems like it's some really lazy writing.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Don't really buy that they'd "knife or fire?" Juice b/c he's black. Maybe they wouldn't allow him in initially, but given their battles with the Neo-Nazi guys, that they have Latino dudes in the club, and that they've really shown no overt racism towards black people at all from what we've seen, this just rang hollow.Show's starting to lose me, to be honest.

I'm still just rolling with it but I didn't get the allegation either. They have never shown any problems with blacks. Why would they turn on a brother who's been through wars with them and gone to prison for 3 years with them? Hell tig shot donna and Opie has made peace with it. I think they'd be fine if Juice's dad was black.

Opie never found out about that.

 

[McJose]

Don't really buy that they'd "knife or fire?" Juice b/c he's black. Maybe they wouldn't allow him in initially, but given their battles with the Neo-Nazi guys, that they have Latino dudes in the club, and that they've really shown no overt racism towards black people at all from what we've seen, this just rang hollow.

Watched the episode and this part really bothered me as well. Seems like they could have worked better angles to getting pressure on a member. Hell, making his dad part of some rival gang is something I could even buy. But black? Seems like it's some really lazy writing.

Yeah I was thinking they could have made Juice's dad a cop or an informant or something.

 

[pollardsvision]

This is the one show I have to watch off of the DVR as good as it is.The commercials are brutal and there are way too many slow scenes where the dudes are just sitting there thinking about something or reflecting and some acoustic cover of a classic rock song is playing. I have to zip right through that or I'll go crazy

Exactly.Last night the wife and I are watching and our 17 is half interested. There was some song playing throughout the opening montage. After about 4 minutes my kid says "How long is this freaking song?"

Wife said the same thing

Yup - they do it practically every other episode. I'm fine with clips of songs, but they play the entire song during some reflection POV. It does drag at times. Still very entertaining. I still think the best 10 minutes of TV that I can remember was the Season 2 finale while the acoustic version of "Gimme Shelter" was playing, but at least there was a ton of stuff going on during it.Oh well, take the good with the bad I guess.

I'm almost caught up with the series, but the long music/reflection scenes are among my favorite parts.I'm not even a music fan (listen to talk radio and haven't bought any music nearly 15 years). But this show does it fairly well, at worst, and sometimes it's downright moving.It seems to me that there's usually alot going on in these scenes. The story's not always moving, but there's usually alot of emotion.The S1 and S3 finales were downright chilling because of this. I still can't get "John the Revelator" out of my head. I had never even heard of "Hey, hey, my, my" before, but that damn near brought me to tears. That shot of Jax' face and "the king is gone, but he's not forgotten" line was fantastic. Starting the song at Teller-Morrow with the "there's more to the story than meet's the eye" line was a nice touch too. Those are extreme examples obviously, but even when they go marathon on a song in a normal episode, it doesn't feel like waste of time to me.I don't think the show would be the same without making heavy and effective use of these scenes.ETA: I have not yet seen the scene I assume you guys are referring to specifically above though. Just finished a 3 season marathon and missed S4E1. I really hate I missed that, obviously.

 

[Insein]

Don't really buy that they'd "knife or fire?" Juice b/c he's black. Maybe they wouldn't allow him in initially, but given their battles with the Neo-Nazi guys, that they have Latino dudes in the club, and that they've really shown no overt racism towards black people at all from what we've seen, this just rang hollow.Show's starting to lose me, to be honest.

I'm still just rolling with it but I didn't get the allegation either. They have never shown any problems with blacks. Why would they turn on a brother who's been through wars with them and gone to prison for 3 years with them? Hell tig shot donna and Opie has made peace with it. I think they'd be fine if Juice's dad was black.

Opie never found out about that.

Yea he did. Last season Tig told him. He had too much guilt about it.

 

[The Hardline]

Glad to see Clay put Gemma in her place. I realize she is the Matriarch of the SOA Old Ladies but she is way too lippy.

LOL at Clay telling Jax's girl she is going to make a great Old Lady. Made my wife and me @ how goofy it sounded.

 

[ScottyFargo]

I always assumed Happy was mixed race and that the club had no problem with it. They never addressed what his race was or how the club felt about it.

 

[Christo]

I always assumed Happy was mixed race and that the club had no problem with it. They never addressed what his race was or how the club felt about it.

Juice's name is Juan Carlos Ortiz. We're supposed to believe that Hispanics are welcome but blacks aren't? Seems like pretty ambiguous racism to me.

 

[prosopis]

So, Juice is part black. Yeah, ok. The guy that plays Juice is an Italian. What's next...he's part Polish, too?

He is a Moor.

 

[prosopis]

This is the one show I have to watch off of the DVR as good as it is.

The commercials are brutal and there are way too many slow scenes where the dudes are just sitting there thinking about something or reflecting and some acoustic cover of a classic rock song is playing. I have to zip right through that or I'll go crazy

Exactly.Last night the wife and I are watching and our 17 is half interested. There was some song playing throughout the opening montage. After about 4 minutes my kid says "How long is this freaking song?"

Wife said the same thing

Yup - they do it practically every other episode. I'm fine with clips of songs, but they play the entire song during some reflection POV. It does drag at times. Still very entertaining. I still think the best 10 minutes of TV that I can remember was the Season 2 finale while the acoustic version of "Gimme Shelter" was playing, but at least there was a ton of stuff going on during it.

Oh well, take the good with the bad I guess.

I'm almost caught up with the series, but the long music/reflection scenes are among my favorite parts.I'm not even a music fan (listen to talk radio and haven't bought any music nearly 15 years). But this show does it fairly well, at worst, and sometimes it's downright moving.

It seems to me that there's usually alot going on in these scenes. The story's not always moving, but there's usually alot of emotion.

The S1 and S3 finales were downright chilling because of this. I still can't get "John the Revelator" out of my head. I had never even heard of "Hey, hey, my, my" before, but that damn near brought me to tears. That shot of Jax' face and "the king is gone, but he's not forgotten" line was fantastic. Starting the song at Teller-Morrow with the "there's more to the story than meet's the eye" line was a nice touch too.

Those are extreme examples obviously, but even when they go marathon on a song in a normal episode, it doesn't feel like waste of time to me.

I don't think the show would be the same without making heavy and effective use of these scenes.

ETA: I have not yet seen the scene I assume you guys are referring to specifically above though. Just finished a 3 season marathon and missed S4E1. I really hate I missed that, obviously.

I am not a fan of them. Maybe once a season is ok but every episode? I think part of why I dont like them is they just remind me I am watching the guys version of One Tree Hill. I used to tease my wife about that crap all the time. I think she is waiting for the perfect time to get me back.

 

[Insein]

This is the one show I have to watch off of the DVR as good as it is.

The commercials are brutal and there are way too many slow scenes where the dudes are just sitting there thinking about something or reflecting and some acoustic cover of a classic rock song is playing. I have to zip right through that or I'll go crazy

Exactly.Last night the wife and I are watching and our 17 is half interested. There was some song playing throughout the opening montage. After about 4 minutes my kid says "How long is this freaking song?"

Wife said the same thing

Yup - they do it practically every other episode. I'm fine with clips of songs, but they play the entire song during some reflection POV. It does drag at times. Still very entertaining. I still think the best 10 minutes of TV that I can remember was the Season 2 finale while the acoustic version of "Gimme Shelter" was playing, but at least there was a ton of stuff going on during it.

Oh well, take the good with the bad I guess.

I'm almost caught up with the series, but the long music/reflection scenes are among my favorite parts.I'm not even a music fan (listen to talk radio and haven't bought any music nearly 15 years). But this show does it fairly well, at worst, and sometimes it's downright moving.

It seems to me that there's usually alot going on in these scenes. The story's not always moving, but there's usually alot of emotion.

The S1 and S3 finales were downright chilling because of this. I still can't get "John the Revelator" out of my head. I had never even heard of "Hey, hey, my, my" before, but that damn near brought me to tears. That shot of Jax' face and "the king is gone, but he's not forgotten" line was fantastic. Starting the song at Teller-Morrow with the "there's more to the story than meet's the eye" line was a nice touch too.

Those are extreme examples obviously, but even when they go marathon on a song in a normal episode, it doesn't feel like waste of time to me.

I don't think the show would be the same without making heavy and effective use of these scenes.

ETA: I have not yet seen the scene I assume you guys are referring to specifically above though. Just finished a 3 season marathon and missed S4E1. I really hate I missed that, obviously.

I am not a fan of them. Maybe once a season is ok but every episode? I think part of why I dont like them is they just remind me I am watching the guys version of One Tree Hill. I used to tease my wife about that crap all the time. I think she is waiting for the perfect time to get me back.

If she didn't get you during the "Jax contemplating giving up Abel" scene last season, then she missed her chance. Nothing will be worse than that.

 

[The Noid]

Some comments from Sutter on the Juice storyline here.

There seems to be some confusion about Juice's discomfort and fear regarding the discovery of his black father. This is a racial reality in outlaw motorcycle clubs. We've touched on the issue lightly over the first three seasons of SOA. The fact is that most of the bigger MC's do not have African American members. There are black clubs and there are white (Caucasian, Latino, Asian) clubs. Most live in harmony. HA and the East Bay Dragons have been friends for decades. That relationship inspired the Grim Bastards in season 3. We delve into the delicate why's and how's of this racial bi-law later in the season, but it was one of those odd, historical barriers that I've wanted to explore. It's a throwback to a different era that is still in practice today. I can honestly say that none of the guys I know in the life are racist, yet they function within a structure that is built upon a form of segregation. To me, that's fascinating and fertile story turf. The depth and weight of this rule varies from club to club and this season we see how it's handled by the Sons of Anarchy.

 

[Insein]

Some comments from Sutter on the Juice storyline here.

There seems to be some confusion about Juice's discomfort and fear regarding the discovery of his black father. This is a racial reality in outlaw motorcycle clubs. We've touched on the issue lightly over the first three seasons of SOA. The fact is that most of the bigger MC's do not have African American members. There are black clubs and there are white (Caucasian, Latino, Asian) clubs. Most live in harmony. HA and the East Bay Dragons have been friends for decades. That relationship inspired the Grim Bastards in season 3. We delve into the delicate why's and how's of this racial bi-law later in the season, but it was one of those odd, historical barriers that I've wanted to explore. It's a throwback to a different era that is still in practice today. I can honestly say that none of the guys I know in the life are racist, yet they function within a structure that is built upon a form of segregation. To me, that's fascinating and fertile story turf. The depth and weight of this rule varies from club to club and this season we see how it's handled by the Sons of Anarchy.

Well at least he knows where he's going with it. Hopefully he doesn't make it stupid though. If they burn Juice because his dad is black but have no beef with Clay and Tig for trying to kill a patch, then it makes no sense.

 

[thecatch]

Some comments from Sutter on the Juice storyline here.

There seems to be some confusion about Juice's discomfort and fear regarding the discovery of his black father. This is a racial reality in outlaw motorcycle clubs. We've touched on the issue lightly over the first three seasons of SOA. The fact is that most of the bigger MC's do not have African American members. There are black clubs and there are white (Caucasian, Latino, Asian) clubs. Most live in harmony. HA and the East Bay Dragons have been friends for decades. That relationship inspired the Grim Bastards in season 3. We delve into the delicate why's and how's of this racial bi-law later in the season, but it was one of those odd, historical barriers that I've wanted to explore. It's a throwback to a different era that is still in practice today. I can honestly say that none of the guys I know in the life are racist, yet they function within a structure that is built upon a form of segregation. To me, that's fascinating and fertile story turf. The depth and weight of this rule varies from club to club and this season we see how it's handled by the Sons of Anarchy.

I don't have a problem with him exploring this theme in an abstract sense, but it just seems inconsistent with how the SOA have acted in previous seasons and thus a little forced.

 

[pollardsvision]

Some comments from Sutter on the Juice storyline here.

There seems to be some confusion about Juice's discomfort and fear regarding the discovery of his black father. This is a racial reality in outlaw motorcycle clubs. We've touched on the issue lightly over the first three seasons of SOA. The fact is that most of the bigger MC's do not have African American members. There are black clubs and there are white (Caucasian, Latino, Asian) clubs. Most live in harmony. HA and the East Bay Dragons have been friends for decades. That relationship inspired the Grim Bastards in season 3. We delve into the delicate why's and how's of this racial bi-law later in the season, but it was one of those odd, historical barriers that I've wanted to explore. It's a throwback to a different era that is still in practice today. I can honestly say that none of the guys I know in the life are racist, yet they function within a structure that is built upon a form of segregation. To me, that's fascinating and fertile story turf. The depth and weight of this rule varies from club to club and this season we see how it's handled by the Sons of Anarchy.

I don't have a problem with him exploring this theme in an abstract sense, but it just seems inconsistent with how the SOA have acted in previous seasons and thus a little forced.

I buy it. We'll see how it goes down, but I don't think it would be terribly out of character for some of the Samcro guys to be upset.Samcro hasn't shown signs of being terribly progressive on racial issues.

Samcro hated the AB, but we have no evidence that that hate had anything to do with racial issues. They just didn't want to be told what they can and can't do.

We're talking about an outlaw motorcycle gang made up of mostly old white dudes (and younger white dudes raised somewhat off the grid by old white outlaws).

Curious to see how the club will stand on it. Obviously, Clay will be very mad. Jax will not. After that, it's anybody's guess.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

So they're going to make Juice a biker Rosa Parks. Meh.

Last night's episode was a solid one. Really showing the club start to crumble.

 

[Brady Marino]

So they're going to make Juice a biker Rosa Parks. Meh.Last night's episode was a solid one. Really showing the club start to crumble.

And not even other charters respect Clay anymore. Last season, Belfast made a big deal of Samcro coming to town. Tuscon? Yeah, not so much.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

So basically Clay is trying to do his part to alienate all of the SAMCRO members. Clay is going to be ousted as President due to his misguided compass, and this will put Jacks in as President. Just what Clay wanted from the beginning.

 

[pollardsvision]

So, do Gemma/Clay try to kill Tara this season? Or is it now just a matter of when and how? Does she organize it herself or wait until Clay takes the threat seriously?

I imagine Gemma would kill for alot less than someone who might expose that she and her husband killed her son's father. Surest way to keep Jax in Samcro too.

I assume an attempt on Tara's life is coming pretty soon. I hope Sutter's not crazy enough to see it succeed though. The show obviously needs Tara for much longer.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

So, do Gemma/Clay try to kill Tara this season? Or is it now just a matter of when and how? Does she organize it herself or wait until Clay takes the threat seriously?I imagine Gemma would kill for alot less than someone who might expose that she and her husband killed her son's father. Surest way to keep Jax in Samcro too.I assume an attempt on Tara's life is coming pretty soon. I hope Sutter's not crazy enough to see it succeed though. The show obviously needs Tara for much longer.

I think at least one of Clay or Gemma have mellowed and wouldn't kill Tara but instead brace for the inevitable confrontation with Jax and hope to keep it quiet from there, from blackmail or something else.

 

[Jaysus]

Not sure why, but I think Clay is going to try to get a little rapey with Tara at some point.

 

[belljr]

So Redwood Originals have no say over other charters? Who do people then petition to become a SOA charter. :dork:

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

Some comments from Sutter on the Juice storyline here.

There seems to be some confusion about Juice's discomfort and fear regarding the discovery of his black father. This is a racial reality in outlaw motorcycle clubs. We've touched on the issue lightly over the first three seasons of SOA. The fact is that most of the bigger MC's do not have African American members. There are black clubs and there are white (Caucasian, Latino, Asian) clubs. Most live in harmony. HA and the East Bay Dragons have been friends for decades. That relationship inspired the Grim Bastards in season 3. We delve into the delicate why's and how's of this racial bi-law later in the season, but it was one of those odd, historical barriers that I've wanted to explore. It's a throwback to a different era that is still in practice today. I can honestly say that none of the guys I know in the life are racist, yet they function within a structure that is built upon a form of segregation. To me, that's fascinating and fertile story turf. The depth and weight of this rule varies from club to club and this season we see how it's handled by the Sons of Anarchy.

I don't have a problem with the premise, but there's no way the guy in the picture could be Juice's dad. to be more realistic, they could have at least picked a black guy who looks a little more like Juice. someone like Dell Curry.

 

[pollardsvision]

Some comments from Sutter on the Juice storyline here.

There seems to be some confusion about Juice's discomfort and fear regarding the discovery of his black father. This is a racial reality in outlaw motorcycle clubs. We've touched on the issue lightly over the first three seasons of SOA. The fact is that most of the bigger MC's do not have African American members. There are black clubs and there are white (Caucasian, Latino, Asian) clubs. Most live in harmony. HA and the East Bay Dragons have been friends for decades. That relationship inspired the Grim Bastards in season 3. We delve into the delicate why's and how's of this racial bi-law later in the season, but it was one of those odd, historical barriers that I've wanted to explore. It's a throwback to a different era that is still in practice today. I can honestly say that none of the guys I know in the life are racist, yet they function within a structure that is built upon a form of segregation. To me, that's fascinating and fertile story turf. The depth and weight of this rule varies from club to club and this season we see how it's handled by the Sons of Anarchy.

I don't have a problem with the premise, but there's no way the guy in the picture could be Juice's dad. to be more realistic, they could have at least picked a black guy who looks a little more like Juice. someone like Dell Curry.

Fair point. Though, the most glaring problem in all of this has been overlooked.What are the chances that a guy nicknamed "Juice" would not be black?

How the club missed that one needs some explaining.

 

[Brady Marino]

Juice is a dead man.

 

[pollardsvision]

Juice is a dead man.

That storyline is starting to annoy me. I buy that his race would be an issue. I don't buy that turning rat and making himself a target of 2 gangs and a cartel is the safer route.He could've come clean and given the club a chance to let him double-agent the sheriff's deputy. I don't know what happens in that scenario, but I highly doubt it's death. Who am I kidding though. There's no drama in a drama unless someone does something incredibly stupid.

 

[belljr]

Still better than kidnapped baby

 

[Abraham]

There is NO WAY on earth that a guy steals a brick of cocaine from a biker club and a drug cartel rather then go to the table and telling his biker-brothers what's going on.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Still better than kidnapped baby

I'm not so sure. I HATE the butchering they're doing with Juice's character. It's terrible. Just terrible. Now we're going to have to watch Juice dealing with the two bikers who saw him in the room. It's horrendous. This is some horrendous writing. It's shocking to see such highs mixed with such lows. I was reluctantly willing to go along with the whole club allowing black people shtick when Juice came clean. Now they have him stealing drugs from his brothers and a cartel? Ugh. Nobody noticed the box storing the coke had been obviously tampered with?

 

[Abraham]

Nobody noticed the box storing the coke had been obviously tampered with?

My thought was that "hidden in a crate and behind a single padlock while one guy stands guard" isn't exactly the security I would put on that much of the white stuff.

 

[belljr]

Verygood points changing my opinion