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***OFFICIAL*** Sons of Anarchy Thread (3 Viewers)

I thought it was a decent enough finale.

I didn't mind the CIA thing. Alot of things didn't get wrapped up, but I'm fine with that too. This is a pretty effed up situation Jax and SOA are in. There's no easy wrapping up with that. We were all expecting so much more to happen and it didn't. I think we got what the story needed, but not necessarily what we wanted (ie, Clay gutted like a pig).

They wrapped up what really needed to be wrapped up: Jax and Tara are all in.

The disappointing part, of course, was the finale montage. "John the Revelator" and "Hey, hey, my, my" were absolutely fantastic and chilling. This season's wasn't very good.

 
To me, the interesting thing is that at the end of the day, we’re telling this story about this hardcore motorcycle club, but I’m realizing more and more for me, I’m really telling it through the eyes of the women.
WTF? It's Jax's show, idiot.
I kind of like that. This isn't anything new here. Gemma's been pulling the strings since the pilot episode. To get to the head of the table, you've either got to be going in, or have come out of, Gemma's ######.

I think the matriarchal aspect of the show makes it far more interesting that it would be otherwise.

 
Oh, and we absolutely need Trixie and her hot daughter back in S5. There's just no excuse not to.

Tara's not ready to go toe to toe with Gemma. She'll need to team up with Maureen, being as they are the only ones who know the contents of those (presumably) destroyed letters (besides Clay and Unser, I guesss)

 
Sons of Anarchy Season Finale Post Mortem: Kurt Sutter Tackles Burning Qs and Previews Season 5

Michael Ausiello

[The following contains major spoilers from Tuesday's Sons of Anarchy Season 4 finale. If you have yet to lay witness to it all, turn back now.]

Phew. Sons of Anarchy concluded what has arguably been its finest season (take note, Emmy!) with an edge-of-your seat, twist-filled, game-altering hour that tied up a number of loose ends and planted just enough seeds to keep viewers pumped for Season 5. In the following Q&A, the show’s passionate, outspoken creator, Kurt Sutter, weighs in on the finale’s biggest question marks and reveals what’s in store when the show returns next year.

TVLINE | Was it always your plan to have Clay survive the season?

Yeah. The character of Clay was essential to me for at least a couple more seasons. There’s so much more dramatic ground to cover with Jax at the head of that table and Clay now almost the Piney character in that he’s weakened and stripped of some of his previous weight and power. To me, that’s a really interesting dynamic. And quite honestly, I didn’t want to waste the power of Jax having that knowledge and passion and knowing about the deceit that happened and the secret that’s been kept from him for all these years with just one episode of him killing Clay. Because then it’s done. He’s avenged his father’s death and it’s almost like that storyline kind of burns out, and I just feel there’s a lot more story to tell there. I equate it to a little bit of what we did on The Shield. When Vic found out that Shane was responsible for killing Lem, we played out a whole season with those two guys knowing that. It was so much fun to have those two guys [harbor] intense hatred and and yet they had to suit up every day and go to work together. That’s just really fun fertile ground for story.

TVLINE | The Tara-Gemma dynamic was forever altered, too. They’re essentially becoming the same person. Moving forward, what is the one thing that prevents Tara from truly becoming like Gemma?

That was always the idea to have Gemma kind of bring Tara close and ultimately create her own little Frankenstein there. Look, I don’t think we’re going to waste the arc that we built with Tara this season. Meaning, she’s not going to go back to the, “Am I in or am I out?” Tara that we’ve seen previously. But clearly Tara is not Gemma… Tara gives Jax that syringe and says, “This is how you [kill Clay].” Well if it was Gemma, she would have already done it, so there’s still an element of Tara that’s somewhat removed. I don’t thing Tara would actually be able to go up to Clay and put a bullet in his head or put the syringe in the tube. Is Tara really capable of becoming Gemma? And what happens if she’s put in a position where she has to make that ultimate sacrifice for her family and her club? Is she going to be capable of going that dark? So I do think they’re definitely some struggles with Tara yet to play out.

TVLINE | Tara and Clay now have something in common, in that they both know that Gemma is concealing the truth about her role in JT’s death from Jax.…

Right.

TVLINE | I have to imagine that that’s going to be a big story for next season.

I think so. It’s interesting — people have been asking me what’s going to happen with Clay and Gemma, and I’m not quite sure yet. I just know that they will always be intrinsically connected because of the secrets and the lies that they have together. And that’s an example of one. It’s why when Gemma sees Clay alive at the end [of the finale], that’s just a really bad thing for her. That’s a really big, dangerous loose end. So that will be something that we will definitely play with next season. And for Tara, that definitely gives her some leverage over Gemma. There are definitely still some loose ends from those letters — even though we see Gemma burning them. The physical evidence is missing, but Tara has enough weight with Jax that if she told him the truth, even without seeing the letters I think he would believe Tara. Perhaps Jax might not believe Clay, but I definitely think he would believe Tara. So I do believe there is some danger there even though she’s destroyed the evidence firsthand.

TVLINE | Is it safe to assume that the crime boss father of Leroy’s dead girlfriend will be a huge character next season?

Yeah. In terms of the level of participation, that always remains to be seen. But I definitely wanted to lay some track for Season 5 and put some complications already on Jax’s shoulder as he’s sitting at the head of the table. He’s already got a problem [going into Season 5].

TVLINE | Is it possible that we’ve seen the last of Opie for now?

I don’t think so. It was never my intention to suggest that he is away. To me, it was just too convenient and too soon for Opie to suddenly come back to that table with Jax. So much has happened to him and he’s such a thoughtful guy. I just think he’s the kind of guy that’s going to [need] a minute to put all this stuff in order in his head. And we’ll probably build some kind of story around that before he’s able to actually come back and be [at Jax's side]. So that was just [a matter of] protecting the character and then to give me some story play for next season as well.

TVLINE | Given the pressing nature of the Irish deal, will Season 5 pick up almost instantly?

Fairly close. Obviously, there’s not going to be the huge break we did between Seasons 3 and 4. But I’ll try to [build in] a little time, maybe a month or so.

TVLINE | Where do you stand on setting an end date to the show?

I’ve had a conversation with [FX president] John Landgraf and I look at [doing] potentially seven seasons. And, honestly, that’s really just coming from the model of the show and knowing that usually by Season 6 and 7 the above-the-line costs start to get pretty high and the show sort of loses profitability and it’s really difficult to continue to [produce] beyond that point. So my thought was that if I could get seven seasons, I’d definitely have stories to tell and a way to end it. So ideally, I’d love to be able to get another three seasons.
 
meh

I thought the final scene of jax and tara becoming the same as the picture of gemma and john was horrible. It looked really forced.

CIA? :rolleyes:

 
I know a lot of people really liked "The Shield" and "SOA" has a pretty big following but Kurt Sutter is pretty hackish. He's like the Dean Koontz of TV writing.
Pretty much. The Shield ratcheted up insane amounts of pressure, but it's seasons resolved in a fairly logical manner. I would say roughly 0% of people who liked that show felt cheated or let down by the series finale.And for a guy who projects a roguish, maverick, "I don't give a ####" image, pretty lame of Sutter to do interviews with EW and dodge one with the great Sepinwall.

Not getting it.

 
Haven't been that disappointed in a finale in a long time. Granted, that's a function of most of the season being great television, but still. I don't understand why they can't just create new, interesting storylines rather than dragging these other ones out that are well past their expiration date. Oh well.

 
A bit of a let down but a great setup for season 5.I knew they would find away to keep Clay around. I just didn't see how he could survive this season. Juice too. I like the idea of Clay sticking around in Piney's role for awhile.ETA:This quote from the article linked above somes the finale up nicely:

If you’ll allow me to be crude for a moment, “Act 2” caused what can only be termed the viewing equivalent of blue balls, a state of high excitement cut short by a slamming door, and no cold shower in the world can take away the ache.
 
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Does anyone care about the Tara-Gemma dynamic?

I dont. And I am not even sure I buy Tara as a character. So she goes to college, med school, works for however many years and realizes she never got over a biker dude she dated from HS

Like others have said, not the best way to close out a dominant season but they are worried about future seasons so it sets it up. I disagree with Sutter. They dont need Clay around for any reason at all. He should have been killed. You need drama for next season. How about Jax going to the Irish and saying Eff off. Deal with me or no one, now get out of my face :spit:

 
Does anyone care about the Tara-Gemma dynamic?

I dont. And I am not even sure I buy Tara as a character. So she goes to college, med school, works for however many years and realizes she never got over a biker dude she dated from HS

Like others have said, not the best way to close out a dominant season but they are worried about future seasons so it sets it up. I disagree with Sutter. They dont need Clay around for any reason at all. He should have been killed. You need drama for next season. How about Jax going to the Irish and saying Eff off. Deal with me or no one, now get out of my face :spit:
I do. But I think I'm about the only one.
 
Does anyone care about the Tara-Gemma dynamic?I dont. And I am not even sure I buy Tara as a character. So she goes to college, med school, works for however many years and realizes she never got over a biker dude she dated from HS
I don't give a crap about Tara-Gemma. It's SONS of Anarchy, not CHICKS of Anarchy.And Tara always bothered me from the start of the series. Never cared for that character.
 
Because, like most everyone, I don't speak fluent Chibbs, I watch with closed captioning on. Jax looked Tig and told him not to sit there. He asked Chibbs if he was ok with that and Chibbs said yes, knowingly sitting down in Tig's seat.I thought the whole thing with the women was totally weak. It's a motorcycle club up to their ### in guns & drugs and it looked like 90210 last night with the women in there. Weak, weak, weak.
Finally caught the finale last night. It was so bad, I thought for a second that Jax was going to ask Tara to be his VP when she walked in late :gang1:
 
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Started :lmao: as soon as the CIA thing was revealed.
Loved the scene where Jax told Tara about the CIA. She looks at him seriously as if she understood completely. Shouldn't her response have been GTFO--CIA my ###?
:lmao:I'm going to try that with my wife some time. "Babe I know I'm like 3 hours late and totally hammered but I was picked up by Impossible Missions Force and..."
 
'Good said:
I know a lot of people really liked "The Shield" and "SOA" has a pretty big following but Kurt Sutter is pretty hackish. He's like the Dean Koontz of TV writing.
Pretty much. The Shield ratcheted up insane amounts of pressure, but it's seasons resolved in a fairly logical manner. I would say roughly 0% of people who liked that show felt cheated or let down by the series finale.And for a guy who projects a roguish, maverick, "I don't give a ####" image, pretty lame of Sutter to do interviews with EW and dodge one with the great Sepinwall.

Not getting it.
The guy needs to grow some hard bark.
 
'Good said:
I know a lot of people really liked "The Shield" and "SOA" has a pretty big following but Kurt Sutter is pretty hackish. He's like the Dean Koontz of TV writing.
Pretty much. The Shield ratcheted up insane amounts of pressure, but it's seasons resolved in a fairly logical manner. I would say roughly 0% of people who liked that show felt cheated or let down by the series finale.And for a guy who projects a roguish, maverick, "I don't give a ####" image, pretty lame of Sutter to do interviews with EW and dodge one with the great Sepinwall.

Not getting it.
The guy needs to grow some hard bark.
Went back and read some more of his blog. Dude comes off like a 15 year old emo girl at times.
 
I enjoyed it. Sure it solved nothing but I was entertained. You all ##### now but you'll be there for the season premiere next September. The fact that you're even pissed at all shows how great a show this is.

 
I know a lot of people really liked "The Shield" and "SOA" has a pretty big following but Kurt Sutter is pretty hackish. He's like the Dean Koontz of TV writing.
Pretty much. The Shield ratcheted up insane amounts of pressure, but it's seasons resolved in a fairly logical manner. I would say roughly 0% of people who liked that show felt cheated or let down by the series finale.And for a guy who projects a roguish, maverick, "I don't give a ####" image, pretty lame of Sutter to do interviews with EW and dodge one with the great Sepinwall.

Not getting it.
The guy needs to grow some hard bark.
Went back and read some more of his blog. Dude comes off like a 15 year old emo girl at times.
He's beyond sensitive.
 
I enjoyed it. Sure it solved nothing but I was entertained. You all ##### now but you'll be there for the season premiere next September. The fact that you're even pissed at all shows how great a show this is.
I'm not pissed. Just expected it to be better. If a friend sale me what show they should watch for the first four seasons, anarchy would be far behind bb, mm, FNL. Why? Because they get close to knocking it out of the park then take the foot off the gas. I like sons, but it is a good show that' doesn't care about being great. I'm entertained and wouldn't miss it, but it isn't water cooler conversation or anythIng like bb or mm is.
 
I enjoyed it. Sure it solved nothing but I was entertained. You all ##### now but you'll be there for the season premiere next September. The fact that you're even pissed at all shows how great a show this is.
I'm not pissed. Just expected it to be better. If a friend sale me what show they should watch for the first four seasons, anarchy would be far behind bb, mm, FNL. Why? Because they get close to knocking it out of the park then take the foot off the gas. I like sons, but it is a good show that' doesn't care about being great. I'm entertained and wouldn't miss it, but it isn't water cooler conversation or anythIng like bb or mm is.
I don't know what it is about BB or MM but the characters aren't as likable as sons are to me. I watched the first season and a half of BB and was interested in the premise but quickly got bored with it. Mad Men never appealed to me. It tries to be too cool for school. To those that like it, awesome. Just not my thing. Sons isn't some deep, existential show but it has delivered pretty consistently for 4 seasons now. Sure its had hiccups like Abel kidnapping and most of Tara's storylines but its delivered on 80-90% of what its tried to accomplish. Some bad ### bikers killing #### and banging hoes. But I'm probably in the minority who like Sons more than any show on TV right now.
 
I know a lot of people really liked "The Shield" and "SOA" has a pretty big following but Kurt Sutter is pretty hackish. He's like the Dean Koontz of TV writing.
Pretty much. The Shield ratcheted up insane amounts of pressure, but it's seasons resolved in a fairly logical manner. I would say roughly 0% of people who liked that show felt cheated or let down by the series finale.And for a guy who projects a roguish, maverick, "I don't give a ####" image, pretty lame of Sutter to do interviews with EW and dodge one with the great Sepinwall.

Not getting it.
I felt cheated by the series finale of the shield. I needed Mackey to die or be in prison for life.
 
I know a lot of people really liked "The Shield" and "SOA" has a pretty big following but Kurt Sutter is pretty hackish. He's like the Dean Koontz of TV writing.
Pretty much. The Shield ratcheted up insane amounts of pressure, but it's seasons resolved in a fairly logical manner. I would say roughly 0% of people who liked that show felt cheated or let down by the series finale.And for a guy who projects a roguish, maverick, "I don't give a ####" image, pretty lame of Sutter to do interviews with EW and dodge one with the great Sepinwall.

Not getting it.
I felt cheated by the series finale of the shield. I needed Mackey to die or be in prison for life.
The point of Vic not dying or being in prison in the finale was that him having to live with what he had done. Two members of his team dead (Lem by Shane and Shane by Shane) and Ronnie, who had the opportunity to run, and Vic talked him out of it. Vic by being an FBI analyst was trapped there for three years to do nothing of what he cared about. He thought he was about his family and team, but he betrayed them all other than Lem. Vic gets to deal with being hated by Farmington police, anyone at the FBI who knows what he did, his family, and every criminal he ever screwed over. Yes, Vic didn't die or go to prison, but he will soon become as irrelevant as his old partner Joe (Carl Weathers).Back to SOA, I wanted Clay dead as much as anyone else, but much like Vic was made to suffer so will Clay. Clay will have no control and become the "worthless old guy" Piney role.

 
i was fliiping through the channels and caught The Postman on SciFy (still on) because i heard it is one of the worst movies ever. Low and behold got a nice surprise in the movie.....

Opie is one of the postmen, or whatever the "good" guys seem to be. Pretty funny, really is not the Opie i have come to know
 
i was fliiping through the channels and caught The Postman on SciFy (still on) because i heard it is one of the worst movies ever. Low and behold got a nice surprise in the movie.....

Opie is one of the postmen, or whatever the "good" guys seem to be. Pretty funny, really is not the Opie i have come to know
He was also in Saving Private Ryan...he was the Airborne guy who was deaf "RYAN!!?... JAMES RYAN???"
 
I enjoyed it. Sure it solved nothing but I was entertained. You all ##### now but you'll be there for the season premiere next September. The fact that you're even pissed at all shows how great a show this is.
I'm not pissed. Just expected it to be better. If a friend sale me what show they should watch for the first four seasons, anarchy would be far behind bb, mm, FNL. Why? Because they get close to knocking it out of the park then take the foot off the gas. I like sons, but it is a good show that' doesn't care about being great. I'm entertained and wouldn't miss it, but it isn't water cooler conversation or anythIng like bb or mm is.
have to really disagree with breaking bad comparison. I agree that Sons could push the pace more, but take out the last season and maybe it is viewed better. Never watched MM, but breaking bad seems like a show that was written for one season being drug out for 3 or 4. first season was pretty amazing, but since has been the same thing over and over and seems artificially extended
 
i was fliiping through the channels and caught The Postman on SciFy (still on) because i heard it is one of the worst movies ever. Low and behold got a nice surprise in the movie.....

Opie is one of the postmen, or whatever the "good" guys seem to be. Pretty funny, really is not the Opie i have come to know
He was also in Saving Private Ryan...he was the Airborne guy who was deaf "RYAN!!?... JAMES RYAN???"Don't forget Remember the Titans as Gary Bertier (sp?)"LEFT SIDE! STRONG SIDE!"
 
i was fliiping through the channels and caught The Postman on SciFy (still on) because i heard it is one of the worst movies ever. Low and behold got a nice surprise in the movie.....

Opie is one of the postmen, or whatever the "good" guys seem to be. Pretty funny, really is not the Opie i have come to know
The Opie character is so different from anything he's done previously. Its not just the beard (though it helps). He's completely transformed into Opie and allowed you to ignore that he's an actor we've seen before.
 
i was fliiping through the channels and caught The Postman on SciFy (still on) because i heard it is one of the worst movies ever. Low and behold got a nice surprise in the movie.....

Opie is one of the postmen, or whatever the "good" guys seem to be. Pretty funny, really is not the Opie i have come to know
I noticed Jesse from Breaking Bad in the Postman last night as well. Turrible movie, love it :thumbup:
 
i was fliiping through the channels and caught The Postman on SciFy (still on) because i heard it is one of the worst movies ever. Low and behold got a nice surprise in the movie.....

Opie is one of the postmen, or whatever the "good" guys seem to be. Pretty funny, really is not the Opie i have come to know
I noticed Jesse from Breaking Bad in the Postman last night as well. Turrible movie, love it :thumbup: Dat's da bomb, yo! Yo, like, for real!
 
i was fliiping through the channels and caught The Postman on SciFy (still on) because i heard it is one of the worst movies ever. Low and behold got a nice surprise in the movie.....

Opie is one of the postmen, or whatever the "good" guys seem to be. Pretty funny, really is not the Opie i have come to know
I noticed Jesse from Breaking Bad in the Postman last night as well. Turrible movie, love it :thumbup:
Dat's da bomb, yo! Yo, like, for real!I also saw him popping bottles with Puffy in a Ciroc commercial, yo!
 
Just picked this up, and watched seasons 1-4 end to end.

Pretty good show. I enjoy watching when stuff happens on the show.

Now, the wait. Frig.

 
I enjoyed it. Sure it solved nothing but I was entertained. You all ##### now but you'll be there for the season premiere next September. The fact that you're even pissed at all shows how great a show this is.
:lmao: Missed this back then.
 
:blackdot:

Just saw Jimmy Smits has joined the cast for season 5
As what? A bad guy or a new Son?
A Latino gangbanger who becomes a dangerous mentor to jax. I, unfortunately, haven't figured out how to copy and paste a link using my kindle fire.http://m.deadline.com/2012/04/jimmy-smits-sons-of-anarchy-neron-nero-padilla-fx-drama/

Eta I think I figured it out
He already ruined Dexter with this #### - didn't he? Don't take SOA down with you to Jimmy.
 
i was fliiping through the channels and caught The Postman on SciFy (still on) because i heard it is one of the worst movies ever. Low and behold got a nice surprise in the movie.....

Opie is one of the postmen, or whatever the "good" guys seem to be. Pretty funny, really is not the Opie i have come to know
He was also in Saving Private Ryan...he was the Airborne guy who was deaf "RYAN!!?... JAMES RYAN???"
Don't forget Remember the Titans as Gary Bertier (sp?)"LEFT SIDE! STRONG SIDE!"Holy christ. That's Opie? Almost as shocking as when I found out that Matthew McCaughey played Wooderson in Dazed and Confused. Alright, alright.
 
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i was fliiping through the channels and caught The Postman on SciFy (still on) because i heard it is one of the worst movies ever. Low and behold got a nice surprise in the movie.....

Opie is one of the postmen, or whatever the "good" guys seem to be. Pretty funny, really is not the Opie i have come to know
He was also in Saving Private Ryan...he was the Airborne guy who was deaf "RYAN!!?... JAMES RYAN???"
Don't forget Remember the Titans as Gary Bertier (sp?)"LEFT SIDE! STRONG SIDE!"
Holy christ. That's Opie? Almost as shocking as when I found out that Matthew McCaughey played Woodson in Dazed and Confused. Alright, alright. :lol: Though the deaf guy in Saving Private Ryan was the harder connection.
 
I've had this show in my Netflix queue for a year. I finally said what the hell and started watching it a few weeks ago. This has leapfrogged even Mad Men and Breaking Bad to become my favorite show. Unfortunately I've only seen through Season 3 where they all end up going to prison. So I can't even read through this entire thread.

I think I'll end up buying season 4 on iTunes or Amazon.

 
i was fliiping through the channels and caught The Postman on SciFy (still on) because i heard it is one of the worst movies ever. Low and behold got a nice surprise in the movie.....

Opie is one of the postmen, or whatever the "good" guys seem to be. Pretty funny, really is not the Opie i have come to know
He was also in Saving Private Ryan...he was the Airborne guy who was deaf "RYAN!!?... JAMES RYAN???"
Don't forget Remember the Titans as Gary Bertier (sp?)"LEFT SIDE! STRONG SIDE!"
Holy christ. That's Opie? Almost as shocking as when I found out that Matthew McCaughey played Woodson in Dazed and Confused. Alright, alright.
:lol: Though the deaf guy in Saving Private Ryan was the harder connection.Also Sgt. Savage in We Were Soldiers. Jon Hamm's in it too.
 

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