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***OFFICIAL*** Steelers 2009 Thread (1 Viewer)

In Bettis' last year, he was in horrible shape, but was still a very good short yardage guy. I wouldn't complain one iota if they sign Duckett. He would improve the short yardage game. How can he not? He is a proven commodity in the short yardage area, whereas the other Steeler RB's are not. Even when the line blocks decent, I have seen the Steeler RB's stumble to try to pick up any positive yardage. As far as who to cut, I am sure they can find someone. That would be the least of my worries.
Ok. Who do you cut to add a 5th RB?I can't find a single name I'd be willing to let go to sign Duckett.
See my edit.
Give us a name !!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:
Theres a few, McDonald possibly. McHugh. Summers. But I must ask, you already said you can't think of anyone, so if I list any, you will simply argue about it with me. :goodposting:We could sign a proven guy for an area of need, or ignore it. I would choose the former.
 
I'd rather have Redman. Even then, I don't know who to cut. Duckett has never been as hyped and I don't know why people actually think he'd ever amount to a baby Bettis.

 
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We could sign a proven guy for an area of need, or ignore it. I would choose the former.
I won't argue with your opinion. We are all entitled.On the big picture basis though I can't see letting any player of value go to sign a player of Duckett's caliber who is no sure bet to solve the problem he is being brought in for.Now if you could find me a capable RG on the market, that is another story.(McHugh is on IR)
 
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We could sign a proven guy for an area of need, or ignore it. I would choose the former.
I won't argue with your opinion. We are all entitled.On the big picture basis though I can't see letting any player of value go to sign a player of Duckett's caliber who is no sure bet to solve the problem he is being brought in for.

Now if you could find me a capable RG on the market, that is another story.

(McHugh is on IR)
This would be a better solution.
 
You guys do remember that Seattle cut Duckett right? You know, the same Seattle that doesn't have much of a running game, and the same Seattle whose head coach used to coach Duckett in Atlanta and LOVED him. Point being, if Seattle says he is washed up, HE IS WASHED UP. As a Hawks fan, I hope you guys do sign him. I would love to see you guys lose a good roster spot to him.

I'd rather have Redman. Even then, I don't know who to cut. Duckett has never been as hyped and I don't know why people actually think he'd ever amount to a baby Bettis.
 
In Bettis' last year, he was in horrible shape, but was still a very good short yardage guy. I wouldn't complain one iota if they sign Duckett. He would improve the short yardage game. How can he not? He is a proven commodity in the short yardage area, whereas the other Steeler RB's are not. Even when the line blocks decent, I have seen the Steeler RB's stumble to try to pick up any positive yardage. As far as who to cut, I am sure they can find someone. That would be the least of my worries.
Ok. Who do you cut to add a 5th RB?I can't find a single name I'd be willing to let go to sign Duckett.
See my edit.
Give us a name !!!!!!!!!!!! :clap:
Theres a few, McDonald possibly. McHugh. Summers. But I must ask, you already said you can't think of anyone, so if I list any, you will simply argue about it with me. :clap:We could sign a proven guy for an area of need, or ignore it. I would choose the former.
No arguments here.. I was just curious who you would personally cut to sign Duckett, that's all.
 
You guys do remember that Seattle cut Duckett right? You know, the same Seattle that doesn't have much of a running game, and the same Seattle whose head coach used to coach Duckett in Atlanta and LOVED him. Point being, if Seattle says he is washed up, HE IS WASHED UP. As a Hawks fan, I hope you guys do sign him. I would love to see you guys lose a good roster spot to him.

I'd rather have Redman. Even then, I don't know who to cut. Duckett has never been as hyped and I don't know why people actually think he'd ever amount to a baby Bettis.
You do realize, right, that all he'd need to do is come into the game 3-4 times a game and carry the ball for 1-2 yards? If he can do that, that's all they'd need, no one's looking for him to be a feature back, or even an injury replacement. If he can't even do that, then he wouldn't be signed, it's that simple.
 
You guys do remember that Seattle cut Duckett right? You know, the same Seattle that doesn't have much of a running game, and the same Seattle whose head coach used to coach Duckett in Atlanta and LOVED him. Point being, if Seattle says he is washed up, HE IS WASHED UP. As a Hawks fan, I hope you guys do sign him. I would love to see you guys lose a good roster spot to him.

I'd rather have Redman. Even then, I don't know who to cut. Duckett has never been as hyped and I don't know why people actually think he'd ever amount to a baby Bettis.
Yeah, I don't want Duckett. My fellow Steeler fans are losing their minds.
 
You do realize, right, that all he'd need to do is come into the game 3-4 times a game and carry the ball for 1-2 yards? If he can do that, that's all they'd need, no one's looking for him to be a feature back, or even an injury replacement. If he can't even do that, then he wouldn't be signed, it's that simple.
If the only problem with the running game was third-and-short and I thought that Duckett was the man then I would have no problem bringing him in. The problem goes much deeper than that and frankly I doubt that Duckett could do any better than our current backs.Going for Duckett is a desperate act and I hope we aren't there after week 1.
 
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Harrison dismisses Bo Scaife's complaint

Bo Scaife took exception to the hit that James Harrison made on him last Thursday, which caused a fumble, and the Tennessee tight end recently called it a dirty play. Harrison's reaction? "I don't give a damn what he said," the Steelers outside linebacker said after practice Wednesday. "If I hit high, I get fined. If I hit him low, I keep money in my pocket." Harrison, who was docked $7,500 by the NFL for driving the quarterback into the ground in the Steelers' first preseason game on Aug. 13, did not get fined for his hit on Scaife.

 
Idiot Boxer said:
I'd rather have Redman. Even then, I don't know who to cut. Duckett has never been as hyped and I don't know why people actually think he'd ever amount to a baby Bettis.
Agreed on Redman over Duckett. If they can't get Redman on the active roster because he can't play special teams I assume the same would hold true for Duckett. It's way too early to give up on Mendenhall but I wonder at what point/if ever this season they would de-activate him and let FWP and Mewelde carry the load and look to Redman or someone else in short yardage.
 
Idiot Boxer said:
I'd rather have Redman. Even then, I don't know who to cut. Duckett has never been as hyped and I don't know why people actually think he'd ever amount to a baby Bettis.
Agreed on Redman over Duckett. If they can't get Redman on the active roster because he can't play special teams I assume the same would hold true for Duckett. It's way too early to give up on Mendenhall but I wonder at what point/if ever this season they would de-activate him and let FWP and Mewelde carry the load and look to Redman or someone else in short yardage.
The way FWP looked, I would think they would sit him down first.
 
For those calling for Redman, you realize that 31 other teams passed on him when he was placed on waivers, right?

 
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For those calling for Redman, you realize that 31 other teams passed on him when he was placed on waivers, right?
This is different from Duckett how?
Not all teams are looking for a goal line/short yardage back. Duckett is a proven short yardage back, which some teams (?) including the Steelers seem to need. Redman not so much. Redman only sees time if Parker/Mendy gets hurt. And even then, probably not much at all. Redman opened up some eyes in camp. Even the Steelers top brass said so. I think we can trust them based on their track record. But, he still didn't make the team....That, along with no other teams taking him, should tell you something.
 
For those calling for Redman, you realize that 31 other teams passed on him when he was placed on waivers, right?
This is different from Duckett how?
Not all teams are looking for a goal line/short yardage back. Duckett is a proven short yardage back, which some teams (?) including the Steelers seem to need. Redman not so much. Redman only sees time if Parker/Mendy gets hurt. And even then, probably not much at all. Redman opened up some eyes in camp. Even the Steelers top brass said so. I think we can trust them based on their track record. But, he still didn't make the team....That, along with no other teams taking him, should tell you something.
Please show your work.
 
I think Mendy has shown the strength and drive to be successful running short yardage plays if he had ANY confidence in the line not to be blown backwards. I think half of the RBs tentativeness behind the line is that they anticipate a 70% chance that they will have to pick a different hole than the play was designed for.

 
For those calling for Redman, you realize that 31 other teams passed on him when he was placed on waivers, right?
This is different from Duckett how?
Not all teams are looking for a goal line/short yardage back. Duckett is a proven short yardage back, which some teams (?) including the Steelers seem to need. Redman not so much. Redman only sees time if Parker/Mendy gets hurt. And even then, probably not much at all. Redman opened up some eyes in camp. Even the Steelers top brass said so. I think we can trust them based on their track record. But, he still didn't make the team....That, along with no other teams taking him, should tell you something.
Please show your work.
What, you mean aside from him being the short yardage/goal line vulture guy for every team he has played for?
 
For those calling for Redman, you realize that 31 other teams passed on him when he was placed on waivers, right?
This is different from Duckett how?
Not all teams are looking for a goal line/short yardage back. Duckett is a proven short yardage back, which some teams (?) including the Steelers seem to need. Redman not so much. Redman only sees time if Parker/Mendy gets hurt. And even then, probably not much at all. Redman opened up some eyes in camp. Even the Steelers top brass said so. I think we can trust them based on their track record. But, he still didn't make the team....That, along with no other teams taking him, should tell you something.
Please show your work.
What, you mean aside from him being the short yardage/goal line vulture guy for every team he has played for?
Urban legend more than actual reality.http://www.nfl.com/players/careerstats?id=DUC245183

shows that only in 2008 did he even post decent 1st%.

 
Urban legend more than actual reality.

http://www.nfl.com/players/careerstats?id=DUC245183

shows that only in 2008 did he even post decent 1st%.
Should probably check out his situational stats:link

This shows his effectiveness in the role.

And:

link

In this article about Seattle cutting him, it states that he "led Seattle with eight touchdowns rushing last season. But he did not start a game in his only season with the Seahawks, and he was relegated by former coach Mike Holmgren to almost exclusively being a short-yardage back."

That article also gives a bit of insight as to why they cut him and signed Edge. It's not because he couldn't get the job done.

 
Godsbrother said:
Evilgrin 72 said:
You do realize, right, that all he'd need to do is come into the game 3-4 times a game and carry the ball for 1-2 yards? If he can do that, that's all they'd need, no one's looking for him to be a feature back, or even an injury replacement. If he can't even do that, then he wouldn't be signed, it's that simple.
If the only problem with the running game was third-and-short and I thought that Duckett was the man then I would have no problem bringing him in. The problem goes much deeper than that and frankly I doubt that Duckett could do any better than our current backs.Going for Duckett is a desperate act and I hope we aren't there after week 1.
Don't get me wrong.. I'm not looking for him to fix the running game in any appreciable way, but the constant failures in short yardage situations is driving me insane. It's not anything I'm used to seeing with this team and sooner or later, it's going to symbolize a death blow in a pivotal game.
 
With no attention being paid to the O line the past few years, the running out of town of one of the best blocking FB's in the game to go along with much different formations not geared to run or even look like a run play, goofy play-calling by a goofy coordinator, mixed in with a fast aging once marquee RB, along with the drafting of a RB who has not yet shown anything, this was bound to happen to the running game.

No quick fix, other than a signing of an O line(s)man. The good ones are already playing. Or....sign a brute RB that can make a 2-3 yard hole for himself.

:thumbup:

 
For those calling for Redman, you realize that 31 other teams passed on him when he was placed on waivers, right?
This is different from Duckett how?
Not all teams are looking for a goal line/short yardage back. Duckett is a proven short yardage back, which some teams (?) including the Steelers seem to need. Redman not so much. Redman only sees time if Parker/Mendy gets hurt. And even then, probably not much at all. Redman opened up some eyes in camp. Even the Steelers top brass said so. I think we can trust them based on their track record. But, he still didn't make the team....That, along with no other teams taking him, should tell you something.
Please show your work.
Using the Data Dominator, I compared Duckett, Bettis, Brandon Jacobs (best example of power back in the league today, IMO,) and Parker in 2 different categories.First downs in short yardage situations (2 yds or less) :

Bettis : 81 FD / 118 carries - 68.6%

Duckett : 85/126 - 67.5%

Jacobs : 84/127 - 66.1%

Parker : 57/93 - 61.2%

TDs on runs from the 2 yard line or closer :

Duckett : 26 TDs / 37 carries - 70.2%

Bettis : 23/41 - 56.1%

Jacobs : 21/41 - 51.2%

Parker : 7/15 - 46.6%

This shows me that Duckett, if he's not completely washed up (and a workout would indicate such prior to signing) could be a very effective short yardage option.

 
For those calling for Redman, you realize that 31 other teams passed on him when he was placed on waivers, right?
This is different from Duckett how?
Not all teams are looking for a goal line/short yardage back. Duckett is a proven short yardage back, which some teams (?) including the Steelers seem to need. Redman not so much. Redman only sees time if Parker/Mendy gets hurt. And even then, probably not much at all. Redman opened up some eyes in camp. Even the Steelers top brass said so. I think we can trust them based on their track record. But, he still didn't make the team....That, along with no other teams taking him, should tell you something.
Please show your work.
Using the Data Dominator, I compared Duckett, Bettis, Brandon Jacobs (best example of power back in the league today, IMO,) and Parker in 2 different categories.First downs in short yardage situations (2 yds or less) :

Bettis : 81 FD / 118 carries - 68.6%

Duckett : 85/126 - 67.5%

Jacobs : 84/127 - 66.1%

Parker : 57/93 - 61.2%

TDs on runs from the 2 yard line or closer :

Duckett : 26 TDs / 37 carries - 70.2%

Bettis : 23/41 - 56.1%

Jacobs : 21/41 - 51.2%

Parker : 7/15 - 46.6%

This shows me that Duckett, if he's not completely washed up (and a workout would indicate such prior to signing) could be a very effective short yardage option.
Does it change your mind at all about him? I think they should bring him in for a tryout at least. If they wait much longer, another team may sign him. He already had a tryout last week with another team.
 
Idiot Boxer said:
I'd rather have Redman. Even then, I don't know who to cut. Duckett has never been as hyped and I don't know why people actually think he'd ever amount to a baby Bettis.
Agreed on Redman over Duckett. If they can't get Redman on the active roster because he can't play special teams I assume the same would hold true for Duckett. It's way too early to give up on Mendenhall but I wonder at what point/if ever this season they would de-activate him and let FWP and Mewelde carry the load and look to Redman or someone else in short yardage.
The way FWP looked, I would think they would sit him down first.
It is more than just deactivating Parker or Mendenhall -- they would need to cut someone from the 53-man roster to make roon for Redman or Duckett. I don't see that happening unless someone goes down with an injury.
 
Jimwexell: Timmons practiced and "made great strides," said LeBeau, who added that he's not 100 percent. Timmons agreed. #steele

Huge news IMO with Troy out.

We need that explosive prescence in the middle of the field to deal with the tight ends and backs in the passing game.

 
Using the Data Dominator, I compared Duckett, Bettis, Brandon Jacobs (best example of power back in the league today, IMO,) and Parker in 2 different categories.First downs in short yardage situations (2 yds or less) :Bettis : 81 FD / 118 carries - 68.6%Duckett : 85/126 - 67.5%Jacobs : 84/127 - 66.1%Parker : 57/93 - 61.2%TDs on runs from the 2 yard line or closer :Duckett : 26 TDs / 37 carries - 70.2%Bettis : 23/41 - 56.1%Jacobs : 21/41 - 51.2%Parker : 7/15 - 46.6%This shows me that Duckett, if he's not completely washed up (and a workout would indicate such prior to signing) could be a very effective short yardage option.
But, how much of that short-yardage success can be skewed by the Falcons offense with Mike Vick. A QB with his running ability and the O line coach and success that Atlanta had makes a defense a little handicapped attacking the dive plays. Just curious if there was a way to filter those stats to remove the Mike Vick years for Duckett, who IMO looks like Tarzan and plays like (D/J)ayne.
 
For those calling for Redman, you realize that 31 other teams passed on him when he was placed on waivers, right?
This is different from Duckett how?
Not all teams are looking for a goal line/short yardage back. Duckett is a proven short yardage back, which some teams (?) including the Steelers seem to need. Redman not so much. Redman only sees time if Parker/Mendy gets hurt. And even then, probably not much at all. Redman opened up some eyes in camp. Even the Steelers top brass said so. I think we can trust them based on their track record. But, he still didn't make the team....That, along with no other teams taking him, should tell you something.
Please show your work.
From the Data Dominator:TJ Duckett's career totals on 3rd & 4th down with 1-2 yds to go:

ATL (2002-05) 38ATT - 57YDS - 1.5AVG - 16FD - 0TD (<50% First Down conversion)

WAS (2006) 5 - 48 - 9.6 - 4 - 1 (80% FD conversion)

DET (2007) 4 - 6 - 1.5 - 2 - 0 (50%)

SEA (2008) 20 - 43 - 2.15 - 16 - 1 (80%)

TOTAL 67 ATT - 154 YDS - 2.3 YPC - 38 First Downs - 2 TD (56%)

The total average is a bit misleading (as is the YPC being skewed by 5 carries as a Redskin)

Seems to me Duckett is only as good as his offensive line. Sounds familiar.

FYI Duckett ranks 21st since 2002 in number of First downs in this setting.

Bettis was #19 (45 FDs on 61 ATT - 74%)

WarrickDunn was #17 (48 FDs on 78 ATT - 62%)

ETA - Grin beat me to the Dominator! :shrug:

But the difference seems to show that Duckett has a bunch of carries on 2nd & short where he was more successful that on 3rd or 4th down. I didn't breakout the TDs on goal line carries.

 
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That IS interesting. Funny that they ran better with 1 TE than 2...
Not so funny considering that 2nd TE is Spaeth. I had high hopes, but he has proven to be a simply awful blocking TE. Defenses constantly shift and force him to ISO block a DE and he gets blown up every time.Ramon Foster needs a shot at RG sooner rather than later. I know he's the swing tackle, but damn a competent RG would go a long ways in shoring up this line. I truly believe that is the key to improvement along the OL. If Hartwig could routinely help Kemo, we'd see a positive difference in the running production.

It seems intuitive, but given the personnel we have it makes more sense to run out of a 3-wide set. When Arians is compelled to run in 2 TE sets at least get Johnson in at either TE or FB.

 
For those calling for Redman, you realize that 31 other teams passed on him when he was placed on waivers, right?
and FWP was undrafted so 32 teams passed on him 7 times
Understood, but when the Steelers watched Parker every day in camp they obviously saw what he was capable of. They saw Redman every day in camp...and they placed him on waivers. That's not to say that he can't develop into a good back, but he apparently isn't ready for that right now.
 
I think that is a statement about our 2nd TE's blocking ability.
I think it's also a reflection of the playcalling when two TEs are in there.How many times over the past couple years have we seen them motion one of the TEs in a double set in the I Formation, to one side or the other, and then try and run behind both he and the FB? It's a dead damn giveaway which side the play is going to probably 80% of the time. If I've picked up that pattern(regardless of what percentage they actually do it), I'm sure that most DCs have too.They do it even moreso in short yardage when they shift the H-Back. Drives me nuts.
 

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