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***Official Super Bowl LII Thread*** - Eagles vs Patriots (3 Viewers)

ahh one more:

Philly accent >>>>>>>>>>>>>. Boston accent  -  tricky part is Philly has variations, from NE, to South Philly to Roxborough. My wife is scared to death our daughter will have a thick Philly accent, but i still think Philly can edge this one out

 
so what you're saying.......  Philly food >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Boston food  :brush:

to be honest, and hate any serious responses, but correlate the poor neighbors and obesity and it gets frightening

 
JuniorGong said:
Boston has better restaurants 

Boston has smarter people

Boston has hotter and sluttier women

Bruins better than Flyers

Red Sox better than Phillies

Celtics better than Sixers

Patriots better than Eagles

Philly has Boston beat when it comes to Asian massage parlors and obnoxious Italians. Amazingly, Philly beats Boston when it comes to being a racist city.
it is funny you have explored the Asian massage parlors in both cities. good job? i didn't know you guys got the internet in Rhode Island, so congrats at least on that

 
so what you're saying.......  Philly food >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Boston food  :brush:

to be honest, and hate any serious responses, but correlate the poor neighbors and obesity and it gets frightening
Philly cheesesteaks are tasty...

But it could also be the lack of exercise in Philly, which is 6th worst:

"Twenty-nine percent of adult Philadelphians, the same figure as for El Paso, Texas, answered “no” to the following question: “During the past month, other than your regular job, did you participate in any physical activities or exercises such as running, calisthenics, golf, gardening, or walking for exercise?”

http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/analysis/2017/07/25/philadelphia-ranks-high-for-smoking-and-other-unhealthy-behaviors

 
Last year, the official super bowl thread reached page 19 when the Pats kicked a field goal in the 2nd quarter of the game.

One week from kickoff, we have 19 pages of #####ing between Philly and Boston fans about whose city is best or something. Jesus. 

 
Getting pressure with 3 :lmao:
Apparently you haven't been watching the Eagles this year. 

Long, Cox and Barnett is arguably the best 3 man rush in the league this year.

I doubt Brady and Belicheck feel the same way as you do since Cox will get double teamed.

Getting pressure while dropping 8 into coverage.  :thumbup:

And it's just one of many line groupings the Eagles have. 

Another good one is with Graham, Jernigan, Cox and Curry.

The Pats must take care of Cox or it's going to be a long day for Brady.

 
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NE's offense and Brady has had a great deal of success against Schwartz D's in the past.

They are well aware of the concepts.

I will give you that the talent Schwartz has is better, but still, Brady has ripped this guys D before.
Past performance & future results and all that. 

This is the best defense I can remember NE facing in a Super Bowl, and the worst defense I can recall NE having in a SB. 

While I agree Brady & Co will score, I question how much. And equally I question whether NE can stop Philly from scoring. 

When it comes to big games I find defense matters more. IMO the Pats are outclassed on defense in this game, and by a fairly wide margin. 

And NE’s schtick has long been “take away the opponent’s best player.” - I’m not sure they can do that with the depth the Eagles have on defense.

fearlesss prediction: philly wins in an upset, 31-26

 
Apparently you haven't been watching the Eagles this year. 

Long, Cox and Barnett is arguably the best 3 man rush in the league this year.

I doubt Brady and Belicheck feel the same way as you do since Cox will get double teamed.

Getting pressure while dropping 8 into coverage.  :thumbup:

And it's just one of many line groupings the Eagles have. 

Another good one is with Graham, Jernigan, Cox and Curry.

The Pats must take care of Cox or it's going to be a long day for Brady.
Agree 100%

Eagles pass rush will be the best the Pats have seen this playoff run.

JAX shoulda been, but maybe the stage was too big for them or something. It wasn’t a good post season for “sacksonville”. What’d they allow, 62 points in 2 games or something? And as other have said, they got up a little and took their foot off the gas against the Pats.

i don’t see the Eagles doing that at all. Brady is going to get hit early & often. 

 
Agree 100%

Eagles pass rush will be the best the Pats have seen this playoff run.

JAX shoulda been, but maybe the stage was too big for them or something. It wasn’t a good post season for “sacksonville”. What’d they allow, 62 points in 2 games or something? And as other have said, they got up a little and took their foot off the gas against the Pats.

i don’t see the Eagles doing that at all. Brady is going to get hit early & often. 
Eagles pass rush is very good no doubt, but Brady gets hit early and often a lot. Not easy to sustain a frenetic rush for 60 mins hence the numerous late comebacks. Don't think Philly's secondary is nearly as good as Jags so theres that as well. If Brady has time I think Cooks has a big day. Having said that it really should be an outstanding game between two fairly evenly matched teams. 

 
Past performance & future results and all that. 

This is the best defense I can remember NE facing in a Super Bowl, and the worst defense I can recall NE having in a SB. 

While I agree Brady & Co will score, I question how much. And equally I question whether NE can stop Philly from scoring. 

When it comes to big games I find defense matters more. IMO the Pats are outclassed on defense in this game, and by a fairly wide margin. 

And NE’s schtick has long been “take away the opponent’s best player.” - I’m not sure they can do that with the depth the Eagles have on defense.

fearlesss prediction: philly wins in an upset, 31-26
I think the eagles win by 2 scores

 
I think Seattle would beg to differ.
Let them go they are rolling, they think Philly will get constant pressure with 3 and the greatest coach and qb, maybe ever, won't adjust. Philly can win the game, but if they rush 3 most the game Brady will pick them apart. 

 
Kwai Chang Caine said:
If you want to remark about the Phillies being the last team in baseball to integrate than fine. But your last statement crosses the line. You don't live here. You don't know what the #### you're talking about about.
Boston and surroundings are far and away the most....umm, how can I put it.....caucasion-prefered area in the US. Not even disputable. 

 
Guys C'mon, just stop, its the SB thread for cryin out loud and it deserves better. I urge/beg my NE brethren not to contribute/collaborate with those who want to drag the thread down the toilet. .

Its the SB baby, and Its possible to be passionate and hard hitting and still maintain a level of decency toward one and other.

Peace baby!

 
I think Seattle would beg to differ.
 A fair point… I think this Eagles defense is on par with that Seattle defense. And I think this patriots offense isn’t quite as good as that patriots offense.

 And to be fair… Seattle should’ve won that game. hand the ball to Marshawn lynch and Brady has one less ring.

 
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Eagles pass rush is very good no doubt, but Brady gets hit early and often a lot. Not easy to sustain a frenetic rush for 60 mins hence the numerous late comebacks. Don't think Philly's secondary is nearly as good as Jags so theres that as well. If Brady has time I think Cooks has a big day. Having said that it really should be an outstanding game between two fairly evenly matched teams. 
 I did predict it to be close. I think if nothing else, Philly covers… Especially for those of us who got them at +6. 

That said, while the jags secondary should have been better than the eagles, they weren't in the playoffs.  They were positively torched by Ben Roethlisberger, and Brady had his way with them as well.  Seriously… They lose Gronk And the Jaguars let Brady destroy them with Danny Amendola?  Dude’s 5 feet tall and 70 years old FFS. 

 In my opinion the combination of pass rush and quality of secondary makes the Eagles an overall better unit. At least in the playoffs they played us a better  defensive unit. 

 As for Cooks, the dude has oven mitts for hands. I suspect that’s why New Orleans let him go, but he certainly hasn’t done a whole lot in New England to impress me.  That one drop in the game against Jacksonville was absolutely brutal. Easy touchdown if he catches the ball, and Brady placed it right on his hands in stride.

So to me, the jury is still out on cooks and his effectiveness.  Maybe rephrase that to say “if cooks has a good game, the patriots have a much better chance.”

 I think Brady is good for 2 to 3 touchdowns regardless of what cooks does.  But I still feel like they’re going to lose this game. 

  I agree that it should be an excellent Super Bowl though.  And while I would never wish for anyone to get hurt, there would be a sort of poetic justice Brady were to get injured, and the patriots did not have Jimmy Garoppolo to turn to. 

 Especially considering who their current backup is. 

 
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But they didn't.

Watch this and you'll gain an appreciation for preparedness and Bill's ability to stay cool while others panic. It's not dumb luck that other team's crap their pants when it counts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeNYQaS3rZI
I never said it was dumb luck. I just think Pete Carroll made a stupid call. One of those, “you’re a genius if it works” calls.

 Honestly, I’m not sure the patriots had anything to do with it… Peep Carroll makes dumb calls like that all the time. 

 
Eagles pass rush is very good no doubt, but Brady gets hit early and often a lot. Not easy to sustain a frenetic rush for 60 mins hence the numerous late comebacks. Don't think Philly's secondary is nearly as good as Jags so theres that as well. If Brady has time I think Cooks has a big day. Having said that it really should be an outstanding game between two fairly evenly matched teams. 
Philly runs a deep  D-Line.  They have 7 guys on the D-Line taking 40% of the snaps or over.......and a lot of that wasn't because of injury.  

Gassing PHIs D line isn't going to happen because PHI runs themselves out of gas.....Brady is going to have to be successful running the no-huddle and keeping 4 guys on for longer periods of time.  

PHIs secondary is not nearly as good as JAX.  But they will look better if Brady is hurried.

* To me, this is the game...the Eagles D-line against the Patriots O-line and Bradys ability to get the ball out, be protected and neutralize PHIs  D-Line depth.  

 
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" I see dead people" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Do you like apples?" 

 
Philly runs a deep  D-Line.  They have 7 guys on the D-Line taking 40% of the snaps or over.......and a lot of that wasn't because of injury.  

Gassing PHIs D line isn't going to happen because PHI runs themselves out of gas.....Brady is going to have to be successful running the no-huddle and keeping 4 guys on for longer periods of time.  

PHIs secondary is not nearly as good as JAX.  But they will look better if Brady is hurried.

* To me, this is the game...the Eagles D-line against the Patriots O-line and Bradys ability to get the ball out, be protected and neutralize PHIs  D-Line depth.  
I thought going into the MN game our dline vs their oline was the game as well. We won that.  foles going bananas was unexpected vs that def and he's going to look pretty decent again in the Superbowl.  Ne def is the worst def we have faced so far in the playoffs.

 
 I did predict it to be close. I think if nothing else, Philly covers… Especially for those of us who got them at +6. 

That said, while the jags secondary should have been better than the eagles, they weren't in the playoffs.  They were positively torched by Ben Roethlisberger, and Brady had his way with them as well.  Seriously… They lose Gronk And the Jaguars let Brady destroy them with Danny Amendola?  Dude’s 5 feet tall and 70 years old FFS. 

 In my opinion the combination of pass rush and quality of secondary makes the Eagles an overall better unit. At least in the playoffs they played us a better  defensive unit. 

 As for Cooks, the dude has oven mitts for hands. I suspect that’s why New Orleans let him go, but he certainly hasn’t done a whole lot in New England to impress me.  That one drop in the game against Jacksonville was absolutely brutal. Easy touchdown if he catches the ball, and Brady placed it right on his hands in stride.

So to me, the jury is still out on cooks and his effectiveness.  Maybe rephrase that to say “if cooks has a good game, the patriots have a much better chance.”

 I think Brady is good for 2 to 3 touchdowns regardless of what cooks does.  But I still feel like they’re going to lose this game. 

  I agree that it should be an excellent Super Bowl though.  And while I would never wish for anyone to get hurt, there would be a sort of poetic justice Brady were to get injured, and the patriots did not have Jimmy Garoppolo to turn to. 

 Especially considering who their current backup is. 
I agree the smart money play is Phi getting the points, not only r they likely to cover but could easily win the game outright.

I think the jags played a near perfect game overall and their secondary was pretty good until late. They rushed with 4, clogged the middle and moved the ball effectively which is the only real recipe to beat them imo.

Amendola is a damn good player and much like Brown, Welker and Edelman who are also not in the class of a Julio or AB he is still very difficult to defend at times. The guy has made a lot of big plays for them over the last few years, especially in the post season.

I do very much respect the Eagles pass rush but will admit I do not think all that much of the secondary and I just have a feeling Cooks is due and with his speed he could have really big day (as could Hogan). However I concede it isn't going to matter if Brady is on his back and therein lies the key to the game. Not going to comment on injuries other than to say i think it sux Wentz isn't there; if we were playing Pitt I would want to see Ben, if its NO I want to see Brees etc.

 
Philly runs a deep  D-Line.  They have 7 guys on the D-Line taking 40% of the snaps or over.......and a lot of that wasn't because of injury.  

Gassing PHIs D line isn't going to happen because PHI runs themselves out of gas.....Brady is going to have to be successful running the no-huddle and keeping 4 guys on for longer periods of time.  

PHIs secondary is not nearly as good as JAX.  But they will look better if Brady is hurried.

* To me, this is the game...the Eagles D-line against the Patriots O-line and Bradys ability to get the ball out, be protected and neutralize PHIs  D-Line depth.  
Agreed, mitigating Phillys pass rush is a key factor and running the no huddle effectively could well be the decide the game. Can NE hold on early and wear them out over time? That may in large part depend on the NE defs ability to get off the field. If they can't get the Eagles and their outstanding OL off the field it could be a long day and the no huddle O potentially becomes much less a factor. So I wholeheartedly agree the Eagles DL vs NE OL is key, but Eagles OL vs NE DL could well make or break the matchup on the other side of the ball. I expect we will see NE run a ton of no huddle and not allow a lot of substitutions but they won't be able to do it if they can't force some 3 and outs on the other side of the ball. And in a blatant attempt to cover as many bases as i can, the Gilmore Jeffrey match-up is also a big one imho.     

 
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stop the love fest in here, please..all of this 'ypur team is goo, it should be a great game' nonsense. ( joking..sort of).

Philly doesnt win meaningful football games.ever.they last won a title in 1958. before JFK was president.3 years after James Dean's death.yeah,THAT long ago.

Foles is going to choke it away. he's not Jeff Hostetler, he won't be the guy off the bench wins title fuzzy warm story you want to read about.

the Eagles bearely beat a lethargic, offensively challanged Falcons' team , beating them by 'thismuch'. The Vikings just had a snowball effect turned avalanche within in a 6 minute window and they couldn't dig themselves out.

we KNOW this:

Brady will be up , or GO up,  with approx. 3 mins left..they've won and lost nearly every one of their SBs on last minute heroics, for or against..

I'm the biggest NE hater there is, I'd love to see them lose.but they wont. I don't trust Pederson in a big spot in the Big Game, I expect him to tighten up like Andy Reid does ..especially when it matters the MOST, he'll crumble.

final score should be what it always is in a NE SB, a 3-6 pt win for the Pats.

oh, and for those in here who say the best defense the Pats have faced is this Philly defense, the '07 and '11 Giants BEG to differ..the ONLY team to beat the 18-0 Patriots, were the Giants, that makes them one of the NFL's best-ever defenses..yes, if you beat a team thisclose to being  the best ever, you get high marks for your efforts. 

Please, stop the BS and nonsense that Eagles 17'18 defense is something as good as Seattle, or NYG..Seattle's defense wasn't as good as NYG's, they DIDNT win the GAME!!!! we Giants' fans won twice against the Pats..not even McNabb's defense was good enough to win. OR the Panthers. or Rams. 

I'll give you Jim Schwartz is going to bring the house..wasn't there a Thanksgiving game few years ago, where Schwartz's Lions game NE all they could handle but in the end the Pats still won? I'd expect much of the same..NBA type game, tied or NE up by a couple pts, with 2-3 mins to go..

this is the greatest 'who cares' SB in the history of mankind.. seriously, the 423rd SB win for the Pats , or a victory for Philly..uggh..I'd rather poke yarn needles in my eyeballs..good day to hit the beach!

 
Its true and kind of make sense when u consider poor defense leads to more passing yards and poor defense leads to SB losses. Having said that, Brady already bucks a somewhat related trend where most teams who have 50+ pass attempts tend to lose. I know I posted the stat earlier but don't have it handy, suffice to say the vast majority of teams lose with 50+ pass attempts except for one guy and one team; Brady and the Patriots.  

Bradys reply might be something along the lines of "hold my beer", granted it might be guacamole beer but u get the picture  :D

 
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 A fair point… I think this Eagles defense is on par with that Seattle defense. And I think this patriots offense isn’t quite as good as that patriots offense.

 And to be fair… Seattle should’ve won that game. hand the ball to Marshawn lynch and Brady has one less ring.
It's really not as good as that Seattle defense.  Secondary and linebackers are certainly not as good. Which is not to say that the eagles will not give the pats O problems.

 
Fair to say that the Pats will emulate what Eli did in week 15 when he threw for nearly 400 yds and 3 TDs. 

 
Fair to say that the Pats will emulate what Eli did in week 15 when he threw for nearly 400 yds and 3 TDs. 
did it earlier in the season too, that the Eagles won on a last second 61-yard FG. so yeah, the Giants games would be good one's to follow. Gotta figure Eagles know this very well though, and will plan for it. 

Eagles all season have been bend, don't break kind of defense.

 
Fair to say that the Pats will emulate what Eli did in week 15 when he threw for nearly 400 yds and 3 TDs. 
Yea - lost in the "eagles defense is awesome", is that they are awesome at home.  last 4 games they've been light out, yea - but they've all been at home.  They do give up more on the road, and we won't have home field in MN.Brady will get his.  This game will come down, in my opinion, the Foles and the Eagles offense - can they put together the 6 minute drives when it matters?  Can Foles deal with whatever wrinkle Belicheck comes up with for this game?

 
If NE offensive line holds up, not sure PHI offense can keep up with NE. 

I don't expect McCourty will jump up and kick the over-thrown Foles pass that would have otherwise hit him in the chest ...  like the clown from ATL did.

 
Yea - lost in the "eagles defense is awesome", is that they are awesome at home.  last 4 games they've been light out, yea - but they've all been at home.  They do give up more on the road, and we won't have home field in MN.Brady will get his.  This game will come down, in my opinion, the Foles and the Eagles offense - can they put together the 6 minute drives when it matters?  Can Foles deal with whatever wrinkle Belicheck comes up with for this game?
There’s also something to be said for momentum, familiarity & “the eye test”.

Take familiarity first. Eli & the Giants would seem to be far more familiar with the Eagles than most teams. The Patriots maybe not so much. 

Arguably both teams have momentum - after all, they’re both in the Super Bowl. But one comment that came up again and again during the PHI/MIN game  at the party I went to last week was how the Eagles were playing like their heads were on fire. Pats came on late, as they do...but the desperation comeback, however romanticized as “what the pats do”; is still a more difficult win than say, playing dominantly, controlling the clock, etc. I get the Patriots mystique for their come from behind wins, but can that be relied upon against what’s looked like a formidable defense? 

Which leads me to the eye test. To my eye, the Eagles look like the better team. They’re swarming the ball. They’ll make Brady uncomfortable - and as some have pointed out, Brady will have some success against that. And he’ll at times struggle against that. I’d say most here would agree on this. 

In my opinion, what this game comes down to is the question of whether or not  the Pats defense can do the same to Foles & the Eagles offense. Can the Pats put pressure on Foles? Can they slow the run game’s 3-headed monster? Can they stop Jeffery & Smith from getting behind their secondary? Can they stop the bubble screens & short & intermediate passing? 

I’ve watched a lot of Pats football. Their defense is underrated. But they don’t get much pressure on opposing QBs. Their secondary isn’t particularly opportunistic. 

Hey; maybe I’m way off - I watch football, i make observations. They’re not always right - i’m not psychic. 

I will say this: if the Eagles get a defensive touchdown, they win this game. And of the two teams, I’d be willing to bet that it’s the Eagles who are more likely to force a turnover.  

Time will tell. Hard to bet against Brady, but man - this eagles team has some mojo. This version of the Pats seems like they keep pulling rabbits out of their hat. That’s a tough way to keep winning. Maybe they’ve got one more bunny in there...maybe not. 

 
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Yea - lost in the "eagles defense is awesome", is that they are awesome at home.  last 4 games they've been light out, yea - but they've all been at home.  They do give up more on the road, and we won't have home field in MN.Brady will get his.  This game will come down, in my opinion, the Foles and the Eagles offense - can they put together the 6 minute drives when it matters?  Can Foles deal with whatever wrinkle Belicheck comes up with for this game?
i honestly think the crowd will be 70% Philadelphia, maybe more. don't think it will be as loud as the Linc has been, but hopefully it helps

 
There’s also something to be said for momentum, familiarity & “the eye test”.

Take familiarity first. Eli & the Giants would seem to be far more familiar with the Eagles than most teams. The Patriots maybe not so much. 

Arguably both teams have momentum - after all, they’re both in the Super Bowl. But one comment that came up again and again during the PHI/MIN game  at the party I went to last week was how the Eagles were playing like their heads were on fire. Pats came on late, as they do...but the desperation comeback, however romanticized as “what the pats do”; is still a more difficult win than say, playing dominantly, controlling the clock, etc. I get the Patriots mystique for their come from behind wins, but can that be relied upon against what’s looked like a formidable defense? 

Which leads me to the eye test. To my eye, the Eagles look like the better team. They’re swarming the ball. They’ll make Brady uncomfortable - and as some have pointed out, Brady will have some success against that. And he’ll at times struggle against that. I’d say most here would agree on this. 

In my opinion, what this game comes down to is the question of whether or not  the Pats defense can do the same to Foles & the Eagles offense. Can the Pats put pressure on Foles? Can they slow the run game’s 3-headed monster? Can they stop Jeffery & Smith from getting behind their secondary? Can they stop the bubble screens & short & intermediate passing? 

I’ve watched a lot of Pats football. Their defense is underrated. But they don’t get much pressure on opposing QBs. Their secondary isn’t particularly opportunistic. 

Hey; maybe I’m way off - I watch football, i make observations. They’re not always right - i’m not psychic. 

I will say this: if the Eagles get a defensive touchdown, they win this game. And of the two teams, I’d be willing to bet that it’s the Eagles who are more likely to force a turnover.  

Time will tell. Hard to bet against Brady, but man - this eagles team has some mojo. This version of the Pats seems like they keep pulling rabbits out of their hat. That’s a tough way to keep winning. Maybe they’ve got one more bunny in there...maybe not. 
I'm dang tired of NE waiting until mid 3rd qtr, down 2 scores, for them to go into the no-huddle, drive the ball down your throat, full on attack mode.

Why wait? Last game of the season, don't hold back, nothing left to hide. Leave it all on the field. No need to hide any of your cards.

Very rare any defense stops this.  

 
Although Brady / Belechick team has never scored a point in the 1st qtr of any SB, ... last 2 NE SB's saw them start the game moving the ball right down the field.

Brady gave up an INT at the goal line vs. SEA and Blunt fumbled inside the 20 vs. ATL.

Gotta think NE is gonna finish that 1st drive this year and PHI / Foles will be the one playing catch up.

 
Although Brady / Belechick team has never scored a point in the 1st qtr of any SB, ... last 2 NE SB's saw them start the game moving the ball right down the field.

Brady gave up an INT at the goal line vs. SEA and Blunt fumbled inside the 20 vs. ATL.

Gotta think NE is gonna finish that 1st drive this year and PHI / Foles will be the one playing catch up.
Possible, Eagles have been known to give up early points.

 
The Eagles defense has played way better at home than on the road. Allowed 24 ppg away from home vs. 13 ppg at home. While a neutral site game is neither, I doubt they realize the benefit of home cooking playing in front of corporate suits and millionaires in Minnesota. The Patriots offense was pretty consistent no matter where they played (29 points at home vs. 28 points on the road).

 
I'm as big of a fan of obscure stats to make a case for something as much as anybody. But the huge majority of QB's that led the league in passing never even made it to the SB. The ones that did have gone 0-5.

A similar argument could be made that RBs that led the league in rushing don't win SB's often. IIRC, the only two that made it and won were Terrell Davis and Emmitt Smith. And I also believe the only WR to lead the league in receiving yards and win a title was Jerry Rice.

The point being, look at pretty much any category for league leaders and it is rare that a player that led the league in anything won the SB that year.

 

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