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***Official Super Bowl LII Thread*** - Eagles vs Patriots (1 Viewer)
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dhockster
Footballguy
Good post. I am hoping the large number of points given up by Schwartz were due more to the talent on the field and not the scheme he was running. Hopefully, with the talent of this defense his scheme will be successful.
My other big concern is the Nick Foles has never played against the Patriots. So he has never had to deal with Belicheck gameplanning against him. Hopefully, Foles picks up quickly on whatever Belicheck is trying to take away from him and adjusts quickly without any major mistakes.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Can I ignore him and still want to subscribe to his newsletter? He seems like a wealth of football knowledge.
CentralPA
Footballguy
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Had a pretty good fantasy year. I'll offer you a discount for the 2018 newsletter. $9.99/month or $99.99 for the full year
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
So saying a team is not as good as their record indicates because of a huge downgrade in QB is trolling now? Maybe you need to create an ***OFFICIAL EAGLES FAN SAFE SPACE THREAD ***
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I think you're trolling because you stated that they're the worst SuperBowl team in the past 25 years and have used exactly 0 stats to back it up. Just a bunch of one liners that give no support to your claim. Perhaps the data is in your newsletter?
Bwahahaha.
That newsletter will be out next week. This week it's all about Stafford, the highest-paid player in the league.
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JetMaxx
Footballguy
It’s a staple of their offense. Get Gronk on the extra LB that accounts for the 12. Seattle used Chancellor, I suppose the Eagles would use Jenkins but that puts a LB on a RB. To answer you’re question, it’s a 2 second play for Brady. They double Cox and force the edge rushers to the outside.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Look I'm no stats wizard but I watch a lot of football and can tell you unequivocally that this is one of the worst SB teams in recent history. I forgot about that Grossman bears squad so maybe saying the worst was a little harsh. Definitely top 5, probably top 3
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Why do you keep bringing up Stafford like I'm some fanboy? He's not elite but better than probably half the QB's in the league. I'd say you could probably rank him anywhere from 5-15 and I couldn't really argue it.
First thing you've posted that I agree with. Stafford is better than half the starters in the league. I have him right around 15 or 16. The fact that he's the highest paid player and only performs as average is the reason your team never competes to be the new worst Super Bowl team ever.
Jayrok
Footballguy
It's all about Philly's offense. Their defensive front is excellent and they'll probably get to Brady early on in the game. And they'll stuff plenty of runs. They'll celebrate tackles for loss. But the longer they are on the field, the less effective the pass rush will be. BB and Brady know this. They'll weather the early push and adjust at halftime. All they need to do is stay close. Then they'll attack a tired Philly defense. This can be mitigated by an efficient and effective Philly offense that controls the ball, and not just for two quarters.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
not saying this wont happen, but the eagles defensive line depth should help to limit it
Amused to Death
Footballguy
The Eagles have one of the deepest D-lines in the league, rotating 7 or 8 guys. If they're able to employ their normal rotation they should be able to stay fresh. The key being they're able to rotate.
Slider
Footballguy
The Eagles are 7 deep on the D-line and six are above average. You're not going to wear these guys down. The O-line is also very good (best in the league according to some) with 3 above average RB's. Good luck wearing them down.
need2know
Footballguy
Jayrok
Footballguy
We'll see. I hope they do stay fresh, but it's a long game and their offense better get plenty of first downs. I'm not talking about their O-line or RBs, so no argument there. I don't think offensive lines wear down like defensive lines do.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Yes. Another piece of data BB will use for planning. NE won't sub that much so Philly won't be able to rotate like normal. If they try, Brady turns into A. Rodgers and gets some free plays for too many men on the field.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Jacksonville did a pretty good job of effectively doing this for the first half, maybe even 3 quarters. They had good sustained drives that limited how many times NE had the ball and the defense contained the NE offense when it had the ball. At some point the Jags got conservative on both offense and defense and that was what cost them the game. One of the best things I heard while watching the Eagles game was when the sideline reporter who talked to Pederson before the 2nd half started said that Pederson wanted to remain aggressive and continue to score points. IMO, the only way to beat NE is if you keep an aggressive attitude for 60 minutes, not 30 or 45.
Skoo
Footballguy
Did you know that Nick Foles has as many playoff wins in the last two weeks as the Cowboys have in the last 21 years?
I found that pretty interesting.
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I mentioned that to him yesterday. For such a Chatty Cathy with an opinion on everything, he suddenly had nothing to say.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
but that's not going to happen, so nothing to worry aboutI will say this, if the Eagles lose the Super Bowl it's going to be pretty unbearable for us in the Shark Pool for quite awhile
This is why I haven't made a prediction. Nor have I implied we were better than New England. I've only mocked fans of terrible teams who are foolish enough to talk smack about a 13-3 team who is in the Super Bowl.I will say this, if the Eagles lose the Super Bowl it's going to be pretty unbearable for us in the Shark Pool for quite awhile
What can the haters say if we lose? 'Hahaha. You guys just got beat by the best team in football for the last 15 years using your backup quarterback. You suck' ?
Football Jones
Footballguy
To be fair, this game would look a lot closer on paper if Wentz was playing. That said, with 2 weeks to prepare & Belichick’s craftiness, I can’t see a 2nd year QB beating the Pats.
I don’t believe the Eagles are one of the worst teams to make the Super Bowl, but at the same time, they aren’t as good as their record would indicate. Philly had a lot of things go right, especially on offense. For instance, Wentz’ yards to TD ratio is in no way sustainable, especially without any elite weapons.
Like many teams in Super Bowl seasons, things just lined up for them. This IS a good team, though. Make no mistake, they CAN win this game.
They need a lead going into the 4th. The key for me is winning on 3rd down, both offensively & defensively. Should the Eagles be up late in the game, the only way to prevent a comeback is if they have enough gas to get to Brady. If the pass rush isn’t effective late, no chance their secondary holds up.
I don’t believe the Eagles are one of the worst teams to make the Super Bowl, but at the same time, they aren’t as good as their record would indicate. Philly had a lot of things go right, especially on offense. For instance, Wentz’ yards to TD ratio is in no way sustainable, especially without any elite weapons.
Like many teams in Super Bowl seasons, things just lined up for them. This IS a good team, though. Make no mistake, they CAN win this game.
They need a lead going into the 4th. The key for me is winning on 3rd down, both offensively & defensively. Should the Eagles be up late in the game, the only way to prevent a comeback is if they have enough gas to get to Brady. If the pass rush isn’t effective late, no chance their secondary holds up.
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Skoo
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
babydemon90
Footballguy
Because you didn't say that. You said "One of the worst SB team ever". Although, I guess simply being in the set of "SuperBowl teams" implies you are a good team. Bad teams don't make it.
To your point, this Philly team is worse off with Foles, and would almost certainly not have gone 9-2 like they did with Wentz. I'm not sure the downgrade is "huge", and honestly no one really knows how much of a downgrade it is (especially if we're discounting the Jeff Fisher years of Foles, as it certainly looks like his team are QB purgatory.). Maybe the drop from 2nd year QB to solid veteran isn't that large. There is a lot of variability in Foles...
Just thinking out loud here...I think the Patriots will win this game if they outplay the Eagles. I DO think the Eagles are good enough to win but I can't see them winning because I'm not sure they're THAT good enough.
I think they'd have a better chance if Carson Wentz was playing, but I'm afraid he'd hurt their chances because of his inexperience. Nick Foles is more experienced and has played in three post season games, but I don't think he's better than Wentz, who I really like.
Philly won this year because they have a bevy of talented weapons, which makes them hard to gameplan for. But I think they'd be better with less balance and a true superstar. I think things just lined up perfectly for them this year, like all the injuries to Pro Bowl players, which gave their talented backups a chance to shine.
The only way I can see the Eagles winning is if they get a lead early and then hang on. Or if they fall behind and then catch up. Or if it's pretty close all the way through and they end up with more points. I think Philly is good, but not THAT good. They are not the worst team to make the Super Bowl, but some teams may be better then them who have not made the Super Bowl. Make no mistake about it. They will have to play four quarters to win this game. And so will New England. I owned Wentz in fantasy this year. He seems nice.
I think they'd have a better chance if Carson Wentz was playing, but I'm afraid he'd hurt their chances because of his inexperience. Nick Foles is more experienced and has played in three post season games, but I don't think he's better than Wentz, who I really like.
Philly won this year because they have a bevy of talented weapons, which makes them hard to gameplan for. But I think they'd be better with less balance and a true superstar. I think things just lined up perfectly for them this year, like all the injuries to Pro Bowl players, which gave their talented backups a chance to shine.
The only way I can see the Eagles winning is if they get a lead early and then hang on. Or if they fall behind and then catch up. Or if it's pretty close all the way through and they end up with more points. I think Philly is good, but not THAT good. They are not the worst team to make the Super Bowl, but some teams may be better then them who have not made the Super Bowl. Make no mistake about it. They will have to play four quarters to win this game. And so will New England. I owned Wentz in fantasy this year. He seems nice.
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Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
We all we got! We all we need!I will say this, if the Eagles lose the Super Bowl it's going to be pretty unbearable for us in the Shark Pool for quite awhile
Football Jones
Footballguy
The Wentz/Foles thing is way overplayed. It matters on paper, but like I said earlier, with 2 weeks to prepare & all the new stuff Belichick is going to throw at you, a 2nd year QB would’ve been a huge disadvantage.
Maybe Foles will handle it better, albeit without the raw talent of Wentz.
Maybe Foles will handle it better, albeit without the raw talent of Wentz.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
I honestly have to give Philly fans props. They are a passionate bunch & stick together like glue, LOL. Most of them are quite knowledgable, as well.
Their weakness is being extremely thin-skinned, but I kind of get it. It’s been tough being an Eagles fan
If anybody deserves a Super Bowl victory, it’s them.
Their weakness is being extremely thin-skinned, but I kind of get it. It’s been tough being an Eagles fan
If anybody deserves a Super Bowl victory, it’s them.
Bossman
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
I wouldn’t say better, but Wentz would’ve likey had a very tough time.
Either way, injuries are a big part of the game.
Foles needs the game of his life & the Eagles probably need some breaks, but they have a legitimate chance.
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Football Jones
Footballguy
An 11 point swing?
Absolutely no way. The Pats would still be favored & rightly so.
It’s a pointless arguement, though. This is what we got. And it’s what Philly has.
I’m ready for the game.
jon007
Footballguy
NFL Films did a great job recapturing Sunday's action.
My take a ways were this.
Jags had numerous opportunities to win the game.
Patriots are simply a team you have to play a 4 quarters plus be sharp in end of both halves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrRxiK3xW8Q
Vikings / Eagles looked to be a solid back in forth match up.
Turnovers is what ultimately hurt the Vikings plus a relentless attack from the Eagles offence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z58Ad7IVaA
In all this be a great Superbowl but I do fear it could turn into a blowout.
My take a ways were this.
Jags had numerous opportunities to win the game.
Patriots are simply a team you have to play a 4 quarters plus be sharp in end of both halves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrRxiK3xW8Q
Vikings / Eagles looked to be a solid back in forth match up.
Turnovers is what ultimately hurt the Vikings plus a relentless attack from the Eagles offence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z58Ad7IVaA
In all this be a great Superbowl but I do fear it could turn into a blowout.
Insein
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Disagree completely with the bolded. He just needs to be an effective game manager IMO. If that happens, the Eagles will likely win.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Hell young Ben and Brady were considered game managers. Nothing wrong with that.
Football Jones
Footballguy
We see things differently then. The game manager scenario implies safe play, no mistakes, etc.
That’s fine, but they’re going to have to open it up to beat the Pats. That gameplan would be effective if Philly could hold them to under 20, but I don’t think that’s possible.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Why can't a game manager score over 20? Take what the defense gives you. There are vulnerabilities in the Patriots defense. The Eagles just need to attack those and limit their own mistakes on offense. Sure the Patriots could put up 30-40 but I find that unlikely given how well the Eagles D is playing right now.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I know the Patriots have an aura and they are a very good team this year. No doubt about that. But they're just men and they are absolutely beatable (maybe even more so compared to years past). I watched my team (the Steelers) take them down to the last second and for all intents and purposes beat them. My team never even sniffs a victory against that team. This is the team and the year to knock off the Pats. If it doesn't happen on Sunday, I'm not sure if it will ever happen until Brady retires in 5 years.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Bottom line, they’re going to have to score well to beat the Pats. I can’t see them winning with an ultra-conservative gameplan.
Lots of ways to skin a cat, though, so we’ll see.
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