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***Official Super Bowl LII Thread*** - Eagles vs Patriots (1 Viewer)
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Billy Bats
Footballguy
The Eagles are 7-1 SU and 6-2 ATS in their last 8 games that were reffed by Pennsylvania native Gene Steratore. 
Don't even bother showing up on Sunday, Pats.
Don't even bother showing up on Sunday, Pats.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I agree that alot of money hasn't come in yet. But thinking that so much Eagles $ coming in has nothing to do with them blowing out Minny is crazy imo
bostonfred
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jon007
Footballguy
Bret Farve will be speaking to the Eagles on Saturday night.
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Insoxicated
Settle down beavis. If your hands are shaking don’t click submit or it’ll triple post like this.
Now, I’m a troll?
Who are you again? People think I’M the one taking things too serious around here? 
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Insoxicated
Career 3-4 against New England, but won when it counted!
Not against Brady or Bill... but he did it!
JetMaxx
Footballguy
You’re initial cheat is on the NFLN. EnjoySettle down beavis. If your hands are shaking go click submit or it’ll triple post like this.
Now, I’m a troll?
JetMaxx
Footballguy
So what is your bet?Settle down beavis. If your hands are shaking go click submit or it’ll triple post like this.
Now, I’m a troll?
He's a troll. Haven't you figured that out? For the most part, the Patriots fans have been pretty cool. This guy is a Monumental tool. Of course, he will be nowhere to be found if New England loses.
Thunderlips
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Eagles fans are fun I talk facts: DUDE LIGHTEN UP!
I talk smack: UR MEAN U TROLL!
Is the Entire Eagles fan base menopausal females, or are there any among you who know what you want? (Aside from modogg, that dude is fun and believes in his team enough to back it up with cash money
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JetMaxx
Footballguy
What is your bet??
I talk facts: DUDE LIGHTEN UP!
I talk smack: UR MEAN U TROLL!
Is the Entire Eagles fan base menopausal females, or are there any among you who know what you want? (Aside from modogg, that dude is fun and believes in his team enough to back it up with cash money
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Insoxicated
That you’re going to either have a full on neurotic breakdown or shakeyhands triple post again before Sunday.
I do understand what it’s like to finally be on the big stage as a fan... . It’ll get easier once Wentz hits his stride around his 4th or 5th Super Bowl.
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JetMaxx
Footballguy
JetMaxx
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JetMaxx
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modogg
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JetMaxx
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Insoxicated
Scared? Of?You’re scared
Let me paint a picture for you.
Imagine you’re in vegas, and against all odds you win a huge sum. Then you keep winning... over and over....until you’re at the point vegas has to raise the limits because nobody has ever won this much this fast before. Then imagine you’re on the cusp of winning yet AGAIN. Even if you lose, you’re still walking away with the greatest hot streak in the history of vegas... but if you win, you’ve got the greatest greatest hot streak in the history of vegas.
Would “scared” be the adjective that would describe you, in that scenario? If so, I’m sorry... that’s gotta be terrible to go through life like that. Me? I’m damn grateful to be be playing with the largest wad of fan “house money” there ever was. Tack on that we are favored to win another? Naw.... I’m not sure scared is the adjective I’d use, here
Regarding my money... I don’t know why any NE fan would take 60 cents on the dollar as a favorite, when history has shown we can get it in as 2:1 or 3:1 dogs in the 2nd half. I generally put a nice pre-game chunk on the underdog (Philly in this case) on the ML- and with the points (as I did with SEA, and ATL, and as I have with PHI).
Then I get drunk at my annual SB party, and eventually jump on absurd NE ML in the 2nd half, essentially freerolling a nice Pats win.
So... currently my money is on PHI, with plans to take advantage of a better live line in-game, if I’m feeling it.
Either way... on Monday morning it’ll either have been a really, really amazing last 17 years or a really, really, really amazing last 17 years
House money is cool like that.
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modogg
Footballguy
i know we had an unwritten rule about letting the Philly vs. Boston talk die down, but Bostonians i can't let this one pass.
Blue Meanie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jW8vlz-Rk) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Cena (https://twitter.com/MattDeason)
Blue Meanie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jW8vlz-Rk) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Cena (https://twitter.com/MattDeason)
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Bossman
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Kwai Chang Caine
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Thunderlips
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Epic......
bostonfred
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CentralPA
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
I feel kind of dirty talking about football in this thread, seeing how it sort of hasn't really been happening anymore.
NE and TB has face Jim Schwartz led defenses 6 times and compiled a 5-1 record with 30.7 ppg scored with an average margin of victory of 8 points. In those games, Brady put up 254 passing yds/gm, 11 TD, 1 INT, 103.5 rating
That includes games with 38, 40, 45, and 37 points. There were a couple of lower scoring games (including the one loss) in the early days of Brady's career. Yes, this Eagles defense is better than the ones the Titans / Lions / Bills had to offer. I am not informed enough to know if schematically Philadelphia is running things differently than those units did.
On the offensive side of the ball, Frank Reich has only faced the Patriots once as an OC with SD. The Chargers lost that game 23-14.
NE and TB has face Jim Schwartz led defenses 6 times and compiled a 5-1 record with 30.7 ppg scored with an average margin of victory of 8 points. In those games, Brady put up 254 passing yds/gm, 11 TD, 1 INT, 103.5 rating
That includes games with 38, 40, 45, and 37 points. There were a couple of lower scoring games (including the one loss) in the early days of Brady's career. Yes, this Eagles defense is better than the ones the Titans / Lions / Bills had to offer. I am not informed enough to know if schematically Philadelphia is running things differently than those units did.
On the offensive side of the ball, Frank Reich has only faced the Patriots once as an OC with SD. The Chargers lost that game 23-14.
dhockster
Footballguy
I think it all comes down to how well do the Eagles cover the running backs out of the backfield. That and not taking big PI penalties. If they can do a good job with those two things then I think they can hold the Patriots scoring down. If they can't, then I could see the Patriots getting high 20's, maybe 30's in points.
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Sharp Football releases their incredibly in-depth analysis of the matchup - Likely the most detailed X's and O's analysis you'll find on the web.
If you're curious, he projected last year's superbowl final score within 1 point for the Patriots and 3 points for Atlanta. He also projected the Broncos upset over the 5.5 point Carolina favorite in Superbowl 50.
If you're curious, he projected last year's superbowl final score within 1 point for the Patriots and 3 points for Atlanta. He also projected the Broncos upset over the 5.5 point Carolina favorite in Superbowl 50.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not sure how to define "keeping the Patriots scoring down," so I will just give a snapshot. In the past 5 seasons, NE has played 13 games against Top 5 scoring defenses (which is what PHI was this year). The Patriots went 8-5 in those games and averaged 24.4 ppg and 355 yds/gm.
Looking only at TD's, they scored 3 or 4 TD's in 8 of those games. They only scored 1 TD in one of those games (DEN 2016 . . . and NE still won).
# of NE scoring drives each game with either TD's or FG's:
2 drives: 1
3 drives: 1
4 drives: 7
5 drives: 1
6 drives: 1
7 drives: 1
Looks like NE is most likely going to score points 4 times. NE was held under 20 points in 3 of the 13 games.They scored 24 or more points in 8 of those games.
Not singling you out, but when you mentioned keeping the Pats scoring down, to what level did you (or people in general) mean?
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Boston
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Seems to be a lot of focus on the Pats O vs. the Philly D but one of the keys to me is Philly's offensive weapons...as well as Foles played last week he is the weakest QB the Pats have faced in a Super Bowl...the Philly offensive weapons are solid and Pederson seems to do a real good job with his ever present play sheet but it's not like they have Bell or Brown or Freeman and Julio like last year...Ertz is excellent and the Pats can not let him own third downs...Clement (if used correctly) is the type of RB that could do some damage against a BB defense...those are the guys I am most worried about right now...the Pats need to do a solid job containing the other weapons Philly has...to me that is the of utmost importance...Ertz will make his plays but the Pats can not give up big plays to a player like Jeffrey or Agholor or let Ajayi rip off 10+ yard runs...if they can not handle these type of players it will make things difficult...the Pats D catches a lot of heat and is not always fun to watch as a fan but they usually do one thing very well...they keep points off of the board...with Philly having a very good D they need to at least play Philly's O to a stalemate...that allows the game to be decided by Brady and I will always be comfortable in that scenario regardless of who the defense is...
On the offensive side of ball I feel Chris Hogan and Rex Burkhead are gonna be real important...with Edelman and Mitchell out (and backup TE being invisible) the Pats receiving weapons are not as deep as usual...when Hogan is on this offense becomes very difficult to handle...Hogan has been a non-factor since coming back from his injury so hopefully a 2 week layoff gets him more time to recover...if they can get him going early it will be a huge plus for this offense and put a lot more pressure on Philly's secondary especially if they are focusing on Gronk...as for Burkhead I just have this gut feeling that if the Pats win he is going to have some big plays...he is a little bit of a swiss-army knife and I gotta believe they try to find some mismatches for him...like Hogan he was banged up and the hope is the 2 week lay-off helps him as well...
Should be an excellent game..."in Bill we trust"...
On the offensive side of ball I feel Chris Hogan and Rex Burkhead are gonna be real important...with Edelman and Mitchell out (and backup TE being invisible) the Pats receiving weapons are not as deep as usual...when Hogan is on this offense becomes very difficult to handle...Hogan has been a non-factor since coming back from his injury so hopefully a 2 week layoff gets him more time to recover...if they can get him going early it will be a huge plus for this offense and put a lot more pressure on Philly's secondary especially if they are focusing on Gronk...as for Burkhead I just have this gut feeling that if the Pats win he is going to have some big plays...he is a little bit of a swiss-army knife and I gotta believe they try to find some mismatches for him...like Hogan he was banged up and the hope is the 2 week lay-off helps him as well...
Should be an excellent game..."in Bill we trust"...
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Playing Whack-a-mole.... who is "The Man" for New England this week?
James White was THE guy in SB LI vs Atlanta.
Danny was the guy vs Titans and in the AFC Champ game vs Jax.
Gronk should be cleared and has been known to take over games.
Lewis is lethal and has taken over games before.
Cooks isn't too bad at football and periodically will take over a game.
Hogan and Burkhead lie in wait....
Many thought Jax league-best Pass rush would mean Cooks would be taken away, yet he still racked up 100 yards on 16+ YPC. Danny and Dion were the security blankets with 7 catches each. Gronk was pretty well covered until he was knocked out of the game.
James White was THE guy in SB LI vs Atlanta.
Danny was the guy vs Titans and in the AFC Champ game vs Jax.
Gronk should be cleared and has been known to take over games.
Lewis is lethal and has taken over games before.
Cooks isn't too bad at football and periodically will take over a game.
Hogan and Burkhead lie in wait....
Many thought Jax league-best Pass rush would mean Cooks would be taken away, yet he still racked up 100 yards on 16+ YPC. Danny and Dion were the security blankets with 7 catches each. Gronk was pretty well covered until he was knocked out of the game.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
IMO, the Pats may be down some skill position weapons but the ones they do have represent a pretty decent departure compared to what they had in their recent SB teams. Cooks, Gronk, Lewis, and Amendola pose a whole different challenge than the mainstays in 2016 (Edelman, White, Mitchell with contributions from Amendola and Bennett) or against the Seahawks (Edelman, Gronk, Vereen, LaFell). If Cooks decides to wear his big boy pants and show up again, I think NE will be able to move the ball through the air. If the OL gives Brady time, then I think NE will really be able to move the ball.
As you mentioned, Hogan or Burkhead should be able to get some mismatches. And there's still White if they opt to use him (140 yards, 3 TD's in the last SB). Even with Edelman and Mitchell out, when White is still your 7th best option on offense, you still have plenty of weapons for defenses to worry about.
I happen to think that at some point NE will go to a spread offense and go no huddle. Even though the Eagles rotate their linemen a lot, if they get stuck on the field and can't substitute the Eagles would be in the trouble of giving up points.
Put another way, in two games against the Giants (with all the New York injuries), the G-men were able to put up 800 passing yards and 6 passing TD's in two games against PHI. That's an average of 400/3 from Eli Manning (who averaged 205/1 in all his other games).
Boston
Footballguy
I would be shocked if we don't see the no huddle...no matter how much any team prepares for it (and know it is coming) it is still a daunting task to stop Brady in that scheme...agree about Cooks...I have been disappointed in him this year...he is by no means a bust and he has had a productive year but I was expecting more...especially in the big play department...if he can have a game like he did against Houston that would be a game-changer...that being said I would be more than pleased if he duplicates his Jacksonville performance...
Anarchy99
Footballguy
It may be sacrilege to find fault with TB12, but IMO he did a better job searching for and finding the open man earlier in his career. Maybe that is a factor of trying to get the ball out quickly these days, but many times it seems like he decides before the ball is snapped who he wants to throw to and focuses on that one guy. This year in particular it seems like he would try to force a throw to Gronk or Cooks rather than survey guys underneath or out of the backfield. Not always, but sometimes. Maybe my perception is wrong, but I think over the latter part of the season he tried forcing the ball to people (and his completion percentage suffered because of it).
Several times I felt he had a guy closer to the LOS for a first down on 3rd and 2 but instead threw into triple coverage much farther down the field. I think over the latter part of the season they had three and outs or drives that stalled with very short amounts to gain. If they do that against PHI they may be in trouble, especially if the Eagles have a couple of 10 play, 80 yard, 6-8 minute scoring TD drives where the NE defense can't get a third down stop or get off the field.
I do think BB will not stand for another scoreless first quarter, so I would expect them to come out like a house of fire with a scripted, fast-paced game plan and march down the field. Traditionally, BB has opted for more of a conservative approach to the start of SB games to get a feel for the opponents. Given that NE has had to have so many late game heroics to win lately, I would guess they start stepping on the gas right from the opening whistle. It may be another game plan with Brady designed to throw 50 passes, especially with the Eagles ranking as the league's top rush defense in terms of yardage allowed.
Several times I felt he had a guy closer to the LOS for a first down on 3rd and 2 but instead threw into triple coverage much farther down the field. I think over the latter part of the season they had three and outs or drives that stalled with very short amounts to gain. If they do that against PHI they may be in trouble, especially if the Eagles have a couple of 10 play, 80 yard, 6-8 minute scoring TD drives where the NE defense can't get a third down stop or get off the field.
I do think BB will not stand for another scoreless first quarter, so I would expect them to come out like a house of fire with a scripted, fast-paced game plan and march down the field. Traditionally, BB has opted for more of a conservative approach to the start of SB games to get a feel for the opponents. Given that NE has had to have so many late game heroics to win lately, I would guess they start stepping on the gas right from the opening whistle. It may be another game plan with Brady designed to throw 50 passes, especially with the Eagles ranking as the league's top rush defense in terms of yardage allowed.
dhockster
Footballguy
Well as you have said, the key to beating the Patriots is to hold them under 23 and to score more than 23. So to me holding them down is upper teens/low 20's. Based on history, I think it would be very hard for the Eagles to hold the Patriots to less than 15 points. I would love to see it, but it will be very hard to do.
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