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***Official Super Bowl LII Thread*** - Eagles vs Patriots (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter East Coast Bias
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I'm so glad it came back to bite Belichick in the ###. Belichick gets way too much credit for being some sort of genius. His career is filled with terrible signings (Chad Johnson anyone) and dumber decisions. He got lucky that his 6th round draft pick ended up being one of the best ever. He's gotten a lot of mileage out of that. He's a great coach, but not nearly as great as Brady has made him look. I wonder if any players will have the balls to come out and say what an awful ego-move it was to keep Butler on the bench with the defense struggling the way they were.babydemon90 said:
GoBirds
Footballguy
GregR
Footballguy
Someone may have already answered, but if not... this was the first NFL win where the opponent had more than 600 yards. Though in 2002 Atlanta gave up 645 to Pittsburgh and the game ended in a tie.Anarchy99 said:
Though it's nearly happened but for 600 as the exact cut-off. Jim Kelly's Bills beat Steve Young's 49ers in '92 despite surrendering 598 yards. 2006 Bengals beat the Saints despite giving up 595. Last year Miami gave up 589 to Buffalo in an overtime win.
Doug B
Footballguy
QBs sometimes reinvent themselves (Kurt Warner, Rich Gannon, Steve Young, Drew Brees, etc.) after a change of scenery/coaching. It's kind of weird to me that some observers (not necessarily on this board) talk of Nick Foles as if he has been some huge liability.
Foles may not have proven that he can carry around a dog-schmidt team on his back like Brady or Brees, but he certainly has proven more than once that he has legit NFL starter ability.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
If Ben was definitely planning to retire after next year, I would want the Steelers to trade for Foles (even if they had to give up a first). He's convinced me that with the proper coaching/scheme, he can be a pretty good QB. Those don't grow on trees.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
yes. He won't lose you games.
He was kind of what I thought Bradford would be for MIN, but then his knee went to pot
Thunderlips
Footballguy
If you're PHI....I don't see how you'd want to trade Foles.....unless you're ABSOLUTELY blown away by a deal. With him under contract for one more year, him obviously able to run the team and no guarantee Wentz is going to be back in a timely fashion.........it wouldn't make much sense.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I can't imagine any way they would trade him. When the Steelers, Patriots, Packers, etc lose their starting QB for the year, you know their season is over. When the Eagles lose their starting QB, they can still win a super bowl.
Doug B
Footballguy
That would be a solid move for both parties -- get Foles out of the NFC and get him with a solid organization that is a traditionally solid defensive club.
I would love him in New Orleans to be the heir apparent to Brees, but the timing's not right. Can't really expect Foles to willingly move on or another backup job.
EDIT: And, as pointed out, the Eagles probably aren't hot to move Foles anyway.
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Boston
Footballguy
Philly will be getting everyone's A game next year...they are not sneaking up on anyone as defending champs...if Wentz is not ready and Foles is gone that is a good way to get off to a bad start...
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Exactly. $7 million dollar insurance policy that just won the Super Bowl. Only way I cash out that policy is if I'm offered a top 10 draft pick which could be turned into a franchise type talent.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Said it even before the Super Bowl - but yea, unless an offer blows your socks off, you keep him. A 1st at a minimum. Do not care if he is worth spending a first to acquire - maybe not - but he's absolutely worth more to THIS team then a 2nd round rookie would be.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
If Sam Bradford is worth a mid-ish 1st round pick then Foles (super bowl winning MVP) certainly is. Foles did more in his limited time starting this season than Bradford has his entire career.
Foles is worth at least a first rounder. IMO a 1st and a 3rd or something along that nature.
I think PHI should trade him, and would be foolish not to. They can use the talent to beef up an already impressive team. Wentz should be back next year ready to go. And if not he will miss a week or 2 at most IMO. These guys are coming back these days after these injuries after 8-9 months ready to go. Foles' stock is not going to be any higher than it is now; how much higher can you go than Super Bowl MVP!?
Cash out, take what you can get
Dickie Dunn
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Boston
Footballguy
I believe it was also the first Super Bowl where 1 team played the whole game without a defense...
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
Also, the first game since 1960 (and only the third ever) to end with a 41-33 final score.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Sure, BB has swung and missed a number of times. Which team or coach hits a home run every time?
Here's how teams have fared since the start of free agency and the salary cap in 1994.
Titles SB's Final 4
NEP 5 9 13
DEN 3 4 5
PIT 2 4 9
GBP 2 3 7
NYG 2 3 3
BAL 2 2 4
SEA 1 3 3
PHI 1 2 6
IND 1 2 5
SFO 1 2 5
LAR 1 2 2
NOS 1 1 2
TBB 1 1 2
DAL 1 1 2
ATL 0 2 4
CAR 0 2 4
ARI 0 1 2
CHI 0 1 2
LAC 0 1 2
OAK 0 1 2
TEN 0 1 2
MIN 0 0 4
JAX 0 0 3
NYJ 0 0 3
BB has coached on 5 title winning teams, went to 9 SB's and 13 AFCCG's with NE. He also won 2 titles as the DC with the Giants. And the DEN / PIT / GBP teams behind the Pats had their success with multiple coaches over the same time frame.
So go ahead and cite how lucky BB has been and how his career has been filled with terrible signings and dumber decisions.
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Boston
Footballguy
They actually made at least 1 play...I did see them on the field when Brady fumbled...
Foles has only been in the league since 2012. He has been the backup to a decent list of QBs in Michael Vick, Alex Smith, and Carson Wentz. His other season was a dumpster fire under a coach that also made Jared Goff and Case Keenum look terrible.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
My kid sister had that same coat in 1969. It was inspired by a coat worn by Twiggy I believe.https://www.instagram.com/p/BezPUgqlRnv/?hl=en&taken-by=####jerry
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
Clarification: Turns out this isn't true. But according to Pro-Football-Reference, it is only the second playoff game in the SB era (Cardinals vs. Packers in the 1982-83 wild card game) and 12th overall.
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Insoxicated
Well if the doctors on SaintsRdabestforums.com who saw the game on TV said he shouldn't be playing, I think it's clear he didn't belong out there. Far be it for the medical personnel on the sidelines would bother conducting actual physical assessments in the face of that expertise.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Yea, the signings BB and team pull off the be scrap heaps are the most impressive part of this, imo. Amendola, Wes Welker, Edelman, Chris Hogan, Dion Lewis - weren't all these guys cut outright early on? The Pats do a great job of plugging unheralded players into their system and keep on chugging. That's a big part of why losing Cooks didn't hurt the Pats for long - next guy up in the system and they keep chugging. Almost no other teams could do that. Now, would the Eagles have been screwed if Jeffrey went down? No - they had Mack Hollins who has stepped up big in moments, they could have split Burton out wide, etc.. But I think it might have slowed them down longer, I was impressed (and even said during the game that after halftime I expected them to have a new post-Cooks gameplan) at how well the Pats are plug n play with these WR's.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Well then that's just a brilliant play by the Philly defender knowing that it's not likely going to be called and worst case scenario they have to replay the down.
jonessed
Footballguy
The Patriots actually announced on Twitter that he was gone for the game (concussion). I don’t know who specifically put him back out there despite the concussion, but it falls on BB.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Yeah well the defender mugged clement on the two point conversion attempt. They let them play...
Jayrok
Footballguy
I don't disagree and I'm glad they let them play and I'm definitely glad of the outcome. I'm just saying, should have been a flag. I'm glad they don't call PI in those hail marys because everyone is pushing/fighting for the ball. This one was out of nowhere and he got away with it.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Exactly, you could play that game all day.......how many screenshots are there of Brady in the pocket with his Tackles arm around the neck of the DE and not a single flag. Overall the refs didn't blow any game enders like the Ertz TD so I guess you live with it but they miss alot.
How about if Cleveland is on the clock with the #4 pick and Saquon Barkley is still out there and they offer us the pick for Foles?
Jayrok
Footballguy
That's true. They could call holding on practically every offensive snap. Third video down
Apparently the Pat fan section of the Internet isn't happy with the non-call.
Apparently the Pat fan section of the Internet isn't happy with the non-call.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I believe Cooks was the one that was announced as being out for the game, not Chung (unless they also said that about Chung and I missed it).
babydemon90
Footballguy
Yea, and Clement was literally shoved with two hands before he could catch the pass on the two point conversion. I think the refs were basically trying to stay out of it as much as humanely possible. No one wanted to see a Super Bowl with constant flags, and the feedback on penalties ruining the game was getting loud.That's true. They could call holding on practically every offensive snap. Third video down
Apparently the Pat fan section of the Internet isn't happy with the non-call.
Jayrok
Footballguy
I agree. I'm glad they let them play. This one just seemed so unnecessary and isolated out in the open. Not like he was making a play on the ball or anything. I think he's lucky they didn't flag him. I'm glad they didn't.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
If you need to a bail out call on the last play of the game to get another chance for a Hail Mary, you didn't play well enough to win. There are only about 1,862 things the Patriots did wrong that game. Patriot fans pointing their collective fingers at a non-call on the last play (where everyone knows you are not going to get a call) is just plain silly.That's true. They could call holding on practically every offensive snap. Third video down
Apparently the Pat fan section of the Internet isn't happy with the non-call.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, they announced Chung and then he was breaking someone down and making a tackle, which surprised me as well as DougB and jonessed.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
What a silly hot take. NE made incredible half time adjustments on offense. Exactly like the AFC Championship game this year and the Super Bowl last year, they went from an offense that was getting harassed and giving up pressure and struggling a bit to one that was giving Brady an hour in the pocket to throw and slicing through the defense with ease. I have no idea how they keep doing that over halftime but my best guess is they're making adjustments at halftime while the other team is content to sit on their defensive gameplan because it was working in the first half and they don't take into account that the offensive gameplan is going to change.need2know said:
The only difference in the end of this game vs. the Jacksonville/Atlanta ones was that one guy made a great individual play to strip Brady of the ball during the game winning drive that he was in position for just like the other two games. It wasn't even like they made some tricky blitz call that fooled Brady. They were using the same boring defense getting sliced apart like Jax/Atlanta were in the second half of their games, one guy just happened to make one great individual play this time.
This was the two best coaches in the league at their best. The Pats missed a short field goal and had a drive end on a Brady drop on the same play where Foles caught it. Just errors in execution. If you swap something as absurd to think about as the catching clutchness of the two QBs then this game has the opposite outcome. I say all of this as a Dolphins' fan that loathes everything about the Patriots as much as humanly possible.
Because Philly made great defensive adjustments? If anything the Pats' defense was the better one in this game (especially in the second half), the Pats just left points on the board with a couple of offense players (Gostowski and Brady) who are usually among the Super Bowl's clutchest botching plays that they should have made.need2know said:
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rockaction
Footballguy
The only guy that can hang with Belichick was in Philly last night, and it's a good thing for Philly. Pederson went on fourth and one and ran a trick play. Bless him.
I hardly fail to see how a former HC as def. coordinator hurts, either, though that could be a case of staying there once you get there. As soon as I saw Schwartz there, I felt a little suspect as an anti-Pats guy.
