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***Official Sweet Science Thread*** (3 Viewers)

Thanks Pinky, figured I wouldnt miss much but also PO'd my laptop got a virus trying to watch this bullpoop, ughhhh. Still not fixed.

 
I think im most dissapointed that we didnt get to see how Canelo can take punches from a true middleweight.  Freakin JR too shook to fight!

 
As we all knew...big waste of time.

But I'm sure it did decent PPV...which will give DLH the incentive to continue this nonsense.

We...as boxing fans...should not allow any other matchup than Canelo/GGG.

Stop buying into this BS.

 
What kind of odds do you think we'll see on GGG/Canelo? I'm guessing Golovkin might be around a - 160 favorite to open. 

 
tdoss said:
As we all knew...big waste of time.

But I'm sure it did decent PPV...which will give DLH the incentive to continue this nonsense.

We...as boxing fans...should not allow any other matchup than Canelo/GGG.

Stop buying into this BS.
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i cant believe what they think is a PPV worthy fight nowadays...that fight would have been on wide world of sports back in the day...just awful 

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
is Canelo vs GGG gonna really happen??? that might be a fight to actually buy from non-boxing dude like me
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Yeah, I'd say both guys are well above-average in terms of power, boxing ability, and punch resistance. It should be a good scrap, neither guy has ever been on the deck as a pro, but Canelo's never faced anything close to GGG in terms of power.

BTW, venue is down to MSG, JerryDome, or the T-Mobile in Vegas.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Yeah, I'd say both guys are well above-average in terms of power, boxing ability, and punch resistance. It should be a good scrap, neither guy has ever been on the deck as a pro, but Canelo's never faced anything close to GGG in terms of power.

BTW, venue is down to MSG, JerryDome, or the T-Mobile in Vegas.
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omg i hope MSG gets it. 

 
PinkydaPimp said:
Odds seem right to me.  
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PaddyPower are usually the canaries in the coal mine, in terms of look-ahead odds for boxing. They open up a big list of "If they fight in 2017" odds. They had something like GGG -450, Canelo +350 before Jacobs.

After Jacobs, they dropped it to -175/+150, which everyone else has followed, once the fight got announced, everyone got odds up. 

I do wonder if the Jacobs fight moved things too much. Or maybe people were overrating Golovkin. I also wonder if G went easy against Jacobs in order to get Golden Boy to bite.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
PaddyPower are usually the canaries in the coal mine, in terms of look-ahead odds for boxing. They open up a big list of "If they fight in 2017" odds. They had something like GGG -450, Canelo +350 before Jacobs.

After Jacobs, they dropped it to -175/+150, which everyone else has followed, once the fight got announced, everyone got odds up. 

I do wonder if the Jacobs fight moved things too much. Or maybe people were overrating Golovkin. I also wonder if G went easy against Jacobs in order to get Golden Boy to bite.
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Yea i think alot of people thought the jacobs fight may have exposed him.  But i agree.  What if he was going easy on jacobs?  It wouldnt shock me. 

I think if this fight goes to the cards there is no telling what could happen.  I think thats canelos path to victory.  Im curious to see if canelo can walk right through canelo if his power isnt threatening at 160.

Id also like to see jacobs lemeiux. 

 
Danny is a really good fighter. Before the cancer and 1 punch from Pirog, Jacobs was considered by many to be one the best prospects of the decade. GGG didn't take it easy on him. He's going to risk his first loss by going easy for 12 rounds? Come on. 

 
tdoss said:
Chavez Jr has ridden on the name long enough...
 
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Pretty much this. I watched him fight (and lose IMO) to a very average Matt Vanda when Chavez was something like 35-0. He didnt impress me even a little bit. He did look a bit better in the rematch (the fact that there even was a rematch pretty much tells you how the first fight went) but nowhere near world class. Granted, that was 15-20 fights ago, but, yeah. 

 
PinkydaPimp said:
Yea i think alot of people thought the jacobs fight may have exposed him.  But i agree.  What if he was going easy on jacobs?  It wouldnt shock me. 

I think if this fight goes to the cards there is no telling what could happen.  I think thats canelos path to victory.  Im curious to see if canelo can walk right through canelo if his power isnt threatening at 160.

Id also like to see jacobs lemeiux. 
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Jacobs/Lemieux would be great. Or l would love to see Golden Boy get Linares on there.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Jacobs/Lemieux would be great. Or l would love to see Golden Boy get Linares on there.
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I've been wanting to see Jacobs-Lemieux since the GGG-Jacobs fight.  I think the winner of that would be much more compelling for the winner than a fight vs BJS.

Of course, if Canelo-GGG does well and is at all close, expect a rematch next Cinco de Mayo weekend,

 
Ilov80s said:
 Jermall Charlo should be fighting Jacobs or Lemieux by this time next year. 
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Charlo has the skills to be a major player in the middleweight division.  A fight with Jacobs can happen and ought to be stellar.  Unfortunately for Charlo, they are the only two Al Haymon guys who are major players at middleweight, so there is not likely to be another big fight for him unless/until he becomes a mandatory.  I can see Jacobs getting a mandated eliminator vs Lemieux but Charlo is new to the division and may not get opportunities, given the political environment.

 
Keith R said:
I've been wanting to see Jacobs-Lemieux since the GGG-Jacobs fight.  I think the winner of that would be much more compelling for the winner than a fight vs BJS.

Of course, if Canelo-GGG does well and is at all close, expect a rematch next Cinco de Mayo weekend,
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It's a tricky proposition for Golden Boy, what with a major ppv star who is not the #1 guy in the division, and could be given quite a bit of trouble by a few others. JermAll should get in line as a mandatory, I don't think many guys are gonna want it with him after what he did to J-Rock.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Pretty much this. I watched him fight (and lose IMO) to a very average Matt Vanda when Chavez was something like 35-0. He didnt impress me even a little bit. He did look a bit better in the rematch (the fact that there even was a rematch pretty much tells you how the first fight went) but nowhere near world class. Granted, that was 15-20 fights ago, but, yeah. 
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sometimes it takes heart.  just don't think he has it.   didn't come up poor & trashed on like his father.   that's the difference in a lot of fights.  IMO.

 
Watching Paul Williams vs Ishida from 2012 on Showtime Extreme right now...The Punisher was one of my favorite fighters of the last decade, loved how that guy just threw shots no matter what. wish I could see him fight again. 

 
Kind of funny or telling, 2012, 5 damn years ago after his win Paul Williams says he wants to fight Chavez Jr, Alvarez, Peterson, Martinez, Kirkland...

 
Hearn already talking about Joshua/Klitschko II, contingent upon VK exercising his rematch clause and not retiring. He's expected to decide soon. Obviously, they should do it.

 
Stole this from reddit:

Starting off in Japan we got plenty of talent with three different major cards in Japan with an amazing amount of talent.


May 20, Saturday



In Japan


Hassan N'Dam vs. Ryota Murata, 12 rounds, for vacant WBA "regular" middleweight title

Ryota Murtata is a talent, won a gold medal in the 2012 Olympics and has passed almost all his tests with flying colors but now steps up for his first real test against Hassan N'Dam. N'Dam is notable for a few things, his run in the Olympics in 2016, his victory over Curtis Stevens, his gutsy performance against David Lemieux and his amazing knockout over Alfonso Blanco. The fight is a make or break in determining how good Murata, a dominant win could make him a force to reckon at the middleweight scene, who knows we might see Murata fight the likes of Gennady Golovkin and Canelo Alvarez or have his rise to the top stopped by N'Dam who is a legitimate contender at middleweight.

Ganigan Lopez vs. Ken Shiro, 12 rounds, for Lopez's WBC junior flyweight title

Ken Shiro is 9-0, and is fighting the best light flyweight in the planet in only his 10th pro fight and is one of the many super prospects from Japan, already having won many of the local and regional titles in Japan he is taking a massive step up against Ganigan Lopez who might just be too much for the super prospect.

Juan Hernandez Navarrete vs. Daigo Higa, 12 rounds, for Hernandez Navarrete's WBC flyweight ###

Another super prospect in Daigo Higa. Daigo didn't have the best amateur record, especially when compared to the other Japanese super prospects, yet Daigo has captured the attention of Japan and hardcore fans in the west with his aggressive swarming style, and much like Ken Shiro, Daigo is making a massive jump in competition to face Juan Hernandez Navarrete, again, Hernandez is one of the best flyweights in the planet and Daigo is making a huge jump in competition. If Daigo wins he'll be undoubtedly one of the best swarmers in the sport of boxing today, a style that we don't see frequently, a dominant win may seal his future as a future star in Japan.

Kosei Tanaka vs. Angel Acosta, 12 rounds, for Tanaka's WBO junior flyweight title'

In 8 fights, Kosei Tanaka has scored 8 wins, 5 knockouts, and has already captured two world titles, and he's only 21. This dudes talent is absolutely insane, especially for such a young age and is already looking forward to moving up in division to capture yet another world title and may be the best super prospect yet if we exclude Naoya Inoue. His opponent is 26 year old Angel Acosta, while Acosta doesn't have the same amazing skill set as Tanaka, he does have absolutely scary powers, the 16 fights he has won have all been by knockout. You know those really tough contenders who have 7 losses yet have never been knocked out? Acosta can and has knocked those guys out. His skills are lacking, but power is an equalizer. Interesting fight.


In London, England


Don't worry, we'll come back to Japan tomorrow, now moving to the UK's capital we got another world title fight.

Gervonta Davis vs. Liam Walsh, 12 rounds, for Davis' IBF junior lightweight title (Showtime broadcast for the US)

Gervonta Davis may be Floyd Mayweather's best fighter yet. Davis is fairly reminiscent of a young Mayweather with his recent domination of champion Jose Pedraza. Davis used his speed and accuracy to get to Pedraza and outbox him and was able to stop him. He travels to England to face Liam Walsh. Walsh is 8 years older than Davis and has taken his career much slower and has decent wins against Joe Murray and Andrey Klimov. In my opinion it'll take another of that English boxing magic for Walsh to get the upset as Davis is easily one of the best young boxers in boxing today and may have an incredibly bright future.


To the United States


HBO Broadcast

Terence Crawford vs. Felix Diaz, 12 rounds, for Crawford's WBO/WBC junior welterweight title

A great fight. Crawford needs no introduction, his Dominican opponent Feliz Diaz does. Diaz is a fairly agressive southpaw who can box and brawl, he had a great amateur career winning gold in various amateur tournaments and won gold in Beijing in 2008 and has had a slow rise in his pro career until recently, winning over Adrian Granados, Sammy Vasquez and a controversial loss to Lamont Peterson where many believed he should have won. He has his weaknesses but when he shows up in shape and focused he's a force to be reckoned and is one of the toughest opponents Crawford will face.

Raymundo Beltran vs Jonathan Maicelo, 12 rounds, IBF lightweight eliminator

I love me some Beltran fight. The dude has a rocky start to his career but at his best had an argument to be the second best lightweight on the planet. The dude is a veteran in every sense of the word and is just fun to watch. Jonathan Maicelo is the biggest name in boxing....in South America. Maicelo is a big name in his home country of Peru and was seen as a potential star by many but his career was derailed by Rustam Nugaev and more recently Darleys Perez. But wait it isn't over yet, he recently had his career best performance against Jose Felix Jr. While Maicelo can no longer be considered a young up-and-comer, he is still looking for his chance to win a world title for his country but faces a tough test in Raymundo Beltran who makes it clear: if you aren't a world level fighter, you aren't beating him.

Also on the card, top US prospect Shakur Stevenson will have his second pro fight.

Showtime Broadcast

Gary Russell Jr. vs. Oscar Escandon, 12 rounds, for Russell's WBC featherweight title

Not much to say for this. Gary Russell Jr. has the fastest hands in maybe all of combat sports, also sees Vasyl Lomachenko as a rival even though Lomachenko probably forgot they even fought. Oscar Escandon is a fairly good Columbian fighter, both his losses are fairly controversial and should provide for a decent scrap with Russell Jr.

Jose Uzcategui vs. Andre Dirrell, 12 rounds, for vacant IBF interim super middleweight title

Andre "Please let me win a title for the god of love" Direll has never had luck. In his first challenge for a world title he faced a prime Carl Froch and almost won, in the eyes of some he even won, but in the end Froch pulled through. His second fight came against another Englishman, James DeGale, another incredibly close fight thatr even though Direll got dropped he was able to fight back to almost win. Thankfully for Direll, Jose Uzcategui isn't from England so his chances of victory have improved greatly. Jose is a fringe contender but has scored some good wins over the likes of Julius Jackson, this has given him a shot for an interim belt, meaning the winner will likely face the IBF champion, James DeGale.

Rances Barthelemy vs. Kiryl Relikh, 12 rounds, WBA junior welterweight eliminator

Barthemely is hilariously amazing at boxing and this will be a one sided fight. 120-110 or a knockout.

On Fox Sports 1

David Benavidez vs. Rogelio "Porky" Medina, 12 rounds, WBC super middleweight eliminator

David Benavidez is an amazing talent at the super middleweight division. He's tall, lanky yet gets these amazing power shots that seem to suck the soul away off his opponents and he's only 20 years old, the dude is a legit talent. Rogelio Medina is a veteran much like Raymundo Beltran and has fought everyone, the before mentioned Jose Uzcategui being an example. He has given the likes of James DeGale tough challenges as well, so much like Beltran, Medina is a guy that measures: if you can't beat him you won't ever win a world title.


May 21, Japan


Naoya Inoue vs. Ricardo Rodriguez, 12 rounds, for Inoue's WBO junior bantamweight title

Remember those super prospects from Japan? Naoya Inoue is the best one of them, although he's no longer a prospect, instead he's one of the best fighters in the world and is only 24 years old. The dude is ####### ridiculous and is looking to move up in weight after this to win yet another world title in yet another weight class.

Akira Yaegashi vs. Milan Melindo, 12 rounds, for Yaegashi's IBF junior flyweight title

Akira Yaegashi may be one of the funnest and gutsiest fighters to watch. Just watch his fight, look up a video on youtube, you won't regret it.
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