IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Serious question -- what's wrong with her? I liked her on The Sopranos, but can't recall seeing her in anything else.
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parrot
Footballguy
Sorry. My bad. But to clear up any confusion, the name "Rat King" is an unofficial name and I don't believe it is ever used in the game or - I would presume - the show, so really there is no spoiler. But I will be more careful.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
FWIW, No knock on the man himself, but I could not imagine, nor would I want to see Hugh Jackman playing Joel.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Other than being too old now, why not? He seems very similar in looks, demeanor and acting chops to the actor on the show. Maybe too distracting having a big name actor?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I am a little worried about Pedro Pascal.
In the last few days I have seen a couple of references to him not being able to sleep and needing medication for it. Hopefully not a precursor to some future OD.
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In the last few days I have seen a couple of references to him not being able to sleep and needing medication for it. Hopefully not a precursor to some future OD.
Pedro Pascal says his brutal 'Game of Thrones' scene with The Mountain was actually 'relaxing'
Pedro Pascal can handle the heat from a hot wing, but the summer sun on the "Games of Thrones" set was another story.
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Pedro Pascal forgot he got cast in 'The Last of Us' after taking Ambien
Pedro Pascal says he took Ambien and temporarily forgot he got cast in 'The Last of Us.'
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I think your last line, yeah. At this point we all know who Hugh Jackman is. He’s a fine actor and all but he, like most actors inflect too much of their own personality in their roles.
Not to pile on but for for example, Will Smith in I Am Legend. Too much Will Smith, not enough Dr. Robert Neville.
Obviously, an unfair comparison, but on the flipside, I have no idea who or how Daniel day Lewis is off screen. Every role he is a different person.
beer 30
Footballguy
Meh, he's got a **** ton going on right now so he's trying to score while he's hot. Get it all while you can because Hollywood will toss you to the side quick and he wasn't exactly tearing it up in the leading man category. Everybody out there take ambien or something to sleep then they take something to wake up and something to lose weight and something to gain muscle and on and on and on.I am a little worried about Pedro Pascal.
In the last few days I have seen a couple of references to him not being able to sleep and needing medication for it. Hopefully not a precursor to some future OD.
Pedro Pascal says his brutal 'Game of Thrones' scene with The Mountain was actually 'relaxing'
Pedro Pascal can handle the heat from a hot wing, but the summer sun on the "Games of Thrones" set was another story.
Pedro Pascal forgot he got cast in 'The Last of Us' after taking Ambien
Pedro Pascal says he took Ambien and temporarily forgot he got cast in 'The Last of Us.'
GordonGekko
Footballguy
I don't have strong feelings about her either way. HBO HQ saw footage of her and wanted her out. David Chase wanted her in. So he kept production at a speed where it was too expensive to recast her.
Much of the casting of the Soprano children came rooted from The Godfather legacy. Mario Puzo made Sonny Corleone into almost a "Caucasian" by proxy. His features, as per the novel, were not traditionally Italian. There was a heavy discussion of how the sister, Connie, was not attractive and had unpleasant features associated with being "Italian", and how her husband, Carlo Rizzi, was seen more as an American level of "handsome" archetype. Something to consider is that when Puzo wrote The Godfather, the culture and what was seen as beauty and desirable was different. Also the larger social divide against Italian Americans or any other immigrants into New York during the timeline of the book. Puzo had a lot of resentment and self loathing in all his writing. You'll see hints of that "anti Italian" sentiment brimming in storylines in both GF2 and GF3.
So you'll see that resonate with lots of writers who were inspired by The Godfather. How the children were written and constructed.
One child is classically "American" And if there is another child, that kid is more physically ranged out to the "old country look"
From a practical standpoint, a large production also wants as few minors as possible. Having minors in the main cast causes all kinds of added layers of complexity because they have limited hours they can work ( via SAG) and other limits designed to protect them. This is why Keira Knightley being cast in Pirates Of The Caribbean was such a huge surprise in the media optics world. Because every limitation in filming is time, and that lost time is money. And even with Johnny Depp, period pieces like that, pirates and such, is not something that is a guaranteed blockbuster hit. Sure, Pirates is a huge franchise now. But no one knew that would happen for sure before the first film.
Sigler, at least for Chase, didn't offer the same complicated limitations that Robert Iler did, he was still a minor when the show began ( HBO HQ regretted that casting later as well, Iler's personal problems caused shooting delays, which again cost money)
HBO doesn't really want unprovens and unknowns in their casts. Not in a major role. They want "cost certainty" , as much as possible, it's part of how they operate. David Chase, as of today, can casts whom he wants to cast. But back then, he was still largely just a writer, albeit one with awards cache, and someone who was not proven as a show runner. There were concerns about how Sigler looked ( unfortunate but that's just how it works) and her health considerations were a concern ( not a secret to HBO, not even in the beginning, no matter what anyone says)
Anyone could have played Meadow Soprano. There's nothing Sigler did that really stood out to anyone. She could have been recast and the show would have gone on. Now you couldn't replace Gandolfini and it's difficult to think of someone who could replace Edie Falco. But it's not like all the major parts were untouchable.
HBO HQ didn't like the way she looked. But it's Hollywood, that's part of the game. If you watch TLOU closely, Bella Ramsey's weight fluctuates sometimes from scene to scene and from episode to episode. That's a huge "No No" in the industry. While a shooting schedule could take months and months, the timeline in the show's universe could be hours, days or a week. You can't have characters that look heavy and then thin and then heavy. Because shows are often shot out of order. An actor can shoot a scene for Episode 10 then Episode 4 on the same day. Or be asked to come back months later for "pick up" shooting to fix some issues. This was a point on controversy on Titanic. Where James Cameron kept riding Kate Winslet on her weight. Again, if you watch the film, her weight scales up and down from scene to scene. The biggest nail in the coffin for the issue was Liv Tyler and the Lord Of The Rings. She put on a lot of weight very quickly and her part had to be severely trimmed out in Return Of The King and it caused all kinds of madness and cost. It stripped her of blooming A List status.
Hollywood is one of the few places left in modern society where you can just tell someone to shove off and that they won't get the job because you don't like how they look. Or you think they'll get fat on you. Or they look too ethnic. Or you look too old. Or that teenage boys won't want to have fantasies about you in the dark.
The media optics world crosses over into Hollywood through the crisis management factor. A List talent with a budding major scandal could literally tank a film, and nowadays, an entire franchise. Someone like Tom Hiddleston was and is essentially protected because he was too valuable to the MCU. Otherwise that idiot would literally get gunned down in a parking lot somewhere for the crap he's pulled.
IMHO, Sigler was bad casting because she had no real resume, her health was a threat to the production schedule, there were concerns about weight maintenance and some suits just didn't like how ethnic she looked. Some people have tried to massage it later to make everything sound less brutal, but it's just how it works.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I noticed this a little before but last night it was really noticeable. All the scenes with her hunting and riding the horse she looked much older/different.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
What's the value in "big name"?
An actor or actress is either "bankable" or they are not.
Showtime just cancelled American Gigolo. Jon Bernthal got the role, in part, because he's proven to have headlined a show before. However if someone like Tom Cruise came on and said I want to play that role for a season, what do you think Showtime would do then? How many people would watch it then? You think they'd still cancel it no matter how badly it was current constructed?
Being "bankable" means people will come to see you as the performer, no matter what you are in. Leonardo DiCaprio could make a movie about being a cobbler and fixing shoes for two hours and lots of people would still pay good money to see it and shout out that it's brilliant. If you are not bankable, then the core concept better be appealing.
Hugh Jackman could have sucked major eggs as Joel, that's entirely possible, but he would have drawn in a built in audience surrounded about his bankability that Pascal simply does not have. Now it wouldn't be as large as Tom Cruise nor Denzel Washington nor Tom Hanks, but it would still be sizable on it's own.
If James Spader left The Blacklist and went to another show where he's basically playing the same character, a network would likely green light it, even if the rest of the premise and situation looked hazy. Why? Because Spader is carrying The Blacklist all by himself. He has a built in TV audience now that will follow him as long he's still being some version of Alan Shore or Raymond Reddington.
Hugh Jackman signing onto TLOU says "This must be something special for a movie star to do TV" It also gives you access to everyone he's worked with in potential casting. He gives you the entire potential cross over audience from every project he's been on.
Imagine if Cardi B announced on every social media platform she has, that she loves fantasy football and that she loves FBG and she has Dodds and Bryant on video once a month talking about how much they all love football. What do you think that would do for the number of subscribers that this place has in real time?
My threshold for a "great game" -- especially now with a million shows and other media competing for my attention -- is whether I can't wait to fire up the PS5 to play it, and TLOU2 absolutely nailed that (even if playing it gave me massive anxiety awaiting what was around each corner). The developer took risks to try to make the sequel a different experience from the original. I thought it worked great. Not everyone felt the same, I guess.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Pedro Pascal is pretty damn bankable for a "TV star". Of course Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt draw a bigger audience, but they also are going to ask for way more $$$. Pascal is probably a nice balance of draw and affordability. "The internet" loves him. He is one of the most beloved actors among the young power users on Twitter, Reddit, etc. He was a standout in his season of Thrones, The Mandalorian is popular and well received, Narcos was pretty successful, he got great reviews (rightfully so) for the Nic Cage movie that probably would have doubled it's box office if it wasn't released during the period which theaters were still struggling to get audiences back. Lets not talk about Wonder Woman 1984, there was no helping that pile of trash.
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GordonGekko
Footballguy
Hugh Jackman - Best known as a Leading Actor based on credits in that role in 28 films, with $5,148,816,916 worldwide aggregate box office (rank #20)
Best-known acting roles: James Howlett/Logan/Wolverine (Deadpool 2), Logan/Wolverine (Logan), Logan / Wolverine (X-Men: Days of Future Past), P.T. Barnum (The Greatest Showman), Logan/Wolverine (X-Men: The Last Stand)
Best-known technical roles: X-Men Origins: Wolverine (Producer), Missing Link (Producer), Deception (Producer)
Most productive collaborators: Michael Gracey, Tom Hooper, Zac Efron, Michael Arndt, James Mangold
Born: October 12, 1968 (54 years old)
https://www.the-numbers.com/person/70600401-Hugh-Jackman#tab=summary
Pedro Pascal - Best known as a Supporting Actor based on credits in that role in 8 films, with $776,625,893 worldwide aggregate box office (rank #4,412)
Best-known acting roles: Dave York (The Equalizer 2), Jack Daniels (Kingsman: The Golden Circle), Maxwell Lord (Wonder Woman 1984), Pero Tovar (The Great Wall), Maitre D' Paul De Santo (The Adjustment Bureau)
Most productive collaborators: Matt Damon, Zhang Yimou, Carlo Bernard, Jian Tian, Doug Miro
Born: April 2, 1975 (47 years old)
https://www.the-numbers.com/person/218750401-Pedro-Pascal#tab=summary
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Has Pascal been in a leading role? Sure. Where his face is covered 99 percent of the time and where he has less marketing potential compared to a puppet.
"Young Power Users" on Twitter can't carry a film's box office weight on it's own. It just doesn't work that way. If you stuck to the internet, Joss Whedon's Serenity was going to be a huge hit. Look at the buzz and excitement online. How did that actual box office turn out in the end? Now I enjoyed that film quite a bit and I loved the Firefly series. But lots of internet buzz by some influencers won't carry a film into a massive hit on their own. They might give it what amounts of a mass of unpaid media coverage, but that's very tough to hold consistently in both the national and international daily media cycle.
If you want to know how important a role/actor is, remove them from the film/TV series and see what happens. Take away Pascal from Narcos and GOT, and the show would have gone on with someone else. Anyone could hide behind a suit in Mandalorian.
Now take X Men and the Logan franchises and remove Jackman, what do you have instead?
psychobillies
Footballguy
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you about Jackman. He may have been better in this show, but I'm enjoying the show quite a bit mostly because I think Pascal and Ramsey are killing it.
5.79/10
Thought it should have been longer. I liked the Ellie backstory but feel like that would have better for an earlier episode. Joel being Rambo again was silly.
Was the assumption the Ellie was definitely going to die with the surgery? I didn’t think so but my wife said yes.
Overall, the episode left me a little unfulfilled. I expected more fireworks for the season finale.
top dog
Footballguy
Yes. She was going to die from the surgery.
Yes that was the assumption
BTW the part with the mother wasn't in the game. It was a great addition. Everything else was pretty much exactly from the game.
You expected more fireworks than Joel going John Rambo?
Capella
Footballguy
Uhhh I don’t know, I’d give it like a 9.5? A 10? I loved it. Very interesting ending and definitely understand why it was so controversial. I think what Joel did was wrong, but I also understand why he did it.
Exactly what my wife said
Capella
Footballguy
Yea I said to my wife so is Joel a good guy or a bad guy and she said she really doesn’t know. She would expect anybody who loved somebody to do the same.
whoknew
Footballguy
I thought the episode was great. And totally think what Joel did was wrong. He did it out of weakness. Not for Ellie. For himself. And it was wrong.
But a really great episode. Joel's ruthlessness was incredible.
ETA: How they did the massacre scene - with just the violin music playing - was awesome.
But a really great episode. Joel's ruthlessness was incredible.
ETA: How they did the massacre scene - with just the violin music playing - was awesome.
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Director did his job then. That's EXACTLY what they were going for.
Capella
Footballguy
Killing the doctor was incredibly cruel. How many people with that kind of knowledge are even left out there?
Supposedly 2 more seasons BOTH based on the 2nd game.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
and a pretty damn grounded person, still responds on occasion to group posts on our highs school facebook page and still chats with a decent number of high school buddies. it’ll be interesting to see if he shows up to our 30th high school reunion this summer. 30 fark
wazoo11
Footballguy
Yes they may split the second game into S2 and S3 as it's much longer than the first one.
You forgot his role in the second Kingsman movie…awesome performance and great movie.
I was spot on
I have to say I was very surprised to see that season finale is already next week. Seems like a quick season. I guess I assume Joel and Ellie continue on their quest to meet up with the fireflies and run into more trouble whether it be infected or humans trying to kill them.
Lol I guess. However no humans were trying to kill them and they didn't run into infected.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Hmm, surprised to hear this. Of course I loved the game and I knew what was going to happen, but I thought they had so many great touches in there. Ellie was definitely going to die in the surgery. The doctor did not have a surefire cure but only a theory. Would any of us allow our child to die for a chance? Perhaps, and maybe while we are outside of the situation we would say yes take the needs of the many over the needs of the few (or one), but who knows what we would have chosen. You can argue that Joel should have just shot the doctor in the leg but he was of a singular focus at the time. I thought they just did a great job with the series overall. Joel is neither good guy nor bad guy, he's human. Flawed, damaged, loving, protector.
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Angry Bovine
Sorry, that prediction is like saying "I think Joel and Ellie will be a focus of this episode." No creditI have to say I was very surprised to see that season finale is already next week. Seems like a quick season. I guess I assume Joel and Ellie continue on their quest to meet up with the fireflies and run into more trouble whether it be infected or humans trying to kill them.
beer 30
Footballguy
The whole time I’m watching thinking “yea, you weren’t even close.”
Swear I thought it was an Ellie flashforward because she looked so much like what I would picture an adult Ellie to look like.
Liked the ending, thought it was rushed and should have been a little longer but I don’t know what you add. I hate that Joel had to do what he did and had to lie to Ellie about it but I told my daughters I’d probably do the same in the situation although I’d just have them kill me. Shooting the only probably the only doc left in the world that could pull that off was pretty cold but it also removes the need to operate on Ellie so it makes it sense from that standpoint. Last two episodes have been really, really good. Hate that we gotta wait so long for season 2.
Capella
Footballguy
Man I might need to play that before the show comes back.
The story isn't as good but the game is incredible
I saw humans shooting at Joel and a doctor trying to kill Ellie in surgury.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Loved the finale, loved this season, loving the as usual insane Gekko theories and posts.
I will say that I think this would be better if Ellie and Joel were recast with Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels.
I will say that I think this would be better if Ellie and Joel were recast with Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
@GordonGekko do you have any links attesting to the fact that Jackman was even considered for the Joel part? I only ask because it's intriguing to me but all I can find is stuff like "Fans want Jackman for Joel" and other speculative articles.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
That should be the end of the series.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
no kidding! Wild.
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