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[jobarules]

While I get this sentiment, these stories are all make believe. So they could just write the whole series into 5 minutes if they cut enough exposition out. What is the point of the truck? Well they go west...no need to show the truck, just mention it "Welcome to Idaho, hey lucky we found that truck back there." I like it they way they are doing it. Why have Joel wear Frank's flannel...it's just a shirt after all. But with some backstory on Frank, it has a little meaning.

But we didnt get a background story on Tess who holds way more significance to the story than Frank & Bill.

 

[Sabertooth]

While I get this sentiment, these stories are all make believe. So they could just write the whole series into 5 minutes if they cut enough exposition out. What is the point of the truck? Well they go west...no need to show the truck, just mention it "Welcome to Idaho, hey lucky we found that truck back there." I like it they way they are doing it. Why have Joel wear Frank's flannel...it's just a shirt after all. But with some backstory on Frank, it has a little meaning.

Didn't even notice what he was wearing, lol.

To me, that's the beauty of it though. Some people will notice, others won't. But it shows me the writers are thinking about it.

 

[Sabertooth]

While I get this sentiment, these stories are all make believe. So they could just write the whole series into 5 minutes if they cut enough exposition out. What is the point of the truck? Well they go west...no need to show the truck, just mention it "Welcome to Idaho, hey lucky we found that truck back there." I like it they way they are doing it. Why have Joel wear Frank's flannel...it's just a shirt after all. But with some backstory on Frank, it has a little meaning.

But we didnt get a background story on Tess who holds way more significance to the story than Frank & Bill.

We didn't get it yet.

 

[fruity pebbles]

While I get this sentiment, these stories are all make believe. So they could just write the whole series into 5 minutes if they cut enough exposition out. What is the point of the truck? Well they go west...no need to show the truck, just mention it "Welcome to Idaho, hey lucky we found that truck back there." I like it they way they are doing it. Why have Joel wear Frank's flannel...it's just a shirt after all. But with some backstory on Frank, it has a little meaning.

Didn't even notice what he was wearing, lol.

To me, that's the beauty of it though. Some people will notice, others won't. But it shows me the writers are thinking about it.

They did a lot of that which is why I thought the episode was so well done. Using the haggard green shirt and baby blanket in the graveyard to warp back 20 years to the people who were wearing them, the leaves falling in autumn signifying Bill and Franks last day, the look out the open bedroom window as Joel and Ellie drove away………

 

[dickey moe]

This is why I didn't play the second game and didn't bother to start the show. The guy who made the game intentionally stokes this kind of culture war controversy as a way of generating press. It's toxic, but it gets clicks and eyeballs, at least in the short run.

To see this, consider whether anything story-related would be meaningfully different if Bill and Frank were simply male friends who teamed up for survival and companionship. That's the same story with the same general plot and messaging, but it doesn't result in critics praising you for your bravery and it doesn't result in any slap-fights across the internet. This decision was made intentionally with these sorts of factors in mind, and it becomes more pronounced as we go along, starting in Season 2.

I've more or less stopped consuming media that relies on this sort of cynical gambit for its marketing. Station Eleven, for example, has a bunch of gay, bisexual, and sexually ambiguous characters, but those characters just happen to be that way and it's no big deal. Druckman doesn't do "no big deal."

Yeah all this, but the show's creators got what they wanted, which is everyone talking about the show.

 

[top dog]

While I get this sentiment, these stories are all make believe. So they could just write the whole series into 5 minutes if they cut enough exposition out. What is the point of the truck? Well they go west...no need to show the truck, just mention it "Welcome to Idaho, hey lucky we found that truck back there." I like it they way they are doing it. Why have Joel wear Frank's flannel...it's just a shirt after all. But with some backstory on Frank, it has a little meaning.

Didn't even notice what he was wearing, lol.

To me, that's the beauty of it though. Some people will notice, others won't. But it shows me the writers are thinking about it.

They did a lot of that which is why I thought the episode was so well done. Using the haggard green shirt and baby blanket in the graveyard to warp back 20 years to the people who were wearing them, the leaves falling in autumn signifying Bill and Franks last day, the look out the open bedroom window as Joel and Ellie drove away………

Don't forget the look of absolute love and amazement when they grew strawberries. That scene right there was enough to win an award.

 

[fruity pebbles]

While I get this sentiment, these stories are all make believe. So they could just write the whole series into 5 minutes if they cut enough exposition out. What is the point of the truck? Well they go west...no need to show the truck, just mention it "Welcome to Idaho, hey lucky we found that truck back there." I like it they way they are doing it. Why have Joel wear Frank's flannel...it's just a shirt after all. But with some backstory on Frank, it has a little meaning.

Didn't even notice what he was wearing, lol.

To me, that's the beauty of it though. Some people will notice, others won't. But it shows me the writers are thinking about it.

They did a lot of that which is why I thought the episode was so well done. Using the haggard green shirt and baby blanket in the graveyard to warp back 20 years to the people who were wearing them, the leaves falling in autumn signifying Bill and Franks last day, the look out the open bedroom window as Joel and Ellie drove away………

Don't forget the look of absolute love and amazement when they grew strawberries. That scene right there was enough to win an award.

Bill‘s little kid giggle was pretty great

 

[jamny]

I covered one eye and peaked through the other eylid to see that Ellie was born "~Jan-April, 2019

January–April, 2019

So, getting away from that storyline...I guess Ellie has a bit of a sadistic streak in her.

Right.

Sorry if it’s been gone over but do we know her age relative to the day the world all but ended?

Joel said the date but I don’t remember.

She wasn't born

Dude, if you just spoiled a major plot….

Huh?

She wasn't born when the world went to hell
She's like 14 years old and that was 20 years ago.

I read it as maybe she was born from a spore or something. Apologies.

I thought it was something weird too, like she was a clone or something....lol
He should have written, "she wasn't born yet"

 

[farfromforgotten]

First two episodes of this series got like what, two pages of discussion on this board? “Gay” episode has twice that amount so far. I stand by my previous comment in that if it was the same story with a guy and a girl that none of you care quite so much. I’d even bet the video game purists would care less if they completely changed Frank’s gender over what they just had to witness. This thread might have gotten a page dedicated to that.

 

[jamny]

First two episodes of this series got like what, two pages of discussion on this board? “Gay” episode has twice that amount so far. I stand by my previous comment in that if it was the same story with a guy and a girl that none of you care quite so much. I’d even bet the video game purists would care less if they completely changed Frank’s gender over what they just had to witness. This thread might have gotten a page dedicated to that.

Seems like most of the comments aren't about them being gay but that it was boring for many, didn't advance the storyline much and seemed like a filler episode. I contend that I would have felt the same about the episode if it was a male/female love story.

The Fly episode of BB got a lot of discussion too for many of the same reasons.

 

[top dog]

First two episodes of this series got like what, two pages of discussion on this board? “Gay” episode has twice that amount so far. I stand by my previous comment in that if it was the same story with a guy and a girl that none of you care quite so much. I’d even bet the video game purists would care less if they completely changed Frank’s gender over what they just had to witness. This thread might have gotten a page dedicated to that.

To be fair, the first 2 episodes were pretty awesome and there wasn't a whole lot to complain about.

 

[Capella]

People gatekeeping a video game Please go outside and get some fresh air

 

[nysfl2]

My wife thought the first two episodes were only OK, and loved the third episode.

Whether you liked it or not, it definitely will be good for expanding the show's audience, and good for the long-term health of the show.

 

[fruity pebbles]

People gatekeeping a video game Please go outside and get some fresh air

No kidding. I thought the book nerds were bad.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

But we didnt get a background story on Tess who holds way more significance to the story than Frank & Bill.

the "story" is whatever the writers of the TELEVISION show determine it is. I can understand not liking the episode or story for whatever reason. what I don't get is why people that played the video game get to decide what's important to the story.*

source material is just that - source material. It's a jumping off point. This is now a television show "based" on a video game. It isn't just a live version of the game.


* I mean that more generally and not as harsh as it may sound in writing

 

[jobarules]

But we didnt get a background story on Tess who holds way more significance to the story than Frank & Bill.

the "story" is whatever the writers of the TELEVISION show determine it is. I can understand not liking the episode or story for whatever reason. what I don't get is why people that played the video game get to decide what's important to the story.*

source material is just that - source material. It's a jumping off point. This is now a television show "based" on a video game. It isn't just a live version of the game.


* I mean that more generally and not as harsh as it may sound in writing

Ive already said I liked all the changes they made to the show. I couldnt care less if the show follows the story line from the game. There is no background given for Tess in the game either yet I think that would've been a more impactful storyline than Frank and Bill, two characters we met in episode 3 and wont meet again.

I found it boring. It has absolutely nothing to do with the game.

 

[jobarules]

Wow just realized my post saying how I hated the episode was deleted.

 

[fruity pebbles]

His own secured town, an armory for protection, hot water, self sustained food and top notch culinary skills.......Bill suddenly became the most eligible bachelor on the East coast.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

People gatekeeping a video game Please go outside and get some fresh air

You're arguing with strangers on the internet about a zombie mushroom show.

 

[top dog]

His own secured town, an armory for protection, hot water, self sustained food and top notch culinary skills.......Bill suddenly became the most eligible bachelor on the East coast.

I gotta admit.. I got a little thirsty.... er... hungry myself watching Bill cook up that meal!

 

[tribe]

Enjoyed the episode. Thought the Bill/Frank stuff went on a hair too long, but I enjoy seeing how people evolved from the start of the pandemic to the current period. At the end of the day, I'm in no rush and am fine if they take their time and draw out some of these details as it helps paint the overall narrative.

I also thought it tied in pretty well with the overall story arc. Sure, they spent an entire episode building up characters we will never see again, but I took the point that there needs to be more to peoples lives than just survival. People need a reason to live just as Bill found Frank. Joel is going through the same thing. He just lost Tess, the one person he cared for and in at least a small way blames Ellie. Coming back to Bills house and reading the note I'm sure will help him move on and start to develop the bond with Ellie that everyone mentions throughout the rest of the series. But I've never played the game and have absolutely no background on any of this except what I see in the show, so who knows.

 

[jobarules]

Enjoyed the episode. Thought the Bill/Frank stuff went on a hair too long, but I enjoy seeing how people evolved from the start of the pandemic to the current period. At the end of the day, I'm in no rush and am fine if they take their time and draw out some of these details as it helps paint the overall narrative.

I also thought it tied in pretty well with the overall story arc. Sure, they spent an entire episode building up characters we will never see again, but I took the point that there needs to be more to peoples lives than just survival. People need a reason to live just as Bill found Frank. Joel is going through the same thing. He just lost Tess, the one person he cared for and in at least a small way blames Ellie. Coming back to Bills house and reading the note I'm sure will help him move on and start to develop the bond with Ellie that everyone mentions throughout the rest of the series. But I've never played the game and have absolutely no background on any of this except what I see in the show, so who knows.

lol

 

[Capella]

People gatekeeping a video game Please go outside and get some fresh air

You're arguing with strangers on the internet about a zombie mushroom show.

Touché

 

[beer 30]

You're arguing with strangers on the internet about a zombie mushroom show.

Well when you put it like that...

 

[jobarules]

But we didnt get a background story on Tess who holds way more significance to the story than Frank & Bill.

the "story" is whatever the writers of the TELEVISION show determine it is. I can understand not liking the episode or story for whatever reason. what I don't get is why people that played the video game get to decide what's important to the story.*

source material is just that - source material. It's a jumping off point. This is now a television show "based" on a video game. It isn't just a live version of the game.


* I mean that more generally and not as harsh as it may sound in writing

If this is true can I now spoil the game?

jk

 

[Dr. Octopus]

But we didnt get a background story on Tess who holds way more significance to the story than Frank & Bill.

the "story" is whatever the writers of the TELEVISION show determine it is. I can understand not liking the episode or story for whatever reason. what I don't get is why people that played the video game get to decide what's important to the story.*

source material is just that - source material. It's a jumping off point. This is now a television show "based" on a video game. It isn't just a live version of the game.


* I mean that more generally and not as harsh as it may sound in writing

If this is true can I now spoil the game?

jk

"Based on" of course will incorporate some direct elements from the source material. No one said it's something totally different - it just doesn't have to be identical.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

But we didnt get a background story on Tess who holds way more significance to the story than Frank & Bill.

the "story" is whatever the writers of the TELEVISION show determine it is. I can understand not liking the episode or story for whatever reason. what I don't get is why people that played the video game get to decide what's important to the story.*

source material is just that - source material. It's a jumping off point. This is now a television show "based" on a video game. It isn't just a live version of the game.


* I mean that more generally and not as harsh as it may sound in writing

Pretty sure the people who made the game are also making the show too.

 

[Faust]

‘The Last of Us’ makes a mockery of Boston-area geography

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

‘The Last of Us’ makes a mockery of Boston-area geography

They should be able to retcon an image there. Not like they showed Joel and Ellie traversing a mountain -- just woods and a stream.


Side question: How old is Joel supposed to be? He fought in Desert Storm in '91?

 

[Johnnie Nepal]

‘The Last of Us’ makes a mockery of Boston-area geography

They should be able to retcon an image there. Not like they showed Joel and Ellie traversing a mountain -- just woods and a stream.


Side question: How old is Joel supposed to be? He fought in Desert Storm in '91?

Joel is 56, I think they said it in episode one or two... or it can be pieced together from his past birthday and the 20 year time jump.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

‘The Last of Us’ makes a mockery of Boston-area geography

That’s funny. I don’t care but when they showed that I did look over to my wife and say “THATS 10 miles west of Boston???”

 

[The General]

‘The Last of Us’ makes a mockery of Boston-area geography

They should be able to retcon an image there. Not like they showed Joel and Ellie traversing a mountain -- just woods and a stream.


Side question: How old is Joel supposed to be? He fought in Desert Storm in '91?

Joel is 56, I think they said it in episode one or two... or it can be pieced together from his past birthday and the 20 year time jump.

Joel has a great skin care routine!

 

[bushdocda]

Would have been better if the guy that fell in the hole trap was Steven Seagal. Otherwise, no notes.

 

[BeTheMatch]

‘The Last of Us’ makes a mockery of Boston-area geography

That’s funny. I don’t care but when they showed that I did look over to my wife and say “THATS 10 miles west of Boston???”

Said the exact same thing

 

[ConstruxBoy]

‘The Last of Us’ makes a mockery of Boston-area geography

They should be able to retcon an image there. Not like they showed Joel and Ellie traversing a mountain -- just woods and a stream.


Side question: How old is Joel supposed to be? He fought in Desert Storm in '91?

Joel is 56, I think they said it in episode one or two... or it can be pieced together from his past birthday and the 20 year time jump.

Joel has a great skin care routine!

Hell, he wears a helmet all day in his other role. Face has barely seen the sun.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

‘The Last of Us’ makes a mockery of Boston-area geography

They should be able to retcon an image there. Not like they showed Joel and Ellie traversing a mountain -- just woods and a stream.


Side question: How old is Joel supposed to be? He fought in Desert Storm in '91?

Joel is 56, I think they said it in episode one or two... or it can be pieced together from his past birthday and the 20 year time jump.

Joel has a great skin care routine!

Hell, he wears a helmet all day in his other role. Face has barely seen the sun.

Pascal really is on an epic run: Game of Thrones, Narcos, Mandalorian, Last of Us.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

‘The Last of Us’ makes a mockery of Boston-area geography

They should be able to retcon an image there. Not like they showed Joel and Ellie traversing a mountain -- just woods and a stream.


Side question: How old is Joel supposed to be? He fought in Desert Storm in '91?

Joel is 56, I think they said it in episode one or two... or it can be pieced together from his past birthday and the 20 year time jump.

Yes, he says he's 36 in Ep. 1 or 2.

 

[Todem]

Episode 3 was well acted. We liked it. First 2 episodes were a lot better.

The show has been gold so far. Making me want to back and play both games again. Which I will anyway undoubtedly.

 

[Todem]

This is why I didn't play the second game and didn't bother to start the show. The guy who made the game intentionally stokes this kind of culture war controversy as a way of generating press. It's toxic, but it gets clicks and eyeballs, at least in the short run.

To see this, consider whether anything story-related would be meaningfully different if Bill and Frank were simply male friends who teamed up for survival and companionship. That's the same story with the same general plot and messaging, but it doesn't result in critics praising you for your bravery and it doesn't result in any slap-fights across the internet. This decision was made intentionally with these sorts of factors in mind, and it becomes more pronounced as we go along, starting in Season 2.

I've more or less stopped consuming media that relies on this sort of cynical gambit for its marketing. Station Eleven, for example, has a bunch of gay, bisexual, and sexually ambiguous characters, but those characters just happen to be that way and it's no big deal. Druckman doesn't do "no big deal."

Supposedly the writer of the show (Mazin) had to warm Druckman up to this episode.

2nd game was amazing BTW

The 2nd game is fantastic.

Period.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The 2nd game is fantastic.

Period.

User reviews were mostly super-positive, and like I said before I was a huge fan of the first game, so I'm inclined to think that you're probably right.

The issue is that we are drowning in fantastic games, fantastic shows, and fantastic movies. I never played TLOU2 and never felt like I missed out on anything at all, because I just played some other top-shelf game instead. It's not 1990, and I don't have to put up with culture war sludge to enjoy media anymore. I can just costly skip over that stuff and consume media that isn't so intentionally divisive.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

The 2nd game is fantastic.

Period.

User reviews were mostly super-positive, and like I said before I was a huge fan of the first game, so I'm inclined to think that you're probably right.

The issue is that we are drowning in fantastic games, fantastic shows, and fantastic movies. I never played TLOU2 and never felt like I missed out on anything at all, because I just played some other top-shelf game instead. It's not 1990, and I don't have to put up with culture war sludge to enjoy media anymore. I can just costly skip over that stuff and consume media that isn't so intentionally divisive.

Where are all these great games? I havent played anything “New” in forever. It’s all the same stuff with prettier graphics.

I’m asking because I’m pretty bored with these shallow games.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

The 2nd game is fantastic.

Period.

User reviews were mostly super-positive, and like I said before I was a huge fan of the first game, so I'm inclined to think that you're probably right.

The issue is that we are drowning in fantastic games, fantastic shows, and fantastic movies. I never played TLOU2 and never felt like I missed out on anything at all, because I just played some other top-shelf game instead. It's not 1990, and I don't have to put up with culture war sludge to enjoy media anymore. I can just costly skip over that stuff and consume media that isn't so intentionally divisive.

So you're skipping the game and show because it has gay characters?

 

[Todem]

The 2nd game is fantastic.

Period.

User reviews were mostly super-positive, and like I said before I was a huge fan of the first game, so I'm inclined to think that you're probably right.

The issue is that we are drowning in fantastic games, fantastic shows, and fantastic movies. I never played TLOU2 and never felt like I missed out on anything at all, because I just played some other top-shelf game instead. It's not 1990, and I don't have to put up with culture war sludge to enjoy media anymore. I can just costly skip over that stuff and consume media that isn't so intentionally divisive.

I completely respect that approach. For me I loved the first game so much I wanted to experience that world again on the PS4 when it came out and from a pure video game perspective it exceeded all my expectations.

And that is in spite of the forced culture narratives that are being shoved down our throats at every corner in media these days.

I happened to take no issues with the sexuality subject matter on TLOU 2. It does not bother me. Everyone has freewill to watch/play what they want.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

The 2nd game is fantastic.

Period.

User reviews were mostly super-positive, and like I said before I was a huge fan of the first game, so I'm inclined to think that you're probably right.

The issue is that we are drowning in fantastic games, fantastic shows, and fantastic movies. I never played TLOU2 and never felt like I missed out on anything at all, because I just played some other top-shelf game instead. It's not 1990, and I don't have to put up with culture war sludge to enjoy media anymore. I can just costly skip over that stuff and consume media that isn't so intentionally divisive.

So you're skipping the game and show because it has gay characters?

Did you skip through reading all of his post? Gaslight much?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The 2nd game is fantastic.

Period.

User reviews were mostly super-positive, and like I said before I was a huge fan of the first game, so I'm inclined to think that you're probably right.

The issue is that we are drowning in fantastic games, fantastic shows, and fantastic movies. I never played TLOU2 and never felt like I missed out on anything at all, because I just played some other top-shelf game instead. It's not 1990, and I don't have to put up with culture war sludge to enjoy media anymore. I can just costly skip over that stuff and consume media that isn't so intentionally divisive.

So you're skipping the game and show because it has gay characters?

No, of course not. What I'm getting at is that there's a particular marketing strategy that certain content creators use these days, where the intentionally stoke culture war fights as a way of getting their product in the news. Star Wars does this. So did the new Lord of the Rings show. TLOU didn't do this, but TLOU2 did. I just skip over these products. I don't want politics in my entertainment consumption.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

The 2nd game is fantastic.

Period.

User reviews were mostly super-positive, and like I said before I was a huge fan of the first game, so I'm inclined to think that you're probably right.

The issue is that we are drowning in fantastic games, fantastic shows, and fantastic movies. I never played TLOU2 and never felt like I missed out on anything at all, because I just played some other top-shelf game instead. It's not 1990, and I don't have to put up with culture war sludge to enjoy media anymore. I can just costly skip over that stuff and consume media that isn't so intentionally divisive.

So you're skipping the game and show because it has gay characters?

Did you skip through reading all of his post? Gaslight much?

I'm not sure I read all of his posts. I'm trying to unpack what he is saying in that one. He's a very intelligent poster that usually states his position more clearly.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

The 2nd game is fantastic.

Period.

User reviews were mostly super-positive, and like I said before I was a huge fan of the first game, so I'm inclined to think that you're probably right.

The issue is that we are drowning in fantastic games, fantastic shows, and fantastic movies. I never played TLOU2 and never felt like I missed out on anything at all, because I just played some other top-shelf game instead. It's not 1990, and I don't have to put up with culture war sludge to enjoy media anymore. I can just costly skip over that stuff and consume media that isn't so intentionally divisive.

So you're skipping the game and show because it has gay characters?

No, of course not. What I'm getting at is that there's a particular marketing strategy that certain content creators use these days, where the intentionally stoke culture war fights as a way of getting their product in the news. Star Wars does this. So did the new Lord of the Rings show. TLOU didn't do this, but TLOU2 did. I just skip over these products. I don't want politics in my entertainment consumption.

OK fair enough. Thanks for answering. So what sides are on the culture war in this case? I've honestly not seen it called that, although I don't follow politics much. I have seen the "shoved down my throat" phrase that Todem mentioned and I do understand that reference.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I liked the love story in Ep3. I can see where living in isolation in a post apocalyptic world would make one yearn for emotional attachment whether hereto or homosexual.

Having said that, be warned...if any one of you come on to me, even at the end of civilization, I'll probably shoot you.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

The 2nd game is fantastic.

Period.

User reviews were mostly super-positive, and like I said before I was a huge fan of the first game, so I'm inclined to think that you're probably right.

The issue is that we are drowning in fantastic games, fantastic shows, and fantastic movies. I never played TLOU2 and never felt like I missed out on anything at all, because I just played some other top-shelf game instead. It's not 1990, and I don't have to put up with culture war sludge to enjoy media anymore. I can just costly skip over that stuff and consume media that isn't so intentionally divisive.

So you're skipping the game and show because it has gay characters?

No, of course not. What I'm getting at is that there's a particular marketing strategy that certain content creators use these days, where the intentionally stoke culture war fights as a way of getting their product in the news. Star Wars does this. So did the new Lord of the Rings show. TLOU didn't do this, but TLOU2 did. I just skip over these products. I don't want politics in my entertainment consumption.

What cultural war thing did the new LotR's do?

 

[stbugs]

The 2nd game is fantastic.

Period.

User reviews were mostly super-positive, and like I said before I was a huge fan of the first game, so I'm inclined to think that you're probably right.

The issue is that we are drowning in fantastic games, fantastic shows, and fantastic movies. I never played TLOU2 and never felt like I missed out on anything at all, because I just played some other top-shelf game instead. It's not 1990, and I don't have to put up with culture war sludge to enjoy media anymore. I can just costly skip over that stuff and consume media that isn't so intentionally divisive.

So you're skipping the game and show because it has gay characters?

No, of course not. What I'm getting at is that there's a particular marketing strategy that certain content creators use these days, where the intentionally stoke culture war fights as a way of getting their product in the news. Star Wars does this. So did the new Lord of the Rings show. TLOU didn't do this, but TLOU2 did. I just skip over these products. I don't want politics in my entertainment consumption.

What cultural war thing did the new LotR's do?

I was wondering the same thing. I think there was a lot of OMG there are black characters and Tolkien would have never done that purists. The same people didn’t seem to mind the black characters in House of Dragons.

I don’t recall LOTRs doing anything to be controversial. It was more people being upset, but there certainly wasn’t a scene with two old men doing it.