***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (6 Viewers)

[shadyridr]

Backpack guy survives Zombie Apocolypse for months. Asks Rick to stop and all of a sudden cant defend himself against Zombies

 

[shadyridr]

Lol @ everyone in here forgetting who Gekko is and taking his comments that Morgan should be leader as serious business.

who is Gekko?

 

[packersfan]

Rick: We’re eating his food now?Michonne: Mat said “welcome.” That was a great line. Loved everything they did with Michonne in this episode.

Michonne actually seemed like a "normal " person . The episode was a real breakout or even reboot for her character.

Not sure a reboot, just natural evolution. She's been very isolated but she has begun to realize how important it is to be a part of group if for no other reason than basic survival. So she's trying to integrate herself more and prove herself worthy in Rick's eyes. That said, there's no question this script went to greater lengths to show her as a fully-rounded person than anything we'd seen previously.

 

[FlapJacks]

I'll bet Rick finds something in the backpack that would identify who that guy was. Maybe someone famous or something.

they'll only find a mystifying inscription which reads "PATSWILLWIN"It will never be explained

 

[gmbacm]

And again, reinforcing a vehicle wouldn't make the gas mileage much worse. Put some plywood (not much heavier than the glass) over the windows with small gaps to see/shoot out of. Make sure it's 4 wheel drive. Not much to it to keep zombies out really.

Plywood?

Why not? It's light, and from what we have seen, zombies aren't gona get through it. They can't even get through glass. But if that glass is in a car window and rolled part way down, it would break easily.

I'd go with metal - sheet metal, steel bars or chain link - welded to the car.

That would upset alot of people in this thread who are worrying about the extra weight affecting the gas mileage. Also, plywood would work just as well. These zombies aren't gonna get through it.Now, if they are going to use it in an attack against humans (Woodbury), then yeah, the steel would work better.

How do you plan to attach the wood to the car?Glass isn't light (probably 5-10 lbs. per side window) so replacing them with metal bars isn't going to add that much weight.One of the advantages of having a larger vehicle is even though you get worse mileage you can carry jerry cans or even install a second gas tank.

How would I attach wood panels to a car? Screws?Metal bars would be fine, as long as you can cut them and fit them in. And how would you attach THOSE to the car?

Stupid to waste all that time in the prison. There has got to be a Ford factory around somewhere. They should hole up there and design/build their own car. Something like this.http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IljZBXGSKa8/TR_Y4KtBSgI/AAAAAAAAAFY/_7Wcnvgwex0/s1600/Death%2BRace%2B3%2BMovie.jpg

 

[badmojo1006]

I'll bet Rick finds something in the backpack that would identify who that guy was. Maybe someone famous or something.

The Backpacker's story will make a great webisode.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

This show is entertaining as hell. This thread is too, but for much different reasons. LOL's at all the posts about exactly how Rick's Band should attack Woodbury, which leader would be better to go into war with, how they should zombie proof their cars with plywood, why doesn't it ever rain where they live, and many other "they should do this" type posts.

When I first started watching the show a couple weeks back I tried to follow along with the thread as I watched...once I got to a 3-4 page discussion on the zombie digestive system I stopped

 

[DougGlatt]

That may have been the best episode of the series. The contrast between where Rick and Morgan are based on being with people and without was just amazing. Hopefully, this wakes Rick up to what he has going for him and snaps out of crazytown before it's too late.

 

[packersfan]

That may have been the best episode of the series. The contrast between where Rick and Morgan are based on being with people and without was just amazing. Hopefully, this wakes Rick up to what he has going for him and snaps out of crazytown before it's too late.

Based on the interviews I've seen and read with Andrew Lincoln and Robert Kirkman both have alluded to this being a significant moment in terms of Rick seeing where he's gone wrong and how he needs to get back on the right path. We'll see if that's how it's played out the rest of the season.

 

[DougGlatt]

That may have been the best episode of the series. The contrast between where Rick and Morgan are based on being with people and without was just amazing. Hopefully, this wakes Rick up to what he has going for him and snaps out of crazytown before it's too late.

Based on the interviews I've seen and read with Andrew Lincoln and Robert Kirkman both have alluded to this being a significant moment in terms of Rick seeing where he's gone wrong and how he needs to get back on the right path. We'll see if that's how it's played out the rest of the season.

I imagine we'll see pieces of it because a large part of the remaining season is going to be all out war.

 

[Wingnut]

Enjoyed the episode. Loved the comment from Michone about the welcome mat.

Nice bit of acting from the guy playing Morgan. Great scenes. Although, I think that stab wound would affect Rick a little more than they showed.

The welcome mat line as she was munchin down on the chips was good.As for the bolded, that seems to be the consensus, I thought it was pretty over the top for the most part though. He was trying to black it up a little too much or something. It got better when he was more subdued, but the crazy wasn't a very believable performance to me.

He was in Snatch

Well I'll be damned. That's why he looked familiar. He played Sol. Im sorry, I couldnt ger the bye-knock-u-Lars out in time.

 

[packersfan]

That may have been the best episode of the series. The contrast between where Rick and Morgan are based on being with people and without was just amazing. Hopefully, this wakes Rick up to what he has going for him and snaps out of crazytown before it's too late.

Based on the interviews I've seen and read with Andrew Lincoln and Robert Kirkman both have alluded to this being a significant moment in terms of Rick seeing where he's gone wrong and how he needs to get back on the right path. We'll see if that's how it's played out the rest of the season.

I imagine we'll see pieces of it because a large part of the remaining season is going to be all out war.

True but normal Rick will be a much more formidable foe for the Governor than bat-s**t crazy hey there's my wife and Shane Rick.

 

[biggamer3]

havent read much, but are we all in agreement that Andrea is the worst character on this show?

 

[(HULK)]

Lol @ everyone in here forgetting who Gekko is and taking his comments that Morgan should be leader as serious business.

who is Gekko?

Gordon Gekko, the guy who trolled a bunch of people in this thread by suggesting a mad man who makes zombie ant traps would be the best leader in the show.

 

[mad sweeney]

Southern accents are really easy to screw up, but it seems Brits are pretty good at it. I don't remember if it was this thread or not, but someone mentioned that it's the easiest one for foreigners to mimic. Of course, just because it's easy doesn't mean even great actors won't screw it up (see: Cate Blanchette in Hannah), but it's interesting to see so many Brits (Rick, Morgan and at least one I'm forgetting) popping up in this Atlanta-based South located show do well in that regard.

 

[Thunderlips]

Rick's the best leader. By far. Shane would have been a better War Chief.

 

[Wingnut]

...But the weak people...the people like me...we have inherited the earth.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

...But the weak people...the people like me...we have inherited the earth.

So true. Yuo could also feel it when he told Rick that he's going to die by bullets or teeth if he continues like he is.

 

[mad sweeney]

...But the weak people...the people like me...we have inherited the earth.

So true. Yuo could also feel it when he told Rick that he's going to die by bullets or teeth if he continues like he is.

I didn't feel he was too over the top at all, I thought it was probably the best acted and best written exchange of the whole series. At least Morgan's parts were. It's ridiculous to suggest the guy as a leader. He's nuttier than Rick. Maybe some time around people will change that as he seemed to come out of his stupor a little once he was convinced that Rick wasn't an apparition wearing a dead man's skin. But crazier than Rick. Now Rick, his priorities are just all over the place. They're out gathering guns because the Guv's attack is imminent, and the delay of not getting the guns at the cop station seemed to be a big deal, but yet he wants to wait around for Morgan to wake up. It's little incongruities like this that knock the show down off the pedestal quite a bit at times. It's unavoidable in TV, period. This one seems to do it in inexplicable ways over and over though. Like letting Carl and Michonne wander off, or Carl trying to ditch Michonne. Every week, someone's doing something extremely stupid just to get zombie drama going.

Also, not really much in the way of "kill of the week" this week. I guess tempting the zombies to impale themselves counts for ingenuity, but we were kind of spoiled by awesome kills the last few weeks so it seems a letdown to not try and top it.

 

[packersfan]

Also, not really much in the way of "kill of the week" this week.

Michonne's over the head behind her kill was pretty sweet.

 

[Wingnut]

Also, not really much in the way of "kill of the week" this week. I guess tempting the zombies to impale themselves counts for ingenuity, but we were kind of spoiled by awesome kills the last few weeks so it seems a letdown to not try and top it.

I liked Michonne's no look, stab-the-walker-behind-her-through-the-head move. It wasn't a vintage WD kill, but it was maybe the best this week.ETA: packers fan beat me to the punch.

 

[mad sweeney]

Also, not really much in the way of "kill of the week" this week. I guess tempting the zombies to impale themselves counts for ingenuity, but we were kind of spoiled by awesome kills the last few weeks so it seems a letdown to not try and top it.

I liked Michonne's no look, stab-the-walker-behind-her-through-the-head move. It wasn't a vintage WD kill, but it was maybe the best this week.ETA: packers fan beat me to the punch.

Meh. It was the best of the episode, maybe, but was pretty mediocre in terms of previous KOWs.

 

[pollardsvision]

...But the weak people...the people like me...we have inherited the earth.

So true. Yuo could also feel it when he told Rick that he's going to die by bullets or teeth if he continues like he is.

Maybe I'm a little slow, but would you guys mind explaining why that's true?I think it was a just another WD line thrown in because it sounds cool with no actual meaning or truth (like Governor to Andrea "If you go to that prison....stay").

First, is Morgan weak? He was when he wouldn't shoot his wife, but he's surviving by himself. He's anything but weak.

We know of, what 4 groups of people (or person, in Morgan's case) that are surviving. None qualify as "weak".

I don't exactly know what "inheriting the Earth" means, but I'm pretty sure Morgan isn't doing that either. He's alone, lost his mind, and begging for death.

I don't see how Morgan is weak or inheriting the Earth, so I really have no idea what truth lies in that phrase.

Is he saying the loners and/or the unambitious have a better chance of surviving? That's highly debatable, and I'd say not true.

Morgan's group of 2 is down to 1 and would be zero if not for Rick sparing his life.

Rick's ambitions of having "something worth protecting" are no different than Morgan's compound (which he himself has an armory to protect, not sure how Rick didn't see or comment on the hypocrisy there).

Anyway, I guess I just don't get it, but I didn't see the truth in the statement. Sounded good though.

Loved that scene, but that line felt out of place to me.

 

[mad sweeney]

...But the weak people...the people like me...we have inherited the earth.

So true. Yuo could also feel it when he told Rick that he's going to die by bullets or teeth if he continues like he is.

Maybe I'm a little slow, but would you guys mind explaining why that's true?I think it was a just another WD line thrown in because it sounds cool with no actual meaning or truth (like Governor to Andrea "If you go to that prison....stay").

First, is Morgan weak? He was when he wouldn't shoot his wife, but he's surviving by himself. He's anything but weak.

We know of, what 4 groups of people (or person, in Morgan's case) that are surviving. None qualify as "weak".

I don't exactly know what "inheriting the Earth" means, but I'm pretty sure Morgan isn't doing that either. He's alone, lost his mind, and begging for death.

I don't see how Morgan is weak or inheriting the Earth, so I really have no idea what truth lies in that phrase.

Is he saying the loners and/or the unambitious have a better chance of surviving? That's highly debatable, and I'd say not true.

Morgan's group of 2 is down to 1 and would be zero if not for Rick sparing his life.

Rick's ambitions of having "something worth protecting" are no different than Morgan's compound (which he himself has an armory to protect, not sure how Rick didn't see or comment on the hypocrisy there).

Anyway, I guess I just don't get it, but I didn't see the truth in the statement. Sounded good though.

Loved that scene, but that line felt out of place to me.

He thinks he's weak because he couldn't shoot his zombie wife and she ended up killing their son. And he thinks he's weak because he can't kill himself. He's lost all hope for long term survival for anyone, except maybe rats like himself. I don't think it was a throwaway line, he really thinks that only the weak will survive because they're worthless and scurry and hide and don't find life worth living and are without the spine needed to kill themselves. Those like Rick, who dare to try and live, will end up like everyone else: dead by walker or by other "strong" people.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Think outside the box for kill of the week.....Backpack Guy.

 

[dhockster]

Think outside the box for kill of the week.....Backpack Guy.

I like.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

...But the weak people...the people like me...we have inherited the earth.

So true. Yuo could also feel it when he told Rick that he's going to die by bullets or teeth if he continues like he is.

Maybe I'm a little slow, but would you guys mind explaining why that's true?I think it was a just another WD line thrown in because it sounds cool with no actual meaning or truth (like Governor to Andrea "If you go to that prison....stay").

First, is Morgan weak? He was when he wouldn't shoot his wife, but he's surviving by himself. He's anything but weak.

We know of, what 4 groups of people (or person, in Morgan's case) that are surviving. None qualify as "weak".

I don't exactly know what "inheriting the Earth" means, but I'm pretty sure Morgan isn't doing that either. He's alone, lost his mind, and begging for death.

I don't see how Morgan is weak or inheriting the Earth, so I really have no idea what truth lies in that phrase.

Is he saying the loners and/or the unambitious have a better chance of surviving? That's highly debatable, and I'd say not true.

Morgan's group of 2 is down to 1 and would be zero if not for Rick sparing his life.

Rick's ambitions of having "something worth protecting" are no different than Morgan's compound (which he himself has an armory to protect, not sure how Rick didn't see or comment on the hypocrisy there).

Anyway, I guess I just don't get it, but I didn't see the truth in the statement. Sounded good though.

Loved that scene, but that line felt out of place to me.

He thinks he's weak because he couldn't shoot his zombie wife and she ended up killing their son. And he thinks he's weak because he can't kill himself. He's lost all hope for long term survival for anyone, except maybe rats like himself. I don't think it was a throwaway line, he really thinks that only the weak will survive because they're worthless and scurry and hide and don't find life worth living and are without the spine needed to kill themselves. Those like Rick, who dare to try and live, will end up like everyone else: dead by walker or by other "strong" people.

This.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Think outside the box for kill of the week.....Backpack Guy.

I felt bad for that dude....that had to be an empty feeling seeing them leave the second time lol

 

[The Ref]

Sidebar here, and I'm sure this must have been discussed in here at some point. But I'm picking up as much gas food and ammo as I can and I'm headed to the coast to grab a boat. I'm then headed to Key West and then the Bahamas. If either one of those places don't work out I'd sail south to one of the other small islands.

What if theyre already taken?

Every single boat on the eastern seaboard? I'm taking my chances that there is one left somewhere.

 

[Copeman]

Sidebar here, and I'm sure this must have been discussed in here at some point. But I'm picking up as much gas food and ammo as I can and I'm headed to the coast to grab a boat. I'm then headed to Key West and then the Bahamas. If either one of those places don't work out I'd sail south to one of the other small islands.

What if theyre already taken?

Every single boat on the eastern seaboard? I'm taking my chances that there is one left somewhere.

If these zombies are anything like those from WWZ, then a boat/island isn't going to help you much.

 

[pollardsvision]

...But the weak people...the people like me...we have inherited the earth.

So true. Yuo could also feel it when he told Rick that he's going to die by bullets or teeth if he continues like he is.

Maybe I'm a little slow, but would you guys mind explaining why that's true?I think it was a just another WD line thrown in because it sounds cool with no actual meaning or truth (like Governor to Andrea "If you go to that prison....stay").

First, is Morgan weak? He was when he wouldn't shoot his wife, but he's surviving by himself. He's anything but weak.

We know of, what 4 groups of people (or person, in Morgan's case) that are surviving. None qualify as "weak".

I don't exactly know what "inheriting the Earth" means, but I'm pretty sure Morgan isn't doing that either. He's alone, lost his mind, and begging for death.

I don't see how Morgan is weak or inheriting the Earth, so I really have no idea what truth lies in that phrase.

Is he saying the loners and/or the unambitious have a better chance of surviving? That's highly debatable, and I'd say not true.

Morgan's group of 2 is down to 1 and would be zero if not for Rick sparing his life.

Rick's ambitions of having "something worth protecting" are no different than Morgan's compound (which he himself has an armory to protect, not sure how Rick didn't see or comment on the hypocrisy there).

Anyway, I guess I just don't get it, but I didn't see the truth in the statement. Sounded good though.

Loved that scene, but that line felt out of place to me.

He thinks he's weak because he couldn't shoot his zombie wife and she ended up killing their son. And he thinks he's weak because he can't kill himself. He's lost all hope for long term survival for anyone, except maybe rats like himself. I don't think it was a throwaway line, he really thinks that only the weak will survive because they're worthless and scurry and hide and don't find life worth living and are without the spine needed to kill themselves. Those like Rick, who dare to try and live, will end up like everyone else: dead by walker or by other "strong" people.

It's just hard for me to buy the weak/hiding like a rat thing when he met newcomers from the top of a building on his fortress with an assault rifle that came from his stockpile of automatic weapons.He's not much different than Rick's group. He's bunkered down, just trying to survive. He's just doing it alone and is better stocked. I fail to see where the guy with the stones to do it alone is the weak one here.

The "weak because he's lost all hope in humanity and society" thing I almost buy, but it's not like Rick's group has some grand hope of some upcoming utopia. They have a small society because of pre-established family units and the idea that surviving as a group makes more sense than alone. They know, just like Morgan, that this is almost certain to end badly.

Weak because he can't kill himself? I guess, but I think that describes most everyone still surviving. Most have thought about it, but don't have the stones to do it. His urge is stronger because he's alone, not because he's weak.

If suicide is the barometer for strength, then that ninny Andrea would be the strongest character on the show.

I'm not trying to be a #####. I'm just not buying Morgan as "weak". If we had to pick a "strongest" character on the entire show, he'd have to be the pick using almost any definition.

He cleared out this entire town by himself. Pretty much built his own "Woodbury" by himself. He somehow built an entire armory by himself.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Not sure if this was mentioned already but the writer of last night's episode, Scott M. Gimple, is the new showrunner. He also wrote "18 Miles Out" last season which was another amazing episode. Writing and being a showrunner are different skills but if these episodes are any indication the show may remain in great hands with Glen Mazzara gone.

Exceptional episode last night. Here'sa behind the scene look at last night's show. SPOILERS INCLUDED.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Sidebar here, and I'm sure this must have been discussed in here at some point. But I'm picking up as much gas food and ammo as I can and I'm headed to the coast to grab a boat. I'm then headed to Key West and then the Bahamas. If either one of those places don't work out I'd sail south to one of the other small islands.

What if theyre already taken?

Every single boat on the eastern seaboard? I'm taking my chances that there is one left somewhere.

I meant the islands...

 

[FlapJacks]

Sidebar here, and I'm sure this must have been discussed in here at some point. But I'm picking up as much gas food and ammo as I can and I'm headed to the coast to grab a boat. I'm then headed to Key West and then the Bahamas. If either one of those places don't work out I'd sail south to one of the other small islands.

What if theyre already taken?

Every single boat on the eastern seaboard? I'm taking my chances that there is one left somewhere.

If you can hole yourself up for awhile, maybe you can make one.

 

[Thunderlips]

...But the weak people...the people like me...we have inherited the earth.

So true. Yuo could also feel it when he told Rick that he's going to die by bullets or teeth if he continues like he is.

Maybe I'm a little slow, but would you guys mind explaining why that's true?I think it was a just another WD line thrown in because it sounds cool with no actual meaning or truth (like Governor to Andrea "If you go to that prison....stay").

First, is Morgan weak? He was when he wouldn't shoot his wife, but he's surviving by himself. He's anything but weak.

We know of, what 4 groups of people (or person, in Morgan's case) that are surviving. None qualify as "weak".

I don't exactly know what "inheriting the Earth" means, but I'm pretty sure Morgan isn't doing that either. He's alone, lost his mind, and begging for death.

I don't see how Morgan is weak or inheriting the Earth, so I really have no idea what truth lies in that phrase.

Is he saying the loners and/or the unambitious have a better chance of surviving? That's highly debatable, and I'd say not true.

Morgan's group of 2 is down to 1 and would be zero if not for Rick sparing his life.

Rick's ambitions of having "something worth protecting" are no different than Morgan's compound (which he himself has an armory to protect, not sure how Rick didn't see or comment on the hypocrisy there).

Anyway, I guess I just don't get it, but I didn't see the truth in the statement. Sounded good though.

Loved that scene, but that line felt out of place to me.

He thinks he's weak because he couldn't shoot his zombie wife and she ended up killing their son. And he thinks he's weak because he can't kill himself. He's lost all hope for long term survival for anyone, except maybe rats like himself. I don't think it was a throwaway line, he really thinks that only the weak will survive because they're worthless and scurry and hide and don't find life worth living and are without the spine needed to kill themselves. Those like Rick, who dare to try and live, will end up like everyone else: dead by walker or by other "strong" people.

It's just hard for me to buy the weak/hiding like a rat thing when he met newcomers from the top of a building on his fortress with an assault rifle that came from his stockpile of automatic weapons.He's not much different than Rick's group. He's bunkered down, just trying to survive. He's just doing it alone and is better stocked. I fail to see where the guy with the stones to do it alone is the weak one here.

The "weak because he's lost all hope in humanity and society" thing I almost buy, but it's not like Rick's group has some grand hope of some upcoming utopia. They have a small society because of pre-established family units and the idea that surviving as a group makes more sense than alone. They know, just like Morgan, that this is almost certain to end badly.

Weak because he can't kill himself? I guess, but I think that describes most everyone still surviving. Most have thought about it, but don't have the stones to do it. His urge is stronger because he's alone, not because he's weak.

If suicide is the barometer for strength, then that ninny Andrea would be the strongest character on the show.

I'm not trying to be a #####. I'm just not buying Morgan as "weak". If we had to pick a "strongest" character on the entire show, he'd have to be the pick using almost any definition.

He cleared out this entire town by himself. Pretty much built his own "Woodbury" by himself. He somehow built an entire armory by himself.

I took his "weakness" in two ways.1) From the fact that he let the memories of his wife cloud his judgement in killing her; thus being semi-responsible for the death of Duane. I'm sure he's seeing that encounter as an extension of what he thought the zombies did from the first episode (namely...maintain some sort of memory of their former life).

2) His refusal, (for lack of better words) to get into the fight for someone/thing that he actually thought was good. He's basically saying that Rick's a dead man because he has conviction to still have faith in something; that caring and having something to care for (which Morgan still sees as a positive) is a death sentence in this new world. Morgan acknowledges that he is weak because he won't allow himself the luxury of a "weakness" and instead will just eek out a meaningless survival.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Sidebar here, and I'm sure this must have been discussed in here at some point. But I'm picking up as much gas food and ammo as I can and I'm headed to the coast to grab a boat. I'm then headed to Key West and then the Bahamas. If either one of those places don't work out I'd sail south to one of the other small islands.

What if theyre already taken?

Every single boat on the eastern seaboard? I'm taking my chances that there is one left somewhere.

I meant the islands...

Not a bad idea. Avid sailors who live on the coast have a big advantage in the zombie apocalypse. They can sail and find an uninhabited key somewhere off the tip of Florida. Live happily ever after.

 

[NIU Kicker]

Sidebar here, and I'm sure this must have been discussed in here at some point. But I'm picking up as much gas food and ammo as I can and I'm headed to the coast to grab a boat. I'm then headed to Key West and then the Bahamas. If either one of those places don't work out I'd sail south to one of the other small islands.

What if theyre already taken?

Every single boat on the eastern seaboard? I'm taking my chances that there is one left somewhere.

I meant the islands...

Not a bad idea. Avid sailors who live on the coast have a big advantage in the zombie apocalypse. They can sail and find an uninhabited key somewhere off the tip of Florida. Live happily ever after.

Key West is one bomb away from a simular situation. Or Martha's vinyard or any other small coastal island.

 

[packersfan]

Watching the episode again.This is award-winning stuff. Pure greatness all around.

 

[pollardsvision]

...But the weak people...the people like me...we have inherited the earth.

So true. Yuo could also feel it when he told Rick that he's going to die by bullets or teeth if he continues like he is.

Maybe I'm a little slow, but would you guys mind explaining why that's true?I think it was a just another WD line thrown in because it sounds cool with no actual meaning or truth (like Governor to Andrea "If you go to that prison....stay").

First, is Morgan weak? He was when he wouldn't shoot his wife, but he's surviving by himself. He's anything but weak.

We know of, what 4 groups of people (or person, in Morgan's case) that are surviving. None qualify as "weak".

I don't exactly know what "inheriting the Earth" means, but I'm pretty sure Morgan isn't doing that either. He's alone, lost his mind, and begging for death.

I don't see how Morgan is weak or inheriting the Earth, so I really have no idea what truth lies in that phrase.

Is he saying the loners and/or the unambitious have a better chance of surviving? That's highly debatable, and I'd say not true.

Morgan's group of 2 is down to 1 and would be zero if not for Rick sparing his life.

Rick's ambitions of having "something worth protecting" are no different than Morgan's compound (which he himself has an armory to protect, not sure how Rick didn't see or comment on the hypocrisy there).

Anyway, I guess I just don't get it, but I didn't see the truth in the statement. Sounded good though.

Loved that scene, but that line felt out of place to me.

He thinks he's weak because he couldn't shoot his zombie wife and she ended up killing their son. And he thinks he's weak because he can't kill himself. He's lost all hope for long term survival for anyone, except maybe rats like himself. I don't think it was a throwaway line, he really thinks that only the weak will survive because they're worthless and scurry and hide and don't find life worth living and are without the spine needed to kill themselves. Those like Rick, who dare to try and live, will end up like everyone else: dead by walker or by other "strong" people.

It's just hard for me to buy the weak/hiding like a rat thing when he met newcomers from the top of a building on his fortress with an assault rifle that came from his stockpile of automatic weapons.He's not much different than Rick's group. He's bunkered down, just trying to survive. He's just doing it alone and is better stocked. I fail to see where the guy with the stones to do it alone is the weak one here.

The "weak because he's lost all hope in humanity and society" thing I almost buy, but it's not like Rick's group has some grand hope of some upcoming utopia. They have a small society because of pre-established family units and the idea that surviving as a group makes more sense than alone. They know, just like Morgan, that this is almost certain to end badly.

Weak because he can't kill himself? I guess, but I think that describes most everyone still surviving. Most have thought about it, but don't have the stones to do it. His urge is stronger because he's alone, not because he's weak.

If suicide is the barometer for strength, then that ninny Andrea would be the strongest character on the show.

I'm not trying to be a #####. I'm just not buying Morgan as "weak". If we had to pick a "strongest" character on the entire show, he'd have to be the pick using almost any definition.

He cleared out this entire town by himself. Pretty much built his own "Woodbury" by himself. He somehow built an entire armory by himself.

I took his "weakness" in two ways.1) From the fact that he let the memories of his wife cloud his judgement in killing her; thus being semi-responsible for the death of Duane. I'm sure he's seeing that encounter as an extension of what he thought the zombies did from the first episode (namely...maintain some sort of memory of their former life).



2) His refusal, (for lack of better words) to get into the fight for someone/thing that he actually thought was good. He's basically saying that Rick's a dead man because he has conviction to still have faith in something; that caring and having something to care for (which Morgan still sees as a positive) is a death sentence in this new world. Morgan acknowledges that he is weak because he won't allow himself the luxury of a "weakness" and instead will just eek out a meaningless survival.

That's a reasonable explanation.Though, I don't agree with Morgan's reasoning on that, and I think that the writers should've just written what you wrote, or had Rick counter with the very easy counterargument.

Rick and Morgan are both fighting for survival. I don't think Rick and the Gang (better, Shuke?) see some higher purpose to defending the prison and doing it as a group. It's just what they see as the best path to survival. They'd leave if they thought it the best way to survive (as some feel).

I think they just differ on their opinion of the best way to survive.

I'm not sure there's an important distinction between a desire for survival and a meaningful survival.

IMO, wanting to live (as Morgan clearly does) implies some feeling of desire for a meaningful life in some way.

Morgan is going to great lengths to survive, and to me, that implies that some part of him sees some meaningful reason to do so.

Or put another way, for someone who sees absolutely no hope for the future, Morgan sure is going to great lengths to stick around to see it.

 

[Thunderlips]

...But the weak people...the people like me...we have inherited the earth.

So true. Yuo could also feel it when he told Rick that he's going to die by bullets or teeth if he continues like he is.

Maybe I'm a little slow, but would you guys mind explaining why that's true?I think it was a just another WD line thrown in because it sounds cool with no actual meaning or truth (like Governor to Andrea "If you go to that prison....stay").

First, is Morgan weak? He was when he wouldn't shoot his wife, but he's surviving by himself. He's anything but weak.

We know of, what 4 groups of people (or person, in Morgan's case) that are surviving. None qualify as "weak".

I don't exactly know what "inheriting the Earth" means, but I'm pretty sure Morgan isn't doing that either. He's alone, lost his mind, and begging for death.

I don't see how Morgan is weak or inheriting the Earth, so I really have no idea what truth lies in that phrase.

Is he saying the loners and/or the unambitious have a better chance of surviving? That's highly debatable, and I'd say not true.

Morgan's group of 2 is down to 1 and would be zero if not for Rick sparing his life.

Rick's ambitions of having "something worth protecting" are no different than Morgan's compound (which he himself has an armory to protect, not sure how Rick didn't see or comment on the hypocrisy there).

Anyway, I guess I just don't get it, but I didn't see the truth in the statement. Sounded good though.

Loved that scene, but that line felt out of place to me.

He thinks he's weak because he couldn't shoot his zombie wife and she ended up killing their son. And he thinks he's weak because he can't kill himself. He's lost all hope for long term survival for anyone, except maybe rats like himself. I don't think it was a throwaway line, he really thinks that only the weak will survive because they're worthless and scurry and hide and don't find life worth living and are without the spine needed to kill themselves. Those like Rick, who dare to try and live, will end up like everyone else: dead by walker or by other "strong" people.

It's just hard for me to buy the weak/hiding like a rat thing when he met newcomers from the top of a building on his fortress with an assault rifle that came from his stockpile of automatic weapons.He's not much different than Rick's group. He's bunkered down, just trying to survive. He's just doing it alone and is better stocked. I fail to see where the guy with the stones to do it alone is the weak one here.

The "weak because he's lost all hope in humanity and society" thing I almost buy, but it's not like Rick's group has some grand hope of some upcoming utopia. They have a small society because of pre-established family units and the idea that surviving as a group makes more sense than alone. They know, just like Morgan, that this is almost certain to end badly.

Weak because he can't kill himself? I guess, but I think that describes most everyone still surviving. Most have thought about it, but don't have the stones to do it. His urge is stronger because he's alone, not because he's weak.

If suicide is the barometer for strength, then that ninny Andrea would be the strongest character on the show.

I'm not trying to be a #####. I'm just not buying Morgan as "weak". If we had to pick a "strongest" character on the entire show, he'd have to be the pick using almost any definition.

He cleared out this entire town by himself. Pretty much built his own "Woodbury" by himself. He somehow built an entire armory by himself.

I took his "weakness" in two ways.1) From the fact that he let the memories of his wife cloud his judgement in killing her; thus being semi-responsible for the death of Duane. I'm sure he's seeing that encounter as an extension of what he thought the zombies did from the first episode (namely...maintain some sort of memory of their former life).



2) His refusal, (for lack of better words) to get into the fight for someone/thing that he actually thought was good. He's basically saying that Rick's a dead man because he has conviction to still have faith in something; that caring and having something to care for (which Morgan still sees as a positive) is a death sentence in this new world. Morgan acknowledges that he is weak because he won't allow himself the luxury of a "weakness" and instead will just eek out a meaningless survival.

That's a reasonable explanation.Though, I don't agree with Morgan's reasoning on that, and I think that the writers should've just written what you wrote, or had Rick counter with the very easy counterargument.

Rick and Morgan are both fighting for survival. I don't think Rick and the Gang (better, Shuke?) see some higher purpose to defending the prison and doing it as a group. It's just what they see as the best path to survival. They'd leave if they thought it the best way to survive (as some feel).

I think they just differ on their opinion of the best way to survive.

I'm not sure there's an important distinction between a desire for survival and a meaningful survival.

IMO, wanting to live (as Morgan clearly does) implies some feeling of desire for a meaningful life in some way.

Morgan is going to great lengths to survive, and to me, that implies that some part of him sees some meaningful reason to do so.

Or put another way, for someone who sees absolutely no hope for the future, Morgan sure is going to great lengths to stick around to see it.

I don't think it's about the defense of the prison but defense of what Rick sees as his new "family"...with the family (and by an extent the prison) being the best chance of survival for his "weakness"...Carl. ( The funny thing being that at least on The Talking Dead last night...they felt that he didn't really give much of a crap about Judith).....and we might still see them further debate leaving as maybe Rick's experiences have shown him what the potential cost/worth of the prison is. I do agree that Morgan isn't gone. You don't fight that hard if you want to die.... and I think the commentary with Carl at the end might go a long way into bringing Morgan back into the fold as it seemed like there was a little bit of connection with him.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Not sure if this was mentioned already but the writer of last night's episode, Scott M. Gimple, is the new showrunner. He also wrote "18 Miles Out" last season which was another amazing episode. Writing and being a showrunner are different skills but if these episodes are any indication the show may remain in great hands with Glen Mazzara gone.

Exceptional episode last night. Here'sa behind the scene look at last night's show. SPOILERS INCLUDED.

That was very good! Thanks for posting this!It should be noted that the spoilers are only related to last nights episode.

 

[bonesman]

Enjoyed the episode. Loved the comment from Michone about the welcome mat.

Nice bit of acting from the guy playing Morgan. Great scenes. Although, I think that stab wound would affect Rick a little more than they showed.

The welcome mat line as she was munchin down on the chips was good.As for the bolded, that seems to be the consensus, I thought it was pretty over the top for the most part though. He was trying to black it up a little too much or something. It got better when he was more subdued, but the crazy wasn't a very believable performance to me.

Over the top with the Southern accent I guess. Laid it on a little too thick... like he was playing a newly freed slave or something. Came off unrealistic to me.

 

[Raider Nation]

Time for a biter to put Carl on the menu.

Agreed. Time for him to go.

Carl is one of the best characters on the show, still don't get why you guys hate him.

The kid who plays him is a terrible actor. Even by terrible child actor standards.

 

[mr roboto]

You guys would ##### about winning the lottery, I swear.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Iknowrite?

 

[ScottNorwood]

Iknowrite?

HFS

 

[prosopis]

Can someone point me in the direction of the guy who had free links to the comics? Please

 

[-fish-]

Can someone point me in the direction of the guy who had free links to the comics? Please

My link

 

[flapgreen]

Iknowrite?

HFS

Lol

 

[Psychopav]

Enjoyed the episode. Loved the comment from Michone about the welcome mat.

Nice bit of acting from the guy playing Morgan. Great scenes. Although, I think that stab wound would affect Rick a little more than they showed.

The welcome mat line as she was munchin down on the chips was good.As for the bolded, that seems to be the consensus, I thought it was pretty over the top for the most part though. He was trying to black it up a little too much or something. It got better when he was more subdued, but the crazy wasn't a very believable performance to me.

Over the top with the Southern accent I guess. Laid it on a little too thick... like he was playing a newly freed slave or something. Came off unrealistic to me.