***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[Bigboy10182000]

What will season 4's dilemma be?

No idea, but whatever it is, I hope they are all roaming. Most of the appeal (for me, anyway) of season 1 was all of the choas, trying to get to Atlanta or the CDC or anywhere else that will be safe. But once they are there, hunkered down, the story drags. I want to see them on the run every week. Let's see what the rest of the country looks like. Surely the show has a big enough budget to make that happen by now.

AMC is a ####ing joke. They have the highest rated cable TV show and a veritable goldmine for the foreseeable future yet they are trying to milk every dime they can out of the show. They cut the 2nd season's budget from $3.3M to $2.7M even though it was a bona fide hit and fired the original showrunner over it.

I'm not interested in giving this show a single penny in merchandise, games, etc. as long as they remain greedy and don't make producing a quality show a serious concern. I suggest a boycott of anything Walking Dead related until they make a change.

The stuff you care about makes you looks crazy....seriously

 

[VA703]

the lack of closure with the governor situation is what really got me... i don't understand carrying his storyline into another season.

(i haven't read the graphic novels and not sure how big of a part he ends up playing... but come on!)

im assuming hes going to form another renegade army for another final showdown and when he dies will be the end of the series. i just dont see them finding a cure and they cant just continue the show with them running around from farm to farm shooting zombies.. even though i would probably still wtach that

id like to see them get on a boat and sail off looking for an island then eventually run into zombie jurrasic park

thatd be awesome

 

[flapgreen]

Isn't this the same group of people who cheered on as Daryl and Merle fought with walkers on all sides. Should've killed them all.

 

[cstu]

What will season 4's dilemma be?

No idea, but whatever it is, I hope they are all roaming. Most of the appeal (for me, anyway) of season 1 was all of the choas, trying to get to Atlanta or the CDC or anywhere else that will be safe. But once they are there, hunkered down, the story drags. I want to see them on the run every week. Let's see what the rest of the country looks like. Surely the show has a big enough budget to make that happen by now.

AMC is a ####ing joke. They have the highest rated cable TV show and a veritable goldmine for the foreseeable future yet they are trying to milk every dime they can out of the show. They cut the 2nd season's budget from $3.3M to $2.7M even though it was a bona fide hit and fired the original showrunner over it.

I'm not interested in giving this show a single penny in merchandise, games, etc. as long as they remain greedy and don't make producing a quality show a serious concern. I suggest a boycott of anything Walking Dead related until they make a change.

The stuff you care about makes you looks crazy....seriously

Is Son of Anarchy creator Kurt Sutter crazy too?

1/2/2013

“The process of showrunning and vision is not something everyone can do. You have to have somebody who understands the process of making a television show week after week.

Robert is an amazing visual artist and graphic artist who knows very little about TV. The reins keep going back to him in this process, and he doesn’t know how to run a show.”

“The show has a tremendous following; it has legs. They’re going to plug somebody else in there; they’ll plug some pour soul in there, or, my sense is that they won’t even hire a showrunner. My sense is that…they’ll throw a s***load of executives at it. They’ll take some poor sap on the writing staff and elevate him…they probably won’t even call him a showrunner…And that poor sap will ultimately be just expediting the notes and the vision of non-creative people, or at least non-creative TV people.”

It’ll work for a minute. In season 4, when this will all happen, the numbers will be big, and people will show up. Will it continue to do well? No. My sense is that without somebody like a Glen Mazzara running that show, eventually it will lose focus and the narratives will run out of steam, and it won’t be able to build off of itself, and it will suffer.”

 

[FlapJacks]

too much of season 3 pt 2 seemed like filler

 

[FreeBaGeL]

What Sutter didn't realize is that all that already happened with Mazzara's back half of S3, which hadn't aired yet when he made those comments.

Mazzara is basically Larry Coker. He was able to leach off of what Daranbont built up for a little while but eventually his poor ability to run things shown through and things took a big turn for the worse.

 

[bigbottom]

I was left a little perplexed about Rick's group's plan. Was it to chase off the Governor's group? Or was it to prevail over them? If it was to prevail over them, it failed miserably. The flashbangs and walkers got them completely freaked and disorganized. Check. It drove them straight out into the yard essentially unprotected where Rick's group had assumed strategic shooting positions. Check. This allowed Rick's group to take them out, like shooting fish in a barrel. Wah?

That said, there were things I really liked about the finale. The Governor's set-up with Milton and Andrea was awesome. And I thought it was fitting that Andrea ended up dying a meaningless death. First, the predictable thing was that she'd make it. She didn't. Second, she didn't get to exact revenge or achieve redemption. Awesome.

I also liked the Governor gunning down his own people. It's been brewing for a while now, but I was still surprised to see it happen.

 

[cstu]

What Sutter didn't realize is that all that already happened with Mazzara's back half of S3, which hadn't aired yet when he made those comments.

Mazzara is basically Larry Coker. He was able to leach off of what Daranbont built up for a little while but eventually his poor ability to run things shown through and things took a big turn for the worse.

I'm not going to comment on him since I don't know everything that went on behind the scenes that made it difficult for Mazzara. However, Darabont would still be on the show had they not cut the budget and allowed him to control the show and I believe it would have been far better.

Sutter was completely right about them elevating a writer to the 'showrunner' but without actual control. Let's hope he's wrong about in going down the tubes.

 

[jamny]

the lack of closure with the governor situation is what really got me... i don't understand carrying his storyline into another season.

(i haven't read the graphic novels and not sure how big of a part he ends up playing... but come on!)

im assuming hes going to form another renegade army for another final showdown and when he dies will be the end of the series. i just dont see them finding a cure and they cant just continue the show with them running around from farm to farm shooting zombies.. even though i would probably still wtach that

That's it? End of the series? No other groups to run across?

There's so much they could do with the storyline but they wimped out and pushed what was already a dragged out story and didn't conclude it. We're supposed to be stoked for a new season and a new direction. Can't wait? I can. I'll watch when it comes back but I can't imagine the premiere being all that exciting. Maybe a zombie will squash Hershel's tomatoes and he'll go crazy.

 

[cstu]

I was left a little perplexed about Rick's group's plan. Was it to chase off the Governor's group? Or was it to prevail over them? If it was to prevail over them, it failed miserably. The flashbangs and walkers got them completely freaked and disorganized. Check. It drove them straight out into the yard essentially unprotected where Rick's group had assumed strategic shooting positions. Check. This allowed Rick's group to take them out, like shooting fish in a barrel. Wah?

That said, there were things I really liked about the finale. The Governor's set-up with Milton and Andrea was awesome. And I thought it was fitting that Andrea ended up dying a meaningless death. First, the predictable thing was that she'd make it. She didn't. Second, she didn't get to exact revenge or achieve redemption. Awesome.

I also liked the Governor gunning down his own people. It's been brewing for a while now, but I was still surprised to see it happen.

All they wanted to do was scare the people of Woodbury but not hurt them so they wouldn't believe the Governor that they were a threat. That worked but even if the people had gone back and refused to attack again it wouldn't have stop the Governor from coming back on him own with his loyal troops.

 

[Parrothead]

How about season 4 introduces a whole new group of survivors somehwere else in the country, and follows them for awhile..

 

[Disco Stu]

I was left a little perplexed about Rick's group's plan. Was it to chase off the Governor's group? Or was it to prevail over them? If it was to prevail over them, it failed miserably. The flashbangs and walkers got them completely freaked and disorganized. Check. It drove them straight out into the yard essentially unprotected where Rick's group had assumed strategic shooting positions. Check. This allowed Rick's group to take them out, like shooting fish in a barrel. Wah? That said, there were things I really liked about the finale. The Governor's set-up with Milton and Andrea was awesome. And I thought it was fitting that Andrea ended up dying a meaningless death. First, the predictable thing was that she'd make it. She didn't. Second, she didn't get to exact revenge or achieve redemption. Awesome. I also liked the Governor gunning down his own people. It's been brewing for a while now, but I was still surprised to see it happen.

All they wanted to do was scare the people of Woodbury but not hurt them so they wouldn't believe the Governor that they were a threat. That worked but even if the people had gone back and refused to attack again it wouldn't have stop the Governor from coming back on him own with his loyal troops.

And troops is plural, but just barely. Merle's impact on the outcome can't be overstated. It's because of him the Gov had to roll in with his woefully unprepared B team.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I was left a little perplexed about Rick's group's plan. Was it to chase off the Governor's group? Or was it to prevail over them? If it was to prevail over them, it failed miserably. The flashbangs and walkers got them completely freaked and disorganized. Check. It drove them straight out into the yard essentially unprotected where Rick's group had assumed strategic shooting positions. Check. This allowed Rick's group to take them out, like shooting fish in a barrel. Wah?

That's the difference between the old Walking Dead and the current Walking Dead. In the old version they would have showed them talking about the plan and someone would have made the patently obvious comment of "Wait, so we're just going to scare them off? Aren't they just going to come back in like 2 hours and we'll be right back where we started, only this time without a plan?".

In the current version they just celebrate scaring them off and decide that now that they're a little spooked they can just send 3 people who will magically be able to take out the whole town? How about when they say "we have to pursue them and finish this" someone says "you realize that's still like 60 people, right?". It's like the writers wrote it with the characters having the knowledge that the Governor had conveniently killed his entire army.

 

[flapgreen]

What Sutter didn't realize is that all that already happened with Mazzara's back half of S3, which hadn't aired yet when he made those comments. Mazzara is basically Larry Coker. He was able to leach off of what Daranbont built up for a little while but eventually his poor ability to run things shown through and things took a big turn for the worse.

I bet Sutter knows more about the situation than you.

 

[snogger]

How about season 4 introduces a whole new group of survivors somehwere else in the country, and follows them for awhile..

Reading this "preview" seems they plan on moving onto the "rebuilding of Civilization" phase, or at least the beginning of it. Haven't had a chance to watch the video yet..

 

[FreeBaGeL]

What Sutter didn't realize is that all that already happened with Mazzara's back half of S3, which hadn't aired yet when he made those comments.

Mazzara is basically Larry Coker. He was able to leach off of what Daranbont built up for a little while but eventually his poor ability to run things shown through and things took a big turn for the worse.

I'm not going to comment on him since I don't know everything that went on behind the scenes that made it difficult for Mazzara. However, Darabont would still be on the show had they not cut the budget and allowed him to control the show and I believe it would have been far better.

Sutter was completely right about them elevating a writer to the 'showrunner' but without actual control. Let's hope he's wrong about in going down the tubes.

That's fair. I agree that they should have just let Daranbont do whatever the heck he wanted. Allegedly (from an article posted earlier in this thread) a bit part of that was actually Kirkman too, not just AMC.

I just don't get him complaining about what they're doing to Mazzara so much. Mazzara was already the one who came in and screwed things up when they ran off Daranbont.

 

[optionmaven]

too much of season 3 pt 2 seemed like filler

I haven't started watching season 3 yet. The last episode of season 2 shows the prison off in the distance in the final scene. But what i want to know, does season 3 disclose or tell me more about the apocalypse and how it happened? Seems like flashing back and seeing how some people made it out and others didn't could be worth a few quality shows on its own.

 

[snogger]

I was left a little perplexed about Rick's group's plan. Was it to chase off the Governor's group? Or was it to prevail over them? If it was to prevail over them, it failed miserably. The flashbangs and walkers got them completely freaked and disorganized. Check. It drove them straight out into the yard essentially unprotected where Rick's group had assumed strategic shooting positions. Check. This allowed Rick's group to take them out, like shooting fish in a barrel. Wah?

That's the difference between the old Walking Dead and the current Walking Dead. In the old version they would have showed them talking about the plan and someone would have made the patently obvious comment of "Wait, so we're just going to scare them off? Aren't they just going to come back in like 2 hours and we'll be right back where we started, only this time without a plan?".

In the current version they just celebrate scaring them off and decide that now that they're a little spooked they can just send 3 people who will magically be able to take out the whole town? How about when they say "we have to pursue them and finish this" someone says "you realize that's still like 60 people, right?". It's like the writers wrote it with the characters having the knowledge that the Governor had conveniently killed his entire army.

Reading above, and watching the "behind the scenes" video, it seems they had a 90 minute episode planned and shot..

Why AMC cut it back to 60 minutes is

 

[jamny]

too much of season 3 pt 2 seemed like filler

I haven't started watching season 3 yet. The last episode of season 2 shows the prison off in the distance in the final scene. But what i want to know, does season 3 disclose or tell me more about the apocalypse and how it happened? Seems like flashing back and seeing how some people made it out and others didn't could be worth a few quality shows on its own.

No.

 

[Disco Stu]

Rick is planning to repopulate the earth with his seed.

Karen>hey

 

[FreeBaGeL]

What Sutter didn't realize is that all that already happened with Mazzara's back half of S3, which hadn't aired yet when he made those comments. Mazzara is basically Larry Coker. He was able to leach off of what Daranbont built up for a little while but eventually his poor ability to run things shown through and things took a big turn for the worse.

I bet Sutter knows more about the situation than you.

I'm sure. But as a show runner for an entirely different network I doubt he had any kind of behind the scenes access that would have let him see how poor season 3.5 was at the time when he was making those comments.

Remember, Mazzara was let-go just as the bad episodes were starting to air. What Sutter described would happen in season 4 without Mazzara (strong start with big numbers but then the quality of the show will start to decline rapidly) is exactly what happened in season 3 with Mazzara taking over.

Incidentally, the only good episodes from season 3.5 ("Clear" and "This Sorrowful Life" were the only two episodes written by Gimple, the guy taking over for Mazzara).

Bottom line, Sutter's general point is right on. It should be directed at Daranbont though, not Mazzara. At this point they should beg and grovel to get Daranbont back onboard and tell him he can do whatever the heck he wants. The show has taken a huge turn from the comics anyway so I'm not sure why they're inclined to let Kirkman have so much say.

Although it is a bit ironic that in this case what we all want (more control for the TV guy Daranbont and less for the original author) is the opposite of what we typically ask for in comic/book adaptations.

 

[Buckna]

That interview with the Actor that plays Milton connects a lot of the pieces from behind the scenes based on other stuff I read. Mazzara wrote the finale and it sounds like they went back and reshot a few things here and there. That helps explain why it felt so disjointed and "choppy" as someone else said. Tyrese says "wait while I go check things out" and nothing came of it, well that obviously must have been from the original version when Tyrese finds Milton & Andrea dead in the room. There's no real way to know, but considering Mazzara wrote this episode we can probably blame him for many of the issues with it. For example, seems unlikely they could go reshoot the entire prison fight sequence on their budget.

Sounds like the new guy came up with the whole opening sequence which was one of the better parts of the episode IMO.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

too much of season 3 pt 2 seemed like filler

I haven't started watching season 3 yet. The last episode of season 2 shows the prison off in the distance in the final scene. But what i want to know, does season 3 disclose or tell me more about the apocalypse and how it happened? Seems like flashing back and seeing how some people made it out and others didn't could be worth a few quality shows on its own.

No, and that was one of the sticking points that led to the original showrunner's departure. He wanted to do flashbacks, and the comic author and execs said "no".

 

[Disco Stu]

The thing about Milton trying to choke out a willing Andrea sounds dumber than anything that aired.

 

[(HULK)]

Interview with Kirkman:

TVLINE | Laurie Holden suggested it was somewhat of a last-minute decision to kill off Andrea. What led to the change in plans?
I wouldn’t say it was necessarily last minute. It wasn’t quite planned at the very beginning of the season. It came up in the development of the Woodbury story. There were a lot of different plans for the Andrea character, and as we started getting closer and closer to the last few episodes of the season, it started to become a little more clear the direction we wanted to go in. And the thing that would have the most impact on all of the characters was actually her death.

TVLINE | Did the fan backlash towards the character factor in at all?
That was never anything that worked into the decision-making process. Fan backlash isn’t something we use to make decisions. The death of Andrea was already shot well before these last eight episodes aired. So it’s not really even possible to use fan reaction to guide story.

TVLINE | Were you surprised by the criticism directed at her? And, looking back, would you do anything differently?
Looking back, there are probably a few things we could’ve done to stem that. It wasn’t our intention to have a small but vocal portion of the audience not really behind her. We really wanted to show this character as someone who was optimistic about the possibilities of Woodbury. In the end, it’s always a risk having the audience know something that the character doesn’t. But we felt it was important to show the optimism in her. To show, in a sense, how desperate she was to have something to hold on to and be optimistic about. Some audience members didn’t react favorably to that. I do think it was a misreading of the situation. I see a lot of people saying, “Why doesn’t she know the Governor is a bad guy?” We’re seeing a larger picture that the character is not seeing. And some audience members didn’t key into that as much as we would’ve liked them too.

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TVLINE | Why did she spend so much time staring at Zombie Milton instead of picking up those damn pliers?
[Laughs] You know, it was a struggle. A very tense situation. If you’ve never been straped to a chair watching someone die before you I don’t know that you can really judge how someone behaved. [Laughs]

TVLINE | Why did Rick bring the Woodbury residents to the prison instead of relocating the prison folks to Woodbury?
The Governor is still out there. He’s already killed a great number of people from Woodbury. And I think they were able to repel him at the prison, so moving into Woodbury and setting up shop in his backyard – a place he’s very familiar with — would be very dangerous for Rick. They see the prison as something that is much more easily defended than Woodbury. They were able to get into Woodbury easily themselves. The Woodbury defenses are very effective against zombies, but not very effective against humans. They see it as much more of a defensible position.

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TVLINE | Why keep the Governor around as a series regular next season?
That question will be answered [in] Season 4. We always had a plan for this guy. We always knew that it was a bigger story than would fit into one season. There’s still a lot more to be done with this guy. We’ve known from the very first minute of Season 3 that we would be keeping the Governor around for a while.

TVLINE | Will the prison remain the primary set piece in Season 4?
There’s always going to be new locations and new places to discover and explore. I don’t want to reveal too much; Season 4 is still five months away. But I will say that as we see at the end of Season 3 we’re definitely going to start Season 4 at the prison. We may be there the whole season and we may not be… But there are going to be some big differences from Season 3.

 

[Kraft...]

The Gov surviving will provide a level of tension throughout all future seasons as long as we know he's out there. There are bunch of different scenarios they could use to reintroduce him. Adds a new element

 

[Copeman]

Does AMC treat this show differently regarding commercials? The amount of commercials are insane. They do the show for 2-3 minutes, then a commercial break for 5 minutes, rinse and repeat. Makes me want to skip the season and just wait and watch it on netflix or something...

 

[Mario Kart]

The first 8 episodes of next season are mapped out for us. The Gov bites it at the end of those episodes but in doing so probably finds someway to demolish the prison and make it uninhabitable for everyone.

Rick and crew should have those trucks and equipment that Woodbury left behind. They would be dumb to not go back and loot the place clean of anything usable. This will help supply the prison for a brief time.

From season 2 to season 3 there was a fast forward... like ~8 months or so and I expect a similar amount of time to pass when we pick up the story in season 4. I can't wait for it because this finale was a good piece of the bigger puzzle. Left some things in the air and closed out the Woodbury story just fine. Most of the militants are dead, the people are at the prison and Woodbury will be overrun.

 

[Disco Stu]

The first 8 episodes of next season are mapped out for us. The Gov bites it at the end of those episodes but in doing so probably finds someway to demolish the prison and make it uninhabitable for everyone.

Rick and crew should have those trucks and equipment that Woodbury left behind. They would be dumb to not go back and loot the place clean of anything usable. This will help supply the prison for a brief time.

From season 2 to season 3 there was a fast forward... like ~8 months or so and I expect a similar amount of time to pass when we pick up the story in season 4. I can't wait for it because this finale was a good piece of the bigger puzzle. Left some things in the air and closed out the Woodbury story just fine. Most of the militants are dead, the people are at the prison and Woodbury will be overrun.

Perfect amount of time to grow a garden.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

How about season 4 introduces a whole new group of survivors somehwere else in the country, and follows them for awhile..

That would actually be cool...Maybe in a colder climate?

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

This series could've been so great if it wasn't so strongly based on a lame comic book.

The series is dead, time to bury it. As long as comic nerd Kirkman is calling the shots, I doubt it has any chance of coming back from the grave.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

This series could've been so great if it wasn't so strongly based on a lame comic book.The series is dead, time to bury it. As long as comic nerd Kirkman is calling the shots, I doubt it has any chance of coming back from the grave.

But you're still here

 

[The Ref]

How about season 4 introduces a whole new group of survivors somehwere else in the country, and follows them for awhile..

Reading this "preview" seems they plan on moving onto the "rebuilding of Civilization" phase, or at least the beginning of it. Haven't had a chance to watch the video yet..

Excellent. This is where season 3 should have gone. They left the farm, they found the prison and they were going to start to farm. Not only were zombies marginalized in season 3, but so was the need for Food, Water, Gas medical.... These were real issues before season 3. How about fixing up the prison and start to talk about "the need for babies". Get a farm up and running. Darryl finds a helicopter but gas is running out, but one of the woodburry people knows how to fly one.

 

[flapgreen]

Rick is planning to repopulate the earth with his seed. Karen>hey

 

[bigbottom]

TVLINE | Why did Rick bring the Woodbury residents to the prison instead of relocating the prison folks to Woodbury?The Governor is still out there. He’s already killed a great number of people from Woodbury. And I think they were able to repel him at the prison, so moving into Woodbury and setting up shop in his backyard – a place he’s very familiar with — would be very dangerous for Rick. They see the prison as something that is much more easily defended than Woodbury. They were able to get into Woodbury easily themselves. The Woodbury defenses are very effective against zombies, but not very effective against humans. They see it as much more of a defensible position.

This makes perfect sense.

 

[packersfan]

Rick is planning to repopulate the earth with his seed.Karen>hey

Beth has dibs on Rick first.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

This series could've been so great if it wasn't so strongly based on a lame comic book.The series is dead, time to bury it. As long as comic nerd Kirkman is calling the shots, I doubt it has any chance of coming back from the grave.

But you're still here

Sorry, was this thread only for people who were happy with Season 3? I must've been confused by the pages of posts by people with the same complaints I had. Please accept my apology.

 

[packersfan]

TVLINE | Why did Rick bring the Woodbury residents to the prison instead of relocating the prison folks to Woodbury?The Governor is still out there. He’s already killed a great number of people from Woodbury. And I think they were able to repel him at the prison, so moving into Woodbury and setting up shop in his backyard – a place he’s very familiar with — would be very dangerous for Rick. They see the prison as something that is much more easily defended than Woodbury. They were able to get into Woodbury easily themselves. The Woodbury defenses are very effective against zombies, but not very effective against humans. They see it as much more of a defensible position.

This makes perfect sense.

Big picture thinking. Now that Rick's right in the head again this has always been one of his strongest attributes as a leader.

 

[Disco Stu]

Rick is planning to repopulate the earth with his seed.Karen>hey

Beth has dibs on Rick first.

Cell Block D = harem

 

[(HULK)]

I get that the show isn't perfect. And I get people wanting to gripe. Thats fine. Some of the hyperbole though, take a step back imo. And if you're done watching the show, feel free to watch something else and post in the relevant thread. If you come in here just to hate on the show, I don't understand what you get out of that. At least be funny...

 

[gmbacm]

This series could've been so great if it wasn't so strongly based on a lame comic book.The series is dead, time to bury it. As long as comic nerd Kirkman is calling the shots, I doubt it has any chance of coming back from the grave.

But you're still here

Sorry, was this thread only for people who were happy with Season 3? I must've been confused by the pages of posts by people with the same complaints I had. Please accept my apology.

Apology accepted.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

This series could've been so great if it wasn't so strongly based on a lame comic book.The series is dead, time to bury it. As long as comic nerd Kirkman is calling the shots, I doubt it has any chance of coming back from the grave.

But you're still here

Sorry, was this thread only for people who were happy with Season 3? I must've been confused by the pages of posts by people with the same complaints I had. Please accept my apology.

I agree. I always watch hours of TV I'm not happy with...its fun!

 

[Buckna]

TVLINE | Why did Rick bring the Woodbury residents to the prison instead of relocating the prison folks to Woodbury?The Governor is still out there. He’s already killed a great number of people from Woodbury. And I think they were able to repel him at the prison, so moving into Woodbury and setting up shop in his backyard – a place he’s very familiar with — would be very dangerous for Rick. They see the prison as something that is much more easily defended than Woodbury. They were able to get into Woodbury easily themselves. The Woodbury defenses are very effective against zombies, but not very effective against humans. They see it as much more of a defensible position.

This makes perfect sense.

Big picture thinking. Now that Rick's right in the head again this has always been one of his strongest attributes as a leader.

A good explanation, I wish they had just put some of it into the show. Maybe they will at the start of next season. As someone else said, it does feel like this was a 90 minute episode that they cut down to 60. I think there's probably some stuff on the editing room floor that would have tied things together a little neater.

For example, would have liked to have seen something like when the sirens go off and the flashbangs go out, Michone cuts the head off the nearest Woodbury person and Darryl sticks a few crossbow bolts thru people's eyes. Now THAT would have been something to make people turn tail and run!

 

[snogger]

This series could've been so great if it wasn't so strongly based on a lame comic book.

The series is dead, time to bury it. As long as comic nerd Kirkman is calling the shots, I doubt it has any chance of coming back from the grave.

But you're still here

Sorry, was this thread only for people who were happy with Season 3? I must've been confused by the pages of posts by people with the same complaints I had. Please accept my apology.

Well you did say:

The series is dead, time to bury it. As long as comic nerd Kirkman is calling the shots, I doubt it has any chance of coming back from the grave.

So I am assuming that if it is Dead then there is no need to return to the thread.. correct?

Or do you have so much extra time on your hands that you will not only watch a hour long show that is "dead" but then have enough left over to come into a thread to discuss a show that is dead to you..

 

[flapgreen]

TVLINE | Why did Rick bring the Woodbury residents to the prison instead of relocating the prison folks to Woodbury?The Governor is still out there. Hes already killed a great number of people from Woodbury. And I think they were able to repel him at the prison, so moving into Woodbury and setting up shop in his backyard a place hes very familiar with would be very dangerous for Rick. They see the prison as something that is much more easily defended than Woodbury. They were able to get into Woodbury easily themselves. The Woodbury defenses are very effective against zombies, but not very effective against humans. They see it as much more of a defensible position.

This makes perfect sense.

Big picture thinking. Now that Rick's right in the head again this has always been one of his strongest attributes as a leader.

A good explanation, I wish they had just put some of it into the show. Maybe they will at the start of next season. As someone else said, it does feel like this was a 90 minute episode that they cut down to 60. I think there's probably some stuff on the editing room floor that would have tied things together a little neater. For example, would have liked to have seen something like when the sirens go off and the flashbangs go out, Michone cuts the head off the nearest Woodbury person and Darryl sticks a few crossbow bolts thru people's eyes. Now THAT would have been something to make people turn tail and run!

What, noises and sirens aren't enough to run a group of heavily armed vigilantes with grenade launchers and huge machine guns away? They were LOUD sirens.

 

[shadyridr]

TVLINE | Why did Rick bring the Woodbury residents to the prison instead of relocating the prison folks to Woodbury?The Governor is still out there. He’s already killed a great number of people from Woodbury. And I think they were able to repel him at the prison, so moving into Woodbury and setting up shop in his backyard – a place he’s very familiar with — would be very dangerous for Rick. They see the prison as something that is much more easily defended than Woodbury. They were able to get into Woodbury easily themselves. The Woodbury defenses are very effective against zombies, but not very effective against humans. They see it as much more of a defensible position.

This makes perfect sense.

Agreed. That was my one complaint about the finale that I will admit I was wrong about

 

[packersfan]

TVLINE | Why did Rick bring the Woodbury residents to the prison instead of relocating the prison folks to Woodbury?The Governor is still out there. He’s already killed a great number of people from Woodbury. And I think they were able to repel him at the prison, so moving into Woodbury and setting up shop in his backyard – a place he’s very familiar with — would be very dangerous for Rick. They see the prison as something that is much more easily defended than Woodbury. They were able to get into Woodbury easily themselves. The Woodbury defenses are very effective against zombies, but not very effective against humans. They see it as much more of a defensible position.

This makes perfect sense.

Big picture thinking. Now that Rick's right in the head again this has always been one of his strongest attributes as a leader.

A good explanation, I wish they had just put some of it into the show.

As far as Rick's big-picture thinking they did. That was the thrust of the speech he gave.

I'm with you on wanting more action during the prison attack. As I said earlier, that was the weakest aspect of the episode for me. It was disappointing that they built and built and built toward what we expected to be an explosive confrontation and essentially gave us next to nothing.

 

[cstu]

The first 8 episodes of next season are mapped out for us. The Gov bites it at the end of those episodes but in doing so probably finds someway to demolish the prison and make it uninhabitable for everyone.

Rick and crew should have those trucks and equipment that Woodbury left behind. They would be dumb to not go back and loot the place clean of anything usable. This will help supply the prison for a brief time.

From season 2 to season 3 there was a fast forward... like ~8 months or so and I expect a similar amount of time to pass when we pick up the story in season 4. I can't wait for it because this finale was a good piece of the bigger puzzle. Left some things in the air and closed out the Woodbury story just fine. Most of the militants are dead, the people are at the prison and Woodbury will be overrun.

I'm really not excited about another season of battling the Governor.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

What Sutter didn't realize is that all that already happened with Mazzara's back half of S3, which hadn't aired yet when he made those comments.

Mazzara is basically Larry Coker. He was able to leach off of what Daranbont built up for a little while but eventually his poor ability to run things shown through and things took a big turn for the worse.

we started with:

Known ForThe Shawshank Redemption (1994)

The Green Mile (1999)

moved on to:

The Shield

and have now arrived at:

Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (2011)

 

[packersfan]

The first 8 episodes of next season are mapped out for us. The Gov bites it at the end of those episodes but in doing so probably finds someway to demolish the prison and make it uninhabitable for everyone.

Rick and crew should have those trucks and equipment that Woodbury left behind. They would be dumb to not go back and loot the place clean of anything usable. This will help supply the prison for a brief time.

From season 2 to season 3 there was a fast forward... like ~8 months or so and I expect a similar amount of time to pass when we pick up the story in season 4. I can't wait for it because this finale was a good piece of the bigger puzzle. Left some things in the air and closed out the Woodbury story just fine. Most of the militants are dead, the people are at the prison and Woodbury will be overrun.

I'm really not excited about another season of battling the Governor.

I'll be surprised if that's the entire focus of Season 4.