***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (3 Viewers)

[Billy Bats]

I think that Shane could and would have shot zombie Sophia. He didn't immediately because she had been a part of their group and it perhaps wasn't his place to be the one to do it unless others passed the duty off to him. But I have no doubt he would have done the job.

He looked frozen in place to me. I don't think he could do it.

I thought it was pretty weak that tough guy Shane didn't pull the trigger. What a ##### afterall. Dude didn't even want to continue searching for the kid, now all a sudden he gets emotional and can't end her? #####. What it actually did though is back up Rick's speech to Herschel, that they're not people and they had to be taken out. Rick felt bad about doing it to Herschel's family/friends but backed up his own talk by taking out one of his own. Why was old man hiding the guns? Was that all his doing or did someone suggest it to him?

 

[boubucarow]

I think that Shane could and would have shot zombie Sophia. He didn't immediately because she had been a part of their group and it perhaps wasn't his place to be the one to do it unless others passed the duty off to him. But I have no doubt he would have done the job.

He looked frozen in place to me. I don't think he could do it.

I thought it was pretty weak that tough guy Shane didn't pull the trigger. What a ##### afterall. Dude didn't even want to continue searching for the kid, now all a sudden he gets emotional and can't end her? #####. What it actually did though is back up Rick's speech to Herschel, that they're not people and they had to be taken out. Rick felt bad about doing it to Herschel's family/friends but backed up his own talk by taking out one of his own. Why was old man hiding the guns? Was that all his doing or did someone suggest it to him?

It was the old mans own idea. As for Sophia, I would guess that Shane couldn't do it since he was so forceful on abandoning the search. He still is concerned with how others see him.Of course for those defending Shane, he did have Rick in the cross hairs, wished he was dead, and tried to force himself on Lori at the CDC.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

- seems like most people see Shane as the loose cannon/bad guy, but count me in the camp that thinks he's one of the more rational thinkers in the crew. in a zombie apocalypse, you can't take ####### chances.

- when Rick left Sophia alone, he basically killed her in that moment. I wonder if that will be explored. I can see Buzzcut Mom holding a grudge.

- Farmer Girl was said when everyone in the barn got killed, but you could see when she gave the gun to Shorty, she understands now. the people that they knew are gone. curious to see how Herschel feels now.

 

[cstu]

I think that Shane could and would have shot zombie Sophia. He didn't immediately because she had been a part of their group and it perhaps wasn't his place to be the one to do it unless others passed the duty off to him. But I have no doubt he would have done the job.

He looked frozen in place to me. I don't think he could do it.

I thought it was pretty weak that tough guy Shane didn't pull the trigger. What a ##### afterall. Dude didn't even want to continue searching for the kid, now all a sudden he gets emotional and can't end her? #####. What it actually did though is back up Rick's speech to Herschel, that they're not people and they had to be taken out. Rick felt bad about doing it to Herschel's family/friends but backed up his own talk by taking out one of his own. Why was old man hiding the guns? Was that all his doing or did someone suggest it to him?

- I think Shane actually felt some guilt there.- Agreed.- Dale is psychic so he knew Shane was going to come get the guns to take out the barn walkers.

 

[Worm]

I dont think anyone froze. I think Rick, for multiple reasons, felt it was his responsibility to do it.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I dont think anyone froze. I think Rick, for multiple reasons, felt it was his responsibility to do it.

Didn't freeze?Take a look at all of them. They're frozen with fear, confusion, and knowing that they can't bring themselves to kill a little girl AND one of their own.Rick showed he was a leader. He had shot a little girl before so he knew what had to be doneI'm in the camp in that I like Shane also.F! Hershel saying "my farm, my rules" What is he going to do if you tell him to go to hell?He was 100% right. Pop three in the "sick person" as Hershel calls them and they still walk? And you want to bring more in?After that zombie slaughter Shane should walk up to Hershel and say "My farm, my rules"

 

[SacramentoBob]

Well now that they've found Sophia.

Forgot to mention this. I don't think he had one line last night. Probably one or two max the week before. We all know what happens to black guys in horror movies though.

 

[SacramentoBob]

You know what else sucks? Every time Mrs. Crewcut sees a Cherokee rose she's going to get all sad and stuff.

Be nice to Jamie Lee Curtis.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).

[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

You know, all season long that old bible thumper guy kept saying, "My farm, my rules!" - Well, it was his farm BEFORE the zombie apocalypse. Now it just belongs to whoever wants it enough to take it. If I were Shane, I think that's exactly what I'd do next season.

I agree somewhat. Shane's way of thinking assists the group survive. Reason and compromise are good for most occasions but violence and self survival are needed at others. How individuals find a mix that they are comfortable with is a part of each person and group's being.The decision to kill the walkers in the barn was the right one to assure the safety of everyone including Herscel's group. But in doing so Shane was going against Rick's leadership and Herschel. However. it will be difficult for Herscel's group and Rick's to co=exist now. Hershel's group are non-violent and found a non-violent way to deal with the problem. They've been fortunate to only be dealing with zombie stragglers as opposed to a mass/herd in which they would be overrun easily.

Genetically I think people have variances in their anti'social and cooperative traits.

Otis was part of Herschel's group and had no problems shooting zombies at the school when getting the supplies. Herschel just had hope for a cure.

That one chick didn't have a problem going Genghis Khan from horseback either.

 

[boubucarow]

I dont think anyone froze. I think Rick, for multiple reasons, felt it was his responsibility to do it.

That is the main point. Even after Shane takes over because he alone is capable of doing what needs to be done, he freezes. Shane can't. Rick is the leader for a reason.

 

[SacramentoBob]

F! Hershel saying "my farm, my rules" What is he going to do if you tell him to go to hell?After that zombie slaughter Shane should walk up to Hershel and say "My farm, my rules"

I don't see why people are getting all up in arms about Hershel saying this. Part of the story is how people act after an event of this magnitude. Hershel and his group are naive because they've been isolated from most of the carnage. Of course he knows someone can just come in and take all his stuff, but he's clinging to his faith and his sense of pre zombie social order. Others will take more of a might makes right stance. Right now the group is in conflict about how to best survive. They were starting to live someone comfortably on the farm, but Shane just bit the apple and offered it to the rest.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

F! Hershel saying "my farm, my rules" What is he going to do if you tell him to go to hell?After that zombie slaughter Shane should walk up to Hershel and say "My farm, my rules"

I don't see why people are getting all up in arms about Hershel saying this. Part of the story is how people act after an event of this magnitude. Hershel and his group are naive because they've been isolated from most of the carnage. Of course he knows someone can just come in and take all his stuff, but he's clinging to his faith and his sense of pre zombie social order. Others will take more of a might makes right stance. Right now the group is in conflict about how to best survive. They were starting to live someone comfortably on the farm, but Shane just bit the apple and offered it to the rest.

Did Hershel get what was going on in the real world when that bartender zombie took three and still was walking? What about the second set of shots to the lungs and heart and she still wasn't down? And he knows that they eat living things and he wants more brought in to the barn? F! him. For what? A cure? His ### will be dead soon seeing as he is old. I'm taking over this farm. Screw you Hershel.Seeing as Maggie is on board for the zombie slaughter, he doesn't have anyone supporting him now.Wanna stay? Fine.Wanna go find another farm? Go ahead...but leave the guns and take Dale with you.

 

[pantherclub]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).

[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

You know, all season long that old bible thumper guy kept saying, "My farm, my rules!" - Well, it was his farm BEFORE the zombie apocalypse. Now it just belongs to whoever wants it enough to take it. If I were Shane, I think that's exactly what I'd do next season.

I agree somewhat. Shane's way of thinking assists the group survive. Reason and compromise are good for most occasions but violence and self survival are needed at others. How individuals find a mix that they are comfortable with is a part of each person and group's being.The decision to kill the walkers in the barn was the right one to assure the safety of everyone including Herscel's group. But in doing so Shane was going against Rick's leadership and Herschel. However. it will be difficult for Herscel's group and Rick's to co=exist now. Hershel's group are non-violent and found a non-violent way to deal with the problem. They've been fortunate to only be dealing with zombie stragglers as opposed to a mass/herd in which they would be overrun easily.

Genetically I think people have variances in their anti'social and cooperative traits.

Otis was part of Herschel's group and had no problems shooting zombies at the school when getting the supplies. Herschel just had hope for a cure.

That one chick didn't have a problem going Genghis Khan from horseback either.

Good point, that seems to be another brain fart from the writers

 

[cstu]

F! Hershel saying "my farm, my rules" What is he going to do if you tell him to go to hell?After that zombie slaughter Shane should walk up to Hershel and say "My farm, my rules"

I don't see why people are getting all up in arms about Hershel saying this. Part of the story is how people act after an event of this magnitude. Hershel and his group are naive because they've been isolated from most of the carnage. Of course he knows someone can just come in and take all his stuff, but he's clinging to his faith and his sense of pre zombie social order. Others will take more of a might makes right stance. Right now the group is in conflict about how to best survive. They were starting to live someone comfortably on the farm, but Shane just bit the apple and offered it to the rest.

Did Hershel get what was going on in the real world when that bartender zombie took three and still was walking? What about the second set of shots to the lungs and heart and she still wasn't down? And he knows that they eat living things and he wants more brought in to the barn? F! him. For what? A cure? His ### will be dead soon seeing as he is old. I'm taking over this farm. Screw you Hershel.Seeing as Maggie is on board for the zombie slaughter, he doesn't have anyone supporting him now.Wanna stay? Fine.Wanna go find another farm? Go ahead...but leave the guns and take Dale with you.

My wife didn't like my plan of taking Hershel to visit his family in the barn but it seemed like the perfect solution to me.

 

[badmojo1006]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).

[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

You know, all season long that old bible thumper guy kept saying, "My farm, my rules!" - Well, it was his farm BEFORE the zombie apocalypse. Now it just belongs to whoever wants it enough to take it. If I were Shane, I think that's exactly what I'd do next season.

I agree somewhat. Shane's way of thinking assists the group survive. Reason and compromise are good for most occasions but violence and self survival are needed at others. How individuals find a mix that they are comfortable with is a part of each person and group's being.The decision to kill the walkers in the barn was the right one to assure the safety of everyone including Herscel's group. But in doing so Shane was going against Rick's leadership and Herschel. However. it will be difficult for Herscel's group and Rick's to co=exist now. Hershel's group are non-violent and found a non-violent way to deal with the problem. They've been fortunate to only be dealing with zombie stragglers as opposed to a mass/herd in which they would be overrun easily.

Genetically I think people have variances in their anti'social and cooperative traits.

Otis was part of Herschel's group and had no problems shooting zombies at the school when getting the supplies. Herschel just had hope for a cure.

That one chick didn't have a problem going Genghis Khan from horseback either.

I forgot about that

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Maybe someone tries to hide they got bit.

No thanks. Is there anything MORE cliche in Zombie fiction?

 

[SacramentoBob]

Maybe someone tries to hide they got bit.

No thanks. Is there anything MORE cliche in Zombie fiction?

I'm shocked Daryl came out unscathed after having a walker munch on his boot.

 

[shadyridr]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).

[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

You know, all season long that old bible thumper guy kept saying, "My farm, my rules!" - Well, it was his farm BEFORE the zombie apocalypse. Now it just belongs to whoever wants it enough to take it. If I were Shane, I think that's exactly what I'd do next season.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Sophia Walking Dead

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).

[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

You know, all season long that old bible thumper guy kept saying, "My farm, my rules!" - Well, it was his farm BEFORE the zombie apocalypse. Now it just belongs to whoever wants it enough to take it. If I were Shane, I think that's exactly what I'd do next season.

I agree somewhat. Shane's way of thinking assists the group survive. Reason and compromise are good for most occasions but violence and self survival are needed at others. How individuals find a mix that they are comfortable with is a part of each person and group's being.The decision to kill the walkers in the barn was the right one to assure the safety of everyone including Herscel's group. But in doing so Shane was going against Rick's leadership and Herschel. However. it will be difficult for Herscel's group and Rick's to co=exist now. Hershel's group are non-violent and found a non-violent way to deal with the problem. They've been fortunate to only be dealing with zombie stragglers as opposed to a mass/herd in which they would be overrun easily.

Genetically I think people have variances in their anti'social and cooperative traits.

Otis was part of Herschel's group and had no problems shooting zombies at the school when getting the supplies. Herschel just had hope for a cure.

That one chick didn't have a problem going Genghis Khan from horseback either.

Good point, that seems to be another brain fart from the writers

if my writer you aer referring the poster here then yes.The writers of the show did not make an assertion that Herschel's clan was totally nonviolent.

Unless we have writers for the showing posting in the FFA.

 

[goonsquad]

Good episodeDale was right, thatthis is Slater's world. Slater and Zack have a good yin and yang. Zach goes too far off the deepend wit sacraficing and gambling for the good, while Slater, left to his own devices can be really hardcore alpha male. I can see that as cops, they must have made a good team. I can see Screech starting to grow a set now...no more being mere walker bait.

I don't see this schtick catching on.

 

[shuke]

Haven't read much of the thread lately because I was behind on episodes, but holy #### as this turned into a really good series.

 

[Borat]

At the end of the day, when the zombie apocalypse comes, me and everyone else in the Shane camp will survive and the rest of you will die. We will impregnate your wives and your families, shave our heads, beat up wife abusers, nail the blonde just to piss off the old man, your sons will come to us for advice, and we will shoot you in your legs and leave you for zombie bait. Bottom line.

 

[roadkill1292]

At the end of the day, when the zombie apocalypse comes, me and everyone else in the Shane camp will survive and the rest of you will die. We will impregnate your wives and your families, shave our heads, beat up wife abusers, nail the blonde just to piss off the old man, your sons will come to us for advice, and we will shoot you in your legs and leave you for zombie bait. Bottom line.

Short sighted approach. Your allies in the "Shane camp" will be the last ones you can trust. Better to align oneself with people who won't put a bullet in your back because of a simple disagreement.

 

[Worm]

I dont think anyone froze. I think Rick, for multiple reasons, felt it was his responsibility to do it.

Didn't freeze?Take a look at all of them. They're frozen with fear, confusion, and knowing that they can't bring themselves to kill a little girl AND one of their own.

Rick showed he was a leader. He had shot a little girl before so he knew what had to be done

I don't think so. They are obviously all shocked and distraught with the revelation. But it's not like she was charging the group and everyone else froze, forcing Rick to shoot her at the last minute. She slowly lumbered out of the barn and Rick stepped up before anyone else did, not because no one else couldn't. He took one for the team because that's what a leader should do. He didn't shoot her because others were incapable.

 

[shadyridr]

Haven't read much of the thread lately because I was behind on episodes, but holy #### as this turned into a really good series.

phenomenal episode. glad I stuck around

 

[Jayrok]

I don't think Shane froze when the girl came out. I think it had more to do with the conversation Shane had with Rick's wife. He told her Rick wasn't equipped to live in this new world, much less lead the group.

Rick shooting the girl not only proved to his own group (especially Shane) that he is, after all, ready to live and lead them in this new world, and that he is ready to move on. He got closure on the girl because he felt it was his fault she got lost in the first place. But he also showed Hershel that he is prepared to treat walkers the same way, regardless of personal ties or affiliation with his group. Hershel viewed them as sick family members/friends. Rick had to shoot the girl, because if Shane had done it, the question of Rick's leadership would have remained an issue. But I have no doubt that Shane or Daryl would have shot the girl before she had a chance to hurt anyone else. But Rick needed to do it.

 

[boubucarow]

I don't think Shane froze when the girl came out. I think it had more to do with the conversation Shane had with Rick's wife. He told her Rick wasn't equipped to live in this new world, much less lead the group. Rick shooting the girl not only proved to his own group (especially Shane) that he is, after all, ready to live and lead them in this new world, and that he is ready to move on. He got closure on the girl because he felt it was his fault she got lost in the first place. But he also showed Hershel that he is prepared to treat walkers the same way, regardless of personal ties or affiliation with his group. Hershel viewed them as sick family members/friends. Rick had to shoot the girl, because if Shane had done it, the question of Rick's leadership would have remained an issue. But I have no doubt that Shane or Daryl would have shot the girl before she had a chance to hurt anyone else. But Rick needed to do it.

The person that Shane professes to be, the person that is needed to survive their environment, and the person that Rick is incapable of being would have shot zombie Sophie in a split second just like all the rest of them. There was no purpose in allowing her to "live" for even a second longer except that everyone hesitated to pull the trigger. And everyone additional second she was "alive" would increase the torture for the group. It wasn't until Shane and everyone else hesitated that Rick stepped up to do what needed to be done. If you are implying that Shane hesitated solely so Rick could affirm his leadership, I don't see that at all.

 

[Jayrok]

I think a telling part of that scene was when Rick shouted for Hershel to grab the stick. He pleaded with him to grab it so that he could stop Shane from opening that barn. Hershel just stood there. Shane shot the woman, but that wasn't Hershel's wife. His wife was in that barn. He could have stopped Shane by allowing Rick to stop him. But he didn't. Earlier in the episode, or maybe it was last week, he said he had done what he could for his group, and that "his" conscience was "clear". It could be that Hershel realized they were really dead after Shane pumped the woman with 4 or 5 to her chest. Even if Hershel held out for a "cure", she would never survive the damage of those bullets.

He realized they were dead, and deep down he wanted them all to be put down... but not by his hand. By not helping Rick with the pole, it enabled Shane to put everyone down. Hershel kept a clear conscience, and his ordeal with his family members was finally over.

Regardless of the writers' intent with this episode, I thought it was great. Enabling different interpretations of scenes like that keeps people talking about the show. Excellent episode.

 

[bushdocda]

I should have seen that coming. It was either really predictable or really great.Nobody is safe around Shane and Andrea from here on out.

You knew she was in the barn from the look on Hershcalls face. I hope they use that angle in the next season.

Yeah the last scene was hardcore. Only thing I would have changed would have been Carl coming up to shoot Sophia instead of Rick

What I got from this was that Shane couldn't do it. Neither could anyone else in the group.They had been looking for Sophia because they were forced to and they wanted to since she was part of the group.But in the end, when the zombie slaughter took place, nobody could bring them self to shoot Sophia except the one person who was the leader. RickTo me this was showing that killing any old zombie is easy, killing a zombie that was one of your own isn't. Shane can be the badass but when the difficult decision has to be made, he couldn't do it. Rick could.

I saw it as Rick essentially buying in to the reality of what has been/is happening. i.e. Shane has been right. And LOL at the comment of Carl shooting Sophie, I would've falled out my couch if that happened.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

At the end of the day, when the zombie apocalypse comes, me and everyone else in the Shane camp will survive and the rest of you will die. We will impregnate your wives and your families, shave our heads, beat up wife abusers, nail the blonde just to piss off the old man, your sons will come to us for advice, and we will shoot you in your legs and leave you for zombie bait. Bottom line.

And I will pop you off from a distance with my sniper rifle. Just so we're clear.

 

[Jayrok]

I don't think Shane froze when the girl came out. I think it had more to do with the conversation Shane had with Rick's wife. He told her Rick wasn't equipped to live in this new world, much less lead the group. Rick shooting the girl not only proved to his own group (especially Shane) that he is, after all, ready to live and lead them in this new world, and that he is ready to move on. He got closure on the girl because he felt it was his fault she got lost in the first place. But he also showed Hershel that he is prepared to treat walkers the same way, regardless of personal ties or affiliation with his group. Hershel viewed them as sick family members/friends. Rick had to shoot the girl, because if Shane had done it, the question of Rick's leadership would have remained an issue. But I have no doubt that Shane or Daryl would have shot the girl before she had a chance to hurt anyone else. But Rick needed to do it.

The person that Shane professes to be, the person that is needed to survive their environment, and the person that Rick is incapable of being would have shot zombie Sophie in a split second just like all the rest of them. There was no purpose in allowing her to "live" for even a second longer except that everyone hesitated to pull the trigger. And everyone additional second she was "alive" would increase the torture for the group. It wasn't until Shane and everyone else hesitated that Rick stepped up to do what needed to be done. If you are implying that Shane hesitated solely so Rick could affirm his leadership, I don't see that at all.

I'm not saying that Shane turned to look at Rick as if to say "your call". But I believe it was written to allow Rick to step up and make the call. As far as Shane, I don't think he ducked away from shooting her. If he had shot her the second she came out, it wouldn't have made for a season ending scene. I guess I'm saying that I don't believe the writer's intent was to show that Shane was all talk and no action, but more that Rick was the only person in that group that had to shoot the girl.

 

[shuke]

I don't think Shane froze when the girl came out. I think it had more to do with the conversation Shane had with Rick's wife. He told her Rick wasn't equipped to live in this new world, much less lead the group. Rick shooting the girl not only proved to his own group (especially Shane) that he is, after all, ready to live and lead them in this new world, and that he is ready to move on. He got closure on the girl because he felt it was his fault she got lost in the first place. But he also showed Hershel that he is prepared to treat walkers the same way, regardless of personal ties or affiliation with his group. Hershel viewed them as sick family members/friends. Rick had to shoot the girl, because if Shane had done it, the question of Rick's leadership would have remained an issue. But I have no doubt that Shane or Daryl would have shot the girl before she had a chance to hurt anyone else. But Rick needed to do it.

The person that Shane professes to be, the person that is needed to survive their environment, and the person that Rick is incapable of being would have shot zombie Sophie in a split second just like all the rest of them. There was no purpose in allowing her to "live" for even a second longer except that everyone hesitated to pull the trigger. And everyone additional second she was "alive" would increase the torture for the group. It wasn't until Shane and everyone else hesitated that Rick stepped up to do what needed to be done. If you are implying that Shane hesitated solely so Rick could affirm his leadership, I don't see that at all.

 

[Worm]

Link to the barn scene

Man, what a great finish to an episode.

 

[Witz]

Link to the barn scene

Man, what a great finish to an episode.

The video of the making of that scene is a pretty interesting view:Making of Barn Scene

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I should have seen that coming. It was either really predictable or really great.

Nobody is safe around Shane and Andrea from here on out.

You knew she was in the barn from the look on Hershcalls face. I hope they use that angle in the next season.

Yeah the last scene was hardcore. Only thing I would have changed would have been Carl coming up to shoot Sophia instead of Rick

What I got from this was that Shane couldn't do it. Neither could anyone else in the group.They had been looking for Sophia because they were forced to and they wanted to since she was part of the group.

But in the end, when the zombie slaughter took place, nobody could bring them self to shoot Sophia except the one person who was the leader. Rick

To me this was showing that killing any old zombie is easy, killing a zombie that was one of your own isn't.

Shane can be the badass but when the difficult decision has to be made, he couldn't do it. Rick could.

I saw it as Rick essentially buying in to the reality of what has been/is happening. i.e. Shane has been right. And LOL at the comment of Carl shooting Sophie, I would've falled out my couch if that happened.

If you read the comic, you wouldn't 'lol' at Carl shooting anyone.

 

[The Doctor]

im on s2 ep 3

just wanted to chime in - i cant stand the main character and his stupid hat

and i cant stand his wife who thinks shes the queen of the survivors. someone needs to call her out on her whorish ways and someone needs to kick rick in the sack

also getting tired of the old man in the survivor group- all he does it provide some crappy one liners with horrible expressions. bad acting

and to the stupid girl that ran off- oh well!! if the mom wants to stay and look so be it - time to move on

that is all

 

[packersfan]

I think Shane and everyone else absolutely froze. They were unable to pull the trigger and kill someone they knew, especially a little girl. Rick knew what had to be done and did it. He assumed the responsibility that no one else was willing to assume. Not Shane. Not Daryl. Not Andrea. No one else.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Great episode. Can't wait until Feb.

Also, haven't read this whole thread, but I'm calling dibs on Maggie. Glenn can EAD.

Lauren Cohan

 

[The Doctor]

Great episode. Can't wait until Feb.

Also, haven't read this whole thread, but I'm calling dibs on Maggie. Glenn can EAD.

Lauren Cohan

is she the one with the country accent they meet at that farmhouse?

 

[Clayton Gray]

I think Shane and everyone else absolutely froze. They were unable to pull the trigger and kill someone they knew, especially a little girl. Rick knew what had to be done and did it. He assumed the responsibility that no one else was willing to assume. Not Shane. Not Daryl. Not Andrea. No one else.

Agreed.

 

[Sconch]

I'm going to go with the theory that Rick was getting back at Sophia for making the group look for her.

 

[phishphan]

Great episode. Can't wait until Feb.

Also, haven't read this whole thread, but I'm calling dibs on Maggie. Glenn can EAD.

Lauren Cohan

 

[phishphan]

I'm going to go with the theory that Rick was getting back at Sophia for making the group look for her.

I think T-Dog is the sleeper terrorist

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Great episode. Can't wait until Feb.

Also, haven't read this whole thread, but I'm calling dibs on Maggie. Glenn can EAD.

Lauren Cohan

is she the one with the country accent they meet at that farmhouse?

The one that's been a recurring character in all 6 episodes of season 2 of The Walking Dead, the Drama on AMC?

Yeah, her.

 

[boubucarow]

I don't think Shane froze when the girl came out. I think it had more to do with the conversation Shane had with Rick's wife. He told her Rick wasn't equipped to live in this new world, much less lead the group. Rick shooting the girl not only proved to his own group (especially Shane) that he is, after all, ready to live and lead them in this new world, and that he is ready to move on. He got closure on the girl because he felt it was his fault she got lost in the first place. But he also showed Hershel that he is prepared to treat walkers the same way, regardless of personal ties or affiliation with his group. Hershel viewed them as sick family members/friends. Rick had to shoot the girl, because if Shane had done it, the question of Rick's leadership would have remained an issue. But I have no doubt that Shane or Daryl would have shot the girl before she had a chance to hurt anyone else. But Rick needed to do it.

The person that Shane professes to be, the person that is needed to survive their environment, and the person that Rick is incapable of being would have shot zombie Sophie in a split second just like all the rest of them. There was no purpose in allowing her to "live" for even a second longer except that everyone hesitated to pull the trigger. And everyone additional second she was "alive" would increase the torture for the group. It wasn't until Shane and everyone else hesitated that Rick stepped up to do what needed to be done. If you are implying that Shane hesitated solely so Rick could affirm his leadership, I don't see that at all.

I'm not saying that Shane turned to look at Rick as if to say "your call". But I believe it was written to allow Rick to step up and make the call. As far as Shane, I don't think he ducked away from shooting her. If he had shot her the second she came out, it wouldn't have made for a season ending scene. I guess I'm saying that I don't believe the writer's intent was to show that Shane was all talk and no action, but more that Rick was the only person in that group that had to shoot the girl.

I agree that it was written to allow Rick to step up. But I also think that Shane building up to take over the leadership role during the entire episode was a set up for him to fail as that leader. The scene was as much about Shane as it was Rick.

 

[kentric]

Best episode to date. Seems the show is getting better as it goes along. I fall in the "surprised about Sophie" crew. It will make a nice story line for the next episode. Did Hershel know she was in there. If so, I can see Shane being awefully pissed off that the old man knew it and still let the others go out searching for Sophie and risking their lives.

I don't read too much in Shane not taking out Sophie. To me Sophie didn't look too bad. She was easily recogniseable and wasn't chewed up at all. It looks like they just took a step back seeing her and she sure as hell didn't appear to eager to get lunch. I mean, I've seen zombies with no legs move faster than her.

 

[pollardsvision]

I get that everyone seems to have come around on Shane. That's fine.

However, just because the girl was in the barn doesn't mean Shane was right to want to give up the search and leave. Searching for the girl was the right thing to do. Searching for her was more or less the same level of danger as travelling to Fort Benning. Probably much less so. The only "danger" from the woods came from living humans doing stupid things with guns.

No zombie packs in the woods around the farm.

Daryl got attacked, but still he was by himself and survived. That's not possible in the places they've been.

Hell, they were shooting guns for fun with no fear of it attracting a pack of zombies. Again, not possible anywhere else they were going.

Had Otis not put the girl in the barn, they certainly would've found her. Nobody (except Herschel and Family) could've known that. That hindsight doesn't mean looking for her wasn't the right thing to do.

The entire notion of giving up the search and being in such a hurry to go wandering out into the apocalypse is every bit as dumb as hiding the guns in a swamp.

 

[Sconch]

I'm going to go with the theory that Rick was getting back at Sophia for making the group look for her.

I think T-Dog is the sleeper terrorist

Rothstein isn't going to let that happen. Not with the Commodore still alive.

 

[packersfan]

The entire notion of giving up the search and being in such a hurry to go wandering out into the apocalypse is every bit as dumb as hiding the guns in a swamp.

Kirkman said in an interview this week that he wants the characters to screw up because that makes things feel more real and I agree. It's even more compelling when we see the consequences for these mistakes - as we saw with Rick and Sophia. At this point, Rick is the only one with the entire group's best interests in mind. That's what makes him the best choice to be the leader. He isn't going to always make the right decisions (case in point, Sophia) but he's been the only one willing to put his own self-interests in the background if need be right from the outset. Shane clearly isn't. Daryl's coming around to that point of view but even he's grappling with that change internally.