I agreeShane gets by as with intimidation and Rick is one who won't be intimidated. Daryl isn't afraid either.I think Shane is afraid of Rick. The look on his face when Lori told him she told Rick (about the two of them bowchickabowbow) was priceless.
I don't think it's fear...I think it's the realization that she's a manipulating trick who has caused a scenario where either he kills his friend or vice versa.I think Shane is afraid of Rick. The look on his face when Lori told him she told Rick (about the two of them bowchickabowbow) was priceless.
The better question is who would you rather follow and stake your life on? The fatty who's survived untold trips into town, has limited medical knowledge, has corralled dozens of walkers and has a support community and a subsistence level living situation? Or a guy who pumps a round into the leg of someone who has risked their life to help save someone in your party? Follow a guy who has deluded himself into believing that Carl and Lori are/should be his, who lies and takes by force and decides who lives or dies based on how useful they are to his own goals, not the greater good? I'm going with the guy who doesn't shoot me in the leg so he can get away.What would you have done in the scenario as given above?Exactly. As soon as Shane sees no use to you, you're dead. Not the guy I'm staking my survival on.Me or you and your being overweight is a burden to our/my survival PLUS I need to get back to save a little boy that is almost family?BANG!It's only the way to survive if Shane doesn't decide to shoot you in the leg for what he decides is the greater good.Yep!I have a feeling that some people are gonna need his help when the #### hits the fan and they will have to bite the bullet and admit that Shane's way is the best way to surviveLike I said a few days ago, IMO Shane is one of the better characters on the show. Any scene he is in is good. If they decide to kill off his character I hope they bring on another character that is equally as fun to watch. And I think that time will be coming soon.
Please, for all that is good in the world, kill Glen and Dale though
sorry fat ###...
.........I don't see him taking out Rick. Dale can go though.Forget rehashing what he did to Otis. Think about him wanting to take out Rick and Dale and maybe Hershel, too, all to either rid himself of a critic or to take something they have. Think about the survivors tiring of Shane's tyranny in short order and wanting to leave -- he'll shoot whoever he thinks is the ringleader. Being willing to sacrifice anybody everybody so that he can survive is why you can't have Shane around for too long in a zombie apocalypse.What would you have done in the scenario as given above?Exactly. As soon as Shane sees no use to you, you're dead. Not the guy I'm staking my survival on.Me or you and your being overweight is a burden to our/my survival PLUS I need to get back to save a little boy that is almost family?BANG!It's only the way to survive if Shane doesn't decide to shoot you in the leg for what he decides is the greater good.Yep!I have a feeling that some people are gonna need his help when the #### hits the fan and they will have to bite the bullet and admit that Shane's way is the best way to surviveLike I said a few days ago, IMO Shane is one of the better characters on the show. Any scene he is in is good. If they decide to kill off his character I hope they bring on another character that is equally as fun to watch. And I think that time will be coming soon.
Please, for all that is good in the world, kill Glen and Dale though
sorry fat ###...
No you aren't...he's dead.The better question is who would you rather follow and stake your life on? The fatty who's survived untold trips into town, has limited medical knowledge, has corralled dozens of walkers and has a support community and a subsistence level living situation? Or a guy who pumps a round into the leg of someone who has risked their life to help save someone in your party? Follow a guy who has deluded himself into believing that Carl and Lori are/should be his, who lies and takes by force and decides who lives or dies based on how useful they are to his own goals, not the greater good? I'm going with the guy who doesn't shoot me in the leg so he can get away.What would you have done in the scenario as given above?Exactly. As soon as Shane sees no use to you, you're dead. Not the guy I'm staking my survival on.Me or you and your being overweight is a burden to our/my survival PLUS I need to get back to save a little boy that is almost family?BANG!It's only the way to survive if Shane doesn't decide to shoot you in the leg for what he decides is the greater good.Yep!I have a feeling that some people are gonna need his help when the #### hits the fan and they will have to bite the bullet and admit that Shane's way is the best way to surviveLike I said a few days ago, IMO Shane is one of the better characters on the show. Any scene he is in is good. If they decide to kill off his character I hope they bring on another character that is equally as fun to watch. And I think that time will be coming soon.
Please, for all that is good in the world, kill Glen and Dale though
sorry fat ###...
I don't stake my life on a family and friends holed up in a farm thinking that walkers are just "sick" and can be cured. After awhile...the farm is oursThe better question is who would you rather follow and stake your life on? The fatty who's survived untold trips into town, has limited medical knowledge, has corralled dozens of walkers and has a support community and a subsistence level living situation? Or a guy who pumps a round into the leg of someone who has risked their life to help save someone in your party? Follow a guy who has deluded himself into believing that Carl and Lori are/should be his, who lies and takes by force and decides who lives or dies based on how useful they are to his own goals, not the greater good? I'm going with the guy who doesn't shoot me in the leg so he can get away.What would you have done in the scenario as given above?Exactly. As soon as Shane sees no use to you, you're dead. Not the guy I'm staking my survival on.Me or you and your being overweight is a burden to our/my survival PLUS I need to get back to save a little boy that is almost family?BANG!It's only the way to survive if Shane doesn't decide to shoot you in the leg for what he decides is the greater good.Yep!I have a feeling that some people are gonna need his help when the #### hits the fan and they will have to bite the bullet and admit that Shane's way is the best way to surviveLike I said a few days ago, IMO Shane is one of the better characters on the show. Any scene he is in is good. If they decide to kill off his character I hope they bring on another character that is equally as fun to watch. And I think that time will be coming soon.
Please, for all that is good in the world, kill Glen and Dale though
sorry fat ###...
I think there's a lot of truth to that. The only people Shane cares about are Lori, Carl and himself. Everyone else is fair game. Yes he cares about Rick to an extent but Rick has everything Shane wants so if push came to shove I could see him trying to eliminate Rick as well. Last week on "The Talking Dead," Dave Navarro brought up a great point during the Shane/Carol scene. On the surface it looked like Shane was trying to comfort her after she just lost her daughter, washing her hands etc. But everything Shane said was about himself. There was no sense of empathy or caring or compassion in his words. It was all about defending himself.Forget rehashing what he did to Otis. Think about him wanting to take out Rick and Dale and maybe Hershel, too, all to either rid himself of a critic or to take something they have. Think about the survivors tiring of Shane's tyranny in short order and wanting to leave -- he'll shoot whoever he thinks is the ringleader. Being willing to sacrifice anybody everybody so that he can survive is why you can't have Shane around for too long in a zombie apocalypse.
In the previews for next week, it looks like they walked up to a large chain link gate. The prison??? Hope so.
question for the comic readers
Could someone who has read the comics explain the significance of the prison? You guys have been talking about it the whole thread. Can they leave once they get there? Please answer in spoiler. thanks
survival of the fittestIs there ever an apocalyptic movie/show where people actually, you know, band together rather than killing each other off? Seems to me if you were down to a handful of human survivors, you might want to do your best to actually keep them alive. You know, so the race can continue. But in every one of them, any time two groups meet, BLAM, gotta kill 'em! As few people that are seen in this show, I can't imagine food is that short supply that there simply isn't enough to go around. You got a whole world's worth of canned goods. I'm thinking one large group would tend to hold up better than disparate little bands all over the place.
question for the comic readers
Could someone who has read the comics explain the significance of the prison? You guys have been talking about it the whole thread. Can they leave once they get there? Please answer in spoiler. thanks
Why, when it could be survival of everyone, and the species?survival of the fittestIs there ever an apocalyptic movie/show where people actually, you know, band together rather than killing each other off? Seems to me if you were down to a handful of human survivors, you might want to do your best to actually keep them alive. You know, so the race can continue. But in every one of them, any time two groups meet, BLAM, gotta kill 'em! As few people that are seen in this show, I can't imagine food is that short supply that there simply isn't enough to go around. You got a whole world's worth of canned goods. I'm thinking one large group would tend to hold up better than disparate little bands all over the place.
In this scenario, I don't really care too much about the survival of the species. I care about the survival of myself and my family and close friends.Why, when it could be survival of everyone, and the species?
Wouldn't peaceful coexistence between survivors give you a much better chance of that happening?Look, I realize it makes for "good TV". But the whole premise seems rather silly. Yes, if there is a nucleur winter and food is in short supply, like after a giant meteor impact, then it might make sense. When it is zombies, and warehouses are likely sitting full of canned goods, etc, it just doesn't make sense to go around killing each other.In this scenario, I don't really care too much about the survival of the species. I care about the survival of myself and my family and close friends.Why, when it could be survival of everyone, and the species?
you wouldnt make it very longWhy, when it could be survival of everyone, and the species?survival of the fittestIs there ever an apocalyptic movie/show where people actually, you know, band together rather than killing each other off? Seems to me if you were down to a handful of human survivors, you might want to do your best to actually keep them alive. You know, so the race can continue. But in every one of them, any time two groups meet, BLAM, gotta kill 'em! As few people that are seen in this show, I can't imagine food is that short supply that there simply isn't enough to go around. You got a whole world's worth of canned goods. I'm thinking one large group would tend to hold up better than disparate little bands all over the place.
Based on your experience of actual zombie apocalypses?Ok, don't want to drag this thread off topic, so I'll leave it alone. I enjoy the show, that's enough.you wouldnt make it very longWhy, when it could be survival of everyone, and the species?survival of the fittestIs there ever an apocalyptic movie/show where people actually, you know, band together rather than killing each other off? Seems to me if you were down to a handful of human survivors, you might want to do your best to actually keep them alive. You know, so the race can continue. But in every one of them, any time two groups meet, BLAM, gotta kill 'em! As few people that are seen in this show, I can't imagine food is that short supply that there simply isn't enough to go around. You got a whole world's worth of canned goods. I'm thinking one large group would tend to hold up better than disparate little bands all over the place.
Doesn't make much sense to to most of us to do that today either, but there's always a certain element of the population (now or what's left over after the zombie apocalypse) who'll do that anyway. It's a strategy that might work in the short term, and might have worked for that group before. Also it wasn't really food they were after, it was a safe location to settle rather than keep drifting. When they out there was a settlement nearby, that's when it went south.Btw, what makes this farm so special in terms of safety? Why is that place any better than any other abandoned farmhouse?Wouldn't peaceful coexistence between survivors give you a much better chance of that happening?Look, I realize it makes for "good TV". But the whole premise seems rather silly. Yes, if there is a nucleur winter and food is in short supply, like after a giant meteor impact, then it might make sense. When it is zombies, and warehouses are likely sitting full of canned goods, etc, it just doesn't make sense to go around killing each other.In this scenario, I don't really care too much about the survival of the species. I care about the survival of myself and my family and close friends.Why, when it could be survival of everyone, and the species?
question for the comic readers
Could someone who has read the comics explain the significance of the prison? You guys have been talking about it the whole thread. Can they leave once they get there? Please answer in spoiler. thanks
based on history of the human raceBased on your experience of actual zombie apocalypses?Ok, don't want to drag this thread off topic, so I'll leave it alone. I enjoy the show, that's enough.you wouldnt make it very longWhy, when it could be survival of everyone, and the species?survival of the fittestIs there ever an apocalyptic movie/show where people actually, you know, band together rather than killing each other off? Seems to me if you were down to a handful of human survivors, you might want to do your best to actually keep them alive. You know, so the race can continue. But in every one of them, any time two groups meet, BLAM, gotta kill 'em! As few people that are seen in this show, I can't imagine food is that short supply that there simply isn't enough to go around. You got a whole world's worth of canned goods. I'm thinking one large group would tend to hold up better than disparate little bands all over the place.
Seems to me that there really isnt that much food around...the biters(zombies) even eat animals so im sure any livestock has been eaten by the biters over time. The survivors like Rick and his crew are the types who would help strangers when they can, but just like real life there are always scumbags who will take advantage of situations like an apocalypse and rape and kill...take whatever they want ect;. Not everyone wants to play nice...and thank god because it makes for better actionWouldn't peaceful coexistence between survivors give you a much better chance of that happening?Look, I realize it makes for "good TV". But the whole premise seems rather silly. Yes, if there is a nucleur winter and food is in short supply, like after a giant meteor impact, then it might make sense. When it is zombies, and warehouses are likely sitting full of canned goods, etc, it just doesn't make sense to go around killing each other.In this scenario, I don't really care too much about the survival of the species. I care about the survival of myself and my family and close friends.Why, when it could be survival of everyone, and the species?

pretty good review as i agree whole heartedly about how the two leads (rick and laurie) bring the show down
thanks butquestion for the comic readers
Could someone who has read the comics explain the significance of the prison? You guys have been talking about it the whole thread. Can they leave once they get there? Please answer in spoiler. thanksThink of a prison. Fences to keep the inmates in, food, clothing, guns/ammo, etc. In the comics, the prison doesn't keep the inmates in, but keeps the walkers out. So they are safe. They have plenty of food (something that they had none of before getting to the prison that the TV series really hasn't addressed. They also have room to plant a garden, I believe. And there are some new characters there as well.
thanks butquestion for the comic readers
Could someone who has read the comics explain the significance of the prison? You guys have been talking about it the whole thread. Can they leave once they get there? Please answer in spoiler. thanksThink of a prison. Fences to keep the inmates in, food, clothing, guns/ammo, etc. In the comics, the prison doesn't keep the inmates in, but keeps the walkers out. So they are safe. They have plenty of food (something that they had none of before getting to the prison that the TV series really hasn't addressed. They also have room to plant a garden, I believe. And there are some new characters there as well.
No. As far as I know, no zombie story ever gets into that because there's really no plausible mechanism for it to happen as long as zombies are as slow and stupid as they're typically portrayed. Once zombies are 99% of the population, things get very interesting. But there's no way for them to get from 1% to 99%, so that part's always skipped over.Do the comics ever get into how the earth became zombie land?
Because Shane decided it was in his best interest to make Otis dead. Same would happen to anyone who followed Shane when he made that decision for you.No you aren't...he's dead.The better question is who would you rather follow and stake your life on? The fatty who's survived untold trips into town, has limited medical knowledge, has corralled dozens of walkers and has a support community and a subsistence level living situation? Or a guy who pumps a round into the leg of someone who has risked their life to help save someone in your party? Follow a guy who has deluded himself into believing that Carl and Lori are/should be his, who lies and takes by force and decides who lives or dies based on how useful they are to his own goals, not the greater good? I'm going with the guy who doesn't shoot me in the leg so he can get away.What would you have done in the scenario as given above?Exactly. As soon as Shane sees no use to you, you're dead. Not the guy I'm staking my survival on.Me or you and your being overweight is a burden to our/my survival PLUS I need to get back to save a little boy that is almost family?BANG!It's only the way to survive if Shane doesn't decide to shoot you in the leg for what he decides is the greater good.Yep!I have a feeling that some people are gonna need his help when the #### hits the fan and they will have to bite the bullet and admit that Shane's way is the best way to surviveLike I said a few days ago, IMO Shane is one of the better characters on the show. Any scene he is in is good. If they decide to kill off his character I hope they bring on another character that is equally as fun to watch. And I think that time will be coming soon.
Please, for all that is good in the world, kill Glen and Dale though
sorry fat ###...
horrible review as I disagree with pretty much the entire thingpretty good review as i agree whole heartedly about how the two leads (rick and laurie) bring the show down
horrible review as I disagree with pretty much the entire thingpretty good review as i agree whole heartedly about how the two leads (rick and laurie) bring the show down

There's probably zombies in Hawaii.Find an airport, find a pilot, fly to Hawaii or the galapagos and live out your days in peace.
A finite number on islands. Load the plane up with ammo on top of ammo and guns. Game, set, match.There's probably zombies in Hawaii.Find an airport, find a pilot, fly to Hawaii or the galapagos and live out your days in peace.
I would rather live in a very cold area like iceland or greenland - frozen zombies are easier to kill.A finite number on islands. Load the plane up with ammo on top of ammo and guns. Game, set, match.There's probably zombies in Hawaii.Find an airport, find a pilot, fly to Hawaii or the galapagos and live out your days in peace.
Oh really?I would rather live in a very cold area like iceland or greenland - frozen zombies are easier to kill.A finite number on islands. Load the plane up with ammo on top of ammo and guns. Game, set, match.There's probably zombies in Hawaii.Find an airport, find a pilot, fly to Hawaii or the galapagos and live out your days in peace.
Agreed, almost like people have to find things wrong. I think last page people were bashing Rick for not letting them come through the door and it wasn't even him who stopped them. Once Glen slid in front of the door Rick didn't have a lot of options. Rick is growing on me and I like his character. Sure, he has had a lot of speeches, but I believe in who he is.Above folks were talking about why people don't band together and try and create a big bunch of people, which should allow for more safety. I see Rick as someone who understands that and wants to try and get back to a real society.horrible review as I disagree with pretty much the entire thingpretty good review as i agree whole heartedly about how the two leads (rick and laurie) bring the show down![]()
People are #######s. YWIA.Look, I realize it makes for "good TV". But the whole premise seems rather silly. Yes, if there is a nucleur winter and food is in short supply, like after a giant meteor impact, then it might make sense. When it is zombies, and warehouses are likely sitting full of canned goods, etc, it just doesn't make sense to go around killing each other.
Actually, I thought in the survival guide they said frozen areas could be worse as frozen zombies could keep better and you could be lulled into false safety before they thaw. If you are in Hawaii, the tropical environment could decay the ones that are left and you have fewer years to survive before you are zombie free.I would rather live in a very cold area like iceland or greenland - frozen zombies are easier to kill.A finite number on islands. Load the plane up with ammo on top of ammo and guns. Game, set, match.There's probably zombies in Hawaii.Find an airport, find a pilot, fly to Hawaii or the galapagos and live out your days in peace.
I answered this question on page 59 in post # 2928No. As far as I know, no zombie story ever gets into that because there's really no plausible mechanism for it to happen as long as zombies are as slow and stupid as they're typically portrayed. Once zombies are 99% of the population, things get very interesting. But there's no way for them to get from 1% to 99%, so that part's always skipped over.Do the comics ever get into how the earth became zombie land?
man. And if the logic was faulty behind the decision to doom two-thirds of the attackers and then risk life and (getting torn limb from) limb to perform a field amputation on a kid barely old enough to recognize Michael Irvin, let alone cheer his spinal injury, at least director Billy Geirhart kept the nervy energy of the scene crackling throughout.

question for the comic readers
Could someone who has read the comics explain the significance of the prison? You guys have been talking about it the whole thread. Can they leave once they get there? Please answer in spoiler. thanksThink of a prison. Fences to keep the inmates in, food, clothing, guns/ammo, etc. In the comics, the prison doesn't keep the inmates in, but keeps the walkers out. So they are safe. They have plenty of food (something that they had none of before getting to the prison that the TV series really hasn't addressed. They also have room to plant a garden, I believe. And there are some new characters there as well.
based on history of the human raceBased on your experience of actual zombie apocalypses?Ok, don't want to drag this thread off topic, so I'll leave it alone. I enjoy the show, that's enough.you wouldnt make it very longWhy, when it could be survival of everyone, and the species?survival of the fittestIs there ever an apocalyptic movie/show where people actually, you know, band together rather than killing each other off? Seems to me if you were down to a handful of human survivors, you might want to do your best to actually keep them alive. You know, so the race can continue. But in every one of them, any time two groups meet, BLAM, gotta kill 'em! As few people that are seen in this show, I can't imagine food is that short supply that there simply isn't enough to go around. You got a whole world's worth of canned goods. I'm thinking one large group would tend to hold up better than disparate little bands all over the place.

That would make for a great show. We could watch them all grow old together living on the beach and multiplying.Find an airport, find a pilot, fly to Hawaii or the galapagos and live out your days in peace.
holy ####Actually, I thought in the survival guide they said frozen areas could be worse as frozen zombies could keep better and you could be lulled into false safety before they thaw. If you are in Hawaii, the tropical environment could decay the ones that are left and you have fewer years to survive before you are zombie free.I would rather live in a very cold area like iceland or greenland - frozen zombies are easier to kill.A finite number on islands. Load the plane up with ammo on top of ammo and guns. Game, set, match.There's probably zombies in Hawaii.Find an airport, find a pilot, fly to Hawaii or the galapagos and live out your days in peace.
the windshield flesh scene was great!! loved itand i agree, that fool was shooting at me? im gona take his gun and leave him to eaten by the zombiesBest episode yet.Did you see the flesh peeling back on the zombie's face as he pushed his head through the windshield? Sick.And I'm sorry, if this kid was just taking shots at me from the rooftop, I'm taking full advantage of his misfortune and getting the hell out of there after hearing that the town is surrounded by walkers.
He was just a kid trying to survive... following the group he was with... shooting at people who just killed two of his group-mates.the windshield flesh scene was great!! loved itand i agree, that fool was shooting at me? im gona take his gun and leave him to eaten by the zombiesBest episode yet.Did you see the flesh peeling back on the zombie's face as he pushed his head through the windshield? Sick.And I'm sorry, if this kid was just taking shots at me from the rooftop, I'm taking full advantage of his misfortune and getting the hell out of there after hearing that the town is surrounded by walkers.
I'm not going to get eaten trying to save him, but I might give it a shot if it's possible.