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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (5 Viewers)

cstu said:
Rick is a bad leader, poorly written by bad writers, played by a bad actor. Almost everything Rick does is a contradiction in itself. He scolds people for things he does all the time. He doesn't want to "lead" but he wants to make the decision to boot Carol instead of taking it to the Council. And if there was a choice to leave her, there were a million better places to disengage from her and give her an actual chance.

"I'll lead when it's towards what I want, irregardless of whatever else wants. Everyone else can lead as long as it's towards what I want, so I have time to dig turnips and mope instead of taking care of my kids"
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Rick is even more of a #### in the comic books.

As for giving Carol the boot there, that's my reason why I think he was protecting her. If he brought her back then the council may have voted to exile her but in the meantime Tyreese would have tried to kill her.
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I think Tyreese would have killed her if he knew before this trip, but now I think Tyreese might forgive her.

 
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Regarding the watch thing... remember that Carol was a battered wife. This season we've seen her get stronger. She goes from trying to teach kids how to detach from emotion and learn to survive in this dangerous world with the knife training and takes it to far with trying to step up and make hard decisions for everyone with the burning of the bodies. Giving up the watch which was a gift from her abusive spouse was her way of recognizing that she is strong and able to stand on her own, making tough decisions and accepting their consequences.

 
cstu said:
- Not idea why the alcoholic was being given such a hard time. I'm pretty sure he was putting antibiotics in the sachel as well as the booze. Made no sense to me to have Darryl lose it like he did over something like that. In a zombie apocolypse, I'm sure half the people would look for a way to find a way to block out what is happening.
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He only lost it because he put people's lives in danger by refusing to drop the bag. I am confused at why all of the alcohol is gone though - perhaps we'll see a Justin Blackmon appearance on the show.
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The raining zombie store had plenty of booze to go around. Daryl was standing on a pyramid of beer.

I would have grabbed some myself. :banned:

 
GordonGekko said:
Either that or she will be part of the new spin off series to tie in this series to it.
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Maybe Darryl will end up going after her and they will headline the new series.

 
Copeman said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Copeman said:
When Rick wwas driving away looking in the rearview mirror a bunch of times, was he hoping Carol was following? Or not?
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He was making sure Lori wasn't in the back seat.
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Lori is dead, folks.
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Nobody is dead. Its all in Rick's head. Last episode with him in a coma and Metallica's One playing...

 
Also isn't there enough room in thw dudes bag for booze and medicine? What was he doing when they were going through the shelves? Tossing bottles into an imaginary bag?

 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
None_More_Black said:
I guess you have to try something, but antibiotics will not cure the flu. Also thought ragging on a guy with a drinking problem during a zombie apocolypse was pretty stupid.
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He almost died and endangered the others hanging onto a bag because it had the booze in it. If the guy is willing to risk his own safety and the safety of others for a drink then he is a threat, a great guy to party with.
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Just caught up on this week's episode. It was my favorite episode in a long time, probably since the mid season 3 break. I liked that they kept talking about things that had happened a while back in the show. Shane, Sophia, Carol's husband, Lori's death, etc. It finally felt like a conversation real people would be having.

Carol is probably my favorite character right now, and she's the only one that's had a really good and believable path of character development in all this. When they were giving her so much exposition I was worried they were going to kill her off, so I'll settle for banished-but-will-probably-return-soon. The show really needs a character like her/Shane to balance out the group and Rick, who's become a terrible character since the end of season 2.

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Carol is probably my favorite character right now, and she's the only one that's had a really good and believable path of character development in all this.
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I can agree with this. Not as cartoony as the rest.
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Carol's definitely shown the most growth as a character but I'd put Daryl a close second. He's gone from a racist redneck to a redneck who might be tapping Michonne next week.

 
cstu said:
Corporation said:
shadyridr said:
Maik Jeaunz said:
did that whole thing where someone was feeding rats to the zombies at night just go nowhere?
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:wall: they answered it in that same episode
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You have consistently said that it was the little girl (and I tend to agree) but multiple people have mentioned other options. It has not been definitively answered.
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Have any rats been fed to the walkers since the pigs were killed? Because pigs hate rats.
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I think you nailed it. Shader put out the "obvious" explanation, but yours makes so much more sense. Great job.

 
Is it too much to ask for a spinoff show starring Carol and Jesse from Breaking Bad?

Jesse: Look, lady, whatever you're selling,I ain't buying, yo.

Carol: Well, my name is Carol White Peletier, yo. My brother is Walter White, yo.

Jesse: Uh-huh.

Carol: He told me everything.

 
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packersfan said:
I still think Rick made the right decision with Carol. :shrug:
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Re-watch the scene when they were in the bathroom when they were gathering drugs. Rick had no reply to anything Carol said. If he felt as strong to his decision, he'd say it there. He then multiplied his wrong by locking her out of the car (really?) and then said his spiel about protecting his family.

You just can't be a farmer.

/drops mic

 
Insein said:
Also isn't there enough room in thw dudes bag for booze and medicine? What was he doing when they were going through the shelves? Tossing bottles into an imaginary bag?
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If I were in zombie world I would be getting tore down. Liquor keeps well. I'd be set as long as my liver would hold out. (Or I guess the first time I'm hammered and stumble on some zombies.)

 
Jackstraw said:
Insein said:
Also isn't there enough room in thw dudes bag for booze and medicine? What was he doing when they were going through the shelves? Tossing bottles into an imaginary bag?
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If I were in zombie world I would be getting tore down. Liquor keeps well. I'd be set as long as my liver would hold out. (Or I guess the first time I'm hammered and stumble on some zombies.)
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Even some beers would keep well:

The following is a list of some of the top-rated, cellarable, bottle-conditioned beers we have reviewed. All or any of these would be highly recommended for a beer cellar (e.g., a cool cupboard in the basement). Suggested cellaring periods are in brackets, though they are only approximate cellaring times based on personal experiences and in some cases, brewery recommendations. Three gueuzes have been included for the simple reason that these beers have the best cellaring potential in the beer world. Frank Boon of Brouwerij Boon claims a 30-year cellar life for his gueuze beers.

  • Brasserie d’Achouffe (Belgium) N’Ice Chouffe (up to 5 years)
  • Chimay (Belgium) Grand Reserve Blue (up to 5 years)
  • Sinebrychoff (Finland) Porter 1996 Bottling (up to 5 years)
  • King & Barnes (England) Millennium Ale (up to 10 years)
  • J.W. Lees (England) Harvest Ale 1998 (up to 10 Years)
  • Unibroue (Canada) Quelquechose (up to 10 years)
  • Young’s (England) Old Nick Barley Wine (up to 10 years)
  • Lindemans (Belgium) Gueuze Cuvée René (up to 15 years)
  • Frank Boon (Belgium) Gueuze Mariage Parfait (up to 20 years)
  • Cantillon (Belgium) Gueuze (up to 20 years)
  • Eldridge Pope (England) Thomas Hardy’s Ale (up to 20 years)
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I was like, ‘What?!?!?‘

It’s been a bolder Carol this season on The Walking Dead. But that boldness may have done her in after Rick — reacting to the news that Carol had killed Tyreese’s girlfriend Karen and another guy named David in the hopes of stopping the killer virus from spreading — told her she was no longer welcome at the prison and abandoned her on the side of the road, alone with a car full of supplies. We chatted with the woman who plays Carol, Melissa McBride, to get her take on the controversial decision. How did she react when she heard the news? What does she think about Carol not being able to say goodbye to Daryl? And will we ever see her character again? Read on for answers!

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Okay, so that happened.
MELISSA McBRIDE: Well, what did you think?

EW: What did I think? I’m going to tell you what I thought. I am totally Team Carol on this one. She’s making the hard decisions that Rick no longer wants to make. So I really don’t have a problem with what she did and think Rick was way too harsh in leaving her out there alone. But where do you stand, Melissa? Was Carol an asset or a liability to the group?
McBRIDE: On one hand I can understand Rick’s point of view. And certainly I can understand Carol’s point of view because I know her. And I know her heart. It’s an interesting divide and it’s an interesting divide among The Walking Dead fans too. That’s what I love about the show.

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EW: Would you have kicked Carol out of the group?
McBRIDE: No, I don’t think I would have. I would have kept it cool on the ride back and maybe I would have put her in a cell until everybody got back and let’s discuss what’s just happened here.

EW: We saw her last week risking her life for the group, and npw she’s fixing dislocated shoulders? Why would you not want that person on your team? She’s doing it all!
McBRIDE: There’s many things about Carol now that proves to be an asset to the group, certainly. But as far as Rick is concerned she is a threat. She is unpredictable, and making these unilateral decisions, and why is she doing this? He can’t quite make out the psyche going on there.

EW: You said the reaction to Rick abandoning her has been mixed. For me this was a bad move by Rick, but you’re seeing both sides of it out there.
McBRIDE: I am. I’m seeing a lot of divisiveness and like I said there are people that can understand Rick’s point of view for saying that he is protecting her again. It’s Sheriff Rick being very methodical about his decision. And, in a way, maybe protecting Carol from the consequences of her actions as far as Tyreese is concerned. He does not want to create a big divide among the group. And on the other hand, you have people that think he’s overreacting and to leave this woman old cold on the road is not fair.

EW: Especially when you look at everything that has already happened to her.
McBRIDE: And they are making great arguments for each. Again, this is what is so masterful about the writing, is that we’re seeing two people making similar decisions in a similar way: Rick making this decision on his own to leave her there; Carol having made that decision to put down Karen and David on her own. And each one thinks that they’ve made the right decision at the time. And in a way, each is right. And in a way, each is wrong.

EW: When we spoke last week you talked about how showrunner Scott Gimple had provided you with an outline before the season began in terms of what Carol’s arc was going to be this season. Was her being abandoned by Rick out in the middle of nowhere part of that outline or did you learn that later?
McBRIDE: I learned that as we went along. I love the way they go about this with us as far as the scripts and when they come and how much we know when. I particularly like the way we don’t know everything up front. But the writing is so good they’re not pulling stuff that is completely out of character for these people. It makes sense for who they are. It makes sense for the circumstances they’re going to find themselves in as we get further and further into the season.

EW: Well, what was your reaction when you found out that this was going to happen?
McBRIDE: It’s one thing when they tell you sort of what’s going to happen. It’s one thing to hear it in a general sense. It’s another thing for me to read it when I get the actual script. And reading that last page floored me as much as it floored Carol. In fact, Carol handled it much better than I did for me. I thought she was a champ. And I was like, ‘What?!?!?‘

EW: I was going to ask you about that. Tell me about how you and Andrew Lincoln played those final scenes in terms of how much emotion to put out there in these final moments they have together. Because I, like you, was surprised at how well she kept it together. She tried her best to get him to change his mind, saw that wasn’t going to happen, and came to accept her fate
McBRIDE: Yeah, she’s accepting her fate. And what’s interesting too is that I remember at the time shooting that standing there with Rick and looking at him and watching him and absorbing these things that he was telling her and I felt this really weird little bit of respect come creeping in for him. Like two equals. I understand where you’re coming from, okay? And to me, that was a weird kind of beautiful thing that I witnessed. I love it when these things crop up during a scene.

EW: She didn’t even get to say goodbye to Daryl! The fans are not going to like that at all.
McBRIDE: She didn’t get to say goodbye to him. She didn’t get to say goodbye to anybody. This is great stuff to me. This is important stuff. Devastating stuff. This world that they’re living in is so mean.

EW: So, of course the big question is: Will we see Carol again?
McBRIDE: I can’t say for sure one way or the other. I hope we do. I hope that’s not the last of her, but you know the way this show is. I don’t know. It’s unpredictable. The show is unpredictable. And we always think, well, if we don’t see them die on camera, there’s always a possibility. And then we do see them die on camera and sometimes they still come back, so who knows?

EW: You guys have the death dinners whenever somebody is killed off and the whole cast takes the actor whose character was just killed out for dinner and drinks. How does this work with you being abandoned but not killed off? Did you at least get a dessert or a Shirley Temple out of it?
McBRIDE: [Laughing] Those death dinners are confidential, and I won’t be discussing that! And you can quote me on that.

EW: This has been such a great arc for this character and it must have been nice to have this juicy material for you to play and to be such a strong — in some senses too strong, perhaps — female character on this show.
McBRIDE: It has been amazing to play this character. She just started out complicated and it’s gotten more complicated. But there’s so much evolution and so much change just dictated by the world that they’re in. Yes, she has been an actor’s dream for me.
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cstu said:
packersfan said:
Thought this was the best episode of the season. Really enjoyed the Rick-Carol stuff and I think he made the right call there. It wasn't up to Carol to make that decision and just off a couple of people. That was very Shane/Governor-esque in my opinion.

This season still feels off to me. Can't put my finger on what it is.
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We know we're waiting around for the Governor to the show up. The governor was handled better in the comic book because there was never much of a break in the fighting with him. I would rather he died at the end of last season and they wrote a new antagonist for the group this season.
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I don't watch Talking Dead or read much related to this show. Do we know for sure that the Governor is going to show up again? (I don't care about having this "spoiled" if it's already been discussed by writers or actors).

 
IvanKaramazov said:
cstu said:
packersfan said:
Thought this was the best episode of the season. Really enjoyed the Rick-Carol stuff and I think he made the right call there. It wasn't up to Carol to make that decision and just off a couple of people. That was very Shane/Governor-esque in my opinion.

This season still feels off to me. Can't put my finger on what it is.
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We know we're waiting around for the Governor to the show up. The governor was handled better in the comic book because there was never much of a break in the fighting with him. I would rather he died at the end of last season and they wrote a new antagonist for the group this season.
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I don't watch Talking Dead or read much related to this show. Do we know for sure that the Governor is going to show up again? (I don't care about having this "spoiled" if it's already been discussed by writers or actors).
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Yes.

Like Gale Anne Hurd told Zap2it, the reason viewers had to wait for the Governor's return was so that Season 4 didn't feel like a total retread of what came before. Thus far Gimple has done a great job of making the events of Season 4 feel exciting and fresh, and that's what Kirkman tells THR was the new showrunner's goal.

"We've just devoted an entire season to the conflict of the Governor and Scott Gimple came in and was like, 'You know what? I'm sick of the Governor.' He actually said that. It's not that we don't like that character; it's just that we needed to give that character a break," Kirkman explains.
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IvanKaramazov said:
cstu said:
packersfan said:
Thought this was the best episode of the season. Really enjoyed the Rick-Carol stuff and I think he made the right call there. It wasn't up to Carol to make that decision and just off a couple of people. That was very Shane/Governor-esque in my opinion.

This season still feels off to me. Can't put my finger on what it is.
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We know we're waiting around for the Governor to the show up. The governor was handled better in the comic book because there was never much of a break in the fighting with him. I would rather he died at the end of last season and they wrote a new antagonist for the group this season.
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I don't watch Talking Dead or read much related to this show. Do we know for sure that the Governor is going to show up again? (I don't care about having this "spoiled" if it's already been discussed by writers or actors).
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According to my son

the governor does come back in the comics...but the show hasn't stayed entirely true to the comics, so there you go. According to cast credits he'll be making a return early next year.
 
Jules Winnfield said:
3C said:
Jules Winnfield said:
3C said:
Ole peg leg is rather easy on the eyes. Speaking of eyes, hers are incredible. Too bad the zombies got her.

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTU1ODIyNjkxMV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTU1MDUwNA@@._V1._SX640_SY960_.jpg
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Rory Gilmore? Eaten by a zombie?
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Brina Palencia http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1754270/
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No...Rory Gilmore...to make a funny
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Fortunately I've never once seen anything involving the Gilmore Girls or whatever it's called. :thumbup:

But I did goog the name earlier. Definitely see a resemblance.

Oh and :lol:

 
JoeSteeler said:
pollardsvision said:
flapgreen said:
No gunshots heard from the other two? Shouldn't they have heard them shooting at the zombies?
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They didn't get attacked by zombies.

Not sure why Rick and Carol thought they'd died either.

Clearly, the couple took the guns and the watch. They are now going to the prison to go on a murdering spree. Just like they killed the one dude and took his apples.
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uhh...they found the girls severed leg on the ground and she was being eaten off the distance
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Why would they find her severed leg at the fence and her body being eaten across the street? If the walkers got her at the fence, they'd have been eating her at the fence. I get that they were just doing it for dramatic effect, but I thought it was dumb. I'm actually surprised those two made it as long as they did. They didn't seem cut out for the new world. There's people looting your house and you come out of the door without identifying yourself first? They could've gotten shot on the spot by someone more trigger happy.

 
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So when they finally get back into a car after the zombie hedges and the booze run, not a single shot or mention of trying out the radio again? Youwwould think that after a year plus of nocturnal

contact they would be absolutely craxy to find that signal again.

 
The Big Guy said:
So when they finally get back into a car after the zombie hedges and the booze run, not a single shot or mention of trying out the radio again? Youwwould think that after a year plus of nocturnal

contact they would be absolutely craxy to find that signal again.
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It kind of took a back seat to finding the meds this past episode. I'm sure they will discuss it in the car on the way back.

 
The Big Guy said:
So when they finally get back into a car after the zombie hedges and the booze run, not a single shot or mention of trying out the radio again? Youwwould think that after a year plus of nocturnal

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They weren't exactly happy with the song selection on said station as it was mostly dead head music. Zombies loved it but Darryl had final say and it was not to be played again

 
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