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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (8 Viewers)

Geez, Andrew Lincoln's audition must have just been him just going "CAAAHRRREL" over and over with various degrees of caution and fear.

 
Was it me or was that a vote for Carol by the writers when the Blonde girls saved Tyrell and Carol's whole survivalist/kids should be armed mentality which previously got his girlfriend killed also just saved his life.

 
Seppy:

Boy oh boy was "Too Far Gone" all over the map in terms of tone, quality and a general sense of direction (or the lack thereof).

The episode wasted even more time on the Governor doing and saying Governor things even if he wouldn't let Hershel call him by that title but it also had the good sense to finally eliminate him via a well-timed katana strike from Michonne. We were just going in circles with this character, and he in turn was forcing the show to circle the drain (in quality, if not in ratings, since our collective love of zombies trumps our collective interest in good storytelling), so better to be done with him.

It was a slog getting through the first half, first with all the Governor scenes, then as we got to the big moment where Rick was forced to resume leadership of the group. I know "Lost" is one of the models for "The Walking Dead" (Mazzara said that often, and Gimple sure seems to be following that lead), and "Lost" sure as heck obsessed with who is and isn't a good leader. But "Lost" had a host of interesting characters who all got to take a turn wearing the big chief hat, never settling on an answer until the closing minutes of the series finale. "The Walking Dead" has a sketchier group of characters, and all of them primarily exist to tell Rick (and us) what an awesome leader he is. So when the finale seemed to be building up to more Governor megalomania, and more of Rick reluctantly taking the reins and being the best and the brightest again, I groaned at how wildly the creative team seemed to be miscalculating their own series' strengths.

But then Hershel got his head chopped off, and while I'll miss Scott Wilson, that at least kicked off an impressive, prolonged action sequence. It was essentially a do-over for the climax that was so badly botched at the end of season 3, and if it was eight episodes too late, it was at least exciting to watch...

... even though so much of it didn't make a lick of sense.

Suddenly, Lily is just showing up in the field with Megan's body? The Governor and his lackeys didn't have a Plan B that didn't involve destroying the fence and blowing holes in the wall of the prison, defeating the whole purpose of going there? Michonne disappears and reappears at random, depending on the needs of the plot?

And then there was all the nonsense with the little girls, which drove an awful lot of the plot of the closing minutes, how various characters got paired up in their escape from the prison, and the enormous, character and series worldview-altering death of baby Judith, who got abandoned by the girls because... Carol gave them bad advice? There wasn't a single other person in Rick's group(*) to keep watch on them? They have all become deadeye shots by osmosis, and had to demonstrate this gift more than they needed to hang onto the baby?

(*) A group still large and redshirt-filled enough that it was difficult at times during the gunfight keeping track of which side people were on.

Judith dying(**) is huge, especially in an episode where Megan also gets killed simply for digging in the wrong pile of mud. The show has killed children before, but Sophia was a non-entity at the time she died, and Carol barely more than that back then. For good or for ill, this show (and the comic book before it) has thrown all of its emotional weight behind Rick Grimes; in a sense, things don't really matter unless they are happening to him. L'il Asskicker's birth was a dark moment for the series because of Lori's sacrifice, but her existence and Lori's decision not to try terminating the pregnancy was a rare bit of hope in this bleak universe. So, for that matter, was the shelter and relative peace the prison offered. Kill the baby, trash the prison, and scatter Rick's group to the five winds, and you've taken away Rick's hope, and by proxy the hope of the audience that things can get better. We can debate the appeal of a show that wallows in misery to that extent, but this big emotional turning point shouldn't come because Judith was being watched by a bunch of poorly-characterized kids who decided they had other things to do.

(**) UPDATE: Lots of you are going with the "no body = no death" theory on Judith. And while she could turn up alive down the road, it was very strongly implied otherwise (bloody car seat, and why would anyone take her out of such a useful carrier in the first place?), and in the meantime, Rick and Carl are reacting as if she's dead, which brings us back to the point that they shouldn't have built this huge emotional turn on such a shaky foundation. Also, making characters believe the baby is dead if she isn't is a much cheaper trick than if it's an adult (like Carol last season).

I'm glad the Governor is gone. I'm glad the show has finally moved out of the prison set. And the idea of the group being separated, even for a little while, opens up some interesting narrative possibilities that will hopefully keep the show from falling into the kind of rut so many of you were unhappy with during the plague episodes. But even with cool action involving swords, tank artillery and Daryl using a zombie (or, rather, a poorly-disguised prop dummy) as a human shield, "Too Far Gone" didn't so much thrill me as make me worry about what the show will look like when it returns in February. For a while there this fall, it felt like Gimple had wrestled some of the series' weaker elements to the ground and found some much-needed consistency, but these last few weeks were full of bad ideas that felt like they had been thought up at random.
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lumpy19 said:
Raider Nation said:
I don't know how many agree with me, but all of this has gotten boring since they have hunkered down at the prison. This show was at its best in season 1 when they were on the road... constantly on the run. Setting up makeshift camps; invading the CDC, etc. It's great when they are literally on the run.

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I mentioned to a friend yesterday that I hope they leave that prison soon, it's boring.
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Great episode. No complaints from me. I'm not surprised that there were a lot of missed shots by the gov's crew. First, they are on the low ground with no cover. Second, it sure didn't seem like they were the cream of the crop. They lost 2 of their 3 initial leaders before the fight and the 3rd was in the tank.

I was waiting for Michonne to jump into the fray and kill the governor. They telegraphed that a mile away and to be honest, I was glad she left him to turn. Not surprised the mom (or older sister?) finished the deal.

I think Judith bit it. Not sure you can explain the blood away unless it was Tyrese because he got shot and he would have been heading that way after the kids. Do any of these people have long range walkies with batteries? I know Duracell can last many years, so I would think you would have something in the get away bus and anyone's supplies, but I don't recall any of them using them outside of Rick calling Morgan a long time ago.

 
I'd be very surprised if Judith wasn't dead.

she isn't in the comics after the prison either, since she died with Lori in the shootout
I am torn, I'm glad they took some time this season to explore how the govnor works his way into power and is then able to get folk to go completely against their own moral compass. But still think it could have been wrapped up last season without the new group.

Enjoyed the episode, but also glad they are moving on from the prison

 
Raider Nation said:
Seppy:

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(**) UPDATE: Lots of you are going with the "no body = no death" theory on Judith. And while she could turn up alive down the road, it was very strongly implied otherwise (bloody car seat, and why would anyone take her out of such a useful carrier in the first place?), and in the meantime, Rick and Carl are reacting as if she's dead, which brings us back to the point that they shouldn't have built this huge emotional turn on such a shaky foundation. Also, making characters believe the baby is dead if she isn't is a much cheaper trick than if it's an adult (like Carol last season).
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Any parent who's ever tried to jog to a car to get out of the rain whilst dealing with one of those car seats will tell you - it's far, far easier to run holding a child than it is to run with one of those things. They're bulky, cumbersome and they throw your balance off tremendously - way more than running with just the kid on your hip. As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on whether or not Asskicker lived, but the car seat being left behind isn't a good reason to assume she didn't make it.

 
Holy s**t was that a great episode.

That's the attack on Woodbury we should've seen last season. Glad to see The Governor bite it and while I was hoping it would be Rick who got to off him it definitely worked that Michonne was the one to do it, saving Rick in the process.

So now that the Governor's dead it'll be interesting to see what the big threat will be in the second half of the season beyond mere survival.

 
danielmclark said:
Raider Nation said:
Seppy:

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(**) UPDATE: Lots of you are going with the "no body = no death" theory on Judith. And while she could turn up alive down the road, it was very strongly implied otherwise (bloody car seat, and why would anyone take her out of such a useful carrier in the first place?), and in the meantime, Rick and Carl are reacting as if she's dead, which brings us back to the point that they shouldn't have built this huge emotional turn on such a shaky foundation. Also, making characters believe the baby is dead if she isn't is a much cheaper trick than if it's an adult (like Carol last season).
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Any parent who's ever tried to jog to a car to get out of the rain whilst dealing with one of those car seats will tell you - it's far, far easier to run holding a child than it is to run with one of those things. They're bulky, cumbersome and they throw your balance off tremendously - way more than running with just the kid on your hip. As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on whether or not Asskicker lived, but the car seat being left behind isn't a good reason to assume she didn't make it.
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Agreed. The kids could have started to unbuckle her before Carol Jr. shot the lesbian chick. Tyrese got shot, so there was a good amount of blood coming from him, so maybe he went after the kids and grabbed Judith and the blood was his. Since there weren't any zombies right there chewing on her, there is definitely a chance she survived.

The main thing I don't get is that Rick/Carl acting like she is dead is not something that IMHO proves she is dead. I would lean towards her being dead, but right now I see Tyrese as a plausible reason for her being alive and there being blood in the carrier.

 
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