Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s just so so bad. It’s like the WAS front office had no access to game footage.
Either that or they’re like the girls who date prison inmates thinking, “I can fix him!”
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Either that or they’re like the girls who date prison inmates thinking, “I can fix him!”
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Imagine announcing that your team has traded for Carson Wentz, the day after Russell Wilson gets traded and two days after Rodgers announcing he's staying in Green Bay.
With that said I'm a bigger Wentz fan than most and I think the Colts are making a mistake here. Be careful what you wish for because you just may end up with Mitch Trubisky.
dcgangstas
Footballguy
And they do this move 10 years to the day that they made the trade for RG3.
farfromforgotten
Footballguy
Welcome aboard, Commander Carson!
woah.
woah.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
true, but just to shed that contract I think the Colts are smart. They could bring in whatever QB for 2021 & if they stink, 2023 is a great QB draft class. Colts are loaded with young talent.
i like the move for the Colts. And like you, I feel like Wentz could be salvaged. I’m less convinced of that now than I was before he went to the Colts. They had a good OL, excellent receiving weapons, an elite run game and defense & their biggest issue was QB.
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Skipdog77
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Wahington's offense wasn't viable last year.
Now it is. At somewhat less expense than one would have thought.
Now it is. At somewhat less expense than one would have thought.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't hate the move. As bad as Wentz could be, what were Washington's options.
The one big caveat: Both teams didn't want him because of off-the-field attitude, it seems. Like the Colts needed to talk to Carson repeatedly.
Sounds like sort of a loser, all things considered.
So maybe not that great a move. But not awful if you're like me and roster McLaurin in dynasty. Heinicke couldn't get him the ball. At all. They just played nine in the box against that noodle arm.
This opens things up at least a bit. There's at least a threat.
The one big caveat: Both teams didn't want him because of off-the-field attitude, it seems. Like the Colts needed to talk to Carson repeatedly.
Sounds like sort of a loser, all things considered.
So maybe not that great a move. But not awful if you're like me and roster McLaurin in dynasty. Heinicke couldn't get him the ball. At all. They just played nine in the box against that noodle arm.
This opens things up at least a bit. There's at least a threat.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Man at this point I feel bad for you guys mostly. It feels bad to laugh this long. Dan Snyder needs to go.
JaxBill
Footballguy
yikes. even worse. Still shocked that WAS didn't get Indy to pay the roster bonus to get him out of town
@AdamSchefter: Trade terms, per sources…
Colts get:
2022 third-round pick2023 third-round pick that can become a second if Carson Wentz plays 70 percent of plays.2022 second-round pick Commanders get:
QB Carson Wentz2022 second-round pick.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
ffmail4me
Footballguy
read it on extremeskins, assuming poster knew what he was talking about. But still, to give up potentially 2 2nds and a 3rd for this bum...just sick
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Colts are built to win now and the rest of the AFC is getting better and better. They're not bad enough to get into great position to take a top QB in next year's draft, and given their roster I don't think their GM sees tanking as a legit option - how many seasons can they wait?
What are their choices now? It's basically different versions of Carson Wentz in Mitchell Trubisky, Jimmy G or Ryan Fitzmagic.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Love this trade, as a Cowboys fan 
Insein
Footballguy
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Just read this about his contract:
Wentz has three years remaining on his contract
When Wentz signed his deal he still had two years remaining on his original deal. That means that his contract would run through the 2024 season. Therefore, as we enter the 2022 NFL season, Wentz’s contract has another three years left to run.
However, with the contract now having been traded twice, there is currently no prorated bonus money remaining. Therefore, the contract is in essence a one-year deal with two club options worth $26.2 million and $27.2 million.
So Washington can dump him after he sucks in 2022, while also giving up a 2nd round pick next year assuming he plays 70% of the snaps AND our 3rd this year PLUS moving back 5 spots in the 2nd this year. AWFUL trade for Washington.
Wentz has three years remaining on his contract
When Wentz signed his deal he still had two years remaining on his original deal. That means that his contract would run through the 2024 season. Therefore, as we enter the 2022 NFL season, Wentz’s contract has another three years left to run.
However, with the contract now having been traded twice, there is currently no prorated bonus money remaining. Therefore, the contract is in essence a one-year deal with two club options worth $26.2 million and $27.2 million.
So Washington can dump him after he sucks in 2022, while also giving up a 2nd round pick next year assuming he plays 70% of the snaps AND our 3rd this year PLUS moving back 5 spots in the 2nd this year. AWFUL trade for Washington.
Tom Hagen
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Still a terrible deal but if wentz can play well enough to use the entire playbook and continue to develop the offense until we get a permanent qb then it is what it is.
we still should be drafting a qb this year.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Yea i like heineke but he can’t run the full offense and isn’t a starter. We need someone who can at least run it ok. Wentz actually played ok last year. It’s just an outrageous price for a one year deal which is what i think this likely will be.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Commanders get a steal at QB if only 3rd round picks are involved, OK a 2nd, big deal.
Wentz and Wilson both have a Super Bowl ring on their finger and Wentz cost a fraction of what Denver paid and they didn't empty out all their future draft picks.
Wentz was an MVP candidate in 2017 before he tore his ACL.
Washington will be competing for the NFC East this year, good job Snyder pulling a rabbit out of his headdress.
Wentz and Wilson both have a Super Bowl ring on their finger and Wentz cost a fraction of what Denver paid and they didn't empty out all their future draft picks.
Wentz was an MVP candidate in 2017 before he tore his ACL.
Washington will be competing for the NFC East this year, good job Snyder pulling a rabbit out of his headdress.
rockaction
Footballguy
What on earth are you talking about? It cost you a third and five spots for a second. Then you can dump him if it doesn't work out. Most teams would dream of a franchise-friendly deal like that.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Its only a 1 year band-aid if he shows what he's always shown. And i don't think moving back in the 2nd this year, giving up a 3rd this year, and likely a 2nd next year is worth a 1 year stop gap. Plus Washington has done VERY well with its 3rd round picks. I think its too much a price to pay unless he somehow resurrects his career and I have my doubts.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
JP Finlay
@JPFinlayNBCS
Commanders have $33M in cap space. Carson Wentz counts for $28M.
@JPFinlayNBCS
Commanders have $33M in cap space. Carson Wentz counts for $28M.
rockaction
Footballguy
You're putting way too much faith in the ability to find players in the third round. The second is one thing, but you only lose five spots. Is he your franchise QB you hoped for? No. But he's better than what you had, for sure.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
First part, for sure..but I'm not sure how much better he is than Taylor H. I guess we'll know next year. But just doesn't feel good to acquire a guy who's been dumped twice and lost his locker room last year.
GoBirds
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
The latter part concerns me most. I've watched both he and Taylor Heinicke. Wentz threatens the other team vertically, something sorely lacking in Heinicke's game.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Allen, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, 5th? No....
Rodgers, Stafford, Ryan, Lamar Jackson, Dak...10th? No....
is he better than Tannehill and Trevor?
I'll say 14th but mostly because so many teams are waiting to see what their recently drafted guys do.
He's not Top 10
rockaction
Footballguy
They probably won't win less. Heinicke really stuck out by the end of last year. Teams schemed for his arm strength. Nobody could get open within five-ten yards. Trust a McLaurin fantasy investor. When at first he was open, the ball wouldn't get there. Then, teams saw that, so they just pressed at the line, put eight in the box, and then the guys couldn't even get open, never mind have a good ball delivered. It affected so much, his arm strength.Ok, watch them win less/pay more with Wentz.
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PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Last season Wentz was:
Top 10 tds
Top 10 qbr
Top 10 int%
for what it’s worth.
Top 10 tds
Top 10 qbr
Top 10 int%
for what it’s worth.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not a Washington fan so it doesn't really matter to me. If I was, I would surely rather my team roll the dice on a former MVP candidate rather than settle for another year of Heinecke's mediocrity, at best - he looked overwhelmed and overmatched in every game I saw him play. I know Wentz can make some bonehead plays but he also has a much better skillset in every conceivable way in comparison to Heineicke.Ok, watch them win less/pay more with Wentz.
dgreen
Footballguy
babydemon90
Footballguy
Odd that two teams have now bailed on him then...
Seems like there are certainly behind the scenes issues with leadership. But, he's still got potential. He can throw a very good ball. His issues are all between his ears. Can that be fixed? It's concerning that Reich gave up on him. But for two 3rd round picks it's probably worth the gamble. realistically, at mid season if you aren't happy you bench him.
