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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (2 Viewers)

According to ESPN, the only offensive-minded candidates remaining are Slowik and Bienemy. Both could be good, but obviously Bienemy would be a huge gamble. With Slowik, hiring a guy with one year's experience as an OC also carries a certain level of risk, although the Shanahan tree has been pretty successful across the board.
 
I personally don't really care if the HC is an offensive guy or a defensive guy. I want them to be the HC and not just a coordinator in the HC position.
 
I personally don't really care if the HC is an offensive guy or a defensive guy. I want them to be the HC and not just a coordinator in the HC position.
The issue is that if you hire a defensive guy and his OC is good, you have to worry about him being hired away within a couple years. (And if he's not good, that presents its own set of problems)
 
I personally don't really care if the HC is an offensive guy or a defensive guy. I want them to be the HC and not just a coordinator in the HC position.
The issue is that if you hire a defensive guy and his OC is good, you have to worry about him being hired away within a couple years. (And if he's not good, that presents its own set of problems)
True, but hopefully a good HC is bringing in a lot of good coaches. If the OC gets a HC job in a couple years, hopefully there's someone else to step up or he has other good connections throughout the league.
 
I personally don't really care if the HC is an offensive guy or a defensive guy. I want them to be the HC and not just a coordinator in the HC position.
The issue is that if you hire a defensive guy and his OC is good, you have to worry about him being hired away within a couple years. (And if he's not good, that presents its own set of problems)
True, but hopefully a good HC is bringing in a lot of good coaches. If the OC gets a HC job in a couple years, hopefully there's someone else to step up or he has other good connections throughout the league.
That is literally what happened with Quinn in Atlanta, and he never managed to adequately replace Shanahan after he left Hopefully he’s learned from his previous experience, but I think that’s the inherent risk of hiring a defensive-minded HC, which it now appears likely Washington will be doing
 
Man, I just thought of something: Do you think the reason all these hot candidates are choosing to stay with their teams instead of going to Washington is because they don’t realize Snyder is out?
 
Well I was big on Slowik so bummer by that.

If a Defensive coach is what we get, so be it. It was the worst part of our team for the past two years despite having a DL that was supposed to be great. San Fran has seen what Chase Young really is, so much that they might bench/de-activate him for the Super Bowl. Easy enough to keep Beinemy at OC and bring Macdonald down I-95.
 
Well I was big on Slowik so bummer by that.

If a Defensive coach is what we get, so be it. It was the worst part of our team for the past two years despite having a DL that was supposed to be great. San Fran has seen what Chase Young really is, so much that they might bench/de-activate him for the Super Bowl. Easy enough to keep Beinemy at OC and bring Macdonald down I-95.
I’d probably be OK with that. The good news is that a new coach would have some time to figure things out. Hell, Campbell totally whiffed on his initial OC hire, but fortunately had Johnson on staff to promote.

The one thing is that whoever the OC is needs to make progress developing the new QB. A franchise QB (which is hopefully what they get) is the most valuable asset in football, and you don’t want to throw away 20% of its value right out of the gate
 
They don't seem to be barking up the Patriots coaching tree unless I missed something. Which might be why there's no interviews I know of with Vrabel. And since Belicheks underlings are well under .500 that kind of makes sense though Vrabel might be the best of those records.
 
McDonald to Seahawks. Really thought that'd be Quinn. Does that make DQ the last girl left on the dance floor? Maybe Glenn. Doesn't sound like they've had any contact with Vrabel or Belichick.

Again, though, I'm more worried about the OC. A lot of the good ones have already been snapped up
 
This sucks. I really thought we'd at least get McDonald. Please say no to Quinn. Hell I'd rather give EB a 1 year shot than hire Quinn to a long contract.
 
I think we should definitely NOT draft a QB, bring back Sam and give EB this last year on his contract to show us something. If we fail, then next year hopefully some of the better coaching candidates will be options for us.
In an effort to save money and get the #1 pick, Josh Harris is going to have the Washington players coach themselves next season.
That would be an improvement over Ron :lmao:
 
I think we should definitely NOT draft a QB, bring back Sam and give EB this last year on his contract to show us something. If we fail, then next year hopefully some of the better coaching candidates will be options for us.
In an effort to save money and get the #1 pick, Josh Harris is going to have the Washington players coach themselves next season.
That would be an improvement over Ron :lmao:

Josh Harris's MO is to tear a team down to the studs and rebuild from scratch. Did it with the Devils, did it with the Sixers.
 
I think we should definitely NOT draft a QB, bring back Sam and give EB this last year on his contract to show us something. If we fail, then next year hopefully some of the better coaching candidates will be options for us.
In an effort to save money and get the #1 pick, Josh Harris is going to have the Washington players coach themselves next season.
That would be an improvement over Ron :lmao:
I very strongly disagree. Sam ain't Him and he isn't even him. Takes too long to see the field and that isn't going to be fixed. He can maybe QB on a team with a top 5 pass blocking unit, but that's not this team.

We're probably not going to be in a spot where we have 2 (maybe even 3) top QB prospects available for us to pick for awhile. And if we are, it means we suffered through yet another miserable season. We haven't a steady presence at QB in this millennia, it's time we get one while we can.

I don't have a lot of faith in EB either. But, not much is left to pick from so maybe that's the best outcome at this point. I do not want anyone coming over from Dallas, I don't care if they can turn water into wine.
 
This sucks. I really thought we'd at least get McDonald. Please say no to Quinn. Hell I'd rather give EB a 1 year shot than hire Quinn to a long contract.
The one thing that would give me hope about Quinn is that he showed a lot of growth in how he managed a defense when he went to Dallas. While Gus Bradley is still doing all the same stuff he did in Seattle and Jacksonville, Quinn got really creative in Dallas. That suggests he might be able to learn from his mistakes in Atlanta and apply them in his next HC gig.

But I agree I'm not super excited about any of the potential candidates
 
I think we should definitely NOT draft a QB, bring back Sam and give EB this last year on his contract to show us something. If we fail, then next year hopefully some of the better coaching candidates will be options for us.

We'll have to disagree on this. Sam is a mid level QB on a good day. He has a lot of issues that continuously come up over his college and pro career. Mostly around processing quick enough and seeing the field. It's why he dropped in the draft. That is why EB yelled at him quite a few times this season. There were guys open but he didn't let it go.

You only draft top 3 so many times. This is our chance to pounce on a top 3 QB without having to give up picks to do it. I don't care if it's Drake, Caleb, or Jayden. They all have potential

They simply have to go QB, even if they pick the wrong one. One of these guys turns up great and you decided to trade down and get a LT that has the same potential to be good/bad ... it's a lifelong regret. Even moreso than taking Chase Young over Justin Herbert. QBs run this league. You gotta go QB.


ETA: I think WAS and CHI have similar QBs and the same situation. The QBs both have good arms and legs. But neither has yet shown the ability to make great decisions with the ball. Fields is taller and was drafted high and has a couple more years experience. That's the only difference. I can't imagine passing on Caleb, Drake or Jayden even if you later decide to stick with the incumbent. Frankly I worry that whatever Peters is thinking could easily have scared away some HC candidates because he certainly had to tell them what his plans were.
 
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I think we should definitely NOT draft a QB, bring back Sam and give EB this last year on his contract to show us something. If we fail, then next year hopefully some of the better coaching candidates will be options for us.
In an effort to save money and get the #1 pick, Josh Harris is going to have the Washington players coach themselves next season.
That would be an improvement over Ron :lmao:
Now let's be fair to Ron. His winning percentage here was almost as good as Zorn and Gruden.
 
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Dan Quinn was typically viewed as second, maybe third most attractive HC candidate this cycle (depending on whether eyeing Harbaugh). The playoff loss was a perception setback. No doubt. But the reasons for liking him remain. Sources here in Mobile are quick to push back on any negative Quinn talk because of the loss.
 
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The NFLPA survey list of top 5 defensive coordinators (in order):
Aaron Glenn, Steve Wilks, Dan Quinn, Brian Flores and Raheem Morris.
OCs:
Frank Smith, Thomas Brown, Brian Schottenheimer, Brian Callahan, Kellen Moore.

Players voted anonymously. Don't know overall votes.
 
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The NFLPA survey list of top 5 defensive coordinators (in order):
Aaron Glenn, Steve Wilks, Dan Quinn, Brian Flores and Raheem Morris.
OCs:
Frank Smith, Thomas Brown, Brian Schottenheimer, Brian Callahan, Kellen Moore.

Players voted anonymously. Don't know overall votes.

Don't go in the Eagles thread. There are multiple posters from the Cowboys and G-King (I think he's a Seattle guy) who are saying Kellen Moore is terrible.
 
Tell you who has to be nervous right now ... Bienemy. He's unlikely to get the HC job or he'd already have it. Quinn and Weaver could easily get this job and cast EB aside. My guess is they'd keep him, but EB is potentially without a job though he's owed 1 year on his contract. A lot players regressed in 2024. Dotson, McLaurin, Gibson, Turner. And Howell went backwards later in the season. That's not a good thing for EB
 
Tell you who has to be nervous right now ... Bienemy. He's unlikely to get the HC job or he'd already have it. Quinn and Weaver could easily get this job and cast EB aside. My guess is they'd keep him, but EB is potentially without a job though he's owed 1 year on his contract. A lot players regressed in 2024. Dotson, McLaurin, Gibson, Turner. And Howell went backwards later in the season. That's not a good thing for EB

Assuming the Quinn news is legit, I'm really at a loss re. Bienemy. Totally agree with your assessment. For a guy viewed as such a good get in last year's off-season, I really didn't see much (anything) this year to justify it. It feels like performance bias where he looked great because he had Mahomes and co. and not so much because of his added value.

I was really hoping for an offensive-minded head coach to bump EB out...but that doesn't appear to be happening. So what now? For me, it's honestly not enough change to simply march EB out as OC again given last year. I feel like you will just get more of the same...BUT...who's out there that could do better? Personally, I'd prefer to see us move on completely. Fresh start. It's hard to move into a new relationship with your old girlfriend's bra still on the floor of your room...
 
Tell you who has to be nervous right now ... Bienemy. He's unlikely to get the HC job or he'd already have it. Quinn and Weaver could easily get this job and cast EB aside. My guess is they'd keep him, but EB is potentially without a job though he's owed 1 year on his contract. A lot players regressed in 2024. Dotson, McLaurin, Gibson, Turner. And Howell went backwards later in the season. That's not a good thing for EB

Assuming the Quinn news is legit, I'm really at a loss re. Bienemy. Totally agree with your assessment. For a guy viewed as such a good get in last year's off-season, I really didn't see much (anything) this year to justify it. It feels like performance bias where he looked great because he had Mahomes and co. and not so much because of his added value.

I was really hoping for an offensive-minded head coach to bump EB out...but that doesn't appear to be happening. So what now? For me, it's honestly not enough change to simply march EB out as OC again given last year. I feel like you will just get more of the same...BUT...who's out there that could do better? Personally, I'd prefer to see us move on completely. Fresh start. It's hard to move into a new relationship with your old girlfriend's bra still on the floor of your room...
Yeah. Who would you want to be OC, considering the fact its a certainty a rookie QB is coming to town?
 
Tell you who has to be nervous right now ... Bienemy. He's unlikely to get the HC job or he'd already have it. Quinn and Weaver could easily get this job and cast EB aside. My guess is they'd keep him, but EB is potentially without a job though he's owed 1 year on his contract. A lot players regressed in 2024. Dotson, McLaurin, Gibson, Turner. And Howell went backwards later in the season. That's not a good thing for EB

Assuming the Quinn news is legit, I'm really at a loss re. Bienemy. Totally agree with your assessment. For a guy viewed as such a good get in last year's off-season, I really didn't see much (anything) this year to justify it. It feels like performance bias where he looked great because he had Mahomes and co. and not so much because of his added value.

I was really hoping for an offensive-minded head coach to bump EB out...but that doesn't appear to be happening. So what now? For me, it's honestly not enough change to simply march EB out as OC again given last year. I feel like you will just get more of the same...BUT...who's out there that could do better? Personally, I'd prefer to see us move on completely. Fresh start. It's hard to move into a new relationship with your old girlfriend's bra still on the floor of your room...
Yeah. Who would you want to be OC, considering the fact its a certainty a rookie QB is coming to town?
I'd be lying if I said I had a solid answer here...I don't know the deeper OC pool well enough. Given your comment re. rookie QB, which I'm aligned with as being a top priority, I wonder if there would be renewed dialogue with Pat Shurmur. They talked to him last year before Bienemy was hired, and he's got a good QB track record...but honestly, beyond that, I'm not sure...
 
Tell you who has to be nervous right now ... Bienemy. He's unlikely to get the HC job or he'd already have it. Quinn and Weaver could easily get this job and cast EB aside. My guess is they'd keep him, but EB is potentially without a job though he's owed 1 year on his contract. A lot players regressed in 2024. Dotson, McLaurin, Gibson, Turner. And Howell went backwards later in the season. That's not a good thing for EB

Assuming the Quinn news is legit, I'm really at a loss re. Bienemy. Totally agree with your assessment. For a guy viewed as such a good get in last year's off-season, I really didn't see much (anything) this year to justify it. It feels like performance bias where he looked great because he had Mahomes and co. and not so much because of his added value.

I was really hoping for an offensive-minded head coach to bump EB out...but that doesn't appear to be happening. So what now? For me, it's honestly not enough change to simply march EB out as OC again given last year. I feel like you will just get more of the same...BUT...who's out there that could do better? Personally, I'd prefer to see us move on completely. Fresh start. It's hard to move into a new relationship with your old girlfriend's bra still on the floor of your room...
Yeah. Who would you want to be OC, considering the fact its a certainty a rookie QB is coming to town?
Based on last year alone, I don't think you can entrust Bienemy with a young QB, whether Howell or the # 2 pick. Dropping Howell back 40-50 times per game even when not game script dependent did not turn out to be an effective way to develop a young QB. Particularly if we draft a QB at # 2, no way you let Bienemy ruin the poor kid. I got nothing against EB. I love his hard nosed, optimistic and winning attitude. And I wanted to give him a chance last year. But I am totally spooked based on what he did last year.

I'd prefer them take the chance on a young guy like SF QB coach Griese (Shanny tree, heh) or if you want a safe vet there are guys like Frank Reich out there if you do not blame him for the Carolina debacle...
 
My overall sense of this: a bit of a disappointing hire, without being a Zorn-level disaster.

I think the best thing would have been to get a young, offensive-minded coach. And in their defense, I think they really did intend to do that with Ben Johnson, but then Johnson threw a giant monkey wrench into the process. It felt like they didn't have a really strong Plan B, because Seattle so quickly and effectively out worked them for MacDonald. The terrible thing about waiting for Johnson, is you lose out on guys like Raheem Morris while you are waiting (side note - why the NFL needs a rule saying no coach hires til after the SB).

So, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed. I am. To be fair, Quinn is definitely a qualified head coach. He's got a great reputation as a defensive coordinator and also as a leader who can establish a good culture. But his results have been so so as a head coach even with Kyle Wonder Kid calling the offence and he feels like a retread at best and Ron Rivera 2.0 at worse.

IF I were to put ANY positive spin on it it would be this: While Quinn is Rivera-esque, unlike Rivera he will be working under a non Snyder ownership group and with an actual GM in Peters. Additionally, he has shown the ability to assemble a coaching staff and probably has good contacts to that end.

I'm kind of in wait and see mode myself. Not stoked at all..would have preferred a go for it move like Johnson, MacDonald, or Weaver. But will hope that the draft and assistant coaches help Quinn out in his Washington tenure.
 
I think we should definitely NOT draft a QB, bring back Sam and give EB this last year on his contract to show us something. If we fail, then next year hopefully some of the better coaching candidates will be options for us.
In an effort to save money and get the #1 pick, Josh Harris is going to have the Washington players coach themselves next season.
That would be an improvement over Ron :lmao:

Josh Harris's MO is to tear a team down to the studs and rebuild from scratch. Did it with the Devils, did it with the Sixers.
That may be the kindest way to judge this coaching search? Think about it: hire a good GM to stock the fridge with good draft picks, but pick a questionable coach to ensure tanking and another high pick next year. I don't think that's what is being planned. But it may be what happens...
 
I don't think Quinn is a bad hire. He was not the top choice, but he's a very good coach. He was a half away from winning a SB, and much of that I put on Kyle Shanahan whom everyone knows I love. It's not a Zorn situation. That guy had done NOTHING. Quinn has. This defense has been horrid. Even in good years it was a bend don't break defense. Quinn's tenacity and know-how on that side of the ball cannot be understated. This defense will get better immediately. I mean if you are Allen or Payne or a DB that's been hung out to dry in the old system, you gotta be super excited. Now it is about finding an OC and QB. Quinn is certainly well enough connected to get another OC if he doesn't want EB. And the position coaches that this team has lacked for years.

The biggest decision here is still who they take at #2. Coaches can be fired on the spot. If Quinn sucks, he can be out the door tomorrow. If EB stays but sucks, they can hire a new OC next year. But you can't waste a #2 draft pick on the wrong QB or put him in the wrong system. The new OC needs to be in here with Quinn and Peters studying the QBs to ensure they take the right one.
 
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I wonder if Washington has it's eye on someone from the Chiefs or Niners staff.
This aged well.
In your defense...I do wonder if some coordinators could be taken...Brian Griese possible OC candidate and/or Wilks possible DC (though why would Wilks make a lateral move...)
I'd love to see Steve Wilks here as DC but can't think of any reason in the world he'd want the job. Wilks should still be the HC of the Panthers as far as I'm concerned, because as an interim HC there last they were 6-6 under Wilks when they had the worst roster in the league.
 
I heard some rumors about Schottenheimer as OC? Please for the love of God, no! The one thing Quinn shouldn't do is take one of those boring, uninspired retreads.

Quinn of all people should know the difference between hiring a bright young offensive mind and hiring the same ol' same old. He nearly won a SB with Shanny and descended into mediocrity with Sark and Koetter. I know a lot of the hot names aren't on the market, so dig deeper on pro and college offenses and find the diamond in the rough
 
It sounds like Quinn might look to Dallas for his DC...Whitt or Al Harris? Cool...they did a nice job there.

As for OC...keep hearing Klint Kubiak. To me, the move would be to stock the fridge with 2 offensive minds-kubiak and Griese. Just give them both a promotion of some sort. Then, if you have Kubiak as OC and he gets hired away you have his replacement.

If the reason everyone says you have to hire an offensive coach is that OCs get snatched away, well then plan for it...
 
It sounds like Quinn might look to Dallas for his DC...Whitt or Al Harris? Cool...they did a nice job there.

As for OC...keep hearing Klint Kubiak. To me, the move would be to stock the fridge with 2 offensive minds-kubiak and Griese. Just give them both a promotion of some sort. Then, if you have Kubiak as OC and he gets hired away you have his replacement.

If the reason everyone says you have to hire an offensive coach is that OCs get snatched away, well then plan for it...
Always good for coaches to bring in a bunch of talented people and also to have a succession plan. Don't know a ton about Kubiak or Griese but I'm not opposed to either. Isn't Griese currently a QB coach? Hard to imagine he'd take a lateral move away from a SB-level team.

But please, no co-OCs. I was here in Miami when Flores did that and it was a disaster. Same with the Pats last year when they had Judgtricia. Has there ever been a time where it has worked out?
 

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