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MikeApf said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/09/scot-mccloughan-it-was-a-marriage-that-didnt-work/

Either Scot is an extremely forgiving guy or he got paid to play nice through this "divorce."
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I think it's the latter. When he got canned there was talk of a settlement being worked out between his agent and the Skins. While I can see Snyder not wanting to pay him and using misconduct as the reason, I can also see Scot taking that to court and both sides ending up looking uglier. They probably settled on a halfway amount. McCloughan wants to keep working and Snyder doesn't want bad press.

 
(Thought bold parts of article below were interesting)

Scot McCloughan hints at one possible hold up in Kirk Cousins contract talks

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/scot-mccloughan-hints-one-possible-hold-kirk-cousins-contract-talks?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo&yptr=yahoo

Scot McCloughan spoke at length for the first time since his departure from the Redskins, joining 106.7 the Fan's Grant and Danny show, and in the process perhaps shed some light on the ongoing contract talks between the organization and Kirk Cousins. 

The situation with Washington and Cousins is well known: The team has placed the franchise tag on their passer for a second straight season. Long-term contract talks seem largely stalled, as team and player have not come particularly close on a multi-year value.

McCloughan explained that the team and coaches all like Cousins, and there isn't a question of talent. The odd part in his comments came when the former 'Skins GM talked about Cousins' agent, Mike McCartney.

"[Cousins is] going to make a lot of money this year and he's earned it for what he's done the last two years. It's a big business," McCloughan said (click here for full audio). "The agent's got to be understandable that they're involved in it too. It's not just us and the player, the agent has to be able to understand, well ok, 'I can make this, if you don't tender him, I can make this for the next five years for him.' It just didn't work out."

Hearing McCloughan specifically invoke the agent carries some weight. Remember during the 2016 negotiations reports showed that communication between the team and Cousins' representatives had completely broken down in spots. Earlier this year, speaking during the NFL Combine, McCartney said he was working hard to maintain a positive dialogue with the Redskins.

To be clear, an agent's job is to maximize money for their clients. NFL management doesn't always appreciate that approach, but it doesn't mean an agent is doing anything wrong. 

It's also logical to infer that the Redskins organization does not agree with the premise that the franchise tag should set the annual salary value for a long-term Cousins deal. Cousins' representatives would obviously feel the opposite. Not to suggest one side is right or wrong, but the reported offers from the 'Skins to Cousins have not approached the full franchise tag dollar figure in average annual value. 

McCloughan did not waiver, however, on his assesment of Cousins as QB. 

"I hope they do get a long-term deal done because I'm telling you he's high character, he's a good football player, he's smart, he's a good teammate, he's got leadership qualities," McCloughan said. "I've been around Brett Favres, I've been around Russell Wilsons, I've been around Matt Hasselbecks. Those are the characteristics that stand out, becuase you know he's got talent. He's got arm talent and you know he can move around and make plays with his feet."

Of the lack of a multi-year contract, McCloughan didn't take the blame, but he didn't pass it off either.

"It's too bad it didn't happen but that was an organizational thing."

Previously, McCloughan has said that teams need to be wary of overpaying at quarterback, and he didn't back off that notion either.

"The market is so high," he said. "If you're overpaying the quarterback, you're going to lose an offensive lineman, you're going to lose a defensive lineman, you're going to lose a corner."

In the end, McCloughan seemed resigned to the same belief that many Redskins fans have of their quarterback.

"He's going to be successful, here or somewhere else."

 
Rookies signed so far

Jonathan Allen, Ryan Anderson, Samaje Perine, Montae Nicholson, Jeremy Sprinkle, Chase Roullier, Robert Davis, Josh Harvey Clemons, and Joshua Holsey.

Rookies not signed so far

Fabian Moreau (expected to sign soon)

:thumbup:

 
fatness said:
Rejected trade for the 17th pick (no, Cousins not involved). Seems like they turned down a crap offer.
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Given the scenario and who was still on the board at that time, I agree that it was a crap offer.  I get the sense that Lynch and Shanahan really do think they are "the smartest guys in the room" and I can just see them giggling and laughing about how they would fleece the Redskins.  I'm (not so) secretly hoping that Mitch Trubiski turns out to be a stud QB this year so I can stop hearing about how brilliant John Lynch was at the draft.  Sorry, "rant off" now...

 
fatness said:
Jammin'
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Yeah,don't let him around Trent Williams (wink, wink)

I'm pulling for the guy.  Remember also that Rohan Marley was a standout football player for the University of Miami, though I don't think he made it in the NFL.  And apparently Bob played "the other football" pretty well.  Athletic family...

ETA:  Just read whole article..didn't know that Rohan was Nico's dad...cool...

 
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Matt Jones is not at OTA's. Reports I've read/heard differ on whether he wasn't invited or he chose not to go. Not that it makes any difference, rally. He's not in their plans; when they tried to trade him during the draft there were no takers.

 
Running back Matt Jones remained a no-show as the Redskins kicked off their second week of voluntary offseason practices. The third-year pro isn’t expected to attend any of the remaining five voluntary sessions (two more this week, and three next week).

A person familiar with Jones’s situation said the third-year pro has opted against reporting to Redskins Park because members of the coaching staff told him he’s no longer a part of the team’s plans following the ascension of Rob Kelley and the drafting of Samaje Perine.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/05/30/former-starting-rb-matt-jones-absent-from-redskins-park-awaiting-trade-or-release/?utm_term=.f1f6d26fdd98

Good thing we dropped Alfred Morris to keep this guy. :wall:

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
What an idiot. Instead of working hard and improving himself to prove them wrong, he's opted to go the opposite route. 

Stupid millennials  whatever generation he is. 
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If Fournette and McCaffrey can skip bowl games to "prepare for the draft" (avoid injury) then so can a guy that's already been told by a team he's not in their plans.  I'd probably want to get released ASAP and get an early chance to get to my next team and have as much time to impress them as possible.  If Jones twists or tweaks or tears something WAS will cut him and he's toast.

 
I hear Gruden told Jones he's 5th on the depth chart. I really don't get that. There must be something else going on. I get that he had some crucial fumbles and that he's nothing super special, but I find it hard to believe he's the 5th best RB on the roster. He has good size, probably the fastest of the five, still young (only Perine is younger), can catch the ball, and has shown flashes or production at the NFL level.

 
dgreen said:
I hear Gruden told Jones he's 5th on the depth chart. I really don't get that. There must be something else going on. I get that he had some crucial fumbles and that he's nothing super special, but I find it hard to believe he's the 5th best RB on the roster. He has good size, probably the fastest of the five, still young (only Perine is younger), can catch the ball, and has shown flashes or production at the NFL level.
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5th sounds about right. Maybe 4th, depending on what you think of Mack Brown.

Kelly, Perine, Thompson, Brown, Jones

Jones has size but doesn't use it to batter people. He has speed but hits the line slowly, and if he's touched at all before getting past the line he resets and starts all over. The guy doesn't use what he has. And he drops the damn ball too much.

 
Lots to un-pack here. 

Kirk Cousins contract talks with Redskins taking encouraging tone

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/kirk-cousins-contract-talks-redskins-taking-encouraging-tone/story?id=47884760

By ADAM SCHEFTER via ESPN

Jun 7, 2017, 7:35 AM ET

While it doesn't mean there will be a long-term deal by the July 15 deadline, there has been an improved, encouraging tone in the contract talks between the Washington Redskins and quarterback Kirk Cousins, league sources told ESPN.

One reason for the positive outlook is that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder has gotten involved, making it known how much Washington wants to re-sign Cousins.  

At last month's owners meetings in Chicago, Redskins president Bruce Allen and Cousins' agent Mike McCartney had their first face-to-face meeting in the two years that Washington has used the franchise tag on the starting quarterback, sources said. It was the first of two face-to-face meetings between the two sides, as they continue to negotiate a long-term deal.

Now there is a belief that even if a deal doesn't get completed before the NFL deadline for franchise players next month -- and it still will be challenging, even with the thawing between the two sides -- that one could be struck after next season, keeping Cousins in Washington long term. 

"There's no doubt it's been more positive lately," said one source familiar with the talks who requested anonymity. "Everything has been much more positive in the past several months."

It is why there is more hope that something could get done. Last offseason, the two sides never came close to a deal. This offseason, the Redskins appear more open to recognizing Cousins' value, especially when he is scheduled to play the 2017 season on a franchise tag worth about $24 million.

Playing on back-to-back franchise tags gives Cousins leverage in talks for a long-term deal, but the Redskins are talking and open to getting a deal done. The tone has changed, and now both sides will see if the result does too.

Several things:

-- I feel torn.  I'm really happy they are trying to sign him now but it feels so wrong to be happy about Snyder getting involved in personnel decisions.  Wasn't the narrative that Snyder was the hold up in negotiations, since he was butt hurt over RGIII?  What does this all mean -- has Snyder admitted that he was wrong?  Was Brucie the hold up and not Snyder?  McClellen?

-- This business that if they don't sign him by July 15, they could do the deal in season is nonsense.  Honestly, negotiating the contract could be done in several days if the will was there.  The only reason people take months, etc. is they are waiting the other party out, etc.  But logistically, if you really think about what is involved, they really could do it in days.  Apart from that,  I think if they don't lock Cousins up by July 15, then he has even more incentive to play out the year and test the market.  The team has already "gambled and lost" once on a "prove it" approach...if they want him they just need to pony up. 

-- I know we've debated this, and there is room for honest people to disagree about the value and abilities of Kirk Cousins. I understand both parts of the argument, about the need for a QB and also the need for $$ for supporting pieces.  But, at this point, if the team says now that he's not worth the money, then that's just moronic.  You knew what he was asking for.  If you weren't going to pay it, then you should have traded him at the draft and gotten something, anything, for him -- even a first and a third.  So it's too late to credibly make the "he's not worth the money" argument.  Because it would have been better to use that $24 million now building the support system for the next guy coming in.

It will be interesting to see what happens. 

 
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fatness said:
5th sounds about right. Maybe 4th, depending on what you think of Mack Brown.

Kelly, Perine, Thompson, Brown, Jones

Jones has size but doesn't use it to batter people. He has speed but hits the line slowly, and if he's touched at all before getting past the line he resets and starts all over. The guy doesn't use what he has. And he drops the damn ball too much.
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I'm in wait and see mode regarding our running game.  I actually like the various pieces we have but a lot depends on how Perine fleshes out. 

Kelly is really good for his ability to keep moving forward, falling forward, and not fumbling.  When he has a big hole he can rumble down the field but I still wish we had that guy with breakaway speed.  Someone that if they got that hole they could take it to the house.  A "playmaker."

I really like Thompson as a third down back and in that role couldn't ask more, because he can block ok, catch and run in space, and also does well on that third down delayed handoff stuff. In his role is good.

Re: Perine, I want to see if he's gonna be Kelly Part II or if he's going to add something new to the mix.  From what I heard, he's kind of a bruiser like Kelly. 

Mack Brown may be the X Factor because he has that breakaway ability.

Jones is a no brainer to be cut to me because he is a fumbler, which is Football Death.

It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

 
Greg Manusky says Josh Norman will shadow No. 1 receivers

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/06/05/greg-manusky-says-josh-norman-will-shadow-no-1-receivers/

I may be in the minority here, but I hate this whole narrative that somehow Josh Norman has to constantly shadow the opponent's number one receivers or "he's a fraud" or "the Redskins are stupid."  I think this whole cookie cutter/media/internet knows how to call defense is hooey.  I feel like the Defensive Coordinators need to just call each game plan in the manner they think will give us the best chance to stop the other team.  How about that?  If that means Norman is shadowing, fine.  If it means he's playing a side, fine.  IT'S WORKED BOTH WAYS IN THE NFL!  It depends on your personnel, scheme, game situation, etc.  Saying Norman is gonna always shadow the # 1 at this point just smacks to me of "playing defense in the media" or worse yet in response to criticism media made last year.  I'd like to think my DC has more football accumen than a reporter though.  To be fair, Manusky seems to indicate that guys do it all sorts of ways in the NFL...I wish he would have just responded, "you'll find out what he's going to do when the game is on." and left it at that.

 
Sheehan has spent 2 out of 3 days this week trashing Trent Williams for not being at the voluntary team activities, which Williams never is at. Williams always comes in, plays hurt, is respected by players as a leader, and is the Redskins best player.

When the list of the top 100 players in the NFL came out and Williams was ranked (naturally) higher than Cousins, you could see this criticism coming. Sheehan isn't a Redskin fan any more, he's a Cousins fan.

 
fatness said:
Sheehan has spent 2 out of 3 days this week trashing Trent Williams for not being at the voluntary team activities, which Williams never is at. Williams always comes in, plays hurt, is respected by players as a leader, and is the Redskins best player.

When the list of the top 100 players in the NFL came out and Williams was ranked (naturally) higher than Cousins, you could see this criticism coming. Sheehan isn't a Redskin fan any more, he's a Cousins fan.
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I've totally stopped listening to 980. Sheehan and Cooley are the worst.

 
fatness said:
I can't get any other DC sports stations in my car way out here, so I listen until I can't take it.
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To be honest, I very rarely listen to sports radio any more -- either 980 or 106.7.  Some of the guys are total butt kissers but others are just haters as well.  It seems like everyone has to take an "extreme" position nowadays to get a reaction.  That's what is considered "marketable shows."

Come to think of it, that's true of political commentary on radio and TV as well.  I generally find myself consuming less "opinion media" as opposed to "straight news"...if such a thing even exists...

 
Can't even remember the last time I tuned in to DC sports radio. Are there any good shows/people to listen to anymore? Last few times I tried, I ended up tuning out pretty quick. The shows were pretty bad but it was the tidal wave of annoying, repetitive commercials that made it unbearable. Come training camp time, check out 950 am in Richmond. Pretty much just straight news, interviews, etc. 

 
MattFancy said:
Glad to see there may be some progress being made with Cousins. Is it too little, too late though?
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Likely, the way I see it.  The Redskins would have to blow him away with a deal right now for him to take it.  I mean, why would he otherwise when he could roll into next year and have all these teams in a bidding war for him?

I'm thinking the Redskins are doing it now as a sign of good faith - so that hopefully Kirk doesn't automatically reject any offer made by them after the season. 

 
crusty crab said:
Can't even remember the last time I tuned in to DC sports radio. Are there any good shows/people to listen to anymore? Last few times I tried, I ended up tuning out pretty quick. The shows were pretty bad but it was the tidal wave of annoying, repetitive commercials that made it unbearable. Come training camp time, check out 950 am in Richmond. Pretty much just straight news, interviews, etc. 
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The only local show I listen to is The Junkies. Mainly because they don't take themselves too seriously. EB and JP can be annoying at time for sure, but they don't try and suck up to the local teams like the rest of them do.

matttyl said:
Likely, the way I see it.  The Redskins would have to blow him away with a deal right now for him to take it.  I mean, why would he otherwise when he could roll into next year and have all these teams in a bidding war for him?

I'm thinking the Redskins are doing it now as a sign of good faith - so that hopefully Kirk doesn't automatically reject any offer made by them after the season. 
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Only reason I think Kirk would take a deal now would be to just guarantee himself a long-term deal. But if the Skins give him the money he wants, he would be crazy to say no.

 
MattFancy said:
Only reason I think Kirk would take a deal now would be to just guarantee himself a long-term deal. But if the Skins give him the money he wants, he would be crazy to say no.
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I think any deal offered next year (from another team) will be more than anything the Redskins will offer now, though.  Plus he already had $24m guaranteed this year.  Only risk he's really taking is that of a "long term injury", and I can't remember when that last happened to a big name QB.  Brady tore an ACL and came back fine to win Super Bowls. 

 
matttyl said:
I think any deal offered next year (from another team) will be more than anything the Redskins will offer now, though.  Plus he already had $24m guaranteed this year.  Only risk he's really taking is that of a "long term injury", and I can't remember when that last happened to a big name QB.  Brady tore an ACL and came back fine to win Super Bowls. 
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True. But if he suffers from poor play this year after McVay left, that could hurt him because teams may think that it was McVay/Gruden that helped make him and he's just a system guy. Just playing Devil's Advocate there.

 
MattFancy said:
True. But if he suffers from poor play this year after McVay left, that could hurt him because teams may think that it was McVay/Gruden that helped make him and he's just a system guy. Just playing Devil's Advocate there.
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True.  As a skins fan, I'm just hoping that doesn't happen, which is why I didn't bring it up.  Honestly, I can't see it happening.  Maybe he won't have career numbers, but he'll still put up a solid season.  Plus he already has the built in excuse of losing his top two WRs.

 
Nice seeing some tweets rolling in, even if just from OTAs. This is encouraging.

@MikeJonesWaPo---Josh Doctson with a leaping catch over Kendall Fuller. Grabbed w one hand and tucked it in

Seen a few saying he looks good running, cutting, etc.

 
How do the Redskins Faithful see target distribution this year with a crowded WR stable that arguably has many break-out candidates?

Between Pryor, Doctson, Reed, Crowder, and Quick, who do you see emerging? Who do you think makes for more intriguing fantasy and NFL success? Or do you think the presence of all these options naturally limits the ability for any one of these WRs to be a dependable fantasy option?

 
MattFancy said:
The only local show I listen to is The Junkies. Mainly because they don't take themselves too seriously. EB and JP can be annoying at time for sure, but they don't try and suck up to the local teams like the rest of them do.

Only reason I think Kirk would take a deal now would be to just guarantee himself a long-term deal. But if the Skins give him the money he wants, he would be crazy to say no.
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Yes, and yes.

Junkies are ok in my book!

And yeah, I think folks are kind of sleeping on the importance of long term security for pro football players.  This is a game where one hit can end your whole career.  Or one bad season can sink your leverage.  If they offer 24 the deal is sealed IMO.  I don't buy it that he just turns it down flat and goes off and writes a love letter to Kyle Shanahan.  That's a media fantasy IMO.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
How do the Redskins Faithful see target distribution this year with a crowded WR stable that arguably has many break-out candidates?

Between Pryor, Doctson, Reed, Crowder, and Quick, who do you see emerging? Who do you think makes for more intriguing fantasy and NFL success? Or do you think the presence of all these options naturally limits the ability for any one of these WRs to be a dependable fantasy option?
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If we're being honest, how many fantasy WRs are "dependable" each year?  Maybe 10-15, if that?  I think Pryor will be a pretty good low end #2 type with potential for more, and Doctson and Crowder will both be decent #3 type options, especially in larger leagues.  Reed, obviously, is a strong #1 TE when healthy. 

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
How do the Redskins Faithful see target distribution this year with a crowded WR stable that arguably has many break-out candidates?

Between Pryor, Doctson, Reed, Crowder, and Quick, who do you see emerging? Who do you think makes for more intriguing fantasy and NFL success? Or do you think the presence of all these options naturally limits the ability for any one of these WRs to be a dependable fantasy option?
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My personal option is that Pryor is going to be a stud.  Just a feeling.  I don't doubt that Reed and Crowder will still be solid but not sure their numbers will climb from last year necessarily.  They are still in the same basic roles.

Meanwhile, I see Pryor taking a step up from last year.  It sounds wierd saying this because he's come to the Redskins but he's now in a more stable offense, with a better QB throwing to him and a better overall supporting cast.  And, with Jackson and Garcon gone, he's going to be the # 1 WR target, because Crowder will still be in the slot.  Add to that he's still growing in the position AND that he's in a proove it contract year for monster $ in 2018...he's going to come out motivated and ready to ball.  If I was still playing FFL, he'd be a sleeper WR in my book.  Not a guy to take super early but maybe in that second tier of guys after the obvious studs are gone...

 
fatness said:
Sheehan has spent 2 out of 3 days this week trashing Trent Williams for not being at the voluntary team activities, which Williams never is at. Williams always comes in, plays hurt, is respected by players as a leader, and is the Redskins best player.

When the list of the top 100 players in the NFL came out and Williams was ranked (naturally) higher than Cousins, you could see this criticism coming. Sheehan isn't a Redskin fan any more, he's a Cousins fan.
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Williams is also a fat mess and while he plays hurt, he does get hurt a lot. 

You honestly dont think Williams can and should be in better shape? 

Spoiler tags to keep it on topic:

Since I'm a boys fan and I don't want to come in ya'lls thread to start #### I'll share that- that was always (one of) my issue(s) with Romo. He was a quick and agile playmaker who was always sloppy. Maybe if he hit the gym a little harder he wouldn't have gotten dragged down in Seattle or always gotten hurt.)

 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Williams is also a fat mess and while he plays hurt, he does get hurt a lot. 

You honestly dont think Williams can and should be in better shape? 

Spoiler tags to keep it on topic:

Since I'm a boys fan and I don't want to come in ya'lls thread to start #### I'll share that- that was always (one of) my issue(s) with Romo. He was a quick and agile playmaker who was always sloppy. Maybe if he hit the gym a little harder he wouldn't have gotten dragged down in Seattle or always gotten hurt.)
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He is? There aren't a ton of LT's with better bodies than Trent imo, he carries his weight just fine. Not many LT's are Jake Matthews types (who basically looks like a giant TE, no gut, etc.) Its not like he's not working out, he works out in Oklahoma this time of year and always has. He's never had a weight issue or had a coaching staff question his fitness that I can remember. The dude is a freak, obviously it would be ideal if he toned up a bit but a lot of NFL OL can only keep on the weight they have by eating a #### ton and allowing a lot of their weight to be fat. You see these guys a year or two after they retire? They look like LB's all of a sudden and lose 60+ pounds. Its incredible what these guys have to do, even as elite athletes, to stay at 300+ lbs sometimes. And Trent Williams is without a doubt a top-5 athlete at OT in the NFL.

 
MikeApf said:
To be honest, I very rarely listen to sports radio any more -- either 980 or 106.7.  Some of the guys are total butt kissers but others are just haters as well.  It seems like everyone has to take an "extreme" position nowadays to get a reaction.  That's what is considered "marketable shows."

Come to think of it, that's true of political commentary on radio and TV as well.  I generally find myself consuming less "opinion media" as opposed to "straight news"...if such a thing even exists...
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I would much rather listen to beat reporters like John Keim or Rich Tandler or even Mike Jones, who actally follow and know what's going on with the team, at all positions. If those guys were on all day I'd listen all day. They'd get terrible ratings though because they're not into glib talking about stars only.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
How do the Redskins Faithful see target distribution this year with a crowded WR stable that arguably has many break-out candidates?

Between Pryor, Doctson, Reed, Crowder, and Quick, who do you see emerging? Who do you think makes for more intriguing fantasy and NFL success? Or do you think the presence of all these options naturally limits the ability for any one of these WRs to be a dependable fantasy option?
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If Crowder plays in the slot again and there are 2 WR's who demand coverage (like Jackson and Garcon did), I think Crowder will have a very good year, better than last year. I think Reed will have a good year if not hurt, but other teams game plan for him more now. The guy I think may do the best is Pryor. He's a former QB, understands what's going on on the whole field and not just what route he has to run, he's physically gifted, and he's a very hard worker. I think he's the most likely to become a star player. However, if they don't have a quality WR2 he'll get doubled more, Crowder will draw more coverage, and their performances will suffer. So much depends on having a quality WR2. I don't know if it'll be Doctson, Quick, or Geez Not That Guy Again. Doctson seems to have the ability, but every time I sneeze I look to see if he's around and if I hurt him.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Williams is also a fat mess and while he plays hurt, he does get hurt a lot. 

You honestly dont think Williams can and should be in better shape? 

Spoiler tags to keep it on topic:

Since I'm a boys fan and I don't want to come in ya'lls thread to start #### I'll share that- that was always (one of) my issue(s) with Romo. He was a quick and agile playmaker who was always sloppy. Maybe if he hit the gym a little harder he wouldn't have gotten dragged down in Seattle or always gotten hurt.)
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Williams is usually in very good shape. When training camp starts each year he's in better shape than most other players. Plus he's like one of the best OT's in the league. I think your assessment of him is off.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
He is? There aren't a ton of LT's with better bodies than Trent imo, he carries his weight just fine. Not many LT's are Jake Matthews types (who basically looks like a giant TE, no gut, etc.) Its not like he's not working out, he works out in Oklahoma this time of year and always has. He's never had a weight issue or had a coaching staff question his fitness that I can remember. The dude is a freak, obviously it would be ideal if he toned up a bit but a lot of NFL OL can only keep on the weight they have by eating a #### ton and allowing a lot of their weight to be fat. You see these guys a year or two after they retire? They look like LB's all of a sudden and lose 60+ pounds. Its incredible what these guys have to do, even as elite athletes, to stay at 300+ lbs sometimes. And Trent Williams is without a doubt a top-5 athlete at OT in the NFL.
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Williams is the only OT I've ever seen keep running and block 3 different guys on the same running play. Big, strong, fast, mean.

 
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